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Brian Sanders (Food Lies, Peak Human Podcast) Returns to Talk Keto, Vegan, Whole Foods & More!
Brian Sanders discussed updates on his "Food Lies" film, which is being pitched to Netflix. He shared his dietary journey, emphasizing the benefits of unfortified rice and bone broth. Sanders highlighted the issues with processed foods, including oxalates in spinach and kale, and the importance of whole foods. He advocated for a diet rich in animal foods and fermented vegetables, noting their positive impact on gut health and overall well-being. Sanders also mentioned his use of oyster supplements to boost testosterone and his personal health improvements, including not getting sick in nine years.
0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:21 - Food Lies & Pushback
0:02:20 - Keto Diet & Adding Carbs
0:07:20 - Grain Differences in Countries
0:08:40 - Eating Like Grandparents
0:09:55 - Kale, Spinach, Oxalates & AG1
0:16:35 - Bread, Fortification, Fiber & Whole Foods
0:22:28 - Colon Cancer, Meat & Toxins
0:26:55 - The System, Hierarchy, Covid & Conspiracy
0:32:54 - Truth in Nature
0:36:05 - Brian's Meals, Meat & Protein
0:39:45 - Response to Bryant Johnson & Tracking
0:41:35 - Vitamin D, the Sun, Hormones & Protein
0:43:45 - Avoiding Sickness & Covid
0:47:10 - Fermented Foods & Gut Health
0:50:34 - Artificial Testosterone & Oyster Supplement
0:54:40 - Cancer & Soy
0:57:30 - Trying Diets & Nutrient Calories
1:01:30 - Promotions & Messaging
1:03:33 - Outro
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Chuck Shute:First of all, welcome Brian Sanders, food lies, peak human podcast, nose to tail products, great stuff that you're doing. Any updates with the food lies, film being released to the public?
Brian Sanders:Yeah, we got a production company now, so it's been a long journey, and now we have support from the professionals, two of them were fighting over us, so it's good to be there, and this position finally,
Chuck Shute:so it will be released. Do we know? Can you say which platform or when?
Brian Sanders:No, no idea, still. Yeah, we're putting together the pieces still, and we're pitching to Netflix soon. They think that Netflix would buy it really.
Chuck Shute:Now, do you think there's going to be pushback from some of these like sponsors, or some of these companies that maybe don't want some of these things exposed, such as the big food companies?
Brian Sanders:Possibly, I've heard that. I mean, I have personal friends that have gotten ex invited uninvited from TV shows and news programs because their message was against the advertisers, right? So it's like they were gonna go on and talk about how bad cereal is, and then the cereal companies pay the bills, right? So Netflix doesn't really have the bills paid by big food, so I think we're okay, right? It's, it's paid for by users and and people want to see this content. And I think there's enough people out there with this message, I mean, all kinds of controversial messages, so I'm not that worried.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, was, I think I heard you talking about, was it Maria Emerick? Emerick, yeah, keto influencer. She was supposed to become on this TV show, and then the sponsor said, No, we don't want that person. So she got uninvited. That's yeah, yeah, yeah, no. And you are doing you started out as low carb, kind of keto. But I noticed that you've, you've, I think you even mentioned this, that you've had added some carbs back in. And I thought it was cool. You shared some of your, you know, one of your basic days and what you're eating, and one of the things that you're eating now is a, not, what is it called non fortified rice with bone broth,
Brian Sanders:yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, unfortified rice, and you try to get the best organic source of rice, but they add in these fake vitamins and minerals that you don't really want. It's just not in the right form. And I so I get that kind of rice, and then I cook it in bone broth, so there's more nutrients, and it's just sort of a clean source of carbs, if you want them. Yeah. So I I've been on an almost 1112, year journey, and I started out by cutting out carbs, and I lost a lot of weight and felt better, and it was amazing. And then I got into this low carb world and understood keto and all this stuff. But I then realized that's not the only way to do it, and maybe it's not optimal for everyone. There's all kinds of different situations, right? And some people want to do different sports, and others and you can I actually did a Pentathlon these five events, and I didn't even eat that day. And I was doing it without, you know, all the gels and the, you know, people are, like, carving up and every hour. And I just did it fasted, which was crazy. People didn't even understand it. So I was very fat, adapted. I could do, you know, full on track and field events. This was in Toronto. This is for the championships, for the Masters, the older guy division, but the it was fine, right? And I could play all the sports. But then I just thought, well, what if I try adding back in the carbs? And I realized that the processing was a problem, not necessarily the carbs, so I thought that I was going to gain weight if I started eating carbs again, right? Because that's how I lost the weight. And this is a lot of people's understanding is that, oh, carbs are bad, and I'm going to avoid them, and then I lose weight. And that's not exactly true. I mean, it's a very good path, and they will help people shake up their habits. Stop eating processed foods, you know, get rid of their sweet tooth, get metabolically flexible, be able to burn fat, you know, letting your body run on fat. But maybe that's not the end all be all. So I added the whole food carbs back in, and I didn't gain weight, and I slept better. And. And I had, you know, just different improvements in my life and and so I've been doing this for almost five years.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, wow. So that's good to know that, because that would be one thing that for me, if I was going to add back carbs, oh, if I, if I was doing full keto, and then went to because I know that if you start keto, you're gonna lose weight, but then the fear would be. But then if you gain carbs back, or if you add carbs back, you're going to gain the weight. And you didn't. You're saying,
Brian Sanders:Yeah, I did not. And it's, it's a bit hard. You have to maybe in the transition period, your body's like, oh, wait a second, right? You're giving me carbs again. So there's definitely going to be a little transition. But the main message is, it's not the carbs. I mean, we've been eating carbs forever, right? There's, I mean, depends on how backing far back you go, but even if you go far back enough, we were eating carbs, like, if you, you know, believe in evolution and all that, that the ape, the primates, were eating mostly carbs, right? That that was their food source. And then we transitioned to humans, and our digestive systems changed. And then we were maybe mostly carnivore for a while. And there was, you know, a million years where we were just eating mostly meat. But then, you know, there's a long story there. But our our digestive systems are very set up, and our bodies are set up to deal with carbs and fat and anything in between, any ratio, right, depending on the season and so, yeah, the real problem is process. Is the modern processing. That's, that's what's, that's the same thing with fat. I mean, I don't eat the seed oils. I don't eat the industrial oils. These are the modern processed versions of fat and the modern processed version of carbs, which is just sugars and flours and all that. And that's what I avoid. I still avoid those things, right? Sugar, flour oil, that's the easiest. Wouldn't think about it, refined grains, added sugar, seed oils. If you don't eat those, you can probably eat any sort of diet and be okay, right? It's not the carbs that are the bad part. It was that most people are eating processed carbs, right?
Chuck Shute:Yeah, no, that's, that's definitely but even, I think we talked a little bit about this last time, about how even with some of the good foods, right? Like, like, plant foods or or grains, or whatever it's like, the soil, and then the pesticides and things are spraying on it. And how, I think some of the stuff has been genetically modified, which scares me so, like, our seeds, like, are not the same as in Europe. Like, that's why people can eat bread in Europe, but not here. Even if you have the cleanest bread you could get in America that didn't have all the additives and stuff, it's not the same, right? It's genetically engineered differently,
Brian Sanders:yeah? And that's like a puzzle that no one can really pin down, and I think it is the this the type and they have, like, the heritage breeds of grains, or that they're not covered in glyphosate here, there's, there's so many ideas of of why that is. Some people even say it's just because you go to Europe and you're, you're walking more, you know, you're more active. And there's all kinds of things. But I think people who are, you know, gluten sensitive, are better off in Europe. So it's not just, you know, calories and walking and stuff like that. So, yeah, it's hard. That's why I try to find, like, the cleanest source of cars or or, like potatoes. I mean, these is just kind of like an old school food. I kind of think of things like my what my grandparents ate, because you can also just look back to when people were healthy, healthier. My grandparents
Chuck Shute:lived in my to their 90s, exactly. And my grandma smoked for a lot of her years too.
Brian Sanders:Yeah. So she had such good inputs from her diet, environment and lifestyle that she could handle smoking, right? So that was, like, the one big bad thing that she was doing. And the body's amazing, right? It can, it can detoxify, and it regenerates and does all these things. So you can handle one of those stressors, like smoking. But, yeah, in our modern day, we have hundreds and hundreds of stressors, 1000s, really, just microplastics, you know, like their environment, the sedentary lifestyle, to the bad food, to everything. It's endless, so you can't really afford anymore. So, but yes, we were healthier just last two generations ago, and they were eating carbs, right? They were eating whatever. They didn't count calories. They didn't do all these things. They were just eating meat and potatoes and whatever. You know, I didn't call them, like, old school vegetables, like, they weren't eating mountains of kale and stuff like that, right? This is, like, this new concept of, like, getting, like, millions of leaves in our diet every. Every day of the year, and I got caught up in that. And I was doing these kale shakes with spinach and almond milk, and I had oxalate problems. Yeah, it was terrible. It like ruined my skin and probably ruined my gut. Is really by the root cause of why my face was all red and messed up, and I have kidney problems from that
Chuck Shute:interesting Carol, can give you kidney issues.
Brian Sanders:Oh, yeah. Oh, spinach is the worst one. Spinach is just tons and tons of oxalates. You can look it up. This is not like some fringe thing. It's just like common knowledge. How many you know, how many oxalates are in a serving of spinach, and it's off the charts, and kidney stones are made of calcium oxalate. So a lot of vegans get kidney stones because they're just eating oxalates all the time. And these are these sharp crystals that plant protect themselves with. So, you know, pests don't eat them. And so we never ate, well, spinach and kale are sort of newer vegetables. People also don't realize that a couple 100 years ago, we didn't have all the vegetables we have today. A lot of these are modern cross breeds and different things that we've done, like broccolini or whatever.
Chuck Shute:What's that broccolini? Isn't I heard you talking about
Brian Sanders:exactly, or even broccoli in general, like there's tons of that, these cruciferous vegetables that just came from the wild mustard plant. And so way back when they all we had was this stringy little leaves wild mustard. And then we turned that into broccoli and Brussels sprouts and kohlrabi and cauliflower, all these things just came from that. So, I mean, I'm not against those foods.
Chuck Shute:Don't they have some benefits too. Don't you need some cruciferous vegetables for certain things?
Brian Sanders:I mean, you don't need any food really. I mean, I think you need meat, but you don't need any like cruciferous vegetables specifically, they have a lot of, probably things that are helpful, and they have antioxidants, and they have folate, and they have some vitamins, for sure, but I mean, you can get those elsewhere on you know? I mean, it's not like you have to eat cruciferous vegetables. You can find those vitamins and minerals and antioxidants and other foods. But yes, they are good sources of those, and if you're eating them, my main point was that you for all of history. We ate them when they were available in the right amounts, and then I was doing something very unnatural, which is blending them into a smoothie every day of the year. So it's no wonder I had problems, right?
Chuck Shute:It's too much, is what you're saying, yeah.
Brian Sanders:But I mean, I'm not, I'm not scared of any food of, like, broccoli, like, I'll eat broccoli. I really do try to not eat spinach anymore, though, right? It's just, there's just too many oxalates in spinach, and I specifically have a prong. But again, if there's, like, Yeah, I'm at someone's wedding and they have the spinach salad to start off, I'll, you know, eat some spinach. I don't really mind.
Chuck Shute:How does it? So, how did you know you said your skin changed because you were having to what else you said? How did you have a kidney issue? Is that just because of the skin, or was there other signs? Yeah, well,
Brian Sanders:it took me a long time to figure it out, and then I had to learn about oxalates. There's a whole book about it. If people want to know more about this, I interviewed Sally Norton, so she's a scientist that wrote a book on this and has been studying for many years. So huge rabbit hole I had, well, I just noticed that it was just getting worse and worse, and I was eating healthy. I was cleaning up my diet, so I thought I was doing well, and that this finishing Kale was helping me, but then that my skin and my face got worse and worse. It was just like, it was like, almost like a rash, like red irritated skin, like, not like acne, it's just like a terrible, like, irritated, flaky redness. And then I finally, and then I stopped, and then it went away, and it slowly, and then I'd have the flare ups. But then I really understood what was going on when I cut out oxalates for probably two years. Then, you know those, AG, one, or, like, green shake green, yeah, oh yeah. Brogan always advertises those, yeah. I think they're terrible. I think it's just a bag of oxalates. It's just a bag of concentrated oxalates. And I figured this out. Well, no one knows this because it's kind of hard to figure out. With food. There's so many things people just eat, so many things, you never know what the problem is, right? And you could, you could take this stuff forever, and you never know. But I was in a specific situation to figure this out. So I got off the oxalates for two years, right? I stopped the Kalen spinach like probably four years before that, right then? So I didn't have those then for two years, I was still eating spinach and stuff. Then I then, for two years, I was eating none of that, right? So my body was primed and ready with, you know, not getting oxalates. I took someone, some company, sent me the shake. I was like, I'll try this. You know, I haven't had a lot of grea. Means, in a while, I woke up in the middle of the night and, like, past kidney stones, it was kind of like it was so painful. It was terrible. It's like small, sort of, it wasn't like actual stones and but it was like white and like cloudy. And then you can look this up. This is just, it's just oxalates. It's just like a well known thing, and it just hurts, and it was terrible. And so I never drank one of those things.
Chuck Shute:Again. You know what I've noticed, too. This is interesting. And again, I mean, maybe everyone has a different experience with these products, but I had, I think I had one. It was similar. It was like, I think was jockos, jockos greens, or whatever. And, and I had that and, and I think you've had this issue before in the past too, is I would get really bad acid reflux from drinking those because I don't know if it's because of the so much sugar in it too, or the sweetener. I don't know what it is, but because usually I get acid reflux from like, more like junk food, I thought this was, like, healthy, so I was so confused. But I don't know what it is, but
Brian Sanders:it could also just be. I mean, it's irritating your gut lining the tons of oxalates and, yeah, that's
Chuck Shute:so funny, because I swear, AG, one, they advertise that on almost every podcast, especially health centered podcast, so that's funny to hear that. I mean, I believe you too. I think because it doesn't for me, it does. It hurts to drink those. I don't like it.
Brian Sanders:It's not good. And maybe it can be okay for some people, though. I'm not saying like, there's, there's so many nuances to this, right? It was like, if you're gluten intolerant, don't eat gluten. But that doesn't mean that some guy in Europe can eat bread. You know, it's like,
Chuck Shute:yeah, back to the bread thing. So I was gonna ask you this, did you, because I had this guy on my podcast that wrote the Dorito effect, did you read that book?
Brian Sanders:Oh, Mark Schatz was my man. Yeah, all his books. And interviewed him multiple times.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, he's so, so if people go down that rabbit hole, like, the way he was explaining, I mean, I think he talks about, in the book about how, you know, back in the day, it was like, this, was it Vitamin B deficiency? I think
Brian Sanders:it was one of the B Yeah, there's many B vitamins I am in, yeah. And then
Chuck Shute:yeah, so there's two ways to deal with it. And Europe dealt with it by adding rabbit meat with to eat with their food or whatever. And that cured it. And then America is like, oh, we'll put these B vitamins in the bread. And I mean, maybe it's a coincidence, but then I feel like the obesity epidemic kind of followed shortly after that.
Brian Sanders:Well, so did you read the end of craving his newer book? I think, yeah. More into detail if I have read that one well, so yeah, Drew effect is epic. I love that book. The end of craving is his newer book, and it talks way more about the B vitamins and the food supplementation, like you're talking about fortification. And that's actually what I was talking about earlier. I was kind of talking about that concept of the food fortification, it causes problems, and it studies in pigs, and you should just read that book, The End of craving, if you haven't or anyone
Chuck Shute:listening. Remember, I read two of his books. I don't know if that was that one. Is there another one that was about maybe it wasn't of crazy.
Brian Sanders:Was the end of craving, because fortification a lot? Yes, yeah,
Chuck Shute:maybe that's but I think I've learned that from his book and from a lot of your work as well that um, and you talk about this with fiber, because people always say, like, Oh, you got to have more fiber. And if you eat more fiber, you're healthier. But you're taught you explain how that, a lot of it is because if you eat, if you're eating more fiber, that usually means you're eating the whole food, and that's what we need. We need all of it, all the food, all the when they what they do is they, when they process it, they split all this stuff up and they, you're getting bits and pieces, and a lot of it, you're getting the worst piece of the food, the cheapest part, that's easy to produce, right? And that's the healthy
Brian Sanders:Yes. And I just put out an article about this today. Maybe you saw that I I was joke. I'm not really joking, but nutritionists have one job, and they don't even understand it. Yeah, the title of my article I put out today just an hour ago, and it's about this exact concept that people think that fiber is this magical substance. So again, I'm not carnivore, right? There's a lot of these carnivore doctors out there. Chafee Sean Baker, you know these people saying fiber is toxic and you need zero fiber, and they're going on and on. I'm not in that camp, but I'm saying fiber is very misunderstood. It's not some magical substance. It's not, there's not some goal. It's like, oh, you need to, you need to get three to eight servings of fiber per day, or whatever. You know, they say that with whole grains, you need to get this amount of fruits and vegetables, three, you know, five to eight servings of fruits and vegetables per day, three to four servings of whole grain. This, you know, 25, to 50. Grams of fiber. None of this makes any sense, and it's completely wrong. And read the article, if you're listening, the food lies sub stack, and it's, I make the analogy. It's like thinking that a football team is good because the fans, right? It's like, oh, we're they're winning. If, if you're this out, you know, an alien looking at like, oh, well, this team has more and louder fans, and that's why they're winning. Like, no, it's the opposite. That team is better, and that that's why they're winning, right? And then they tracked all the fans, so it's kind of like the it's like you need to understand that, or you don't understand anything about football or the real world or anything. And so these nutritionists, dieticians, doctors, mainstream everything. The USDA, they don't even understand nutrition. They're doing the same thing. They're they're saying that you just need to get this certain amount of fiber, and that fiber is what you're trying to get. And that is backwards and wrong. It's you need to get Whole Foods and avoid processed foods, and that is what's making you healthy. So of course, all the studies show that people who eat more fiber are healthier, but then they're thinking, it's the fiber. Fiber is an indigestible subject. It's a non nutritive substance. But again, okay, you soluble fiber. Your gut can break it down into butyric acid, and it feeds your gut, but it also animal. You know, collagen feeds your gut too, like animal tissue can feed your gut. Ketones can feed your gut if you don't eat right, the human body's ready for anything. You only have animal foods. We'll make. We'll feed our gut lining with collagen. You You're not going to eat at all, or you didn't get a hunt, right? You hunt failed. We'll use ketones. You're giving me plant matter, okay? We'll use the soluble fiber, right? It always has something to feed its gut. So it's not like this fiber is this necessary thing. Carnivores are improving it. There's people who haven't eaten fiber in like, 10 years. I know a lot of these people, and they're perfectly healthy, amazing. So that. So again, there, of course, the studies show that people who eat more fiber are healthier, because that's meaning. That means people who eat more whole foods are healthier, and eating is kind of a zero sum game. There's only so much you eat in a day. So if you're eating more whole foods, by definition, you're eating less processed foods,
Chuck Shute:right? So in your research, what do you think is going on with the colon cancer? Because I just had, it's weird, because I think they used to say you had to get a colonoscopy at age 50. And then my friend was saying, Oh, I had to get a colonoscopy. I go, why do you have an issue or something? You don't have to do that to your 50. Goes, No. They change. Goes, no, they changed it. It's 45 and then when I went to go get it, and they're getting me already, and I mean, I'm so scared, and the nurse is telling me, Oh, we found colon cancer in a kid who was eight years old. Oh, my God. So how is an eight year old kid getting colon cancer? Because they say that the colon cancer is caused by eating too much red meat. I mean, how much red meat can an eight year old eat in a lifetime? I mean eating, like steak for every meal, and like injecting those veins? I don't understand.
Brian Sanders:Well, he clearly wasn't. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely there must be some genetic thing there, but that's definitely an environmental thing. It's definitely just all of the toxic things in your environment, or food and processed foods or the environment, right? It must be, and with this specific situation, it must be some sort of
Chuck Shute:because I don't remember ever. I mean, they're seeing it in younger and you that's why they've changed it from 50 to 45 the guy that played Black Panther. I think he was only like, 28 when he got it, and he died it before he was 30 or 31 or so. He was very young. I mean, they're seeing it in younger it's changing. That's what I'm saying. Like, follow the science. Like my shirt says we're following the science. So the science is like, more and more people are getting colon cancer, and supposedly, I thought we were eating less red meat. We're following the food pyramid, right? And people are eating more bread, so something's going on there. But do we know what's Why is there an increase? I guess is my question.
Brian Sanders:Well, that's the best point. That's what I was going to say, is we're eating less red meat, and that statistics prove that over the years, people have gotten the message from the higher ups in the government that we should eat less. So yeah, it doesn't make sense at all. It's, I mean, I haven't studied colon cancer, I just know it's something to do with the diet and lifestyle that we and we have all these toxic things in our diet and lifestyle. So it's, yes, like you said, the bread, it's that's what we're eating more of reading more processed foods, there's just more different chemicals and and environmental toxins. And that makes sense, that that's what would be causing colon cancer, not the food that we've eaten for all of our existence, which is me, it's just weird that people would even look to the foods. That are foundational to our nutrition, just any whole food that's been around for more than 100 years, you just automatically should not look at that. It makes no sense scientifically. But the thing is, the who runs the science, I like the of course there's $1 sign as a s in your shirt is, it's the processed foods. It's Big Pharma. All the big systems do the studies, and they have incentive to do the studies and to pay for them. And there's no money in Whole Foods. No, you know, no one's going to pay for this study that's trying to prove, you know, whole foods are healthy. So it's just processed food companies and, you know, the whole system really, that supports Big Pharma and big food will point to anything but them, right? I think that's the ultimate thing of why people think meat and animal foods are unhealthy, is because it's they need a scapegoat. They figured this out about 75 years ago. In the 50s, they started blaming saturated fat on the problems because they need a boogeyman. They need a scapegoat. And they started to realize they I, you know, it's, I don't know if you're listening, you know what kind of tin boy hats they wear.
Chuck Shute:But they're listening to me. They have to. I mean, I get called a conspiracy theorist, and I get called Stupid a lot, which is so fascinating to me, because I feel like everything I talk about and what you're saying, if you start even just doing a little bit of research, a lot of this is very out in the open. It's a lot of, it's common sense,
Brian Sanders:it's common sense. It's open. It's just, it's just money. It's just not a conspiracy. It's just conspiracy in the sense that, yes, there's a lot of people making a lot of money conspiring to keep it that way.
Chuck Shute:That's what I'm talking about. We were saying before we started the episode, we were talking a little bit about just how, to me, it's just the hardest part about this stuff, when you start to learn is like, I mean, I understand it, so I'm I'll be fine. I'm not worried about myself as much. I'm more worried about other people. I know it's a crazy idea to care about people and trying to convince that, trying to wake people up like guys, like you're getting screwed here. You're you're learning the wrong thing, and then you get called a conspiracy theorist or stupid or an idiot, or, yeah,
Brian Sanders:well, yeah, that's how the system's designed. I've studied the system a lot lately, since covid, I woke up to a lot more things. I woke up before covid, to, you know, big food, Big Pharma, and all this stuff is backwards. Then I kind of woke up even more when I'm like, Oh, wait, kind of the whole world is a bit backwards. But why? And then it started making sense when you realize that there's people in charge. There's always a hierarchy, right? There's always, like a pyramid of of influence and control. Back, you know, that's just how humans work. It's even a tribe of chimpanzees have their little hierarchy, right? Then, back to the pharaohs and the slaves. There's always some hierarchy. So there's still a hierarchy there. And the people at the very top, I don't think we even know who they are. I think it goes beyond government. You know, it's not like, oh,
Chuck Shute:Trump, yeah. I think the government is just a lot of those politicians are paid for by these powers that be, the companies, the corporations
Brian Sanders:and the powers that be can change. It's not like, you know, one cabal of the same people. I think there's this sort of loose powers that be that's kind of pull strings at a worldwide level. And they're, you know, they have the common interests, and what's good for them is bad for you at the bottom. And what's good for you at the bottom is bad for them. Did I say that? Right? What's, yeah, what's good for them, making a lot of money is bad for you, which is just eat the eat this slop.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, you mentioned covid. That was interesting, because I thought that was a big thing when it came out a couple years ago that a lot of the information about covid was then the vaccines were wrong. And then I got into this argument with with somebody who and they, they cited the lancet study. And so I thought, Okay, well, I mean, I don't know a lot about that's interesting, but I would be suspicious of any of these studies, because I feel like a lot of them are corrupted. Well, later, I was listening to RFK, which I know, controversial figure, but he was mentioning how the editor in chief of the lancet had said that he feels a lot of these studies are corrupted. The studies and the journals are not legitimate anymore because they're in bed with a lot of these pharmaceutical companies and corporations. And I thought, oh, okay, well, that must be RFK conspiracy. That can't be real. And then I literally just went on Google and said, Lancet, Editor in Chief. And it says, right, people could do it themselves, Editor in Chief, Lancet, and how he and then there was, it said there were some other people, other editor in chiefs, of these, uh, journals, that said the same thing. They echoed those concerns. So I don't think this is concerned. Conspiracy at this point, I feel like this is just fact that a lot of these journals are corrupted by the corporations and the people that are sponsoring these studies. I mean, I again, I don't think it's conspiracy. I think it's fact, but you try to convince people of this, they don't want to believe
Brian Sanders:it. That's by design, so that's how we started on this. So you're completely correct. It's not a conspiracy. It's, it should be well known, but no one wants to believe it, and the system is designed to keep people to just believing into the in this standard narratives, right? And that's, that's just how it works. It's genius, too. Even calling someone a conspiracy theorist, that's like part of the plan exactly. It's like, if you think differently, now we have this label that we're going to put on you, and now you're discredited. You know, it's like, oh, you you're concerned about this new vaccine. Oh, you're anti Vaxxer. Now you're just discredited. You know, it's
Chuck Shute:interesting, because I'm not loyal to any one politician or one person or political party, I literally just want the truth. I don't if I'm wrong and I and the truth is proven that to me, then I'll be like, Oh, okay, well, that's good to know. I'd like to know that because a lot of stuff, I think I was wrong when I all the nutrition classes that I got an A in nutrition in college, and actually, the teacher even invited me to major in nutrition, because I was such a good student and but a lot of that stuff that he taught me was ended up being wrong.
Brian Sanders:Yeah, well, yeah, I'm open to being wrong. That's I mean, I was wrong in the sense that I thought that low carb was it, yeah, I did all this content on it, and then I realized that I was wrong and that I'm healthier with the whole food cars. So yes, I mean, I call it camp no camp, and that's what I've learned over the years, is I am camp no camp, which is a bit funny because it's, it's a camp in itself, but, you know,
Chuck Shute:right? It's like atheist, like, that's kind of a religion in itself.
Brian Sanders:Yeah, exactly. But, yeah, camp, no camp. But, I mean, it's like, humans, when we kind of, it's our nature to be in a camp. And so my camp that I choose is camp, no camp. I mean, it's also kind of funny, because it's, it's poking fun in itself, that it's like, yeah, we can't be perfect. I'm not. I am just in a camp, but I'm always striving to be in no camp. It's, it's this, like, I can't be. No one's completely unbiased. It's impossible to have zero bias. Anything that you've done, there's some sort of bias. It's like I'm living in America. So I have some sort of bias for people who've been born in America, right? So I, but I try to not, yeah, fall into a camp and and to dogma. And I yeah, that's my goal, and along the way, it's really helped me in in the nutrition stuff and anything. And yes, I'm open to being wrong, but there's some things that I'm fairly certain I'm not wrong about, right? There's a foundational truth, and it's usually around nature, right? There is truth in nature, in human nature, and, well, in nature in general, right? That if you take an animal out of that, that environment, they don't do as well. And they, you know, they had all these things in zoos where animals wouldn't procreate, and they didn't know why. They're like, Oh, we're giving the tiger the tiger meat, you know? Why isn't it procreating? It was like, well, it's lonely, it's it's not hunting, it's not eating the whole animal. You're just giving it muscle, meat and some fat. It's not getting the organs, it's not getting, you know, all those nutrients. It's not getting that even experience of devouring a carcass and hunting it, right? So then they started giving it like a carcass instead of just meat, and then it start, bro, creating, yeah, it's like, Nature doesn't lie, right? There are, there's foundational things to nature. So my new way of thinking about things is just following nature. Like you can't cheat nature, right? So processed food is trying to cheat nature. They're like, Oh yeah, we It has protein and it has calories in it, and it's the same as meat. So it's just as good as meat. It's absolutely false. And they've done a lot of studies to show that if we're talking about fake meat, or these plant based meats, my friend Dr Stefan von Vliet does this research with mass spectronomy, and they look at all these meats, and there's 70,000 secondary compounds in foods that are completely different when you're talking about meat, compared to other product, like fake meat products. And there's also, we just know about the bioavailability, and you know, completeness, of of real meat versus plant based meat. So basically, you can't cheat nature, right? You can't just create like a cow that's living its life on grass, and there's so many inputs that have gone into that that you cannot replicate. Right? So that's an example just for food, but that extends to any part of life. So if you want to do thought experiments or. Or, or, if someone tells you, Oh, well, this is the way it is, well, you can just think, Okay, well, how does this work in nature, right? Like, generally in nature, like this, is this? Has this been what we were doing, or is this how nature works? And if not, then you have to start questioning it. But if it does align with nature, like eating red meat that aligns with nature, that's something that humans have done and helped us become human, then you can be fairly certain that red meat is not causing colon cancer or heart disease or obesity, right? You need it's like a sanity check. They call it, right? It's like, I feel like that nutrition world especially does no sanity checks. Of like, ah, is it all these brand new concoctions that we've created and in the lab with all the engineers, you know, making it hyper palatable and adding all these crazy ingredients? Or, you know, is that the problem? Or is it meat that we've always eaten? Right? They're not. They can't even think of this.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, no, it is. I mean, obviously, when I look at your it's cool that you posted what you eat in a day. And I mean, two, you only have two meals a day, and they both have red meat, you have ground beef and grass fed steak. How much beef and steak Are you eating in those meals?
Brian Sanders:As much as I want, huh? No, well, really, I don't know, and I've never measured it probably like 1010, to 12 ounces, okay, I try to eat. I mean, it's, yeah, I'll, I'll definitely need more, like a pound and a half of meat per day, right? So that's why, I guess if, yeah, 10 to 12 ounces. 12 ounces would be times two. Is 24 that's a pound and a half. Okay.
Chuck Shute:And so, because my my gym is always saying, you know, they want me to get like, 200 grams of protein a day. But then I thought there was a thing, like, you're not supposed to eat more than 50 or 60 grams of protein in one sitting. Do you feel? Do you agree with that? Or think it doesn't matter.
Brian Sanders:Well, there's there's a so that was a conventional thinking that your body could only absorb 50 grams of protein one meal. But there's a study in the last year, I think it was probably in the last year that disproved that, and you can absorb more than 50 grams of protein, so there's no upper limit, but it might be better, probably a little more optimal, to spread out that protein per meal. And I think, I don't know, your gyms thinking behind that. I mean, are you 200 pounds?
Chuck Shute:No, I'm like 165 I don't know, but yeah, for some they want me to get, like, mostly, 200 grams of protein. And I think it's like, whatever, like a little bit less of carbs and fat. It's always hard to get the protein. I get the carbs and fats. I get that right away. But it's like, protein.
Brian Sanders:Well, I asked because I don't think people, if you're not 200 pounds, you don't really need to eat 200 grams of protein. I mean, I'm very into protein. I'm like, the most protein forward person possible. But I would say at 165 you would only need 165 grams of protein per day, and you could probably get away with, you know, 150 like, if you if you do 150 like, you will be totally good. And if you want to eat more, that's probably helpful, but not required.
Chuck Shute:Would it helped me put on more bulk, though, and get me real buff. And, yeah,
Brian Sanders:well, yeah, but you could do that with, well, I guess they say a gram per pound of of ideal body weight. Okay, okay, right. So then, if you're 400 pounds, then your ideal, you know that could be different than if you're 120 pounds, and you want to, right? And so I don't know,
Chuck Shute:but you don't measure any of that like it says you're thinking, like you have no idea on the calories you think you get. You say you definitely get enough protein, and you have no idea on fats and carbs. I mean, you can probably guess if you tell me how much of the meat that you're eating and how much rice, I could probably figure out the math. But you've never, like, what's
Brian Sanders:a pound and a half of meat? I mean, that should be enough protein, other source of protein too, with some dairy products and stuff, right? But I did once in my life, I put it in some app so I could know. And yeah, I was getting like, 150 grams of protein a day. Like, I'm not that heavy. I'm pretty lean, so I'm only, like, 155 probably. And so, yeah, I'm like, getting around a gram a pound,
Chuck Shute:yeah, because you're ripped, I mean, and you're in your 40s, like me, and you have a six pack.
Brian Sanders:Yeah? Check out my photo that I took that photo on 42 which was a month ago when I turned 42 Yeah. I mean, that's, that's what I'm saying. I'm trying to make it easy. I posted some of this stuff recently in response to Brian Johnson, who's, you know, the don't die guy. He's the. A famous guy that I think is just kind of gimmicks and salesman, and he is kind of the opposite philosophy of I just want to take, go away from nature as much as possible, taking 100 supplements per day. He's afraid of the sun, he's pale, he's vegan. Actually, he's doing just everything. The opposite his whole life, is tracking and doing really unnecessary things and obsessing over everything. And I have the exact opposite philosophy. I'm, you know, eating mostly meat and animal foods. I don't track anything. I don't stress about any of this stuff. I spend very little time per day on any of this. I don't want need to spend hours and hours in the gym. I only spend one hour per week in the gym, and that's why I posted that photo, that I have great results from 60 minutes per week in a gym. It does not need to be super hard and time consuming. You can, if you want, if you like, going to the gym, then do it for longer. And so, yeah, I have this philosophy that you shouldn't need to track and you shouldn't need to stress over all this stuff, and you can keep it simple, and doesn't have to be expensive, doesn't have to be your full time job like Brian Johnson, it's simple,
Chuck Shute:yeah, let's talk. Let's break that down. I want to get back into more of what you eat. But also you mentioned something I don't think we talked about this last time, is the sun, and that's something that I noticed. I don't know if this is what happened, but I mean, I've been pretty strict on my diet and everything. I went on this road trip, and I was not eating very healthy, because I was on a road trip, right? But I noticed when I got back, I was like, I was scared to get on the scale and everything. And I was like, Ooh, it's gonna be bad. And I looked, and I went, what my body fat went down, I think, like two and a half percent. I think I gained like two or three pounds of muscle mass, and this is by not working out and eating and not eating well. But I figured, this is my theory. Is the one thing is, I was in this car all day, and I was it was a sun, it was sunny, and I was in the car for like, eight or 10 hours a day, and I was getting a lot of sun and vitamin D. Do you think that is something that would help synthesize muscle or protein better or make me healthier. I just couldn't figure out just taking a break, maybe my body.
Brian Sanders:Yeah, I don't I'm not going to say there's any direct evidence that that would help you, like, build muscle, especially, or lose weight. I very confident that vitamin D helps your health in general. So there could be some pathways of you are deficient in vitamin D, probably a bit, and then you you got a bunch of that in your body's like, yes, we are going to work better. Our immune system is going to be better. All of our processes are work, but our hormones are going to work better. Vitamin D is really a foundational part of the hormone process, right? So they actually could be maybe in your, you know, maybe your testosterone went up during that week, and you could synthesize more muscle from the protein that you were eating. So if you just, you know, you were getting probably protein. You were probably eating bad foods, but you're still getting protein. Yeah, still getting your protein in and yeah, for that could be what happened. But vitamin D in general, the sun is just huge. For so many things. I get my son pretty much every day. I have, like a routine of going down it's I'm in Austin. I have this sort of apartment complex pool thing. I go lie down and I read and I get about 18 minutes of Sun per side. You know, I turn over and I haven't been sick, and I don't know, nine years, I yeah, it's been amazing. Why? So I did a lot of things at once. I changed my diet, right? I got rid of the processed foods, ate more animal foods, and I got in the sun, and I don't know what else to attribute it to, other
Chuck Shute:than that. So did nine years. So if I'm doing the math, and did you never get covid?
Brian Sanders:So that's the thing. So I did supposedly get covid, and I didn't really get sick, like I had sort of a bit of a rough weekend. I remember it was so what happened is, it was two and a half years after covid. I didn't get a single I was like, trying to get covid. I didn't care at all. I just I, I just knew it was just all kind of overblown. And from day one, I was dating this nurse, and she was kind of telling me, oh, it's not as bad as you think. It's both. You know, she's kind of giving the inside scoop, and I was just hanging out with her every day, and she came from the hospital in downtown LA with the covid patients. And then I would just hang out with her, and I didn't even care. And so nothing happened for two and a half years. And then I went home to Hawaii. I Yeah, traveling was. Beat down by the flights and not sleeping and eating poorly. I went to a wedding, and, you know, was drinking at this wedding, and on the flight home, I think I got on the flight home, and then, just because my body was so run down, you know, I was just sort of illustrating that, really, if, if I'm just doing my normal thing, I just don't get sick, nothing happens. People say they're sick, and I, I'm with them, and nothing happens to me, right? I think that's how the immune system works, if it's just getting so few people get all that they need, right? So few people getting the right diet and vitamin D and all this stuff. And if you do, it's just amazing, and you just don't get sick. So I wore down my body. I was so then on the plane, I, you know, my body, I guess, got the virus, and I don't know my head hurt, and I just felt a little weird. But that was it for, you know, I didn't miss any work. I don't really count that as being sick. I was gonna do that caveat, but I chose not to. Sometimes, when I tell the story of me not getting sick in nine years, I do the give the caveat of, well, you know, 2024 I had a bad or 2023 I had a bad weekend. But other than that, no, wow. And I used to get sick all the time. My whole life. I was just normal. Get sick every three months, you know, get the flu, get all these different things throughout the year, and then it just completely stopped.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, I I've been starting to eat, like, I've been way more strict on my diet, and all a lot of this stuff. And I can't remember the last time I was sick besides covid. I think after covid is when I really buckled down. I was like, I got to start eating better and doing better. And so I'm trying to remember last time. I can't remember. It's weird. And you see, yeah, you see the people that that if they don't take care of their health, they get sick much more frequently, yeah.
Brian Sanders:And it's yeah, it's just that's how the immune system works, right? If it's trying to fight off all these bad inputs, it's not going to be also able to fight off some sort of virus that comes around, right?
Chuck Shute:Well, so, and going back to what you eat in a day, it's a lot of ground beef and steak, and then there's some cheese and eggs. And then the other thing that I was going to ask you about was, so, because this seems to be a thing I see a lot of is pickles and sauerkraut. So fermented foods explain. What is the benefit of that on gut health? Because I think that's something that's I didn't realize that they're saying gut health is related to your mental state. Like a lot of people with gut health issues, that's the cause, could be the cause of their depression, which is crazy
Brian Sanders:to me. Oh yeah, yes, your gut is your second brain. There's a huge gut brain access. This has been studied in the last, say, 10 years, a lot more, and it's pretty incredible. Yeah, you're like, you're feeling in your gut. I mean, that is a real feeling that is sort of like you have nerve endings, you actually create serotonin in your gut, right? So people would know that from the feeling good chemical. And if you Yes, if you have bad gut, if you're eating terrible food, low serotonin production, depression, yes, it all makes sense. So the I think there's many benefits to fermented foods. It's not all just probiotics, right? That's one of the things that people know about, right? Sauerkraut, tons of probiotics. And that's one benefit. Another benefit is that it kind of reduces some of the anti nutrients, like we talked about oxalates, there's other anti nutrients in plants, and fermenting them will get rid of some of those. Another benefit is they're just really low car low calorie in general. You know, I don't count calories or anything, but they're like, I call them free foods, like pickles and sauerkraut if you're trying to lose weight, or even if you're not, you can eat unlimited pickles and sauerkraut. Like you would get sick of pickles and sauerkraut before they had any sort of anything to do with your weight gain. Like, they do not contribute towards fat gain, right? They really contribute to fat loss. They're really kind of the opposite. They are. They're volumous. They like, we're talking about Whole Foods earlier, like, what's the benefit of fiber? Is the fact that it's it means you're eating intact foods, right? So the the benefit of fiber is not the fiber, it's the intactness, and that means, by definition, it's not processed, so it's not stuffed with extra sugar, flour and oil. But it's also your body recognizes it as a whole food that it and it has even a volume like people eat. Humans eat about three to five pounds foods per day, depending on your size and weight and stuff no matter what, and so you you kind of need a volume of food to feel satisfied, and your stomach has stretch receptors and stuff. So eating fermented foods like pickles and sauerkraut, it's super low calorie or low energy, and it has zero processed energy. And you. You are full, and you get probiotics, and you get some nutrients, right? It has different nutrients in them, vitamins and minerals. It's like, it's ultimate food. So that's good if you're here, hearing people are eating it, yeah? I heard Yeah. RFK was talking about, that's, you know, what he eats. He eats like, meat and fermented vegetables. It's becoming a popular thing. I'd like to say I'm proud that I've been doing this for over 10 years of just eating a lot of meat and fermented foods. I got on early.
Chuck Shute:But yeah, yeah, that's interesting. And yeah, you mentioned the RFK, and that's one thing. Like, again, I'm in camp. No camp. I think RFK brings up a lot of really interesting points. But one of the things he does that I don't, I'm not a fan of personally, is is he takes a lot of people at my gym do this as well as they they take the artificial testosterone just because I don't want to be reliant on, oh yeah, pharmaceuticals, because I think kind of, once you start that path, it's, I don't think you could, if you Stop taking it, then I think your body shuts down, making it naturally. So one thing that I think that's cool, that that you do, that you don't promote a lot of supplements and things like this, but you talk about this oyster supplement, that's you said, it's increased your testosterone naturally. And I'm very curious about this. I take a zinc supplement, but I think I'd rather just take this. It sounds really awesome. Explain what this supplement is. I listen to the podcast with the guy who makes it. It's really
Brian Sanders:cool. Yeah, Steven from Ireland, yeah. I'm really into this stuff, and I almost don't count as a supplement, because usually a supplement is a refined and isolated thing that you take, and this is just a whole food that is dehydrated and put into a pill. So I guess, yeah, you know, it's a supplement, but it's
Chuck Shute:kind of not if you took steak and put it into powder, then,
Brian Sanders:yeah, it's kind of real food to me, but it's just easier, yeah, and trying to eat oysters, I tried to just eat oysters, and it's just like I wasn't doing consistently. So when I just took these pills that I started making with Steven, and took them consistently, I felt the difference. It's the only supplement I've ever taken where I felt the difference and I saw the difference in my numbers. So I got some blood tests a couple years ago. So this is not like a perfect test, but I didn't. I haven't changed my diet in two years. Like, like, I changed it probably four or five years ago, like I said, adding more carbs, but in the two years I didn't change it, and only thing I did was eat the oysters, and my testosterone went up to, like, I have, like, a top 1% testosterone for 42 year olds in the in the country. And I, you know, I just feel amazing. You can, you can feel it. And it's definitely just the oysters, and they have a lot of zinc, but it's a bio, bio available zinc, right? It's from a real source I don't trust, like a supplemental form of zinc. But maybe even more important is that it's has the CO factors. So because it's a whole food, it's an oysters are incredible source of nutrition, like only liver beef, you know, any sort of ruminant, liver is the only thing that compares to oysters. Oysters are the very top of nutrient density and just hard to get nutrients. It has tons of selenium, copper, well, B, 12, iron. That mainly the hard to get nutrients would be the zinc and the Selenium and the copper that those three, a lot of people are deficient in those, and they're kind of CO factors to a lot of these things. In general are cofactors for making your testosterone. So you can look that up online, you know. Like, how is zinc involved in testosterone production? You know? It's very involved. So it makes sense to me. I heard that oysters were after D jacks, you know. And I thought it was kind of bogus. I'm like, Oh well, that's just some stupid old thing, wives tale type of thing. But like, Oh no, no, it's true. It's just that most people are deficient in zinc and probably selenium and copper. And when they eat the oysters, all of a sudden they're getting a little frisky, you know, like it makes sense, their body is ready to reproduce because it's getting all this nutrients. So I think the vast majority of people are out there nutrient deficient, zinc deficient, and as just an isolated zinc supplements not going to do that. What oysters can do,
Chuck Shute:yeah, and, I mean, I think the other thing that zinc would do is it helps immunity. And then another thing that you talked about, which I think your your dad and my dad both had prostate cancer, and zinc could actually, that's in these oyster supplements could prevent prostate
Brian Sanders:cancer, hmm, I didn't even look into that one, actually.
Chuck Shute:Oh, I thought I heard that. I thought that was, I thought I got that from your podcast. I think that's
Brian Sanders:what Steven said, Actually, yeah, okay, yeah. So it's crazy,
Chuck Shute:because I remember my dad. I remember this vividly. I think it was in the 90s or the early tooth. 1000s, and there was a lot of talk of soy, and soy is the new miracle food. And he was, he goes, I guy, I remember, I remember him saying this specifically, well, I hope they don't ever find out soy is bad for you, because we're eating a lot of soy right now. Because he thought that was going to be the thing. That was because it prevents it. I think it does prevent certain types of cancer, but I think it may have contributed to prostate cancer. I think it
Brian Sanders:could cause anything good. I think, yeah, it's more estrogenic. It's like the opposite of testosterone, and testosterone is what, yeah, what you need, what men need, and women need it to women need some testosterone. Yes, I'm not a fan of soy. I think that was just like a big kind of marketing campaign, or just wrong ideas for one reason or another, right so many things in nutrition are backwards. Yeah, I'm not a fan of silly.
Chuck Shute:Yeah. And I wonder, is there a connection with soy and breast
Brian Sanders:cancer? I think I've heard that, yeah, again, like, it's super hard. I never say I'm certain about anything these days, right? And there's studies that show all kinds of things. I don't even trust the research, but there probably is some. I think I have heard there's this good correlation between soy and breast cancer. Because, again, it's, it's not natural. It's like, if you're if it's a very estrogenic thing, even, I mean, women need estrogen, but not in the wrong form or in excess, you know, with all these soy products, yeah.
Chuck Shute:Because I wonder too, like, I think maybe initially the thought was they studied some Asian cultures, and there was a high lot, a lot of soy in there, and they didn't get cancer. But it's probably the other things that they were eating, and they were probably also getting the soy, and the soybean natural form, not some sort of weird processed, you know, took out all the nutrients and just put the soy and stuff
Brian Sanders:exactly. Well, that's a good point. See, that's what I'm saying. Is there, there could be other studies correlating soy with better health. That's why it's like, I don't trust any of these studies, because, yes, Asian populations do a million good things. Yeah, that besides eating soy, soy is just sort of this. They just have that around, and it's just something they eat, and it's has some protein in it and is along for the ride in their healthy diet and lifestyle.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, no. And I think the best advice I can give to people about all this stuff and food and supplements or whatever is like, you know, try things, take to you know, try keto, try vegan, and see how you feel. Because I think a lot of this stuff, you can you can feel it even shortly after you eat it, or if you stick to it for a few days or a week or two, like, you'll notice it like, I know, for me, I tried the vegan diet because I heard so many things. Oh, that's so good for you. We tried me. And my girlfriend both tried it, and she doesn't do well because it's a lot of soy in the vegan products, and she didn't do well with her digestion system, and I gained weight. I was like, wait, I mean, I'm not eating any meat and I'm gaining weight. I was like, this makes no sense to me.
Brian Sanders:Well, makes sense to me, because it's not a human diet. It's and, yeah, I think there, there's something to the nutrient to energy ratio, which maybe I shouldn't have brought up. There's not enough time to do it justice. But that's what I think the ultimate thing is, especially camp, no camp, it's like, okay, there's a million diets out there, throughout history and throughout the world, and some of them are good and some of them are not so good. And it comes down to nutrients and energy. And I mentioned energy earlier as what I mean by that is that calories, like, sort of like energy. Calories, fats and carbs mainly are energy, calories, and then nutrient calories, protein, vitamins and minerals. And if you're looking at the balance of those two, like, you want high nutrients and then the correct amount of energy, right? Like, are you active? You know? Like, what age are you? All these things matter, how much energy you need today to get through the day. And so most people are doing the opposite. It's like they're low nutrients, high energy, right? So they're eating, and that's kind of what a vegan diet is. It's a lot of energy and one lot of nutrients. Or you're if animal foods have the best nutrients, they have the most complete, vitamins and minerals and protein, and then it so you're just eating. So it makes sense you would gain weight somebody, if you're like, fruitarian and just starving yourself, yes, you can. You know, you can lose a lot of weight too, and a lot of muscle, but you generally that makes sense, that you ate too much energy compared to your nutrients. So your body, this is kind of part of Mark Schatzker and the Dorito effect stuff is that, right, your body eats to get enough nutrients, and
Chuck Shute:if you just keep eating, if it doesn't have the nutrients in there exactly.
Brian Sanders:So, yeah, I put together my kind of master theories through guys like Dr Ted naman, who people should look up. He's amazing. Just family medicine doctor that really gets it. Talks about protein leverage hypothesis, and I. Which is kind of on this is animals, all animals, from locusts to mice to humans, eat to a certain amount of protein, and they'll keep eating until they get that protein. So if your food is protein devoid, which is all processed food is pretty much deficient in protein, you will keep eating. And therefore you will eat too much energy, and you will store that as fat. It's very simple. When you, like, zoom out and don't get caught in a diet camp, and you just realize, okay, I need to look at nutrient to energy and do this properly, because my body's going to eat until it gets these nutrients anyway. And that's and what really what you arrive at is the diet that I eat, which is meat and Whole Foods. It's, it's kind of like proving the nutrient energy thing is kind of just proving why we need to eat this kind of diet, which I call sapien, which is just, you know, animal foods as a foundation and then Whole Foods, yeah,
Chuck Shute:or, I mean, like I said, if people don't believe us. They can try for themselves. Try vegan for a week, try keto, try whole food, try three or four of these things for like, a week, or two or three or whatever, and find out for yourself. See how you feel. Did you lose weight? Did you gain weight? Did you you know? Did you have more energy? Just sleep better? But yeah, I mean, obviously you're on the right track. You've done tons of research on this stuff. You got the podcast, the film's coming out. I mean, I don't know anybody else that's researched this stuff more. And like I said, You're not trying to prove a certain side. You're in camp, no camp, which same as me. So it's great stuff. I look forward to seeing the film soon, hopefully somewhere available, Netflix. Or is there another possibility? It might be
Brian Sanders:somewhere else? I have no idea. At this point. We're really early. I think we'll get on a major platform. It's a six part series, if not Netflix, and maybe we would just go on Amazon Prime. I don't know if that's going to help more or less people watch it. We're just concerned about getting the most amount of people watching it. And then also, I want to follow up. Nose to tail is the oyster pills. So that's yes, my company, that's we make them at nose to tail.org, and yeah, I, I'm, I'm in the camp. No, camp. I really don't have an agenda. It's like, I'm just trying to make food lies. I My sapien philosophy is just following nature, basically. And if so, you know, it's not a camp really. It's just like I'm in reality. Camp.
Chuck Shute:Camp, reality. I love that truth, right? It's cool to see a lot of people waking up to this stuff. But again, I feel like that, to me, that is the biggest challenge is not necessarily even fighting these big food corporations or even the government or all this stuff. It's like getting the average person to wake up and believe this stuff. Because if we all felt this way, trust me, things would change quickly. Because if it's all of us against them, they'll do what we they don't want to go out of business. So if everyone stopped buying, you know, these cereals and sugary I mean, they would figure out a way to make it healthy.
Brian Sanders:Yeah, it happens. It happens. So,
Chuck Shute:yeah, well, awesome. I'll put your links in the show notes, and people can follow you on Instagram. One of the, my favorite Instagram accounts for sure, and great podcasts and everything that you're doing, I appreciate all the work that you're doing, and thanks for doing my podcast. Awesome. Yeah, thanks, man. All right, see you later. Brian, yeah, bye, bye, every
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