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Chuck Shute Podcast
Raine Maida (Our Lady Peace) Discusses New Single, Touring with Van Halen & Page/Plant & more!
Raine Maida discussed his recent film project, which showcases the realities of making music, and his upcoming book and new music. He emphasized the importance of addressing mental health issues, noting that their new single will donate proceeds to mental health organizations. Maida shared experiences from touring with bands like Van Halen and Page and Plant, highlighting the impact of these interactions on his career. He also spoke about the value of music in fostering community and personal growth, and his commitment to supporting young musicians. Maida's conversations with fans and his work with organizations like War Child underscore his dedication to using music as a vehicle for positive change.
00:00 - Intro
00:23 - Raine's Documentary
02:32 - New Single & Mental Health Awareness
04:31 - Music Inspired By Life & Fans Reactions
06:20 - Songs Having Different Meanings
07:55 - Social Media, Community & Music
10:38 - Music Industry Changes & Inspiration
12:05 - New Young Musicians
13:10 - Touring with Page & Plant
15:20 - Van Halen, Sammy Hagar & Entertainers
18:18 - Making Great Music For Yourself
20:18 - Getting Thoughts Out Musically
21:35 - Meeting Heroes & Fans
23:40 - Humanitarian Causes
25:25 - Tour with Collective Soul & Live
26:51 - Outro
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Down with the heavy stars, rocking, rolling through the cool guitars. Chuck's got the questions, digging so sharp, feeling back layers hitting the heart.
Raine Maida:How you doing? I'm good. Thanks. How are you
Chuck Shute:great? Yeah, I just watched your movie last night. Oh my goodness, yeah, I'm a fan now of so much more than just our Lady peace. I'm a fan of this other project. I know it's probably just that one off thing, but you and your wife made some amazing music in that film. It was just so real, like watching,
Raine Maida:hope you were drinking while you're watching
Chuck Shute:it. Oh no, it's fun. It was because you hear so many of these stories, you know, doing these interviews about how music is made and the fights and all this, and that's the creativity. And it's like, you got, we got to see it in this film. It was really cool.
Raine Maida:Yeah, I'm, well, I appreciate you saying that, because that's kind of the one of the things, you know, where we were filming it, we wanted it. We figured, hey, we're going away to film this record. And we did it all. But obviously it got all the other stuff. And then when they were in the edit room, it's like, if we don't include that, getting to one of these songs, like just showing, oh, all of a sudden, we just wrote this song, like, if you don't show the fight before it, it's like, it's not gonna make sense. So we both kind of twisted each other's arm to say, we need to keep that stuff in there. And it became a different thing. But I love
Chuck Shute:it. I'm proud of it. Yeah, it's real. See, that's what I like, very real. Well, the documentaries are edited to show it, and it's like, this perfect good thing. It's so fake. And this was real. It showed the good and the bad, and then obviously you see the results at the end, the music that you guys made together. And then it also just kind of shows how cutthroat the music business is. Because why these songs are not like the biggest number one hits of all time? Oh,
Raine Maida:I appreciate you, man, yeah, wherever. Well, I mean, we're actually, it's funny, we have a book that we're just finishing, kind of based on all the feet. We had such great feedback from that film, where fans were just saying, oh, you know what? This just normalizes my relationship and this, and that was so we wrote this book. We're just finishing the edit of now, and we have a new music coming out as well. So we're, this is a thing, like, we're really excited about it and it's real.
Chuck Shute:That's very cool. And I think, too, that's what's cool about learning about you and like, what you're about, that the social causes, like, with this new single, the whatever, the Redux, or whatever, yeah, you've kind of turned this into a positive thing, this tragedy, and now you're donating the proceeds of mental health organizations. I love that. I worked in mental health for 17 years. So awareness is just so great to especially someone with your, you know, celebrity status, that can actually shut a light on it, not just try to sell more singles. You're actually trying to do something with I love that.
Raine Maida:Yeah. I mean, it's so easy to say, hey, we're doing this. We're trying to end stigma, you know, and not that that's a cliche, like it's real, but this finally gave us a vehicle to feel like, yeah, we can talk. We talk about this at every show, the reactions super positive. And so I think it like it is helping end stigma, because we talk about, just say, You know what this guy had, you know, probably some CT, he was a wrestler, but that creates this mental health kind of like spiral. And we saw what happened. Don't suffer in silence. You got it. Reach out to people. You should feel comfortable talking about mental health, you know, issues and and so the idea of, like, people being in crisis, hopefully, it's, hopefully people get that, and it's, and I'm surprised by the reaction, because it's always, like, a little bit touchy, but the crowd just kind of, you know, there's huge applause for it. And I feel like it's, it's very communal, so I think we're making headway there. Yeah,
Chuck Shute:no, that's exactly right. I love what um I heard Dr drew say this. It was so cool. I really like this analogy. Like, if you're feeling, if you're in that spot where you're just really feeling suicidal, or urges to hurt yourself or someone else, you have to call 911, and treat it like a medical emergency, like, and that's really what it is,
Raine Maida:yeah, yeah. It's nice. It's funny, right? The brain, we treat differently than like, if you think you're having a heart attack or you broke your arm. Once we get to where those are all the same exist in the same kind of crisis, then I think we're in much better place. But, yeah, the quote of treating it like a physical animal, it is, it is your it's your brain.
Chuck Shute:Yeah. Does it like when you start diving into these causes and things? Does that help inspire the music?
Raine Maida:I mean, I don't think I can ever write music, especially on the lyric side, without having like human experiences. You know, the idea of like, and I've been there where I've kind of, like, taken three months off and haven't done, you know, whether it's after a long tour or making a record, where I haven't really done anything, and then I go to write and I'm like, Oh, I haven't done anything. Like, no wonder, there's nothing really to talk about. So, yeah, I mean, I've traveled. Who, you know, from like Iraq and Darfur and and Ethiopia and different places with with organizations, and then, you know, being in the mental health kind of game and just advocating for different things. It just gets you out there, and it gets you to to have these experiences that are, you know, usually profound, and somehow make their way through, through music. And it's not always stuff that's that heavy. But again, I think the ability to just to live and get outside of yourself is really important to be a songwriter.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, do you hear a lot of those stories from fans about songs that you've written and performed that have changed their life? I mean, I just, I feel like that's pretty common in the music. Yeah, yeah,
Raine Maida:yeah, and and, and a lot of them are, like, part of that, that life experience where it's like, hey, that's actually not what the song was written about. But if that was your experience with it, that's, to me, that's such a magical, beautiful thing I felt. I think I felt that way. There was something about songs when I was growing up that was almost just like religious. To me, it was like, That was that was therapy, it was philosophy, it was spiritual. And so I'm always blown away when I hear stories from fans,
Chuck Shute:yeah? So there's certain songs that you've written that were not and then people tell you, Oh, this, you know, resonated with me, and it was totally the opposite.
Raine Maida:Yeah, I mean, I mean, clumsy tends to be one of those songs where it's just about the human struggle, and, you know, the juxtaposition of someone you know out there in the ocean, and you're looking at them, and it looks like they're waving to you, but they're actually drowning, you know, and that, I think that was always like a mental health concept. To me, it's like, are we seeing someone for what they're they really are, like, you think they're waving, kind of like they're smiling and they're happy, and if someone's too happy, there's like, maybe there's something deeper here. And that was always what clumsy, that pre course, and clumsy was about. So seeing people not misinterpreted, but, but think it's about, you know, their brother, or something more personal, when it's really just about this more general thing. I love that they can do that. And that's, that's the beauty of songwriting. Yeah, I know when I was a
Chuck Shute:kid, like when I was a teenager, I remember just listening to a lot of metal. And, I mean, it wasn't even necessarily the lyrics, it was just like, how the the song made you feel, like it was aggressive, like Pantera or Metallica or whatever, and it would just, you know, get you out of your your funk, like you were mad about something. You could listen to that. And that would kind of like, get out the
Raine Maida:emotion. Oh man, you know what? Chuck there. I listen to this a lot when I'm working out. I've always been a huge Deftones fan, but I can't remember the name of song right now. I apologize. I need another coffee. But the chorus just says, and God bless you all for the thoughts you something, and I'm like, Just feels. It's a heavy freaking song, but it just feels so good. You know? It's like, it's such even, even if that's all Chino said was, God bless you all. It's really just that lyric under the chords and the way he's singing. It's just like, Oh my God, why can't we just be kind to each other? You know what I mean? Like, why can't we look at each other in those lights sometime, and that it's funny that, like, that little example is, like, truly the magic of music. For me,
Chuck Shute:that's awesome. I love that. Yeah, that's such a great message. I feel like that's definitely lacking in the world. Although, if you get out of the internet, you go into the real world, and you sit down talk to people one on one. Everyone's like, really cool, even if you have different political beliefs or different or whatever, it doesn't all that shit in real life. Yes, give a fuck, right? Like, it's just, it's the Internet people. It brings out the worst in people. And people have these discussions about music or sports, and they're like, ready to kill each other. And I'm like, what people
Raine Maida:social media is literally a race to the bottom. They're just trying to get you to be as vile as you can. And I agree, like, once you put down that phone, people are generally good. We need to have faith in that.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, I know. I'm just trying to figure out, like, how do we get people together? Because I think back in the day, it used to be the church was a big that was a big community where everybody gathered, and now I think a lot of younger people are not religious, and probably a lot of my generation are really, not really. I mean, there is, there is that portion, but then what about the people who aren't religious? I mean, are we going to try to convert everybody religious, or other community kind of things that people can do? Or besides bars too, because, you know, you start getting older, you can't drink as much as you used to, either.
Raine Maida:So, yeah, that's for sure. Yeah, I
Chuck Shute:don't know what the answer is, but it's fun.
Raine Maida:I think music plays a role in that, because I think Yeah, still has this, this spiritual connection, and it can move you more than binging a TV show sometimes, like, I, you know, you just talk about the value of music and how we've unfortunately undervalued it, you know, with all the, you know, the new, like, the paradigm shift in the music business, the fact that I, you know, I put on, like a Jeff Buckley record or a Deftones record, and it just takes me away, and it makes me. Feel good again, you know. And I can do that for the next 50 years, and I've done it for the last 30 years. And so that shows you how valuable a song is to our psyche and our future existence, whereas we just, unfortunately, everything else has more value, and music's kind of been depleted to the bottom of the barrel where, you know, like you said, where everyone would rather Doom scroll, then then sit and listen to maybe an album. And I'm not, I don't want to sound old in terms of, like, that's where we should get back to. But I think if there's one thing that can save us, it's music.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, it's interesting to see the pluses and minuses of how the music industry has changed. Because, I think back in the day, and you've talked about this, how, you know, the record companies were kind of the gatekeepers, and, like, obviously there was a bad thing to that, because there was a lot of talented musicians who didn't get their chance. But the good thing about that is there was less music to listen to. So when an album came out, it was, like, it was a big thing, like, everybody could listen to the same music. Like in the 60s and 70s were all these, you know, very inspirational like peace songs and political songs that everybody, kind of, the whole country, got behind. Now there's just, there's so much music everyone's kind of in their all different little kind of sections of music. Like, it's great in some ways, but there's not one song that everyone is listening to,
Raine Maida:yeah, it's, you're right. It's that's, that's really on point. It's much more fractured these days. But, you know, I think there's still, I think as as a community, we are looking for those, those kind of like watershed moments in life, where it moves the hell out of you. And everyone does find that together. I see that happen in film. Sometimes. I think you see that with some with some TV shows that people binge that have that effect. But yeah, I'm kind of waiting for that next thing in music. I think it's there. I think it's coming. Especially a lot of the night, when I look at the young musicians making music, it's real music. There's a lot of like people trying to start bands again, which wasn't happening for the last 10 years, but I see that happening now, and I see, you know, I was with, there's a, there's a young artist on this tour with us called Grayland, James Rue and her boyfriend's a musician. She's a great musician, and they're trying to make real music, and they're, they're talking about, you know, she was talking about her autoimmune disease on stage the other night and and was like, wow, these kids are brave, man, I think so that next generation is really gonna gonna make some waves.
Chuck Shute:Oh, that's good to hear. Yeah, I saw that name when I was looking at your tour history, and I was like, Oh, I'll have to ask you about that. So she's really talented and doing real music, not using electronics.
Raine Maida:Oh, man, she's the real deal. She comes from, like, you know, her dad was kind of a hippie. Listen to a lot of Zeppelin, but listen to current music too. But she gets up there and it's just the real deal. She's got a rock band, and people are loving and I just, and when I talk to her, and like, her boyfriend's an artist as well. He's on the road doing all the video stuff, when I talk to them, I'm like, Okay, I got faith in this next generation.
Chuck Shute:That's cool. So you said, you mentioned Zeppelin. I was gonna, did you tour with page and plant?
Raine Maida:We did. Man, we were, we're on this crate. It was like we were just starting down here in the US, and we were starting to, like, you know, bring fans out to our own little shows, club shows. So we're at, we loaded into the Middle East in Boston, which is, like, a cool club. And I was like, you know, Frank Black's on the wall, and Nirvana signed a poster, and sound garden had signed, you know. So it's like, this is what we're supposed to be doing. And then about seven o'clock, right before his sound check, our tour manager runs, and he goes, you're not going to believe this. It was Robert Plant was just riding around in a little New York, and heard star seed, which was our single on the radio. And he was like, he just called us and he said these guys got to come home for us in Indianapolis and join the tour. I was like, okay, but we're doing this show tonight, and fans have already bought tickets. Like, I don't care. We are leaving and we're going to do this. And it was an epic you know, it's like, Robert Plant came up to me, talked about that first album we made, Naveed, and was telling me much he liked the lyric. Lyrics and the sound, I was just like, what is happening? And he was the sweetest guy in the world. And it kind of set me up for this career in music where it's like, you know what? If that guy's not a dick, don't ever be a dick.
Chuck Shute:I love that. That is so you kind of learn that now you're passing that to people like grayling.
Raine Maida:I hope so. Like, I think a I think we got to always support each other, but yeah, like, egos and that stuff there. I get it. You have to have an ego just to be a singer in a band, but you got to keep it in check, because we just got to keep this wheel turning before, you know, like, it's the music business is hard enough these days. So you have to like what Robert did to me. I can't, I can't really do the same thing to grayling because I don't have that weight. But being there as a sounding board, being there as you know, anytime she wants advice, I've 100% that.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, I mean, so that is something that you like to do, is kind of mentor or help young bands as much as you can. Because. Still in the business. Like,
Raine Maida:yeah, but I mean that. But that says something, and so is Robert Plant, by the way. You know, it's like that that shows you, that shows you where your priorities are. Like, we're still and Robert still making new music. You know, we're not some nostalgia. Obviously, Robert isn't. And for grayling to see that you can have this long career is it's really important to show that?
Chuck Shute:Yeah, you, you toured with Van Halen too, but I was reading that that didn't go as well, or something. Like, there was, you almost got kicked off the tour, but it was like a thing where Eddie and Alex wanted you, but Sammy didn't, or something. There was some,
Raine Maida:yeah, I mean, it was tough. And I'd heard stories like Alice in Chains to tour them before. I heard that was tough on those guys, so I knew it was going to be different. It was just, it was the same thing, you know, watch like it was like those fans, they wanted these they they paid tickets to Steve Van Halen, not some band. They'd maybe heard one song from play for 40 minutes. So I had a lot of fans in the front row just giving me, like the fingers the whole time. And I was cool with it for a minute. I actually didn't mind it. I always look at being on stage like a bit of battle. It's like a war. It's like a war for hearts and minds of the audience. But I was fine with it. But Sammy came up to me one day, was like, Dude, this isn't working. You've got to be, like, you know, an entertainer. You have to be you have to try to get the crowd excited and have fun up there. And I was like, Dude, I'm not. I love what you do. You're an amazing singer. I grew up in Van Halen, like, 1984 I almost got the tattoo like, but I'm not, you like, I don't wear short, you know, I'm just not that kind of, I I see it a line between like, being an artist and entertainer. And I said, fortunately, man, I mean, I'm more like, I'm more on that artist side. So I'm not, I'm not the guy that's going to go try to rile up the crowd, and it's not a party for me. This is my art and and he was just like, awesome. You guys are done, but Alex and Eddie really supported us. And, you know, I think, I think Sam is just having a bad day, but, yeah, Alex, Alex and Eddie are, like, they're, they're musical heroes to me. I was so sad when Eddie passed away, but those guys literally saved us from the on the tour. But also those guys practice so much like Eddie would walk into catering at noon with a guitar on. He would start sound check too early, two hours early, and just like that, you have to be your craft. And he was, and same with Alex and like that. That taught us all a lot. Yeah, that's
Chuck Shute:what I heard. The same thing. I had guitars from ugly kid Joe that they had opened for Van Halen. He said, Yeah, you'd walk into the dressing room and Eddie would be in there with his tighty whities and just playing the guitar
Raine Maida:that dude never needed to practice. But he was loved it. It was, it was a part. It was like a, you know, a fifth limb was an extension of what who he was as a person. And that is just like that. If you want to be in his business, that is a piece of advice for a young artist. Like, you have to be that,
Chuck Shute:yeah, you have to really love it, the music part of it. You can love the business part too, but yeah, like, eventually that you'll burn yourself out if you're just trying to chase the views and the listeners
Raine Maida:and the funner percent, like Eddie, yeah, he wasn't playing for everyone. He was playing for himself, like you said, in his underwear, in his dressing room, or at catering, you know, everyone else eating. He's just playing guitar. It's like you have to love it that much. Yeah, I
Chuck Shute:just saw this clip of Rick Rubin, and he was saying how he only makes music for he only makes things for himself, like, he's not making it for the general public. And he's like, if you're true to yourself and you're making something that you think is good, then you'll have good results.
Raine Maida:Dude, I'm, I'm 100% with that. There was a moment in that film you were that my wife and I made where she says, like, is this song for the masses? And I was like, whoa. It started a huge fight. I was like, What do you mean the masses? Like, we are not making music for the masses. We're making music so the both of us walk out of this hotel room on this little French Island loving the music. I don't care who here, and you have to think that way. Yeah, I'm, I'm completely lying with Rick, because if you, if you do love something that much, chances are someone else will too,
Chuck Shute:right? Yeah, I think it shows, like, that's I could see in that film. You could see how passionate you both were about why, why you thought the song should be this way or that way, and like, and that Creative Chemistry, I think made the great music. Like, if both of you were just like, Yeah, whatever, like, Yeah, whatever, it doesn't matter. It wouldn't have sounded that good.
Raine Maida:No, and my and my wife comes. My wife's, you know, no, not many people knows, but she's written like she's written big songs for dremar and all these people. So she knows how to write like a pop song. But this was a different thing. It's like, this is, this was supposed to be so personal, and we did it, and we made stuff that is truly personal, but sometimes you got to battle to get there, you know?
Chuck Shute:Yeah, it kind of reminded me of a star is born. Was it partly inspired by that at all? I We did it. We did our film. Was made before that. I haven't seen that movie. Oh, yeah, but yeah. But I get the, you know, I get the comparisons. I have to watch it one day. I'll see it on a plane or something. You. Yeah, oh yeah. Well, you heard the songs. I'm sure I heard that one song, yeah, for sure, yeah, yeah, no. The whole thing is, I mean, obviously it's, it's different because it's scripted or ever but yeah, I mean, it's similar kind of thing, or I just love music. So I'm so jealous of people that can create I, you know, I tried to play guitar, and I sucked. I was like, damn it, I love
Raine Maida:music. Everyone could play guitar. You just gotta Yeah, I mean, I
Chuck Shute:can do some of the back and do some Metallica riffs and stuff. It's fun. But when you, when you watch people like yourself, are just like, Okay, no, I'll leave this to the professionals, like you guys are so amazing that and you just you felt like you always had that talent in you, or did you something you kind of developed over the years?
Raine Maida:I knew early on that I had to find a way to talk to my thought, like, to get my like, I'd always write thoughts and like, you know, even at school, like, on the back of my binders for math, I'd be writing these thoughts on that. And I was like, shit, what am I gonna do with these? I didn't really want to be a poet. I writing books. For some reason, I just felt like those weren't the type of thought. Like, I didn't want these long form things. I loved having these small ideas. And so, you know, I was in early on in my life, it was like, you know, Neil Young and rush and you early, you two records and, and I just felt like, Okay, what they're doing, like, there's, there's a synergy here and with what they're saying and the way it makes you feel and what I'm trying to write. So I felt like, you know what, better than how to play guitar and learn how to sing, and this is going to be the way?
Chuck Shute:Yeah, no, that's awesome. Have you? So you had the chance to meet Van Halen and page and plant. Were there other artists like that, like, Rush and stuff that you did? You get a chance to meet those people?
Raine Maida:And, yeah, I mean, even like, even even up to like Bono, like we we've had the chance to sit and talk music, talk life, with a lot of these legendary artists. I mean, even these guys with you know, both EDS from Collective Soul and live the tour right now, it's like people that have lived a life of music just have unique expect experiences and and kind of expectations that are different in terms of it is about connection like our lives are. Are all around you. Write this song, kind of by yourself or with your band, and then you you want to take it out because you want it to connect you to other people. So it really is about having conversations and and as much as I love talking to those people, you said it before, I love talking to fans almost even more, because those, those are the people that are really like getting value from the music and and putting themselves in your place. And if you, if you're, if you're blessed enough to have those experiences with fans, man, that's that's where the true art exists.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, so you're not like, annoyed when a fan comes up to you and great,
Raine Maida:we do those. We do these VIP meet and greets and I and, you know, some bands just, they take the money and they just, it's like, oh, here's your picture, and thank you, and here's your gift bag out. We make it a the whole band, everyone in OLP, we make it a priority. We give everyone, like, time to talk. And almost like, tell us we don't see it, but they all kind of do, because they know they have this, this vehicle to talk. It's like, what is the what? Like, tell us, tell us your story, why you're connected to this band. And man, honest to God, Chuck. Like, sometimes we need, like, an hour before we go on stage, because some of these stories are so heavy, you just need to decompress and like, take it in, have gratitude, but like, just be like, holy shit. That just blew my mind. And you know, you can't wash it off you. But I there's there's moments where it's like, you guys are on in 15 and where we tell our tour managers, like, there's no way, like we need a minute. This was so heavy. What we just heard,
Chuck Shute:wow, that's awesome. And then just the fact that you're doing so much charity work too. That's like taking it to the next level. Like, you know, I mean, the music alone is, I think, changing the world for the better. But then the fact that you're doing all, I mean, won these awards and things and work with War Child and all these organizations. Did you talk to Bono about that when you met him? Did you guys discuss that at all? Like, humanitarian causes?
Raine Maida:Yeah. I mean, the the thing with, with with those guys is specifically, you know, you have to do stuff. You can't just, it's not it can ever be part of your brand. You're not trying to, oh, I need to do this and that and make my brand look better for us. It's always been specifically me. It's always been like, what am I connected to? Like, War Child, because they work with children in more effective regions, music and play. It's about mental health. Again, it's about getting these kids have seen like, unspeakable sadness. How do you help them be just kids again, like an eight year old kid, and have joy when they've seen potentially the village blown up or lost family members, and it's always through like play, which is, you know, just a soccer ball, or it's through music which helps them escape. So the fact that war child is so intrinsically attached to music that made perfect sense. You know, my wife and I, we have, you know, everyone's family has someone in it that has mental health problems. So that's an easy one as well. You know, when you, when you when you live, that you. Firsthand, you can't help but connect yourself to mental health. So again, it's never about, you know, thinking of it very Machiavellian in terms of, like, oh, we need to work with a charity for our brand. It's not that at all. It's personal shit.
Chuck Shute:No, I could tell, I mean, you're very genuine, and, I mean, people could see that in the film. And I think that's awesome. I love the music. I love what you're doing with the new song and the proceeds. You guys are going to be out on tour. You're out on tour now, I think with collective soul and live and grayling, is it live or live? I thought when they first came out, they said, You guys are all mispronouncing it, it's live.
Raine Maida:Now it's definitely live. Yeah, definitely, yeah, live. The band, yeah, when
Chuck Shute:they first came on MTV. Though I'll never forget that. Though, really, everyone's been mispronouncing it. The band is called Live. And then I was like, Oh, really, everyone's been
Raine Maida:like, well, that's funny, because I remember that whole record came out was called live through this. And I was like, is it live through this? Because you can always miss kids. So funny,
Chuck Shute:right? Yeah, awesome. Very cool. Well, I have to check that out if you guys hit Phoenix or anywhere nearby here I'll drive.
Raine Maida:No, we're not playing Phoenix, but we are. We're just routing like an OLP headlining tour for the US, probably like in February, March. So I'm sure we'll be in your neck of the woods, for sure. Yeah,
Chuck Shute:I've never seen you guys live now becoming started doing a deep dive into your catalog. I mean, do you do any of that solo stuff, or the moon
Raine Maida:versus I don't, but my wife, my wife and, I guess, I don't know if I mentioned my wife and have a book coming out in a new album as well. So we'll be doing that as well. You know, we just try to be creative as possible every day. So tons of stuff coming, but I do, I really appreciate you watch that film that's, that's amazing.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, no, I'm like, I said, I just did a deep dive, and I'm loving your whole catalog, and the other stuff that your moon versus sun, all this stuff is great. Look forward to the new album in the book that sounds Yeah. We'll
Raine Maida:hit you up for sure. Yeah. Thanks so much rain. Thanks, Chuck.
