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Ex Seahawks Strength Coach Chris Carlisle Talks Winning a Super Bowl, Training & His Book
Chris Carlisle, former Seahawks strength coach, discussed his approach to training and coaching. He emphasized the importance of constant learning, innovation, and adapting techniques. Carlisle highlighted Pete Carroll's success due to his genuine and consistent approach, which fostered a strong team culture. He shared insights on managing diverse personalities like Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman, and Marshawn Lynch. Carlisle also stressed the significance of fundamentals, mobility, and proper nutrition in athletic performance. He concluded by advocating for a mindset of continuous improvement and using one's unique talents to achieve success. Chris Carlisle, former Seahawks strength coach, emphasized the importance of consistency, genuineness, and care in building trust with players. He highlighted that by being honest and genuinely invested in his players, such as Marshawn, Cam, and Richard, he earned their trust and commitment. Carlisle stressed that success in leadership is rooted in daily consistency and genuine care for individuals. He also shared his passion for helping others, noting that while winning a championship was significant, his true motivation is inspiring and reaching a broader audience. Chuck Shute promoted Carlisle's book, available on various platforms, and appreciated the audiobook version.
0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:20 - Innovation in Strength Training
0:02:40 - Pete Carroll's Vision & Coaching Style
0:08:01 - Handling Diverse Personalities on a Team
0:11:12 - The Role of Culture & Consistency in Team Success
0:15:11 - Importance of Mobility & Leverage in Football
0:18:15 - Beast Mode, Moving the Earth & Using Tools
0:23:39 - Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Work Ethic & Balance
0:28:25 - The Role of Nutrition & Supplementation in Athletics
0:32:10 - Spectrum of Achievement & Levels of Success
0:39:25 - Knowing When to Quit & Shift
0:41:10 - Being Consistent & Genuine
0:42:20 - Sports is a Metaphor & Thinking Differently
0:46:10 - Being Able to Move & Being Great
0:47:30 - NFL Draft & Building a Championship Team
0:50:01 - Russell Wilson & Personality Changes
0:52:05 - Path to Success
0:55:55 - Different Goals, Balance & Making World Better
0:58:47 - Multi-Tasking & Gratitude
1:00:23 - Future Plans for Chris
1:02:25 - Not Letting People Stop Your Dreams
1:06:00 - Firing People Up & Motivate
1:09:38 - Outro
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Chuck Shute:That is something that, even with straight because I go to a gym, and it's not that I have a personal trainer, but we have, the way they set it up is they have, they have trainers, and you're in a group of, like, four people or less, and a lot of times it's just me and the trainer, but so I learn a lot from these guys. And I mean, I think that's a big thing, is innovating and always looking for the new thing and the next thing, and this supplement and this new exercise and this new technique. I mean, is that something you had to stay on top of as a strength coach?
Chris Carlisle:Yeah, there's if you want to keep on edge. Yeah, I think, I think, and we'll talk about this as we go through, but I think you've got to constantly be learning. If you're not constantly learning and you're falling behind. My son. Had he coaches at ASU as a strength coach. I told him not get into it, but he did. He went against my my words of wisdom. And they had a group in that they were teaching, and some coaches from the outside. And I said, if you don't steal more from them than you give to them, then you fail, because we're all about learning, and it may not be on programming and such. Because they were a smaller it was a high school team that had come in. And you might not be able to learn as much, but you can learn something. You can steal something from them. And that's how I look at is you're stealing. I'm the greatest thief of all coaches. I've got a master's degree in history, nothing in kinesiology, nothing physiology. Everything I had, I stole and I went out and I was brave enough to ask a stupid question, you know, to ask, Why? Why? Why do you do that? Because just what I see is Life is a big puzzle, and we're always trying to get pieces into that puzzle and put it in place. And what if you don't ask that question, you don't get that piece in. But if you've ever worked a puzzle and you find that piece and it fits, all of a sudden, all these other pieces go in and and it's amazing how everything come together all of a sudden when you get that one piece, but you had to go find it. Nobody drug it to your door, so you've got to drag it out of people. So that's why I love doing this. I love meeting new people and learning from them. And you know, that's the excitement I I love the interaction with other people. That's one of my favorite things ever. So, yeah, when
Chuck Shute:you worked for Pete Carroll, I mean, you want a national championship and you guys want a Super Bowl, what did you learn from him? Because your job, you said, was to spread the culture and his vision. Like, what was it, or how would you describe his vision? Because I know some people were really very critical when he got that job as the Seahawks coach. They said, Oh, he's raw, raw. This is in the NFL. He's, he's just a raw, raw cheerleading coach that's not going to work in the NFL, but he won a Super Bowl, so do
Chris Carlisle:but, but he's, he's okay. You have Nick Saban on one side of the line. You have peak here on the other side of the line, okay, yeah, Bill Belichick on one side of the line. You got Sean McVeigh on the other side of the line. Okay? Why are they all successful? Because they coach differently. They're all on different sides of the line. You know, different parts of the line. Some are way over. Bella checks, way over on this side, piece way over the other side. Why did? Because they're consistent and they're genuine. You can't go out and be that. Why has there not been a guy from the Belichick tree that has gone on to be successful in any way, shape or form? Because they all try to be Bill Belichick. You can't be Bill Belichick is the only person to be Bill Belichick is Bill Belichick in, in, in the in Bill Belichick book, I think it was Patriot way he talked about when he got the Cleveland job, that he tried to be Bill Parcells, and he failed miserably, because he didn't have the answers when he got into quick decisions or looking down the road, because only Bill Parcells knew how far that road would travel. So when he got the Patriots job, he said, I'm going to be me. I only know how to be me. I'm going to be me the best way. And if it doesn't work, fine, I've got it out of my system. I can go back and be a defensive coordinator, because I know I can do that. And so he became him. All right, Pete Carroll is genuine, and He's different from everybody else, because he's rah, rah, which is great, because he does it Monday through Sunday. He doesn't put on a show on Sunday afternoons or on Saturday afternoons. When he was coaching on the field, he wasn't putting on a show. That's who he is. And then the players get to understand, it's like, okay, then they. Buy into the culture. Now my job in this system was not only to help them physically be better, all right, but it was also a big part of that was to go through the process of understanding why we're doing this, and it's all about the culture that we have built. And see culture starts at the top, and you've got to have a plan, and that's why so many coaches fail. You look at what is it? Eight to 10 jobs every year in the NFL, that's a third of the population is cold every year. Why? Most of these people don't have a culture. They never thought about they they got the job because they're brilliant. X and O guys, all right. They had all the answers they could put all the drone. But that doesn't work in the locker room. That doesn't work in the in the time in between in meetings. It doesn't work when times are tough. It doesn't, you know, it just doesn't work. You've got to have the communicator. Now. How many times can Pete Carroll talk to the team during the day? Well, in the meeting and in practice, he'll talk to guys all right, but how often do they talk to him? So now, who touches the players as much as the head football coach? Well, the strength coach, I touched every one of them, not a defensive coordinator, not an offensive coordinator, because the defensive coordinator stays pretty much on his side of the aisle. Offensive coordinator has his side of the who touches everybody, even the trainers don't. Trainers only deal with injured guys, so it's the equipment room and the strength coaches. Okay, so when I message Pete Carroll and I speak fluent Pete Carroll All right, on how to go ahead and do it. Now, what I would do is take his stories, but I use my stories and my names in there so that, what happens if I just parrot what Pete Carroll says and the defensive coordinator does, the offensive coordinator does, and everybody just parrots Pete Carroll. What happens when it comes back to Pete Carroll telling the same story? Right? Consistency. It becomes static. Though you've already heard it, I've already heard it. I knew something. Okay. So if I tell a different story, Pete Carroll talks about the I just used his name earlier today, the UCLA John Wooden. So John Wooden had a quote that, be quick, but don't hurry. Be quick. We don't that way you get to the point where you're supposed to be and you're able to take in all that you have in front of you. Okay, so Pete uses that story. Now, I could use another story. So I have two bulls are standing on top of the hill. Young Bull says, let's run down and get us one of those cows. Old bull says, let's walk down and get them all. Okay, the whole so. So my story links into his, but it's a different story. So when Pete Carroll comes back in the fall and tells that story, oh, it's fresh, because they didn't hear it for a year. My story. They heard that story and it linked it. Now the defensive coordinator puts his story in, the offensive coordinator puts his story in, the special teams coordinator puts his story in, and all of a sudden, now we're all messaging the same way. But
Chuck Shute:yeah, how does that work with different personalities? Because, I mean, I look at that championship Seahawks team, and you just had such interesting personalities. You had the quarterback, Russell Wilson, who was very quiet, you know, humble back then, I think he's changed a little bit since then. We could talk about that, but, you know, he was kind of put his head down, go to work, go Hawks. And then you had Richard Sherman, who's like, I'm the best corner in the game. And you had Marshawn Lynch, who was like, I don't want to talk to the press like, you know, you have these personalities. And I feel like, with a Lynch and Sherman, they had this, like, swagger. And I know in your book, you talk about, you know, arrogance is one of the pitfalls, but it seemed to work for them. So how did that? How did Pete handle those personalities? You
Chris Carlisle:ever watch wrestling, professional wrestling? Oh, yeah, with branding, yeah, bad guy. All right, that's what it is. When Richard goes on and puts on his his his costume, his uniform, he becomes the bad guy. When did you do it with the tip in the end zone against the 40 Niners? And he got into, all right? That was the bad guy, okay? And then he talked and he did it March on, on the other hand. Now, Marshawn one of the most genuine people. And Richard was genuine. Richard was an amazing guy. And cam was amazing. And all those guys, Mike Bennett, and all those guys, big red and I mean, just amazing people when they got away from the limelight, because what you see as a fan is what they put out on the field. That's their branding, okay? What I saw were individuals who cared about how to take care of myself. How do I elongate my career? Because there's not another job out there that I'm gonna make 15 to $20 million planning. Game, and so they were amazingly branded, and so that's part of it right there. Now, when they have a head coach that is consistent and cares about them and the staff cares about them, there's that buy in, that they want to be part of it, because it's genuine, it's consistent, okay? Because humans love consistency, right? If you look what, what, what Bill Belichick did with his organization and what Pete Carroll did with his organization, two different ways, two different things, but because the people were having success, it was like, Okay, I'm gonna buy and I'm gonna go ahead and sell, buy into what we're doing here, because it's so darn important.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, I heard you say that the lob for us. It's, you know, we Legion, a boom. But it had another meeting behind closed doors. It was meant love our brothers. So there's a different kind of thing going on behind closed doors that you got to see. And
Chris Carlisle:that was the cool thing, the way that they interacted with each other, the way they challenged each other, when when you see lesser teams that are not culturally tied in having a lot of fights on this on the field, because people are afraid to be challenged, and in Pete's organization, with the way that he developed his team was that there was a lot of challenging but it was about competition, because when we finished here, we're all on the same team, there wasn't an offense versus a defense mentality, except when the ball was in play, and then when they got together, there was great camaraderie, Great care, great love of each other, because we're all doing this together.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, didn't Pete, a lot of his coaching philosophy came from a book about tennis. I want, I can't remember the name, I want to say it's like the art of tennis or something, with some old book, and it was all about just continuing to practice, like basic things over and over and over again, right? Sure.
Chris Carlisle:I mean, the fundamentals are the key. That's and that's what's happened to college football now. Fundamentals are out the door. You don't teach fundamentals anymore. It's fast break offense. Because here's the problem, I get I get 30 new people, 40, maybe 60 new people. I know ASU this year had like 50 new kids come in on on transfer portal, all right, and so how can you, in six months, put all this information into them anymore? I tell, I tell the story about, I don't know if you remember the name. He was at USC, a guy named Cedric Ellis. Yeah, was a defensive tackle. He was a PAC 10 defensive lineman of the year two years in a row. Now, when, when, when Cedric came in, he was a, he was a really good high school football player, but he thought he didn't have to get any better. And so we had to work with Cedric to get his mindset that there was more in him that he could give. And so about his sophomore year, all of a sudden he started changing. He started doing things, and I didn't have to get on him nearly as much. And then by the end of his junior year, he was an All American. He was a defensive player, defensive lineman year, senior year again. And so we're standing on the sideline at a Rose Bowl, and I said, Sit. I said, What happened to coach seat? I got tired of yelling at me, and so I just said, what the flip? I'm just going to go ahead and follow what the man tells me to do. And he said, then the worst thing ever happened to coach. I said, What's that? People started following me and I couldn't slow down. Now, in today's world of the n, i L and the transfer portal, how long would an athlete sit in a team where he's getting told that he's not doing things right? Well, they're just transfer somewhere else, yeah, and then so, so will he ever reach his potential? You know, because we have to sometimes be pushed to meet our potential, because we're all human beings. Are not the most obsessive people in the world, as far as working themselves beyond what they think they can do, but there's an envelope we can keep pushing the envelope, push the envelope, push the envelope, and eventually you become even better than you were. Reggie Bush came to us at 185 pounds. He left right around 200 pounds. His 40 time got faster. How'd that happen? All right? Well, because it became more powerful, more explosive, we worked on his his his technique, because He was God given fast, but we could even refine it a little bit farther, because he had an open mind that he wanted to get better. So you put 15 pounds on his body, his body fat didn't change. So we put in good stuff into him, and he became who he became.
Chuck Shute:That's interesting, that he put on weight and got faster. That's seems,
Chris Carlisle:yeah, counterintuitive, yeah, you work on the fundamentals like you were talking about what people said in getting the little things right. We continue to get the little things right, and all sudden, the big things can happen. Yeah,
Chuck Shute:because you talk about how it's more important for athletes to move, and they only need you for football. You only need them to be strong enough, right? They need to be have the basic strength level once they get over that, it's just, it's almost a waste. But doesn't that? Doesn't that different for offensive linemen and defensive linemen, because you need the push. Isn't the stronger person getting the push on it about
Chris Carlisle:leverage, flexibility, mobility, low man wins. You've heard that, right, yeah. How does a low man win? Well, it's not his hips, it's his ankle. Mobility. Which offensive lineman to get lower? So if my guys are more flexible, mobile and explosive than the person they're playing, they get under their mask and can lift their masks out. Then, I don't care how strong you are, if somebody has leverage on you, then you're going to win that battle. Is
Chuck Shute:there one skill or drill that best demonstrates this ability to move that you always talk about? There
Chris Carlisle:was a running back here last year at ASU named cam scotte. Oh, I love him. Okay, so, so, you know, he's kind of a, he kind of a diesel. He kind of looked kind of a dump truck kind of guy. He's not pretty, you know, he's a little bit shorter, a little bit stockier, plays with his heart. He goes the combine. And they're all thinking, Ah, you know, he's gonna, you didn't run because, you know, you nobody runs at the Combine anymore. But there are two tests I've always watched, the standing long jump and the vertical jump, okay, where you can get enough power to be explosive. You can't cheat those tests. You either can jump or you can't jump. You can either can get power and explode up. He went 39 inches on a vertical jump and went over 10 foot on the standing long jump, which are really, really exceptional numbers. You know, if you can hit 11, then you're, you're out of this world. But he was in the mid 10s, 10, 410, six, or something like that. And a 39 inch vertical, that means he can go ahead and generate power and explosiveness, which is always transferable to the football field running 40 yards. When's the last time you saw somebody run 40 yards untouched on the football field? That doesn't happen. So I tested useless. How does he do on the 10 of the 20? Yeah. Can he change direction? Does he have vision? Look at Marshawn. Marshawn had amazing vision. The Beast quake run when he planned it and cut it, cut the ball back all the way through the middle of the line out to the other side, because the ball was going left, yeah, and it should have hit and bounce it left. He bounced it back, broke nine tackles, up 67 yards. That's got to
Chuck Shute:be partly, like you said, it's got to be his heart with both Sean and Scott about I just see these guys that they're not gonna quit. Like normal people are like, you get grabbed. You're like, yeah, okay, I'm getting tackled. And they're like, No, I'm not getting they're not giving up until the whistle blows. Then, then
Chris Carlisle:you have to be strong enough to run through those tackles, yeah? So you have to have that base string. Anything more than that is baggage that you're just carrying. A look at sprinters. They're all ripped up and cut but they're not looking like bodybuilders, because if it's all about muscle mass, then body builders would be the fastest people in the world. They're full of muscle. So there's that point that you're strong enough to do what you need to do. So Marshawn cuts it back, and here's the moral of that story that a lot of people miss. All right? He jumps into the end zone. He scores the seismographs go off, m1 or m2, earth tremor. Okay? And here's the story from this one person with the desire, the passion to do what it took, the desire, that passion to bleed, can move the Earth. Okay, so when you take that back to what you do in your daily life, and I'm talking to you, I'm talking to the people that are listening this, whatever you do, if you do with great passion and great understanding, great energy, you can move the earth. And that's the great thing. That's what people fail to do. Let me give you a quick example. Do you play cards at all? Chuck poker,
Chuck Shute:yeah, a little bit occasionally. A five What do you hold them so you get five cards,
Chris Carlisle:yeah. First card, yeah, it's not very good. Second card, third card, fourth card, fifth card,
Chuck Shute:four aces, that's pretty good. Reduce, all
Chris Carlisle:right, you're pretty happy with that, but here's what happens. Here's what happens to people. Oh, it's not as good. It's not as good. I've got all these aces, but it's not as good. I might fold my hand, then they go back and look at it again. Oh shit, I can't see my aces because I'm now focused on that one thing that's bad about me. Think about how many people in this world look at that. They have all this talent, all this ability, and they get focused in on the wrong thing. Um, they get focused in on that deuce, and that Deuce becomes the biggest thing for them. It doesn't make them worse. You're still going to have a great hand. But people get so locked in what they can't do, they forget what they can do. Scatterbu doesn't worry about he can't run a four, four. Marshawn wasn't worried about running a four, two, all right? What they were worried about was doing what their job was to do. They looked at their aces. What can I do better than everybody else? And that's what it's all about. You know, we're in this world where everybody has all these great gifts and tools, and in my book, I call my crayons, okay? And now some people had the 64 and they even had the sharpener in the back that they had all the talent, all the problem. Now, if you could put you had a big bowl of all these crayons, and you had to take a crayon out for each one of your gifts and talents. How many crayons would you take out of that? Chuck? Just a number 5070, 529 368 think about the gifts and talents you have, the things that you do really well. All right.
Chuck Shute:Well, that's the thing, though, I think not everybody's given four aces. So like, I mean, Marshawn and scoutable, these guys have insane talent. Like, what do you I do? Think everyone has a purpose, but maybe not everyone's is like to change the world. What? Hold on now.
Chris Carlisle:So, so if you have 64 you know how many I have? I've got eight. That's all I got, all I've got. And they're not the little eight or 64 that everybody else has. Because I'm a grinder. I'm going to take my eight talents, the things I do, I think as well, if not better than everybody in the world. I have these eight, and I focus on those eight, and I use those eight every day. Here's the worst thing. I'm sitting in elementary school, and I look at the girl next to me, and I have my eight crayons because I'm have my crayons because my mom knew who I was. She knew I was a grinder. She knew I'd be working those crayons this down to pulp. They'd just be wax. My pictures become 3d chuck that because they'd be so thick with crayons that water looked like you put your hand into it. And I look over at the table next to me, and this girl have this box of crayons. And most of them had that flat tip, and you know what that meant? She didn't use those crayons. She didn't use her gift. And that's where it goes back to those things, having your four aces, having those crayons. Use every one of your talents every single day, and you can change the world. I'm not kidding you. Conor McGregor just put out a there was a quote about him that it's about an obsessive ability. He has no gifts or talents except he's obsessive about competing, about winning, but being successful, if people were obsessive, then they'd have a better way of getting to where they wanted to, because we all have a purpose, and we all have our dreams, but people don't chase them as soon as they get that too. That's it. I'm not gonna look at the other four cards. I got a deuce. How can I win? But you know, if it happened to be a king, okay, maybe they play along, but it was a deuce, and they can't get past that, because they can't understand, they can't believe that they have a chance to be successful. You know why? Because the people around them told them, you're a failure, you're worthless, you can't do it. Yeah,
Chuck Shute:that's interesting. I mean, let's talk about like, then Russell Wilson, because I think that's a perfect example of that. As a guy who was, I don't know how tall he was, What is he like, 510, or quarterback, and a lot of people said, you can't make it in the NFL. You're too short, you're too small. But he, I mean, I feel like it really was the work ethic, because if I remember reading, uh, correctly, I remember them saying, like this, the Seahawks had to, like, literally kick him out of the training facility. They're like, look, we need to close like he was there from open to close like all the time when he first started. Right,
Chris Carlisle:right, right. Well, you know, and that he understood what he was lacking. He understood what his Deuce was, and because it was about physical size and ability, okay? And so he had all the leadership. He had mindset. He had all these great things. But he worked on that deuce. And he worked on it till it became, you know, a team. You know he he's not ever going to be six, five, all right. But he continued to work on what his his what people perceived as his lack of ability. But what he did was he hinged that then, with his ability to move, he could extend the play by keeping his eyes down field. What happens with a lot of these quarterbacks, or movement quarterbacks, is as soon as they start to run, their eyes go down and look at the defenders. When Russell began to run, his eyes were downfield waiting for that corner to come off, to come up, to make the play, and he jumped it over the top. So. And then he had Doug Baldwin run underneath, who knew that eventually he would come open, because somebody would go ahead and chase him. And there was Doug, okay, again, another free agent, a guy that shouldn't have been on the team. He How about that? You go to Super Bowl, and you have Jermaine curse on one side, and you have Doug Baldwin, both free agents, not highly, you know, highly, solid drafted. But they Yeah, they made themselves who they were because of their intensity, their drive, their decision to go ahead and take their crayons, and they didn't have as many as some guys, Percy Harvin, who had, you know, a bazillion of these crayons, okay, but Doug Baldwin would go in there and do the dirty work because he had the mentality, how I'm a grinder, I'm going to do it. If Russell was there, 24/7 then Doug was mayor, maybe they're 25 eight. Okay, another day. He was a grinder, that kid. He was one that you actually had to get out of there. He and He and J are Sweezy were like that. Bobby Wagner was like that. When the gym on it, when the weight room opened, they were in there doing something, flexibility, mobility, stability. So, what is
Chuck Shute:that? What does that look like? These guys that then that being Pro Bowlers, and Russell Wilson, all you know, they win the Super Bowl. Like, how what is, is their day? Just literally, wake up, go to work, and just they're in the building all day, and then go home, go home, go to bed, and then do it again the next
Chris Carlisle:day. Like, well, they actually go home and they do recovery and they do massage. And their day, you know, you talk to these pro guys, and they're spending millions of dollars on their body, you know, taking care of themselves, because that is the vehicle that's going to continue them on this process to making all this money, because there's no job out in the real world that's going to give them that kind of money. And so they continually working on their vehicle that gets them to do what they're able to do. It's not just I'm only going to do it for seven months, and I'm gonna go vacation for a while, for three months or four months. You know, they're working eight months and hard, and then they go on vacation for a couple of weeks, and they come back and they're right at it. Do you
Chuck Shute:think there is a negative at some point, like, can they work too hard? I mean, I know you never worked with them, but just you look at a guy like Tom Brady, and this guy, I mean, he's the greatest, arguably the greatest quarterback. I don't even think it's arguable. I think he is the greatest quarterback of all time. How many Super Bowls? Six, seven, whatever it was. And then it's like he got to this point where, I mean, he probably had, should have retired, but he just wanted to keep going. He saw that drive in him, and ended up costing him his marriage. And now he's doing the announcing or whatever, but like, how does he transition from that work, or is he still doing that work ethic with announcing sure
Chris Carlisle:he's doing the same thing. I'm sure. Though, you know, those people are obsessive. They're driven to be the best at whatever they do, and so when he's in this mindset, he's doing, look at all the things Marshawn does. He's in films. He has a bar, restaurant, he has his clothing line. He's still obsessive about being the best at what he does. He's not going to put it out there. He's, he's not going to but, I mean, he's pregame, he's, you know, in that post game stuff and everything. He is still making his mark in football, because he's obsessed about being great. Yeah, it is. It really to being how obsessive are you about what you do?
Chuck Shute:It's crazy too. That like, but he would eat Skittles. I was like, Wait, this is like, a professional athlete, and he is one of the best, but he's eating Skittles. Yeah, I think DK Metcalf was eating, said he ate a bunch of candy too. I'm like, how do these guys, how much does nutrition play a role? Is that something that
Chris Carlisle:Marshawn didn't need a lot of candy around the you know, he, you know, it's a lot of branding. Yeah, you know, how can I get Skittles to go ahead and, you know, I'll be the sponsor. It's, it's like Howie Mandel was Sketchers, you know, he went in and said, I'm a national voice for them. And, and they call him, said, Hey, do you want to be one of our national voices? Sure. And now he gets free shoes, you know? So, you know, you can, you can go out and really get anybody to buy into what you're doing. So,
Chuck Shute:so do they, they took nutrition really seriously, is that? That's a big piece of that. Because, I
Chris Carlisle:mean, you know, you can't look like that without doing eating, right? You can't eat like a dump truck, you know, and, or, yeah, you can't eat like that. It just doesn't work out that way. So they have an idea what they're doing now, alignment, you look like Jeff Saturday, played the NFL, gets out, loses all this weight, you know, well, because he didn't have to force himself to eat, because he had to have the weight to hold the position, you know, you get tossed around if you're too late. And so, you know, those guys didn't, didn't have that natural body size, but they had the ability Ryan kil played center force USC, and then went on to have a great critter in Carolina. And, you know, same way just wasn't big enough. But he continued to eat and do that kind of thing. And he, you know. He was able to play, extend his career, get paid millions of dollars, where he never has to work again. So
Chuck Shute:is there a diet that you think works best for football players like to be successful? Yeah, I think
Chris Carlisle:it's really what your body type is. I don't think there's a one, you know, template of, if you eat all this, you're going to be right. You guys see how your body uses carbohydrates, how it uses protein, how it uses all the stuff. I think supplementation is huge, because we don't get enough into our diets. And so if we supplement, we get the vitamins that we have that we're lacking. When we got to the coaching staff, got to Seattle. Now, we just came out of out of sunny Southern California in six months. We did our team physicals, and every one of the coaches that came from California, our vitamin D levels, we had to get on prescription vitamin D, because our vitamin D is because we weren't in the sun, dumped all the way down. And that's just, you know, the vitamin D is a situation. As people get older, they get into their hormone replacement therapy because your testosterone levels drop. And if you're missing that key there, then all the other chemicals, hormones and everything in your body are now off balance, and so they're able to bring them into balance. And so there's a lot of things that that can allow you to continue your movement forward. There's a great post. It was a social media post. It was a study that they've done that, the stronger you are physically, legs and upper body. As long as you keep your strength up, it'll, it'll, it'll elongate your life. And so going in, you don't have to squat 600 pounds, but it's that physical ability to be able to stand up, sit down, and Move, Move Move or Die, that if we do this, then we live a better quality of life. My wife and I think about my parents when they were 62 and her and her mom went, they weren't doing what we were doing, and they were they became older. Now I go in the gym and you know, it's, it's one of those things that I'm always competing with myself to see what I can do. Because it's just that mindset of myself that I'm always competing with myself to make sure I'm better today than I was yesterday.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, do you think that going on kind of an opposite spectrum? Like, you know, besides people that are obviously you're working with, professional athletes and collegiate athletes and collegiate athletes who are at the top of their game, and then on the other side of the spectrum, and we have such a terrible homeless issue in America right now, and people are just struggling. Do you think that, and a lot of that, I think, is due to substance abuse? Do you think that the substance abuse, it kind of kills that drive, because we took that out and we took the drugs away from these people. There's some sort of drive inside of them that should be urging them to move, like it's our natural instinct, like you talk about in the book. I mean, from beginning of our civilizations, like we've always been, have this instinct to move, and that may be a bigger problem, and just in the country, or maybe in the world in general, is that people are not tapping into those gifts or using the crayons, like you say, with the metaphor.
Chris Carlisle:Yeah, it's one of those things that it doesn't matter if, and I'm not talking movement as in physical movement, geographical movement. It's a spiritual movement, it's a knowledge movement, it's a relationship movement, that if we cannot, if we're not, continue moving things forward in our life, then we get stuck, and what happens? And I can't speak to addiction, because I'm not an addiction specialist, but I understand what you're saying, that if, if, if they took as much time being with their addiction to this, to an addiction to physical fitness or knowledge, they would be the smartest people in the world. Well, I don't know if it works that way, but the thing
Chuck Shute:they would achieve their potential. Again, they're not everyone's given four aces, but they could do with the best, with the hand that they're given right, right in for some people, that might be, you know, being a truck driver. There's nothing wrong with that, there's no I think that's
Chris Carlisle:great in a bricklayer, the blood transportation system of our world, you know, why not be the best truck driver? Yeah, and then be so good that you people are using you so much because you're so good that you now get two trucks and three trucks and five trucks, and you get people around you surround yourself with the best truck drivers in the world, or in the in the country, because you do it better than everybody else, and then all of a sudden you have the best trucking firm in the world. Yeah.
Chuck Shute:I mean, it's like, yeah, I think I don't if you talked about this in your book or another interview I heard you talking about, but just, you know, not everyone can be a professional athlete, but you can still be involved in the game. And I had a perfect example this past weekend. I was at a concert, and my friend plays in the band, and it's cool, you know, we're back side stage. I'm like, This is so cool. And there's someone next to us. And there it was. Her son is the lighting direct guy, whatever they're called, lighting director, lighting person, or ever so. And, you know, she he's getting to live out his dream and do the run, the lights and everything. And she's, you know, she gets to see the show side stage. And you know, it's like there's, you could still be a part of something big, even if you can't be the star of the show or whatever. No
Chris Carlisle:doubt I was gonna, you know, I told my buddy Nate Lau when I was eight years old, I was gonna win a Super Bowl, all right? And then when I finished my college career, I knew it wouldn't be in the NFL, but I knew I could still win the Super Bowl in a coaching capacity. And then I got into football, became a head football coach, and worked through the coaching system and figured out real quick when my record was 33 wins 77 losses in one tie, I wasn't a very good football coach, but what I did understand were the fundamentals of the game, what it took to be part of that game. So my my my focus pivoted towards being a strength conditioning coach in which I could affect what I understood. I understood who I was, and I was able to do that the highest levels and winning championships at the high school level, the junior college level, the college level, than the Super Bowl, because I found my purpose, what I was meant to do, and it wasn't. And here's a great thing, Chuck, it wasn't winning championships. See, I thought it was. I thought that's the end game, that's if I win championships, and when I win that Super Bowl, it's going to be all of a sudden, I'm going to be in the top of my my my world. But it doesn't work that way, because when we won the Super Bowl, I was sitting on the plane, on the tarmac in New Jersey, and I was working on the off season program that wasn't going to be run until April, and I'd already done it my staff, Andre G and Jamie anchar, we've done it all through the season. And I was I was dotting the T's and crossing the eyes. That's how much I was into this. And I sat back, I looked around, and people were still celebrating that they were passed out. Now, we just won the Super Bowl 40 years. It took me to get to this goal, 40 years the last person had done that chase their passion for 40 years was Moses. Done, done. Okay, so, all right, that Moses Malone, but the Moses and so I looked around, I thought, What am I doing here? What's if the winning the game that I had been dreaming about, which was the top of my shelf. If that wasn't good enough, then why am I here? And then I finally figured out, it took a couple years I had to go really deep inside. And I finally figured out it wasn't winning the championships, it was the process of helping other people being as successful as they could be so they could accomplish their dreams. See, success is about what you do to accomplish your dream. Significance happens when you help others use their crayons to accomplish their dreams and their purpose. And so I thought, I get it. I get it. So my career ended out when I timed out with the NFL that it was like, I'm done. I'm a dinosaur, which is great because I was a dinosaur as a T Rex during the drastic period of the NFL. All right, I was the biggest, meanest, baddest strength coach in the nation, because I had won all these championships, 16 championships I had won by the time I got out from a guy who started 3377 and one, and I climbed all the way to the top, and then I finally figured out football was just a vehicle. It was a vehicle for me to become who I was supposed to be my purpose. So when I got out of football, I knew, hey, now I have an audience. I'm not stuck to 100 people. I can now speak to 1000s around the country, around the world, so they can go ahead and help them understand that you are on the right path, but you have to get rid of that Deuce and focus on those great things you do. You have to use all your crayons every day, and the biggest thing is surround yourself with great people. See people in life, there's two kinds of anchors. The anchors have stopped you from crashing into the rocks, and the anchors to stop you from being who you're supposed to be. And you have to decipher who these people are in my life that are stopping me, that don't believe in me, that don't think I am all that I am, and they and they don't let me get out there and failing that's okay. And I think that's what happened. We talked about what's happened in society today. That's what's happening today.
Chuck Shute:Well, how did you fail? How did you know when it was time to give up trying to be a head coach and do the strength and conditioning part? Like, is there some sort of cute because it's not like you really gave up. You just kind of shifted. And, I mean, do you feel like that might be something that some people struggle? I know for me, I feel like I struggle with that because I'm like, okay, like, maybe I can't have my own podcast. Maybe I should join someone else's and be part of a team or something. You know, I don't know. Like, how do you know when it's time to quit on something or shift?
Chris Carlisle:Chuck, I was 3377 and one in 11 years. If you hired me, I could assure you three wins every year.
Chuck Shute:But how? Many years that you've done that for? So 1111, years. So that's a long time.
Chris Carlisle:I ran that string out. I figured out I'm not good, and I kept proving myself, because that's that inflexibility when you're inflicted, you keep doing the same thing. I think it's called insanity. Keep doing the same thing year after year after year, expecting different results. Then there's a problem. Okay? Then I honed in what, what is my passion? What do I love to do? I love the off season. I love working with the players the season I didn't love, you know, the games they tore me up. I I'm a terrible loser that if I lost it just, I just for a week, I couldn't and thank God that I wasn't around teams that lost a lot, that we were able to be successful. We didn't have long losing streaks, one game, two games, maybe, but, but I was able to go ahead and go on those big runs and be be happy where I was at. But, you know, it just became one of those things that every day I get to get up and I get to do my work that I do right now. I'm busy every day, and I love every minute of it, because it keeps me moving forward in my life, doing what I'm supposed to do. Chuck you're doing what you're supposed to do right now. All right, keep powering that path and find out. How can I make it better? How can I do this better than everybody else? So I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to watch all those other podcasts. I'm gonna watch Rogan I'm gonna watch all these people and figure out what is their key. Well, here's the key. They're consistent and they're genuine. All right, when you get those things, when you understand that watch all these people that they are who they are, they don't have to be somebody. They get to be who they are, then all of a sudden you're going to find out, hey, I'm just a step away. And it only takes one, it only takes one person that goes ahead and flashes you out there, and all sudden, you know, all of a sudden, you're the guy that people want to be part of, that want to be part of your program. You're doing everything great. You get everything set up. You understand this, you you've got good questions. You You've done great research, you know, reading my book and understanding that part. A lot of times I get on podcast and I go, so did you write a book? Tell us about you know, it's like, well, you know, I can do that. I was set for that question, but you ran it right into this and, and it's been a great conversation about and we've talked about football. But the thing is, to me, sports is a metaphor for life. If
Chuck Shute:we look at totally, I love it so much football or
Chris Carlisle:I don't care what sport it is, when you're competing, when you have team work around you, when you're competitive, when you want to be better than everybody else, you're willing to put the time and the fundamentals in, you have a chance to become whoever, whatever you want to become. Yeah,
Chuck Shute:well, amuse everybody. Think you mentioned Eddie Van Halen in your book. And, I mean, I've interviewed some people that have, you know, opened for him, or, you know, worked with, or whatever. And like, from what I hear about him is that he just always had a guitar in his hand, like he just loved playing guitar, and he just lived it. It sounds like that's kind of the same with some of these athletes you worked with. It's just, they just live it. It's this or 100 100% of the time their life, then finding
Chris Carlisle:how to do it different. Because you can be the same guy and sound like everybody else, and they're gonna say, Well, okay, that's that's cross that path, Robert, Boston is a road less traveled at the end, says two rows diverged into the wood, and I chose the one less traveled, and that has made all the difference. So instead of just following the pack and being like the 99.9 be that 1% go ahead and try. And I talk about this in my book about thinking outside of the box. I know it's technically shayish, but it really matters. What you have to do is, is recognize, as you're in your profession. Recognize, once you get into the into the knee, deep into it, you finally okay. I'm now, I understand this, cut, this whole thing, not your first year might be your fifth. Might be your 11th year before you finally okay. I get it. And then you start developing your own you recognize it. You research it. Now, in my situation, strength conditioning. Now, I was brought up under Barry Alvarez, who went on to become the Head, head football coach at Wisconsin, and I thought he was my high school coach. And so we he brought the Husker power training, because he was with the universe Nebraska to Mason City, Iowa. And so I was introduced to weight lifting, how important it was. And so I went through, went under John Stucke at the University of Arkansas, who's the greatest strength coach ever, and I started looking at stuff, and I started understanding what the game of football was about. 11 guys here, 11 guys here, and when the ball moved, they all had one thing in common, movement. If I could make my guys move better, more efficiently, more explicitly, more powerful, then they were better, or we had a chance to win. If you look at our teams from USC, in nine years, we were really good. We won the PAC 1070, years in a row, went to a bowl game. Nine. Years in a row. How many guys do you think bench 500 pounds during my time at USC? Now we had some huge first round draft choices. All right, the answer is five total teams like Michigan, Ohio State, then have five every year. We had five and nine years because it wasn't a focus of my program, because it was about building refrigerators. When we played the Big 10, we played them nine times while I was at USC, we were nine and Oh, all right, I'm talking about Nebraska, talking about Ohio State. I'm talking about Michigan a few times, Illinois, Penn State. We beat them every year in the bowl games Iowa that because we had smaller guys, but they were able to move. They're more athletic, they're more explosive and more powerful, and that's my philosophy. So I thought differently. Everybody else had these record boards up on their wall about and those are ego boards for the for the strength coach. Look what I made these guys do. But how does that play into a game when right, still, squat with all this weight.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, what's, what's the saying? Like, looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.
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Chuck Shute:remember the one that was, I think the Raiders took him. I'm spacing on his name, but the guy was just ripped. He set up combine records, and he never was very good in
Chris Carlisle:man bridge, yeah, yeah, yeah. Marcus Russell was, was the quarterback that was all this and all that huge and all this. Could throw the ball, you know, two football fields, but he wasn't able to do what it took to become a great football player. They didn't have the skills. They weren't able to move from A to B more efficiently. And so we've never handled all the biggest guys, but we had athletes that could move, that could get in front of everybody, and you look at Tom cable again, the best offensive line coach I've ever been around in my 35 years of coaching. He didn't coach the, you know, double this, double that, and you know, hopefully we can run out. His is all a stretch play. He was putting two of my guys on one of your guys, and he was stretching and making you run out of the place or running back to cut back into it.
Chuck Shute:Is that why you guys always move people that were like defensive ends and made them
Chris Carlisle:easy? Yeah, yeah, please. Was an example of that. He was a defensive lineman from North Carolina State, became a heck of an offensive guard. And at you, at Seattle, yeah.
Chuck Shute:What do you now do you still follow, like, the NFL draft and all these prospects? Like, what do you think of some of these guys coming out? I mean, besides, you mentioned scatter bow. But like, you know, the big one that seems to be controversial to me is the Colorado quarterback Sanders. Some people are thinking he might be a bust.
Chris Carlisle:I don't know. I don't think I, if I, if I'm a GM, I'm not drafting a quarterback. I can go out and get a baker Mayfield through my program. Remember the the Baltimore Ravens when they won the Super Bowl with all the the Sarah goose and Ray Lewis and all those guys, remember, okay, they had Trent Dilfer. He was told, don't turn the ball over. Okay, because we can get enough field goals. We can win the game. Not, you know, nine to three, okay, just don't give them the ball. Don't give them any extra chances. And they had Jamal Lewis, who I had the blessing to coach when I was at Tennessee as a running back. So they'd run the ball, they dumped the ball, they run the ball, they dumped the ball, punt the ball. Defense would hold them. We get the ball better. We move it down, kick a field goal. Okay? Three. Oh, we got a chance to win. And so that mentality can still work. You look what Seattle did with Gino. Now, Gino bounce around the league, all over the place. Pete even went back up and traded to get him, because he understood he's not a$50 million quarterback. Think about the salary cap, but you know, one of these big time quarterbacks goes down and look at the amount of money that you just took out your team. You can't replace them, right? You know, there's not enough money. There's not because when you take that, that 25% of the salary cap, and you take it out of the works, and all of a sudden now you have a huge hole. Because when, okay, so we were successful when Russell was making $600,000 a year, right when Russell got whatever he got in his first style, you know, of his big first big check, all right? 25, 3040, Niners doing that with Purdy right now? Yeah, you know, they've got to dump all this stuff. Look at how many guys we lost. Red, Bryant, we lost me, Bain we lost, you know, a bunch of really good backup players. Chris Clemens, we lost from that, all right, we lost all these good players and backups. So now you get guys that are minimum wage, and there's so many good money, but still not as solid a backup as we used to have. You know, we used to be eight deep on the defensive line. And when Russ got paid, which was the market, and I'm not throwing rocks at Russ, he just did what the market was doing. We now didn't have that quality around him. Yes,
Chuck Shute:it changed, because it seemed like his personality changed. I mean, he, like I said, when he started out, he was such a quiet, hard working, humble guy. And then he went to wearing these, like, flashy outfits and making corny videos, what happened to him?
Chris Carlisle:No idea, as you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to talk to Russ about that. I have no idea where he was on that, but
Chuck Shute:you saw that. You saw the chat, like when you see him online now, or an interview, like he's not the same guy, that when he started right, he's changed.
Chris Carlisle:No, he's Yeah, he's not the Yeah. There's been a difference. Again, I can't speak to that. I just know who I was dealing with when we came in during that first off season, and my quarterbacks, that were guys who were veterans in the NFL, had the chance to do squats or do the leg press. The Veterans went over to the leg press, and the young lion got into the squat bar and was squatting. Okay? Ru got under the squat bar and was squatting. He understood his leg strength was where his arm strength came from. The other guys were saying, How can I make this as easy as I can? Yeah, I hate squat. It is. It is. It's hard for a reason, because it develops your whole body, and it develops your core, your hips, your legs, your your your conditioning, because your whole body, the whole system, is working to get that weight and so yeah, it's hard because it has to be hard. But when you're willing to go like that and do the hard stuff during the during the off season, there's not that much hard on the other side there, you've heard,
Chuck Shute:it's almost like the, like the David Goggins Navy SEAL kind of mentality that you
Chris Carlisle:he's, he's way off there. You said obsessive. He's, we can't put many people in his because he is. He's a special individual. So
Chuck Shute:yeah, that's on another I'm just so fascinated. I think I'm so fascinated by success and people that achieve the highest levels, partly because I want to do that for myself, but also just because I feel like I I want to, like, learn the secret or so like, but I feel like maybe there just really isn't a secret, it seems like. And doing all these interviews and interviewing some of the biggest, most successful people. It's like, it's like a different path for almost all of them, like some of them did work really hard. Some of them were given really amazing gifts, and some of them, I feel like they kind of just got lucky. They were the right place, right time, and it worked out for them.
Chris Carlisle:You make your luck, okay? If you continue doing this, you're going to make your luck. You're going to become the best because you want to become the best because you're willing to do what it takes. You're willing to grind. And you know what a grinder is? A grinder is a person who doesn't think enough is ever enough that how can I be obsessive about how can I do more background on this person? More background. So when I get to that interview, it's sharp, it's I'm bringing out information that my listeners will sit there in the gym and listen to this guy talk about improving themselves and making them better. Or am I going to talk about? And on page 45 there's a great quote by Martina Navratilova, in which she says that the difference between being committed and being part of is like eggs and ham. The chicken was part of it. The ham was committed, okay? Or the pig was committed, okay? And so, you know, we could do that in the book, or we can talk about the march on being willing to believe that it takes one person to move the earth, okay? And it takes the person that's listening to this right now. All it takes is you to decide, not just today, but tomorrow, the next day, because it's that string together, because you don't see it, you don't see that change right away. It takes time, and all of a sudden you get perspective. And that's what pain is. Pain is perspective taking root. All right, all that hardship, all the times you look in the mirror, Am I doing the right thing? That kind of pain is now you look back the way you used to do it and the way you're doing it now. And that's that perspective that you look back and you go, Okay, I'm doing it so much better than I used to now. Where's my next edge. So so one of my favorite stories is Sir Edmund Hillary climbs Mount Everest and his Sherpa, they get to the top. Now this is a beekeeper from from New Zealand that just first one to summit Everest, and his, his, she looks at him, and he goes, so now what?
Chuck Shute:Yeah, it's kind of what you mentioned.
Chris Carlisle:So now what? So now you just climb. Highest mountain in the world. So now you just won the Super Bowl. So now what? Well,
Chuck Shute:what is that? The line that you mentioned the book, The Springsteen lyric, a king ain't satisfied until he rules everything.
Chris Carlisle:Yeah. Poor man wants to be rich. Rich man wants to be king. A king ain't satisfied till he rules everything. Now, what's your everything you talk about being a truck driver, maybe being the best truck driver on the road. That's your everything great. Then be that. Be the best, if we all try to be the best, and stop worrying about everything everybody else has, and stop worrying about that, that deuce, all right, that's in our hand, and start focusing on what we can do, and stop listening all those naysayers who say you're not good enough. Now sometimes you'll prove yourself that you're not good enough. Yeah, 3371 I wonder if it wasn't good enough.
Chuck Shute:Yeah. I wonder too. Let's say, if we take example of the truck driver, maybe he's not trying to be the best truck driver. Maybe he's trying to be the best father, like he's got he's doing the truck driver right here. I saw a thing today where UPS guy can make 200 grand a year. That's a pretty good way to provide for your kid. I wonder if the truck driver is a better father than say, Tom Brady. Now, Tom Brady is obviously one of the greatest quarterbacks, but how good of a father was he if he was spending all this time on football like it's an interesting when you look at the balance of things, sometimes you have
Chris Carlisle:to trade one for the other. That's your next question. Do you have to? Well, yeah, I want to be the greatest father, so I can't be the greatest truck driver too. Heck. No, I can do both.
Chuck Shute:Because when I don't think there's a give and take with some of these things, no, I think
Chris Carlisle:it's a mindset you have that from the moment you try to go to sleep. And here's the problem, you know, when you're in it when you can't go to sleep because you're so excited about the next day, all right? And then when you get out of bed, you put that right foot down on the ground. You say, thank you. Put that left foot on the ground, and you say, you and then you breathe in, Yahweh, yeah, way. And you come out and you understand, thank God I have an opportunity that I can make a difference. I may not have made it yesterday, alright? I may not have struck gold, but I dug that mine a little bit more, and I dug that mine a little bit more now, with my son, tell him I love him all the time. I don't care if all his buddies around I'll tell him, and he'll tell me back, all right, because he knows everything I have is for him. Everything he does is to help him and everybody around him. He's very either he's really a heck of a kid, and I'm blessed that he follows after his mom. But the thing is, I could be a coach and work with these athletes and then come home and be the best father. And it doesn't is not aware. Here's what it wears. It wears on you. But Chuck, we have 86,400 seconds a day that we get to use. Are you using every second that you have to make your world better and to make your family's world better, your spiritual world better, and everything around you better. Too many people sit there in front of the TV and look blankly at the TV. Now there's not much good on TV that you can't be multitasking, listening with one ear and working on your next idea of where I can recognize where the problem is. I can go ahead and build the the answers to it. I can test these answers. I can go ahead and put these answers and make a change in the world. I can I can move the earth that one person can do that because I'm so committed to that. I'm so committed to being a great father. I'm so committed about being a great speaker that I don't have enough time to worry about what I don't have.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, well, and I think the multitasking is really key to you. I heard you mentioned that like, you'd be like, kind of thinking about strength plans while you're watching a movie with your family. And like, I know for me, like I was just listening your book on Audible, and I'm walking so I'm getting my steps in and I'm listening to your book. I think sometimes combining things like that really can make a huge difference. It's
Chris Carlisle:all about understanding how to put everything in so everybody gets theirs. You know, I'm not worried about getting mine, okay? What I'm worried about is, can I help me? Can I live a life of significance? Because I've already got, I've done everything I wanted to do okay. I wanted to win one. Wanted to write a best seller. When it wrote a best sell, I want to help people, and I want to be able to touch people, and that's why I have such a great opportunity. I appreciate DDP so much. That's the talent agency and evolve. PR that hooked me up with you. I mean, they helped me reach out and speak to more people every year. And it's such a blessing to be around those people, Dennis and Diana petty and and Alexis hunter with evolve, you know. And when you're around great people, they can help lift you up. And what I want to do is, when they put me on that platform. Know, I want to then lift people up also, because I think that's why they helped me, help put me there. Yeah,
Chuck Shute:no, that's, I agree. I think that's awesome. And, I mean, that's all gold. My podcast is to inspire people, educate and then sometimes entertain, sometimes it's just pure entertainment. But, you know, I'm getting, I'm hoping to give value back to some people through this podcast. So I appreciate you taking the time to do this. What other plans do you have? What's that? What other plans do you have? Are you writing another book? Are you just two other
Chris Carlisle:books now? One book is, is, is a kind of a combination of all the I think I have, like 150 blogs that I've written, and I'm sure you'll post the address somewhere, www, the coach carlyle.com and I have my blogs there, but take those and put them into a book, and then I do a for the people that I'm in touch with. I've got, like 100 people that I I send out. It's a it's a weekly champions mindset, and I'm going to make a picture book of that of the different things. And the cool thing about that is that the mindset pictures that I use are all original pictures that my son or myself or my wife has taken while we've been traveling. And so they're all original pictures. And these are in the mindset, but I also on on Facebook and Instagram and all that. I do have my Thursday thought, which are quotes from me, then I put out there and thoughts that I have Wednesday wisdom. I'm a big guy in quotes. I think we, we're surrounded with voices and choices. You know, the voices that are in our heads that drive us on? Stephen Crane wrote the Red Badge of Courage, and he wrote a quick 132, words. It says, I saw a man pursuing the horizon round and round. They spit. This disturbed me. I accosted the man in his futile I said, you can never you lie. He cried and ran on. And so what he's saying there is that we're chasing our horizon, which is that that thing that we're we're supposed to be, what we're, our purpose, our dreams are out there. And no matter if somebody says, I costed the man it is futile, because he saw that you couldn't do it because he couldn't do it. And the other guy says, You lie and ran on. And so that whole idea about not letting people stop you from getting to your dreams. I mean, if we do that, if we all took that step today and cut off some of those anchors, of the people that didn't believe in us, you'd be you're gonna be out, and you're going to be sailing to where you want to go, and that's the cool thing,
Chuck Shute:yeah. Well, I think, I think a lot of times those anchors, like, they may be cut off, but the voice stays with them. Or like, how many times does a parent's voice or a ex girlfriend or boyfriend's voice, or friends, or whatever, it's like, they still hear they have those doubts in the back of their mind. And to me, I feel like what's worked, at least for me, is just you almost kind of, for about lack of a better term, you kind of have to brainwash yourself, like you have to listen to a bunch of positive podcasts and audio like, you know, listen to your book or read it, and listen to interviews and podcasts that are going to be uplifting and empowering. And then you really start to believe all that hype, and you start to believe in yourself, and then you kind of silence those voices, those anchors, as you call them,
Chris Carlisle:Chuck. There's studies that say that we between 50,080 1000 messages go through our brain every day. Right now, I'm maybe only 50,000 you know, I don't have the circuitry for the 80,000 you may be an 80,000 guy, and 85% of those are negative, and 90% of those are repeated. You're not good enough, you're not you're too fat, you're too fat, you're too fat, you're too fat, and eventually you brainwash yourself into doubting who you are in your potential. All right, like you said, if I go ahead and change the narrative to I'm not going to watch the news anymore, because all that is is in fighting and name calling and negativity and people, oh, the world's going to end if he wins, or if she wins, or whoever wins, the world's going to end. Well, we're pretty resilient country. I think we're going to figure it out okay. And so if we continue our process, going through our lives and believing what we can do, and follow you and listen to the positive things and look at the good I talk to my people about the get TOS now we all have the got TOS in life, the things you've got to do, Chuck, you're a get to today. I get to do this. Actually, my breakfast was a get to this morning when I when I went to bed, I'm marking all these get twos down in my life. All right? I get to see the chiropractor. I get to see I get to speak with Chuck today. All of a sudden, those got twos. The things you've got to do, I've got to go the dentist, okay, but if you stack enough, get twos around those. Got tos. All of a sudden those get twos are leveled out because you can't wait to get there so you can get past it, because you have all this good stuff. If you just line up all your got twos in life, then life is nothing but a bitch in front of you is nothing but uphill and snow and gravel and hard work, all right, but if I go ahead and spread my get twos around all the good twos, if you really like I said my breakfast was a good two today. That's how small I take it. I get to tomorrow. I get to have my breakfast. I get to work out. Wednesdays my off day. So I do all my work on these days. And so when I go back in on Thursday, I can't wait, because I get to challenge myself in the weight room. And when I go in, people say, oh, you know, you're an angry T Rex, you bet. Because I'm competing with myself. I'm competing with the negativity that says, ah, you know, there's got to be something better to do. There's something got to be easy. Yes, there is. But when I walk out of here, I know my endorphins are kicking and I can't wait to come back because I feel so good about the work that I did. How
Chuck Shute:do you fire yourself up? And how did you fire up these guys like Lynch and Sherman when they're when they run the bench press, like, Is there something you say, or do you know because you said you couldn't, you couldn't yell anymore because of the surgery that you had? So was, how did you motivate people to to push themselves more in the gym?
Chris Carlisle:I I, you know, and the story I had, this is all titanium. And after the surgery, the doctor said, If you yell, intracranial pressure will kill you. Well, that was during that first year, and I had to learn how to speak and coach at this level. And then I found something really hard. Was that when I was speaking to the team for the first time after the accident, the players actually leaned in because they wanted to listen. And so we were going to circle back around this two things. I was genuine about my message, and I was consistent. And what I was consistent about was, if you do this, this is going to happen, and when they did this, that was going to happen. I didn't lie to them. I didn't, you know, blow blow confetti up there they're eating. I told them what was going to happen, because I knew it was going to happen. And then all of a sudden they began seeing it. And then we get trust. And in order to get trust, you have a heads of consistency. So when I gave the consistent message, when I was genuine, that I really cared about it, and they found out that I didn't care about them because they're number 24 All right, or number 25 or number 31 or number 64 I cared about them because it was Marshawn, it was it was cam, it was Jr, it was Richard. And when they knew that I cared about them, about what they were doing, I could ask them to do anything, and they would do it because they said, Hey, Coach, C's here for me. He's on my side. So if you want to be the best and you want people to follow you, be consistent, care about them and be genuine. Way you go through it, and you're gonna have success. We talked about the first thing Bill Belichick is Bill Belichick, because he is genuine and he's consistent. Be careful. Be Carol. Okay, so all these people who are successful, people are them who every day, the week, seven days a week, and you can't hide that. So how do I fire myself up? I can't wait to be able to help somebody else. That's my mission in life. That's my purpose in life. Wasn't a win championship. One of them didn't change my world. Didn't move my needle. But when I come in, able to speak with people like you and your listeners, this stuff fires me up. Chuck, this is what I get excited about. This is my passion. This is where I get to really reach out, because I'm speaking to not just 100 people in a football meeting, but 1000s of people that come and listen to you again. Thank you so much for allowing me the opportunity to come in and speak with you and talk with you. This has been a great experience. I appreciate it.
Chuck Shute:Thank you so much for doing this. People can follow you on Twitter and Instagram and or X, I guess it's called now, and I'll put the link to your website in the show notes. They can get the book. And I, like I said, I listen to an audible. Makes it easier for me, but they can also get the physical copy as well. And yeah, thank you so much for doing this. I really appreciate
Chris Carlisle:it. Thanks for having me. I love the audible side too. The guy who read the book did a much better job than I do when I read the book to myself. Definitely.
Chuck Shute:Yeah. Very cool. Appreciate thank you so much. All right, okay, bye.
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