Filmmaker & Youtuber Radix Verum Discusses the Gretchen Whitmer Kidnapping Case

Radix Verum is a YouTuber and filmmaker, currently working on a documentary around the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case.  Chuck and Radix discuss the de-banking of Radix by Bank of America and a SWAT incident at her house, which she believes was a false pretext to intimidate her. Radix is working on a documentary about a multi-state militia plot involving 14 defendants and 20 un-indicted co-conspirators. She highlights the FBI's role in infiltrating and manipulating these groups, using informants and undercover agents to frame individuals. The conversation touches on the broader issues of government corruption, the Patriot Act, and the FBI's history of entrapment and control tactics.

0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:20 - De-Banking & SWAT Incident
0:04:17 - Government Corruption & Political Activism
0:06:25 - Challenges in Documentary Production
0:09:32 - Concerns About Team Meetings
0:10:54 - Government Control & Legal System
0:15:43 - De-Banking & Financial Impact
0:21:07 - Government Narratives & Changing Stories
0:28:05 - FBI Informants & Entrapment
0:28:22 - Militia Groups & FBI Infiltration
0:44:00 - FBI Motives & Strategies 
0:52:07 - Whitmer Case, Suspects & Surveillance
1:01:14 - Far Left, Antifa & Informants
1:02:56 - Whitmer Case & FBI Operations
1:21:40 - Funding and Release Date for Film
1:23:20 - Trusting People & Gasoline on the Fire
1:30:17 - Outro

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Transcript

Chuck Shute: 0:05

Scott, the questions, digging so sharp, peeling back layers, hitting the heart. So I wanted to start because I I kind of rushed through some of the research, and I listened to some interviews and things, but did I hear this? Right? Did you say that you got de banked by Bank of America and soft rated you?

Radix Verum: 0:35

Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 0:36

for me for making this film,

Radix Verum: 0:39

we don't know why I you know, was de banked. They're not going to say that, but I suspect that's why, yes, and then my house was soft, rated twice. It's one of those things where it's like plausible deniability for them. They claim I was swatted. I've never been swatted in my entire life, and the day that they swatted me happens to be the night after I published a Barry Croft statement to the weaponization committee, and they moved Adam and Barry from nuego County to super Max prisons that day, so I don't believe it was a swatting. In fact, while it was happening, I was premiering a video on my channel called the government is trying to shut down my documentary, and then the cop was telling me, Oh, I hope it's not the FBI swatting you, and we're not going to be able to tell you who did this. And you know, they used a voice to text things, so they just tell you, it's, I'm like, then why are you here? If you already know this stuff, why did you come here and then they did it again at four o'clock in the morning the next day? Wait, so

Chuck Shute: 1:45

what does that look like? Soft like? Is it just one cop showing up to your house, or the team, like a

Radix Verum: 1:51

SWAT team of people that show up because whoever swatted me, which I believe I know who it was and why they did it. I think they use these methods of having this plausible deniability, but they call in a report and say that, like, you know you're you just killed your wife, and you're thinking about killing yourself or something. So, of course, they don't know. Law enforcement doesn't know, and they just show up to your house. But it wasn't like a I came, I was coming to the door, and they actually opened my door and came into my house and filmed inside my house without my consent.

Chuck Shute: 2:27

Oh, my God, and so but then once they see that there's no dead bodies and that you're okay, then they kind of back off, or did they start looking through your stuff, or what?

Radix Verum: 2:37

No, then they have to leave. But it's still the invasion that occurs to intimidate the fact that people were filming inside my house. They were obviously looking to see if I had weapons out or anything that they could get me on, which is concerning, and it's also scary. If you have children to have SWAT teams showing up at four o'clock in the morning.

Chuck Shute: 2:59

Did they so? Did they knock, though, or they just pound it, they just opened the door and come in?

Radix Verum: 3:03

No, they opened the door and came in. The first time that was during the day, when they did it while I was premiering my video and I showed them, and they were like, Oh, I hope it's not the FBI that just swatted you. Then they came again the next day, at four o'clock in the morning. Wait.

Chuck Shute: 3:18

So the first time team again, but the first time they didn't knock, did they knock down the door? Or they No,

Radix Verum: 3:24

my door was kind of it was like just the screen door was closed, like the front the door was actually open.

Chuck Shute: 3:31

So they open up and go FBI, or police, or whatever.

Radix Verum: 3:35

Yeah, they come in and say police, and then they searched around the house. They actually went in room to room on the bottom floor of the house, and I had to ask them to get out. That is so scary inappropriate.

Chuck Shute: 3:48

Were you scared shitless?

Radix Verum: 3:50

Yeah, I didn't. I knew what was happening, though. I was like, oh fuck you know

Chuck Shute: 3:55

because you knew you didn't do anything going,

Radix Verum: 3:57

Oh my God. Like the audacity to do this the day that you guys move Adam and Barry to super Max prisons, the night after I published Barry's statement to the weaponization committee, it's it's so brazen. It is so brazen, like I've had I've been on the internet for almost a decade. I've been doxed. Back in 2018 I was doxxed. I have never been swatted. Nobody cares about. I'm like, a nobody, a small channel nobody swatted me. It's we know what what happened and why it happened. Why'd

Chuck Shute: 4:28

you get doxxed in 2018

Radix Verum: 4:31

oh, just for my kind of political activism, I guess. And just doing this, like talking about the things I talk about, yeah, because,

Chuck Shute: 4:40

well, it's interesting. Because one thing I'd like about you that even know until I started doing the research, but you've said that you actually campaigned for Obama and you're just more upset about government corruption, which I agree with. I don't think that's a should be a political thing. I think that should be something that left and right agree on. Like, if there's corruption on either side, we need to expose that. I feel like that's a good thing.

Radix Verum: 5:06

Yes, exactly. And I've been, you know, I've been of the opinion for a long time that both parties are controlled by the same special interest in corporate donor groups. So for sure, we're just doing teams now, you know, it's the Lakers or whatever, and you pick a team if you want to participate in it or not. Well,

Chuck Shute: 5:27

yeah, because, I mean, why else would Dick Cheney be backing a Democrat? I mean, that's like, those, those two things do, and why would they accept his like,

Radix Verum: 5:36

they're campaigning together? Liz, and like, Oh yeah, yeah. That's

Chuck Shute: 5:40

a little bizarre. Maybe to the parties have switched, I don't know, but it just I, yeah, I thought, you know, I'm more like, remember the Democrats that were like the hippies, like the peace loving, like no war and all that. And that seems not the same, and it's very different. But anyway, so into this film that you've made that, I guess it's not available yet. So sorry, I was asking for a screener, but it's not even out yet. You're still getting funding to finish it.

Radix Verum: 6:08

Yes, exactly. This is like a massive project, just to kind of break it down for people who may not be aware of like, what goes into producing a documentary, it is a lot of work, but it also requires a lot of resources, and we're a team of three people that are doing this, which is insane to think of just that on its own as a major, I think, accomplishment. But basically, I knew I wasn't going to get anybody from any conservative media or anyone that was going to be interested in, like picking this up and funding it. So I, from the beginning, also wanted to have complete editorial control of the project in the film, because I think that that's only fair to give the story justice. And you've got 14 defendants, you have 20 unindicted co conspirators, and then you have four different trials that occurred, to federal, to state. So to put all of this into a film is a lot it. I don't live in Michigan. I live in Northern Virginia. So for me to go interview people, I have to travel. It cost me money. I had to go up and down the state of Michigan to visit these locations of interest, the different places that the FBI took people. And then, you know, just there were, I know, a lot of people don't know this, and we can get into this. It was bigger than Michigan. This was actually supposed to be a multi state plot. The FBI informant, Dan Chappell, was talking about to the guys, a big 15 state movement that they were trying to kick off this Boogaloo movement, where the FBI was hoping they could have multiple militia groups attacking multiple governors at the same time. So could you imagine if something like that actually happened in 2020 it's so it requires to tell this story is a lot of work. It's not just the 14 men themselves. It is the unindicted co conspirators, but it's also their family, right? So there's a lot of interviews that have to be done. Our computers couldn't even handle all of the terabytes and terabytes of data we amassed over the course of years that we've been working on this.

Chuck Shute: 8:20

Yeah, okay, so there's a lot right there to unpack. First of all, to

Radix Verum: 8:24

update the computers. My drone, we had an issue when we went up to elk rapids to do drone shots of the area. There was some kind of electronic interference, because our drones never done this before. It always before it hits the ground, it will hover and it like, recognizes it. It was going up over the lake, and it just went, it just like, stopped in mid air and went right down into the lake. We had people that were out on, like, their boat that actually went, oh, we'll go look for it and see if we can find it. For you, they could not find it. They looked around. They couldn't find it. So that was weird to get a new drone. Is always something.

Chuck Shute: 9:04

Yeah, it's so scary. Like, I was doing the research for this episode last night, and I had to stop, I had to take a break. Because I honestly, like, I got kind of scared, and it started like, making me get really paranoid. And I was like, I gotta, like, take a break from this because, I mean, it makes you so like, not trust people, like, even like. So you have these two people that are you're making the movie with, like, Did you vet them? Like, because then you started thinking, like, maybe they're FBI informants and they're gonna sabotage the whole thing. Like, I mean, you know what I mean? Like, you start going down that rabbit hole, and it gets kind of

Radix Verum: 9:34

scary. Well, one of them's my husband. I vetted him well before this.

Unknown: 9:39

Okay, that's good, but my

Radix Verum: 9:40

editor is fantastic, and he's, he's a great guy. He's actually was around before I started working on the documentary, just when I was a small time content creator and journalist. So he's, to me, is amazing. He's the person that cut that trailer, which is great trailer, great as it is. And he's doing really the heavy lift. Shifting there. And also part of it is he has put in his own money into this, and you know, on the promise that maybe it might make some money after it's a release, and you might get paid back, you might not. So to me, it's more like a passion project. To him, I don't have any worries about that, but I am very, very careful about who I allow onto my team because of this, and just covering the story in and of itself, I've had those moments like, what you described last night, of like, when you really see it, and it's in black and white, and it's actually in the documents, and you can't argue with this, you know, these are, these are the transcripts. It's all in here. Nobody reads this stuff. I've got volumes and volumes of the out of court statements. This is the stuff they didn't get to introduce into evidence, which hopefully they will when they get a new trial. But when you can see it in black and white, what they did how they did it, and then you see that the legal system itself allowed this to happen and facilitated it, and that you realize how controlled the whole thing is, that, I think, is the most terrifying aspect to it, because then you go, Well, if they can Do this to these guys who didn't do anything, why wouldn't they be able to do that to somebody like me? Well, that's,

Chuck Shute: 11:26

yeah, that's what I listening to, the interviews and stuff. And you guys, people talking about this and discussing it. I think there was something the book, what is it called? Book called three felonies. Somebody was talking about that and how, basically, everyone is three felonies away from being like, it's very and there's so many contradicting laws that it's like, almost impossible for you to not break the law. So if they want to come after you, they can easily find things that you've done wrong and arrest you.

Radix Verum: 11:55

Yes, exactly. And I think you know, just watching how this has happened, how it's played out and how it's playing out now, even as these men are trying to appeal, you you realize that everything is stacked against the regular person. Everything you thought you knew about the Constitution is like a lie. You know, the Constitution, I would say, was shredded a long time ago, probably back in 1913 if we want to be honest, but certainly after 911 and the passage of things like the Patriot Act, which allowed them to suspend your rights, they can suspend habeas corpus, they can indefinitely detain you without charge. We've got people that had been sitting in Guantanamo Bay, and I know that they're non American citizens, but it doesn't matter, because if they're doing it to foreigners, it's just down the line that they're going to do it to us. It was normalizing that first, right? Let's hold these guys in there who we claim were responsible for 911 the deaths of 3000 people, but we won't charge them, or have a trial or present any evidence to the American people, and we accepted this. And I think that is part of the reason why we are where we are today, is that this has been really almost 30 years of complete and utter chaos and the taking over, frankly, of the national security state of the entire federal government. You know, when you look at the FBI and the programs they have, they have something called the sensitive informant program. We learned about this through a man named Jesse trentadu, whose cousin Kenneth trentadu was actually murdered because they suspected him to be John Doe number two from OKC, right Oklahoma City, back in the day, and he has been engaged in suing the government and trying to get information, and really trying to figure out what happened to his brother who killed Kenneth trentadu. We want to know and why, I think we have a pretty good idea. But as part of his litigation, he's been engaged in numerous FOIA lawsuits with the federal government. We now know that the FBI has something they call the sensitive informant program, and that they can cultivate informants in the news media. So you can have somebody who's a mainstream media reporter that moonlights as a federal informant, but they're going to write commentary on a federal conspiracy case like this, I don't think so. You have people who could be a judge, who could be a clerk, who could be a district attorney or a prosecutor, and they can also moonlight as federal informants, as FBI informants, but these are the people who were supposed to trust to be impartial and fair, and indeed, when you actually look at these cases and how they all go, why would the government have a 99% conviction rate? Does that make sense statistically? No, nothing is 100% sure, except Christ, you know, if we want to go there, but in the real world, that's a statistical anomaly. You don't have. A 100% batting average, even if you're a talented, you know baseball player, this doesn't happen unless the entire system is designed to perpetuate itself, which is what it is that

Chuck Shute: 15:13

is some scary stuff. So you think that a lot of this came with the Patriot Act, but you said, you mentioned something 1913 is that? Is that the thing with the Federal Reserve? Or what happened in 1913

Radix Verum: 15:26

Yes, that's when we got the Federal Reserve. And now I would argue that a private entity, private banking cartel, is really the people in control of our country, because they're in control of printing our currency. Yeah, oh

Chuck Shute: 15:39

so young. Back to the I was because we got into the raid thing. But so the de banking thing, like, how does that? They just, Bank of America just sends you a letter and says we're no longer doing business with you, or something like, they did give you a check for your savings. Or, how does that? That's so weird.

Radix Verum: 15:53

No, they don't even do that. So we didn't get any notification that this was happening. It was not until I think we tried to use our card or something, that we realized it wasn't working, and we actually went into a physical branch location, because I thought, Oh, they there must have been a mistake, you know. And you know how it is. You can't call and get anybody on customer service, like, so we just went into the our local branch location, and like, the lady at the front thing, I'm going, oh, there's must be some kind of problem with my card. Can you look this up? And she's like, this account has been terminated, and she couldn't give me information. Why? Other than to say, the risk Department made the determination to end the business relationship, and they were not going to give me access to my funds. They said that I would get a check in the mail, and we don't know when that was going to occur, so it that's what they do. So did you ever get the check? No, no. How

Chuck Shute: 16:57

much was it? A lot of money.

Radix Verum: 16:59

Well, they ended up reversing their decision. Ah, okay, so, but we no longer bank with Bank of America, and no longer will use them. And I would like to plug Old Glory bank here, just to throw out there if anybody's had any problems with de banking, I've never heard of

Chuck Shute: 17:16

that is that kind of a small like Mom and Pop bank. There aren't a lot of those left. So

Radix Verum: 17:20

it actually was a physical branch location, I believe, in Oklahoma, that was purchased by a group of people. One of them is Dr Ben Carson, and a few other people that are more right leaning, who have been through canceling before, where they've been de banked and stuff. So they actually all came together, put their money together to actually purchase this bank that had a physical location that has been around since, I think, 1853 so it has a long history, and then they turned it into sort of like a more national bank. It's like an online bank, but they do have that physical location as well, which I think is very important, but they have actually written into their terms of service, you will not be discriminated against based on your religion or any political beliefs. I don't know of any other bank that does that. And they even have videos on the bank website where Dr Ben Carson is talking about being de banked, and how what that does to a person, how it can, like part your hurt, your life.

Chuck Shute: 18:19

Yeah, that's I didn't know Ben Carson was de banked, that's what. Yes, I didn't think of him as like, a super radical. That's No,

Radix Verum: 18:27

I know that's but that's because he, he campaigned for President Trump, so, and he's a a talented guy, so he had to be destroyed, you know, they had to come after him. But I don't think he really talked about it much. He's kind of the person who just quietly said, I

Chuck Shute: 18:42

did not know that then I did not know that that has happened again. Scary. I mean, if it can happen to a guy like that who's a doctor and like a very successful, smart guy, I mean, wow, why? Why couldn't they do it to guys like me? Scary?

Radix Verum: 18:56

It is. It's terrifying. Yeah, and this is where we are now. I mean, if you, if you deviate from the official narrative in any way, this is what happens to people, and it's not really, it does LEFT, RIGHT doesn't really matter. It tends to be more people on the right, just because, I think more people on the right descent from the official narrative. Yeah, because right now, the left is in power, right?

Chuck Shute: 19:20

Because then, you know, you think the narrative used to be, used to be more in the 90s, 80s and 90s, when I grew up, I feel like the narrative was more like, you know, Christian, and like, it was more conservative, and now the near the mainstream narrative has shifted, that a lot of like, it's a lot very anti Christian, and that Christians are bigots and and people on the right are racist, and that is like more of the narrative now, yeah,

Radix Verum: 19:45

I think back in the day, it used to be more sort of like evangelical Christian and more Neo conservative. You know, these were like the George Bush days and whatnot. But now I feel like that has changed. And you know, when I was young. When I was, like, a teenager, 17 years old, I was a leftist because I was against The Forever War. Yeah, I was against things like Guantanamo. Obama ran on shutting down Guantanamo, ending the Forever wars. Of course, he didn't do any of these things, but I campaigned for him because I that's I believe. I was like, Oh, wow, finally, somebody's gonna, you know, do the right thing here. And that didn't happen so well, it's also interesting. Why change? Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 20:30

he it's interesting too, because he bailed out the bank, the big banks, which I was like, oh, yeah, that would. And also he

Radix Verum: 20:36

signed in all the City Bank people to staff his administration, and

Chuck Shute: 20:40

he signed the dark Act, which I thought, okay, there's, there's a lot of issues that I'm very left on. And I thought for sure, like, you know, being transparent with the American people about, you know, food, whether it's bio engineered or it's organic and all that stuff should be like, that would be something that would be more left, like, more regulation on food. And they signed the dark act. So it's like people don't know if their food is bio engineered or whatever, and they don't have to legally label it, which is kind of to me, that's scary. I don't know what do we go down that whole rabbit hole that's another corruption and stuff. But anyways, back to the film. So this is such an interesting case, if you actually start digging into the weeds, it is because I just remember seeing the news story, and going, Oh my God. Like, and it was a month before the election, and just going, like, how embarrassing for conservatives. And just like, like, What a stupid thing. They're gonna kidnap the governor. Like, what was, what was the goal? Like, what did they sell the goal of this kidnapping plot to? Like, they're still going to kidnap the governor, and then, and then what like, and then they just that that was it. I mean, they were going to take charge

Radix Verum: 21:46

question, that's the question. And the story changes depending on which point in time we are because the government, they're constantly changing and updating the narrative. Their most recent filings in the appeals case, they're talking about things that never happened before were never mentioned before. They're bringing up railroad stations and like, you know, like the electrical grid, and it's like, where is this coming from? You didn't mention this for, you know, the past four years at the past four trials, but now during the appeal, all of a sudden, the story changes, and that has been from the beginning. What's happened? Initially, they said that this was a plot to kidnap and kill Gretchen Whitmer. Then the story changed to, this was a plot to overthrow the entire federal government and kick off the Boogaloo, a federal fabrication. Explain,

Chuck Shute: 22:33

explain that term. You've mentioned that before, the Boogaloo. So is that actually from break into Electric Boogaloo the film? Like, that's where they picked up that term. Like,

Radix Verum: 22:42

it's a meme, yeah, so the meme that was probably seeded by the government, like, if we're being honest, but from what I understand it to be, the meme is, like, it's a bunch of pro to a people who see where the country was going and saw Civil War as something that was inevitable, right? They see that we're in a slow motion collapse, and so their thought is, this is something I need to prepare for, not that they want to bring it about, okay? Cause it to happen, yes, but like, kind of

Chuck Shute: 23:17

like a doomsday prepper, but also including Yes, potential like that as a potential threat, because so many things can happen in the Doomsday, water, food, but also, yeah, a war or something. And it even made that movie, civil war. It just came out as a major motion motion picture.

Radix Verum: 23:32

Yes, exactly. But so that was sort of like, I guess, where this started. Where it began was people joking about the Boogaloo being this, oh, the Civil War. And then there's sort of the more accelerationist minded individuals who perceive that the country is broken beyond repair. And in their mind, they want to help accelerate the collapse, because they believe that once it collapses, then we can fix things and restore, you know, the country to what it was, which I think is honestly a pipe dream. If the country collapses, I think we're balkanizing. And just look at what's happened in the past to other countries where this has happened, you're not going to magically take over power and then restore the Constitution. But that was the thinking. Was that what the situation now as it stands as intolerable. So if something does contribute to the collapse, not that people want to do that, but they view it as a good thing rather than a bad thing. Of like, let's just, you know, get the show on the road. I guess that's their thinking. But I never really saw anybody, and I'm not really part of, like, Pro two way groups. I'm not in a militia or like a firearms person. I'm a mom in my basement, but I am somebody who cares about our rights, and I do care about having the right to protect and defend myself, especially as a woman and a mother, and firearms are right, the great equalizer, right? So I appreciate that, but I've never come across. Somebody that was like, oh, yeah, I want to kick off a civil war. I never met anybody who was even interested, because most people understand, like, how awful that would be, truly, in a situation like that, where you have to be worried about your neighbors could be the other side, like, you'd never want to be in a situation where there's an actual conflict in an urban environment, in a situation like this, because very quickly everybody would be suffering. Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 25:31

it's different when back in the day, they had the Civil War, because I think it was more organized like the people that in the south believe this, and the people in the North. But now we have, you know, people who are Republicans and Democrats, they're in every state, they're spread. I mean, I don't know how that would even it doesn't really make sense to me that I don't see a civil war as a thing that would, ha, I feel like it would just be some sort of thing that might, it might happen for like, a day, and then would it would end. Because I just don't see how that could be a long term thing like and I don't think enough people could get rattled up, because, like you said, nobody wants that on either side. I don't think that would make

Radix Verum: 26:02

sense. I think there are a few people who like to talk hard and like to pretend for Internet clout that they do. But I think deep down, like if they were actually put in that situation, very quickly, you would want that situation to end. If it did happen at all, the only people

Chuck Shute: 26:16

that want the Civil War are like water China and Russia and the other countries that, well,

Radix Verum: 26:21

that's the other thing. As soon as the civil conflict happens in America, it's just a matter of time before one of these foreign powers decides to take advantage of the chaos and the opportunity that would present to maybe back one side or another. And then how would it even, how would you organize? How would there be sides who organized this, who it just it? None of it makes sense. But this was the narrative, though, from the government that these guys who live out in the country in Jackson County, Michigan, who are poor, working class chimney sweeps, they were going to somehow overthrow the federal government. It's nonsensical, on its face, it's insulting and embarrassing that it's in federal court documents, but this is where we are as a nation, and I think it reflects poorly on the FBI, the DOJ, the Michigan State Police and everybody else who participated in the hoax. So the story is constantly changing, depending on whatever their narrative is. That day they during one of the state trials, they were blaming the guys for lone wolf shooters and all these other random things that had nothing to do with the case. So that's really where we are, is that they claim they wanted to first kidnap Gretchen Whitmer from her vacation cottage, and then they said they were gonna, you know, drive her out into the lake and leave her in the middle of Lake Michigan to inconvenience her security detail. Oh, yeah, and who is the one, okay? Does this sound serious to anybody,

Chuck Shute: 27:59

but who is the one that said, I want her hog tied on the table, like a like, we just made a big drug bust or something like that. Yeah,

Radix Verum: 28:07

Adam. Adam was the the guy they framed as the ring leader. He was homeless at the time this happened. He was living in the basement of a vacuum repair shop. You know. He didn't have any resources, but and he didn't have a lot of friends, so of course, the FBI set upon him with numerous informants and actual undercover agents to befriend him, to induct him into a fake militia group created by the FBI, and to just try to get him stoned and animated, because they knew he was doing steroids, and they knew that they could get him to kind of talk about things, right? And you think that you're among friends, you know, what was going on around the country with the lockdowns. People were upset and angry, especially at Gretchen Whitmer. And rightfully so. So, yes, he made a comment about how, oh yeah, you know, we should grab, you know, grab her from her vacation cottage, and then, you know, we should hogtire to the table, and we all stand around or posing like we just did the world's biggest drug bust. He also said they should fly her over the lake on a kite. Does anybody think that that was a plausible thing, like a real plan, a real criminal conspiracy, to fly her over the lake on a kite. So

Chuck Shute: 29:25

how close did they actually get to doing any of the I mean, other than they bought the weapons and things. But they never actually, like, did they actually get in the van and try to drive out there? When did they go? Okay, FBI or no.

Radix Verum: 29:38

So at no point did anybody take any overt acts and furtherance of the criminal conspiracy? What people did have was things that they already had before the FBI met them and introduced them to each other at all, which is that they were all part of kind of local militia groups. And you know, Adam had been part of like the. Michigan Home Guard. So he had his own firearms, a plate carrier, the things and gear that you would need, which, by the way, was all legally purchased and owned. There was nothing illegal about that. And so what the FBI actually did, I'll have to go back to kind of explain how this starts, right, how it begins because, right? Because

Chuck Shute: 30:21

they joined this militia group called The Wolverine watchman, which, I thought you said on Facebook, it had like 15 people in it. So, yeah, you know, I'm not against the FBI having informants on groups that they might deem dangerous or a threat to democracy, like, if there is a militia with 100,000 people, I mean, that is a little bit scary, but a militia with 15 people, like, why is why is this their target? I mean, this makes no sense to me.

Radix Verum: 30:48

Well, that's the million dollar question. Is that actually it wasn't even a militia group at the time. So what ended up? What actually happened, and what we know now happened, and what I can say happened, and, of course, you'll learn more in the documentary, is that the at no point, like when you think of traditional law enforcement sting operations, you're thinking that there's somebody engaging in criminal activity. The FBI or law enforcement would use an informant to basically act as an observer, as a listening post for law enforcement to report back what's going on, not to organize and orchestrate everything and frame people who aren't doing what they're what you say that they're doing, and not introduce people to each other, because that's what really happened. So if we go back to who are the two main informants here, there's a man named Steve Robison who is a convicted child sex offender. This is a pedophile. This is somebody who has a history of being a criminal going back to at least the 80s. He's got numerous charges on him of sexual assault, bail jumping, fraud, etc, etc. And so this is someone with a lengthy criminal record who had previously worked with the FBI in the 80s, informing on somebody who was in a biker gang that he was incarcerated with, who he claimed, you know, told him that he burned down a bar while there was somebody in it, so this would have been homicide. So

Chuck Shute: 32:23

this isn't an FBI agent. An informant is just a regular guy or a formal criminal that they're using as like a so he's just acting as an he's pretending to be into this. But he's actually not even an FBI agent. He's just an informant.

Radix Verum: 32:37

He's right. So I want to stress this about informants is that most of them are criminals, and they're doing this to get off on their charges, right? So by setting up and helping to frame somebody else, they can look at less time for them. So if we look at somebody like Steve Robison, this career criminal, literal pedophile, sex offender, freak, weirdo, has a history of crimes and, of course, has private previous history of informing for the government, you know, being in biker gangs and whatnot. He that's who they use, that they're using and cultivating criminals. I want people to understand this, and then they're putting them with so you have a convicted sex offender, and you put them around men who have children, and you don't allow those people to know that this is a child sex offender. And in fact, the FBI cleaned his record because they knew militia groups run background checks on people before they allow them around their families, and so they actually took that information from his criminal record, removed it even in their own internal reporting, they do not mention his child's sex offense. How did that come out there disturbing? Well, because the actual charge does still exist, and it ended up coming out when the truth about his involvement came out in this, people were able to dig deeper into this and see that actually he does have this offense. Okay, so, so

Chuck Shute: 34:03

there's him, and then there's Dan Chappell and Jenny plunk. Are the three. There's the three informants, and then there's two actual that are FBI agents, Mark Schweers and Timothy Bates. So then, now, once all five of those people, they're exposed, right? So people know what they you could Google their picture or something like then they can never do this again. And so

Radix Verum: 34:23

that no, no, no, no, no. So Dan Chappell, he was the other main informant that they use. This is a guy who was an Iraq war veteran. Very hard to find information about him online or any pictures of him. I think I was able to find a few. But that's it. He. He keeps a very low profile. It's very interesting that you're going to learn that Dan is not who he appeared. But also, there was more than just Jenny, plunk, Dan and Steve and then the undercovers. There was actually 12 informants that they utilized. We still don't even know the identities of half of them. They. Just referred to them as a number because they didn't testify at trial. Their names did not come out. So those people could still be active right now. Probably are in militia groups right now, yeah,

Chuck Shute: 35:10

because those ones were doing and that's the thing, is, like they don't want to blow their cover. And then that isn't that the argument too. About January 6. There's a lot of video evidence from that that has not been released because they don't want to blow the cover of they said, possibly, I don't know how many FBI informants were there, but it was a lot, right?

Radix Verum: 35:30

Yes, I would say at least what I know from will Pope's court filings. He's somebody who is a j6 A representing himself pro se. He's identified at least, I believe, 50 different various undercovers from FBI, DHS, MPD, so that's quite a lot, and that's that's just what we know about. There's probably more than that. And I would suggest that if we look at the Whitmer case, and look what they were doing leading up to that, leading up to January 6, we can see that the FBI had and some kind of operation going back to 2018 to infiltrate the Midwest militia scene. I believe they may have created something called the Midwest coalition, where they were trying to create a coalition of bring together these militia groups in the Midwest to again, the narrative that the government wants to create is the idea that these militia groups are coming together, they're organizing and they're planning things right. We just heard a story that was turned out to be complete and utter BS, where they were claiming our militia groups were threatening FEMA workers in North Carolina, this turned out to be one mentally ill individual who suffered from schizophrenia, who called in a threat. There were no armed militia groups roving around, threatening FEMA workers. But this was the narrative that the media ran with for two weeks before this story was debunked, and now they've moved on to their next one, they're clearly trying to criminalize militia, because the militia are the people who are going to stand between you and federal tyranny when the government decides that they're going to have standing armies, going door to door, disarming people, or whatever it is that they plan to do. Well, yeah, it's interesting,

Chuck Shute: 37:17

because they just changed, didn't they just change the law? Do? D directive gave us military power to kill us citizens on US soil if they protest government policy. Or, I mean, if

Radix Verum: 37:29

it's during a time of what the government calls a national emergency, or, yeah, so maybe there's like a natural disaster, like a hurricane Helene or something, then that gives them kind of the ability to invoke this and say, hey, you know, we need to go after these people. But they've also introduced the Preventing private paramilitary activity act of 2024 which was meant to criminalize militia activity. And really the Whitmer case was designed to do that as well. They labeled them gang, a gang, a gang because they had five or more people with similar ideas and goals. What does this mean? So your rotary club could now be a gang. The women playing bingo could now be considered a gang. Any you know, any group that you have, like, if you have your fantasy football group, oh, are you now a gang? I mean, five or more people that have a family? Yeah, my family has all similar beliefs and goals. Are we now a gang? Well, is

Chuck Shute: 38:35

there any sort of truth to militias organizing around the country that I am scheming up ideas to overthrow the government. Is there any truth to that?

Radix Verum: 38:46

No. And in fact, if we look at the Whitmer case, a sort of like a as a microcosm of what's going on in the country, what you actually find is that it was the federal government who was trying to organize militia groups, and actually was creating fake militia groups.

Chuck Shute: 39:02

Isn't that entrapment, or is that illegal? Is there, is there some sort of law against that?

Radix Verum: 39:07

Yeah, technically, it's entrapment, but there's they, they get away with this stuff. I mean, how many guys have been acquitted in this case, and not one agent has been held accountable, not one has been admonished. The only one who was suspended from the FBI was the one who beat his wife and tried to kill her. So who do

Chuck Shute: 39:26

Who do you think is behind the whole thing, like, who is the ring leader of the FBI scheme to infiltrate militias, or whatever? Do you know who that might be? Or have a theory?

Radix Verum: 39:38

No, I believe this. This is actually a policy that's been in place for a very long time within the leadership of the FBI, that these are the groups we don't like. I know that the FBI is actually trained by the ADL, the anti Defamation League, and they have for a long time tried to paint Christians and militia and Pro to a people as you. Know, anti semitic conspiracy theory. You know, terrorist, right wing, terrorist extremists, whatever these are, the people train. Why is the ADL training the FBI? First of all, the ADL is not a law enforcement agency. It's a private special interest group, and it has no business training federal law enforcement, but lo and behold, they're not just training law enforcement, they're training local law enforcement as well. So they're training police, they're training FBI. A lot of them are bringing in former IDF soldiers to train police and military techniques and tactics. We could look at Derek Chauvin, who did the the knee hold on. George Floyd, yeah, that that is taught by IDF soldiers, that restraint technique. So I look at this stuff, and I go, I see what's going on. I see that you're being trained by people who are not only conducting a genocide in the Middle East, but people who celebrate this kind of activity like they believe that this is a good thing, and they see people as enemy combatants. They're training our law enforcement to view American citizens as enemy combatants in a war. Think about that. Okay, so didn't used to have militarized police. Like, yeah, like the police were supposed to be part of the community. They're not supposed to view everybody as a potential enemy combatant. But that's, that's the goal was, to take everything from the global war on terror and then turn that inward against the American people. So now we have former CIA Director John Brennan and many others, Michael Hayden, former NSA CIA guy, who are saying that the greatest threat America faces isn't the foreign threat. It's not foreign terrorists. It's the insider threat they claim, which apparently is Maga. What do they call the Maga extremists, or something? They have names for things all the time. Well, they're

Chuck Shute: 42:04

calling them Nazis now they're calling now they're not the Nazi rally because you now you had a rally at Mount Madison Square Garden, and so did Hitler in 1939 so yeah, they went to exactly the same

Radix Verum: 42:17

so obviously it must be the same thing, even though we had Howard lutnic Get up there, and the first thing he said is that we are going to crush jihad, and I'm going, America is not facing a threat of jihad. What? What is the relevance of this? And first of all, were you not the CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald, when 911 happened, why did you get advanced warning not to go into the north tower that day, who gave you that advance warning? And then after, when 600 victims from Cantor Fitzgerald died in the World Trade Center, why did you take the settlement money that they were supposed to get and you did not give that as compensation to the victims families, you kept it for your shareholders and yourself, where you yourself were the biggest shareholder. So that's Howard lutnic, who was the first person, I believe, that opened that rally that they call a Nazi rally. I don't know how many Nazis care about crushing jihad, but that, to me, is hilarious. Well, yeah,

Chuck Shute: 43:14

and they had a, they actually had a Holocaust survivor there as well. And I saw a bunch of Israel flags. And, I mean, I saw people from all different backgrounds, and I think people are there for different reasons, and I don't know, but it makes you question, like, all this stuff, like, it's so funny, like, the psyop thing is so interesting to me now, because you'll see these people in brown pants and blue shirts and masks, and they'll be, you know, like, I don't know, like, a Nazi flag or something. And then everyone on Twitter, x or whatever it's called, they'll, they'll post a video and say, Oh, FBI, psyop, psyop. And like everyone's calling it out, whether it is or isn't, I don't know, but it's something that 10 years ago, if I saw that, I never would have thought the FBI is is pretending to do these things. Why would they do that? And now I question at all. I question it

Radix Verum: 44:01

all. Well, I will. So there's a lot of information here to break down, and it's very complex, but I'll give an example that I think you might find interesting. And find

Chuck Shute: 44:12

all this interesting. You you know so much about this. It's amazing. This

Radix Verum: 44:16

touches on why the FBI might have, you know, a an incentive to do this, I would say that from the founding of the FBI, they have been a political police force from the beginning, right? We know J Edgar Hoover maintained blackmail files on numerous politicians, and he bought them off. We also know he himself was being blackmailed by the mafia. So there's that, but so keep this in mind that the FBI is really like the domestic it's the American KGB. It is the sword and shield of the party. The party being the unit, party being the security state, which I would say is really unconstitutional. We do not need to have 17 intelligence. It's a permanent bureaucracy. They're there no matter who's in charge of the White House. Presidents from different parties come and go every four years, but the security state remains, and they laugh and joke about the control and power they have. Um, Chuck Schumer was bragging about how they have six ways from Sunday of getting back at you, he was saying that to Trump when they were launching their Russia gate hoax, when they were the election deniers in 2016 and tried to tell everybody that Russia stole the election, which was nonsensical, but here we are. So if we look at the FBI organizationally, they've expanded a lot. You know, they were initially created to basically assist state and local law enforcement in their attempts to go after organized crime, because the mafia had become so powerful, they kind of needed to have a Federal Coordinating agency. So ostensibly, the FBI was brought in to shut down organized crime. Now we know the FBI was being blackmailed by organized crime, and essentially was going after their enemies, right? And so this is something that people need to understand from the beginning. This is what's going on. And then the mafia actually helped with World War Two, help the US intelligence community. So these relationships exist between organized crime. They also use them for smuggling and things of this nature that you know was going on. The CIA has been drug running, and, you know, smuggling drugs in the bodies of GIS and crazy stuff. So this is happening. And then the FBI. They exist to perpetuate their own existence, and they have to justify why they why we still need them. Why do we need to have the FBI when we now have things like DHS, we've got, again, 17 different intelligence agencies. Why are they necessary? We already have state and local law enforcement. We have the US marshals. Why do we need the FBI? Well, I'm sure the FBI wants to be able to explain to Congress why they're needed. Why do you need to continue to fund us and, in fact, expand the budget and expand the bureau? They have to show that they are doing things. So for the FBI, in many cases, it's good for them to inflate threats so that they can claim they're needed to go after that threat. You know, post 911 we were all told that there was this big Jihad threat, big ISIS al Qaeda threat, you know? Oh, it's the enemy within. That's they were using it for that too, you know? And so they, they sold this idea that they needed to stop these Islamic terrorists. Well, where were these Islamic terrorists prior to this? They just magically show up. What like? That doesn't make any sense. And then the more you look into, every single one of these so called Islamic terror attacks or even school shootings, you always end up finding a connection to the FBI, whether it's an informant or an undercover agent that somebody is in contact with. So I would suggest that now, if we look at the Whitmer case itself, to give a look, quick rundown of what actually happened, the FBI was investigating these people, or they were running informants at them before their investigation begins, before it begins, they're already influencing these people. They're befriending them. They're having informants reach out to them. And didn't

Chuck Shute: 48:40

they pick people that are typically low IQ and or emotionally vulnerable? Like they're not picking, like I said, they're not picking the guy that has 100,000 followers on Facebook. That's the head of this already massive group. They picked a guy who had joined a group of 15 or whatever, like this, who's living in a vacuum repair shop basement or something?

Radix Verum: 49:03

Yeah. I mean, I would suggest they go after people who are naive and vulnerable and people who have little resources. So their hope and their goal is that if, when they do arrest these people because they don't have any resources, that they they'll just take a plea deal and the case won't go to trial, and nobody will find out what they did. And that's I think I would suggest that happens a lot of the time, because the federal government, the way that they do things, is they they come at you with the full weight and force of the US government. Think about this, the world's most powerful empire that we've ever seen. Think about the power the United States has, its ability to project power across the world that is coming down on a regular person who lives in the basement of a vacuum repair shop, and they tell you that you're going to face all these terrorism charges and you could, you're going to you're looking at. In prison. And then they tell you they've got a 98% conviction rate. And then they tell you your best bet is to do a deal. And then they tell you, you know everybody else is talking. You're the only one that hasn't spilled the beans yet. You better talk to us and take a deal, because everybody else is they can lie to you and tell you these things to try to trick you, and most people can't withstand that kind of pressure, right? It's scary. You're sitting there in handcuffs, and you have these Feds telling you you're going to spend your life in prison, and that they basically win every case they have, and everybody else is turned on you, and they really try to manipulate you. And there we know that law enforcement has gotten innocent people to confess to crimes they never committed just to make interrogations end because they're using these psychological techniques to break people down that they've perfected over time. So I think that that's very concerning, but think about it this way, the FBI does not have to have probable cause, so if my local Fairfax County police wanted to open an investigation on me, there has to be some kind of evidence that I'm engaging in criminal activity. They can't just say we don't like the things she says. We don't like her opinions in the fact that she writes articles or makes videos, so we're going to start investigating her. That's not how law enforcement works, and that's not how our constitution works. They would have to get probable you know, have probable cause, show it to a judge in order to get a warrant to surveil me or do whatever it is that they want to do now for the FBI, they don't have these same checks and balances the FBI. If they receive an anonymous tip, they claim they have to open an intelligence assessment or a threat assessment, and so there's, there's a different threshold for opening an investigation into somebody, whereas, like I said, law enforcement has to have actual probable cause that there's actually something happening. The FBI can investigate you for what they call anti government conspiracy theories. They say that people who have anti government views are extremists. So they when you look at the files on these guys, of what, why they opened investigations on them. It says militia extremism or anti government extremism. So these are thought crimes. Hello, pre crime, thought crime. This is insane. Or they say some, some anonymous person reached out to us with a tip, and so we have to look into it. This is all horsesh, by the way, it's all lies, and I'm going to just flat out say it, they shouldn't be allowed to do this. And I think that if the American people knew how many of these intelligence assessments they've opened on people and for how little it is for things you're saying online, perfectly protected First Amendment activity, they would be disgusted and shocked, but this is what the FBI does, and scary. They they took a group of people that didn't know each other, and they introduced them to one another. Barry Croft, he was framed as a ring leader and a spiritual leader. How were you the spiritual leader of a fake kidnapping plot like nobody's sitting around in turbans, praying like the spiritual leader. Because they made this up because of the blind Sheik, which they at Barry sentencing, compared him to. And there's no comparison, first of all, but even the blind chic, there's questions about, again, these connections to US intelligence, like how al Qaeda was trained by the CIA and armed by the CIA, and then they morph, you know, into this so called terrorist group. But it's like, no, actually, you just trained and armed those people in the 80s to fight against the Soviet Union, and now you claim that they're anti American doesn't even make sense. It's just so stupid on its face, this was the lie to get us into these Middle East forever wars that don't benefit America, I would suggest. But in any case, so the FBI takes Barry, who's a middle aged trucker that lives in bear Delaware, and now all of a sudden he's part of a plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer. Why? What's Barry's motivation? Well, they say, Oh, they were so angry about these lockdowns that they would have gone after any politician, you know, and it's like, actually, Barry liked his governor, that Delaware didn't have the same kind of lockdowns that Michigan experienced, and also during the course of the FBI investigation, during the summer of 2020, we know that Barry met Senator Doug Mastriano at the at a cemetery in civil war. I think it was Gettysburg. He actually met him, shook his hand so. So Barry was armed at that point, if he just wanted to harm politicians, and he would have done any, you know, harmed anyone he could get close to. Well, he had the opportunity, and he didn't do anything. So the narrative here is nonsense.

Chuck Shute: 55:14

Well, something that, according to the recordings, he was, claimed that he was granted permission from God to commit murder. So this guy's he's got some issues. Then

Radix Verum: 55:23

Barry, no. Barry was taught, if you listen to the context of what that conversation is, this is after the FBI has gotten him intoxicated, and they're talking to him about hypothetical situations of a civil war scenario. They're talking about in a shit hits the fan situation, what would you do? And then he goes on this extended rant where he talked about how he would, he'd kill a cop, put on the cops uniform, and kill a fed. He also said things that were just completely nonsensical. He said he talked about walking on the ceiling. He said that he had run secret service details off the road with his truck. I This didn't happen. It never occurred. He never ran a secret service detail off the road. These are just things he said when he was emotional and being goaded by multiple federal informants. So it's not anybody doing an actual plan to do anything? Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 56:23

So it seems like they kind of trick these people into there's a

Radix Verum: 56:27

dichotomy, too. I would say this is something that is really important that people need to pay attention to. There's a difference between things people say and what they actually do. So Barry was surveilled for eight months before the investigation even begins, an intelligence threat assessment was opened on him in April of 2019. Actually out of the Dallas field office. Even though Barry doesn't live in Texas, he lives in fair Delaware, like I said, so for eight months, they followed him around every single day, and he doesn't do anything. He's taking care of his kids. What he does is he talks a lot because as a truck driver, he's sitting in his truck all day and he has nothing else to do. So he gets on the phone with these informants and he says stupid things, but that's anybody can say something. What are they actually doing, though? Right? You know. And so

Chuck Shute: 57:21

why did they target these specific, whatever, however many people, 1315, people, whatever it was, 14. Is it just because they all joined that Facebook group? Or, like you said that they brought them from different parts? So they were, some of them in different groups, and then they, like, connected,

Radix Verum: 57:36

no. So some of them weren't even in any group. Like Adam at the time was not in a militia group. He had been kicked out of the Michigan Home Guard, so he's not part of any militia group. He gets brought in by Dan Chappell, who tries to convince Joe Morrison, who was a leader of the Wolverine watchman, that he should bring him in, you know, and then the FBI actually inducts Adam into a Michigan chapter of a fake militia group that doesn't exist outside of the FBI fabrications. This was a militia group called The Patriot three percenters United States. So this is a fake national militia group where they had their pedophile informant posing as a National Commander of this fake group, and he told Adam, you're going to be head of the Michigan chapter. He gave Adam business cards, which the FBI seized as evidence when they raided the back shack. So again, that's literally planting evidence on somebody to be used against them later. That is what they did. They told him he needed to recruit people into the Michigan chapter of a fake militia group. The only people he recruited was his girlfriend, Amanda Keller, who started working with the FBI herself during the course of this investigation, a man named what's Sean fix who was pretending to be a Navy SEAL at the time, he is not a Navy SEAL. He's just a guy that does Stolen Valor. So this is who Adam recruited into his fake militia group. And

Chuck Shute: 59:11

why did they target these specific

Radix Verum: 59:13

the FBI? Yeah, Sean fix then Dan Chappell, the main informant, Mark Schweers, an undercover FBI agents. So the entire group, basically, besides Adam and Sean fix, is FBI or FBI informant. That's crazy. There's

Chuck Shute: 59:32

more informants and agents than there is criminals. Or,

Radix Verum: 59:36

yeah, there's no criminals in this except the FBI no throughout, yeah, the course of those except, yeah, Richard trast, the FBI agent who beat his wife and tried to kill her. So

Chuck Shute: 59:47

why did they target these committed a crime? I mean, they couldn't, like, I said, Why didn't they target, like, some of these bigger groups with the people that are the head of those groups, like, is it just like, they'll just take a tip, and they're just like, All right, let's just run with like, do they have a. Of people to choose from that they could, you know, kind of pull this kind of a deal on.

Radix Verum: 1:00:05

Well, I would say that the FBI has maintained informants in many of these groups long term, right? They don't want to get some of these bigger groups caught up and stuff like this, because that would take away the access that they have. They're actually leading a lot of these big militia groups, like I said, in 2018 the FBI, what we from, what we understand, approached militia groups and told them that they needed to turn over membership rosters into a cloud database. Many people said, I don't want to do this, and the FBI was trying to pressure them. So many of those people stepped down from leadership positions around 2018, 2019, and we believe it's at that time that the FBI put their informants into many of these leadership positions in these groups. And so they're keeping them open because they can continue to use these groups to funnel people in to create these fake plots at the lower level. They want to keep the main group going though they also want to keep the idea that these groups exist, going, yeah. They want to scare people to think that there are all these, you know, national militia groups, or there's these militia groups and they're going to come together to do something. So

Chuck Shute: 1:01:13

are they doing the same thing with the far left? Are they doing Antifa and or, you know, whatever? Because, like, there, there was a lot more incidents, I would say that I saw personally that were more like Antifa, BLM Movement, you know, buildings being burned down and riots. And, you know, our mall down the street was looted, I mean, and I guess they're still in these groups, yeah, so they're in those groups as well. They're on both teams.

Radix Verum: 1:01:38

But I want to say this, and this is the, you know what we you could look at COINTELPRO and Pat con. We know about COINTELPRO because most of those cases went to trial. So we heard about COINTELPRO. What's COINTELPRO? COINTELPRO was the an FBI counter intelligence operation in the 60s and 70s to infiltrate left wing anti war groups and then kind of, you know, radicalize them. What have you, is that, like the Black Panther thing and stuff, yes, yes. So that's COINTELPRO, and everyone knows about that. They had the same thing aimed at Christian identity groups and right wing militias. It was called Pat con that stood for Patriot conspiracy, much less well known because a lot of this never went to trial, because the groups that they infiltrated weren't engaging in the same acts that the left wing groups were. They weren't going out and committing acts of terrorism or something that would lead to a prosecution where we would get disclosure from discovery about pack on. So we never heard about Pat con until 2007 and very little about it has actually come out. What we do know from it, we know John Matthews was a pat con informant, and he has said that there were at least 20 Pat con operations. He said Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, were all part of Pat con. So that kind of paints a little bit of a picture here. So I would suggest that they're actually on both sides now, with Antifa and BLM, most of those the riots the Chaz, remember they made an autonomous zone out in Seattle?

Chuck Shute: 1:03:18

Yeah, I'm from Seattle originally. I live in Phoenix now, but I'm from Seattle, and I was just like, so embarrassed of my home city. I'm like, What is going on here? But

Radix Verum: 1:03:25

that did not lead to actual prosecutions. A lot of those people, they they let them off, or they give them low level charges, so it's not going into the court system in the way you might expect, like a big terrorism case would, where you would learn about how many informants were there, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, with a lot of the Antifa and BLM stuff, I think that they've been able to conceal that. So for the Whitmer case, I'll just make a connection here, one of the guys that one of the undercover agents, who was introduced towards the end of this in October. No, I'm sorry, it was August, August of 2020 when they wanted to start wrapping this up for October. To do their October surprise, they introduced undercover Agent Timothy Bates, who was posing as red an explosives expert. Now, the same agent we know was part of a plot, a BLM plot. He'd infiltrated the Denver BLM Movement, and he was posing as an explosives expert, once again, trying to get BLM protesters to do a plot to assassinate the Attorney General of Colorado. Is the same agent that was used in the Whitmer case.

Unknown: 1:04:40

Oh my gosh. I

Radix Verum: 1:04:43

days trying to get BLM to assassinate the Attorney General of Colorado. During the same time, he's also infiltrated these militia groups and is trying to get them to do plots to kidnap and kill governor. And

Chuck Shute: 1:04:59

this is all. Those files that you showed me earlier.

Radix Verum: 1:05:03

Yeah, this is all documented. It's been reported on, not just by myself, but even by left wing reporters. It wasn't the BuzzFeed.

Chuck Shute: 1:05:12

So why is one of the intercept? Daniel Harris, he was one of the participants, and he had attended a BLM protest as well. What was the story there?

Radix Verum: 1:05:23

So many of these guys did. They were not actually like right wingers in any sense. They were more libertarian, and the Wolverine watchmen were sort of like a prepping group before the FBI got involved. Like the Wolverine watchman was created by Joe Morrison in November 2019, as a Facebook page. It was a Facebook group, not an actual physical, real world group. It was a Facebook group that had, it was a private group. It had maybe 15 people in it. And the idea was, was that there are a bunch of guys that live out in the rural area of Jackson County, Michigan, so if something happens to you out there, it's maybe an hour before you can get to a hospital. It could be an hour before law enforcement shows up to your house that there's a home invasion or something happening. And seeing the riots that were happening, seeing these lockdowns, their idea was, let's create a prepping group of people in our kind of area, where we can sort of exchange, like notes, right or skills. So you might have some somebody who's good at medical stuff, like Paul Beller. He had gone, he had been in the army, so he could teach some medical things. He could teach people how to tie a tourniquet or whatever. Maybe Joe was good at mechanical stuff, so he could teach this thing that was sort their idea was just to take their skills and kind of teach each other what they have, and then to be able to have a group that, hey, if something happens and I need you to come up to my house, you you can show up to help. That was the idea of the Wolverine watchman. It was we. We see what's happening to our country. We see that the police doesn't show up when BLM is burning down a city and looting stores and going on this campaign of destruction, law enforcement does nothing, and they even were telling people that they weren't going to show up if they were calling during some of these times. So the the watchmen were saying, we need to be we need to have people that, if this comes to my neighborhood, God forbid, right, a group of looters and rioters come into our neighborhood to try to attack our homes. They wanted to have people that they could kind of assemble together to stand in defense of that, to say, No, you're not going to loot this house. You know, we're going to stand and defend it. That was the idea of the Wolverine watchman. And it wasn't really a real militia group in any actual sense. They were not holding FTX is which stands for field training exercise until the FBI took over the group. So by March of 2020, Dan Chappell has assumed control of the Wolverine watchman on behalf of the FBI, he becomes the executive officer the XO, the person that is conducting tactical training, and the FBI is saying, train them to be more lethal. Basically, take a bunch of guys that were rolling around in the backyard in Jackson County and start training them like you would train somebody in the military. What

Chuck Shute: 1:08:33

if this got out of control, like, what if they did something without the informants or the undercover agents there, and then somebody actually died,

Radix Verum: 1:08:43

yeah, right? Or, what if an accident happened during one of these trainings or something,

Chuck Shute: 1:08:47

because they were messing with explosives too, right? Wasn't that part of it?

Radix Verum: 1:08:51

Not really. I mean, what do you call an explosive firework and pennies? Or, I

Chuck Shute: 1:08:56

don't even, yeah,

Radix Verum: 1:08:57

taping fire, taping pennies to a presidential firework that you buy at the store. Was

Chuck Shute: 1:09:03

another thing too, where they they were giving them credit cards so that they would purchase like, a certain number of like ambitions. So then

Radix Verum: 1:09:11

that offered, yeah, they offered the use of they were offering them, what they were telling them was prepaid credit cards that had a $5,000 limit on this was associated with a fake charity, fake 501, c3, charity that the pedophile, Steve Robeson, the informant, was running called Race to unite races,

Chuck Shute: 1:09:32

and that's under like with FBI, like permission or something, or yes,

Radix Verum: 1:09:36

of course, the FBI, at every step of the way, was monitoring in real time like nobody was ever in danger because the sheer resources that the FBI was using, which,

Chuck Shute: 1:09:49

by the way, how much did this cost? We think, $6 million of taxpayer money, yes, yes,

Radix Verum: 1:09:55

absolutely. They had planes flying at 15,000 feet. Um. Doing aerial surveillance. Think about that. The how much money it costs to run a plane like

Chuck Shute: 1:10:05

these. This guy that was living in a vacuum repair basement, that's what I just can't get out. This is not some sort of mastermind Al Capone or like some gangster that had like an empire under him. This is a guy living in a basement who's unemployed. I mean, it's just, it's kind of mind boggling when you think about

Radix Verum: 1:10:22

it. It was being laughed at by the other members of the group who were calling him Captain autism, who did not think he had the same level of skills that they had, and thought really that having him there was sort of dead weight. But of course, because Adam was on steroids at the time, he was very excitable and very naive. Why was he taking steroids and speak, you know, a little bit too freely, because he he enjoyed so it's a long story, but basically, he'd gone through some hard times. He'd gone through a divorce. He was living in the basement of the back shack with his dog, Bruno, and he the only thing that he really had that he liked and enjoyed was going to the gym and working out. So I don't know why he was doing steroids. Maybe he thought that would help with his performance enhancement. But in any case, he's not in the in a normal frame of mind when he's on the steroids, and that's clear to me. I had conversations with Adam after he was in jail and got off the steroids, and he sounds like a completely different person. And now all of his family says, Yes, this is the real Adam. You know, the these rants he was doing on social media, he was under the influence, not only of the steroids, but also copious amounts of marijuana that were being given to him by the FBI. And then he had all of these informants in his ear riling him up, telling him what to say that, you know, goading him along, telling him he's going to be he's important, he's going to be in charge of the state of Michigan. And Dan Chappell has cultivated a friendship with him, almost like you could say a father son relationship, right? Where they're in contact, I mean, daily, daily calls, text messages, back and forth, where this is kind of one of Adam's only friends, and he would have done anything for Dan. Dan knew that he was telling Adam that, hey, when I was in the military and we wanted to train people, we told them, you know, we we would have mission specific training, right? Like you train them for a specific mission, and that gets them focused and and gets them, you know, so Adam, when he's talking about the plan at many times, or when he's talking about kidnapping the governor, he's not actually thinking of this as like a real plan that they're doing. In his mind, he's thinking, Well, Dan said that when he was in the military and you wanted to get guys to focus, you just told them that they were training for a mission, and that got them focused. That's like, what he's thinking, and that we've got text messages where Adam in September is telling Dan, you know, I don't really want to do the plan, like, basically hinting that this is Dan's plan, not Adam's. And he's saying, why don't we do Ty's bug out plan instead? What that was, was Ty Garbin, the first man to take a plea deal, who, in my opinion, could, could be one of the FBI informants. Could have been the entire time. We don't know, because we don't know all the names of the informants. He had a plan to bug out to a location, because they believed that after the 2020 election, no matter who won, there was going to be some type of Fallout. They thought there might be a civil conflict, because the FBI spent the past year convincing them this was going to happen. So he's thinking, we need to go to, like, a fallout location, where we can bug out for a few months, and then maybe we can reconsider your plan, like somewhere down the line. That's what he's saying in September, and then they arrest him October 7, and they arrest him on a ruse. They told him he was going to get free gear from Red surplus military gear. Nobody, nobody was trying to kidnap the governor. That's what I want to stress and make clear to people, is that everybody thinks that they must have been doing something. There must have been something, some crime committed here. No. Nobody even tried to kidnap Whitmer. No attempt was made. Nobody got arrested on route to like, go try to kidnap her. It didn't happen because it wasn't going to happen. They made up a lie, telling them they were going to go get free gear in Ypsilanti, and then led them down the primrose path to what I think they were going to try to execute these guys, but that's a different story. And there's evidence to suggest that the informants were trying to get these guys to go armed, you know, to bring arms to this takedown. So could you imagine what could have happened if Adam would have brought his firearm and maybe pulled out his gun, not knowing what's happening? Because the FBI doesn't show up like regular law enforcement for these takedowns. They're not wearing like a law enforcement uniform. They're dressed in. Balaclavas and like, all black, you might think you're being kidnapped by a fucking team of, like, I don't know, criminals. Yeah, we're not thinking this. And they don't identify themselves as FBI. They were on the roof of this building where Dan drove them around, telling them they're going to meet up with red to get free gear. Then all of a sudden, all these guys, they're pointing weapons at you know, all these red thoughts appear on your chest from these snipers in position on a rooftop. You don't know what's happening. Nobody's saying, oh, law enforcement, you're under arrest. If Adam thought he was in a life or death situation and pulled out his gun, they could have killed him right then and there. And I personally think that was their plan. Wow, goodness, he didn't bring it. That

Chuck Shute: 1:15:43

is so scary. I mean, it's just scary to think it's it's just depressing too, to think that they're wasting these resources on this kind of stirring the pot with this kind of thing, when couldn't. I mean, there's so many other issues that need our attention that the FBI should be looking for the oh, there's so many missing people and missing children. Oh, my God. Why couldn't that be their number one focus? If they want to just say, Hey, we're an organization that deserves to, you know, exist. Look, we're gonna look, we're gonna search and look for all these missing people and missing children. I mean, that's like, that's an issue right there. There's so many other things, like human trafficking and fentanyl and I mean, they could they get involved all that stuff. I don't know. I mean, it's really sad that they feel the need to stir the pot with this stuff. I mean, that's what it appears. It is disgusting.

Radix Verum: 1:16:30

It's shameful. It's disgusting in the FBI should be 100% embarrassed by every single agent that worked on this case. They all knew there was nothing here you can go into this from the beginning, these people don't know each other until the FBI brings them together. How they do this is they turn the Wolverine watchman Facebook prepper group into an actual militia group where the FBI is doing the training. The FBI tells their informant, you can train them with anything that you can see on YouTube. So if you watch any gun YouTube channels, you can get an idea of like, the kind of training the FBI was telling them to do. Then the FBI is hosting meetings and field training exercises where they're putting on essentially obstacle courses for the guys to run through while a literal videographer is there filming them, so that the FBI can use that video later against these men at trial. And it's, I'm like, Okay, you just fabricated this entire situation, though. That is literal entrapment. You can't bring these guys out to a property and say we're doing a field training exercise. Go run through this shoot house. Go do this barrel training while we film you, and then we're going to take this film and use this as evidence to say you were planning a kidnapping. No, nobody was planning a kidnapping. They didn't. They even said that the shoot house was constructed to look like Whitmer vacation cottage. This is a bold faced Lie Number one at Cambria, the shoot house was put together with plywood purchased by the FBI informant, probably on his prepaid $5,000 credit card for his fake charity. And Special Agent Mark Schweers testified under oath at the federal trial, on cross examination by Julia Kelly, the lawyer for Daniel Harris, that he helped construct the shoot house. So no, in fact, none of these guys did anything. They had an obstacle course created for them. They signed their names on a sign in sheet. So we heard that they employed op sec, right because, oh, they wanted to evade being monitored. What? Because they used encrypted chat apps. I use encrypted chat apps. I'm a journalist. Does that mean I'm plotting to overthrow the government or trying to evade law enforcement just because I utilize encryption? No. So this lie about op SEC is easily torn apart when you just look at the fact that they were signing their names on sign in sheets. If you're showing up to a meeting or an FTX to plan, I don't know, a kidnapping of a governor. Are you going to sign your name on a sign in sheet? Are you going to allow yourself to be filmed by a videographer? No, they were told that the filming was being done to help train them better. We're going to film you running through this so we can go over the footage with you later and give you pointers of where you need to make improvements. Then this is the FBI doing all of this. It's not these guys. So every single part of this where you look at anything that could look like evidence of them planning a kidnapping. When you actually go investigate it, when you go look at what actually happened, it's complete and utter bullshit that was taken out of context, which is what they did this entire case, is spinning a narrative together of little bits and pieces taken. Out of context, and then they put in these bogus rulings where the defense can't present any of the exculpatory evidence, can't have people testify on their behalf, because they all get threatened and told their unindicted co conspirators, what does that even mean? Let's ask that question. What does it mean to be an unindicted co conspirator? Were you a co conspirator or not? Did you conspire to do something? Yes or no? These are black and white questions. There's no such thing as an unindicted co conspirator. You either have a crime and you can indict somebody, or you don't, but you don't get to tell somebody that they're an unindicted co conspirator so that you can scare them off the stand from testifying on behalf of the men that you framed, which is what they did. Every single defense witness that they wanted to call was told you're under investigation. You're an unindicted co conspirator, and anything you say, if you do testify, could be used against you. And in fact, you could be detained on your way out of the courthouse. Wow, you could be arrested. That's true, and this was done outside the presence of the jury. The jury didn't get to see the prosecutors and the judge playing this game. They didn't know these men had people who wanted to testify for them on their behalf, who were literally threatened off the stand one by one. That's actually called witness intimidation. They're not supposed to be allowed to do it. But here we are.

Chuck Shute: 1:21:33

Oh, that's so crazy. Well, so I can't wait to see this film. When do you think that you'll get funding it? You have an estimation of when this will come out, and we'll be able to everyone will be able to see

Radix Verum: 1:21:43

it well, as you know, it's a big story. I don't foresee us getting any magical people coming in to fund, you know, the last funding that we need. It just is reliant on me getting the word out, doing interviews, and regular people choosing to support the film. Where we stand right now, we have already done, I would say probably 80% of the filming has been done. So we're mostly in post production now. But you don't know until you're in post production, doing the editing where you have missing pieces. So if I have to go back to Michigan and get more drone footage, that's something I foresee happening. Okay, we lost the drone at the lake there. There may be one or two other people that still need to be interviewed, so there's still some expenses that we have. So basically, we're, we're almost done. It would get done faster if we could get funding faster. Okay, could hire more people to do these things. But we are, pretty much, we're in basically in post production at this point.

Chuck Shute: 1:22:42

Okay, well, I'll put the link in the show notes. So if people want to donate and get you over the top to get this thing out, I think it could blow up. I think this could be a huge film for people to see and expose some of these, the corruption, and I don't think most I just want to go on record. I love the government and love the FBI and the CIA. They're all great people. There's just a few bad eggs, I think that maybe need to be thrown out. But, yeah, I think you're doing great work. It's, it's ballsy or gutsy work, I would say, to take this thing on. But it's amazing. I found it really interesting, also very scary, very frightening for myself. Like, it makes you, like, wonder, like, who you can trust, you know, like, these people came to befriended these people and and then they kind of tricked them. That's what

Radix Verum: 1:23:29

they set them up. I mean, they took, they took them on these excursions, you know, for almost an entire year, taking them to these places while, all while they're filming and recording them and literally setting them up. Adam, they got his girlfriend to become an informant at a certain point. So it's like, even the people around you, you kind of, I started thinking, like, have PTSD that they're I mean, Brandon spent 18 months in prison. Since he's been out of prison, he's his life has not been the same. I think these men need counseling. I think they have severe PTSD that will mess with them for the rest of their lives. They have trouble trusting anybody, um, I maybe even myself included, although I think I've been the only person trying to help them, but I see what it's done to them. Yeah, I see that since being acquitted, found not guilty, literally found and trapped by the government. Eric Molitor hasn't been able to get a job. He's lost custody of his children. He had sole custody before the FBI decided to ruin his life. And he had one job he had for one day, and the boss found out who he was. It doesn't matter that he was acquitted and found not guilty. She said, Oh, he tried to kidnap our governor. I don't work. Want him working here. He got cut a check for one day's pay and told Sia, there's nothing you can do about it, because what lawyer is willing to take on something like this? That's the other thing. Five of these men have been acquitted so far. Five of them. That's half of them. Where is any kind of lawyer, civil rights lawyer, constitutional lawyer, conservative lawyer, to stand up and represent these men in a civil case against the FBI. I'll tell you what. They're all scared. They're all terrified of the FBI, because they can look at this case and say, Wow, the FBI could do that to these guys. God knows what they could do to me. And nobody wants to rock the boat. Nobody wants to put their career in jeopardy or their retirement in jeopardy, because the FBI, as you know, will go on years long Crusades to destroy you. If they don't get you in the courts, and you get acquitted, they'll still go after you in other ways, which is something Brandon has been dealing with also since this has happened. It's very

Chuck Shute: 1:25:49

scary. It's a scary I would say the lesson too is that Be careful who you trust, and you know, you got to make good decisions, like something may seem, you know, I think you can go down that path, and it's like, I have to, like, catch myself too, because I start getting into the weeds with some of this stuff, and then I gotta go, I gotta, like, take a step back and go, Okay, I don't want to, I don't want to go too far down. And sometimes I think that could just happen, and that can happen with a lot of things. It could happen with drugs. It can happen with, uh, gambling, or whatever, like, whatever. I think these people just got too far into the weeds. But the thing that bothers me is that it seems like the FBI was pouring gasoline on the fire and creating these things that they probably could create things for a lot of people, maybe not specifically, you know, Alicia type behavior. But, like, I said, like, drugs or, I mean, isn't that, like, what MK Ultra, if people look at that stuff, I mean, there's so many things that the government, I mean, like you said that they have, they have people in the media that are, are informants. That's really crazy. Yeah,

Radix Verum: 1:26:48

and then these people are supposed to be objectively reporting on things like January 6, where we know, yeah, the FBI was present. We know they used informants and under covers, and they all maintain the same narrative. It's really like,

Chuck Shute: 1:27:01

how many things are people, are psyops? Like, how many like, do you think? Like, you know, it's one. Isn't so crazy. Like, ever seen that? Like, AJ, big justice. Have you seen those that those people like, they're like, one of the most popular Tiktok things. And I'm like, I don't get this. Is this a psyop? Is this the FBI making it popular for some reason? And then they're gonna tell us who to tell us who to vote for, or something. I mean, it's just very bizarre. Oh, yeah.

Radix Verum: 1:27:24

Like some of these influencers and stuff that you see, they kind of appear out of nowhere, and they get this big platform very quickly. Yeah, I have, yeah. I would suggest a lot of those people are engaged in what is called IIA, inter interactive Internet app activity or whatever they have like a word for this, IIA operations. These are basically psyops online. And what we learned from the Whitmer case is that the FBI actually employs what they call OC ease online covert employees. These are FBI agents whose job it is to basically poses people online to to maintain false personas online, whether it's Facebook, it's Twitter, it's gab or somewhere else, they their job is to maintain false personas and befriend people. Why does this exist? You know,

Chuck Shute: 1:28:15

they could spy on people to see if you're anything illegal. Yeah,

Radix Verum: 1:28:18

you could say, well, maybe they need to have this to go after like cyber criminals, but what they're actually using this for is to target like regular people, people who are vulnerable, and then they're preying upon them. If you look at the in this case, I mean, you have Jason chambers, the FBI handling agent, who's texting the informant saying the mission is to kidnap the governor. Specifically, that's not any of these guys saying what the mission is. That's the FBI in black and white text messages saying this is what we are planning. And crazy. Just back up and we're, you know, you talked about, kind of like the leftist part of this. You know what is going on here. One of the governors that they wanted to be kidnapped and killed was Ralph Northam. The FBI was trying to get a disabled Vietnam veteran named Frank Butler, who lives in my state in Virginia, to do a plan to kidnap and kill Ralph Northam. This involved the FBI actually giving him, sending him a recipe to make homemade explosives and then directing him to double the ingredients. Again, you talk about how many people could have been endangered in this bizarre hand fisted operation. They are trying to get a disabled man to make homemade explosives in his house and double the ingredients. Thank God he didn't do it. And then their pedophile informant, Steve Robison, offers the use of an explosives Latin drone for a plot to fly this drone with explosives into the North Carolina vacation cottage of Ralph Northam, a Democratic governor.

Chuck Shute: 1:29:58

Oh, wow, it's crazy. Well. Well, I can't wait to see the film. I think you're doing great work. I can tell that you're passionate, and you care about people, and you care about justice and the corruption, and I love all those things. So please feel free to come back on the show anytime to promote whatever you're doing. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Bye, bye. Show me. Wise men so that folks should be learning again.