Guitarist Pete Evick from Bret Michaels Band Drops Some Truth Bombs & Great Stories

Pete Evick is a musician, best known for playing guitar with the Bret Michaels Band.  We discuss a variety of topics in this interview including writing & producing songs, Bret Michael's health, why Poison won't tour in 2025, working with Miley Cyrus, hanging with Don Dokken and more!

0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:30 - Star Wars Fan
0:00:55 - Canada
0:01:40 - New Drone
0:02:59 - Travel Blog & Podcasts
0:04:05 - American Flag, Politics & Loyalty
0:12:15 - Bret Michaels Set List
0:16:45 - Casino Shows & Fair Shows
0:20:16 - More Intimate Shows
0:22:55 - Pete's Other Projects & Songwriting
0:36:25 - Guest Musicians & Collaborations
0:39:25 - Working with Miley Cyrus
0:46:35 - Producing Music
0:51:30 - Don Dokken
1:04:25 - Musicians Playing Different Roles
1:13:15 - Facebook Posts & Fear of War
1:18:05 - Hurricane Victims
1:22:00 - Iron Dome & Terrorist Attack
1:26:25 - Digital Communication Attack
1:30:00 - Riki Rockett & Poison
1:33:15 - Bret Michaels Health Issues
1:40:55 - Celebrities & Again
1:48:15 - Outro

Evick Band site:
https://evick.com/

Bret Michaels Band site:
https://www.bretmichaels.com/

Hurricane Relief Fund:
https://treatmentrelief.org/hurricane-helen-help#

Chuck Shute Linktree:
https://linktr.ee/chuck_shute

Transcript

THEME SONG: 0:04

Down the heavy stars, rocking, rolling through the cool guitars, sharks got the questions, digging so sharp, peeling back layers, hitting the heart, pick one of a kind, from the rockets to the one of a kind. Oh, wow. You're

Chuck Shute: 0:30

all like, why you got, like, the Bubba fat back there. What is it

Pete Evick: 0:33

that Bubba fat back there? That is cool.

Chuck Shute: 0:37

I forgot. Yeah, you're such a big Star Wars fan that you might even, I don't know if I can say that there's you have a there you may be. People may see you in a Star Wars thing someday, maybe, maybe you never know.

Pete Evick: 0:51

How are you doing, buddy,

Chuck Shute: 0:53

good. How are you so you, are you in Virginia? Now I am. I'm in Virginia right this second. You guys don't have any shows. You're not on tour right at the moment.

Pete Evick: 1:01

We play in Canada in a couple days. Oh, really? Which part Niagara Falls? Ah, that'll

Chuck Shute: 1:08

be fun.

Pete Evick: 1:09

It's cool there.

Chuck Shute: 1:10

I've never been to that area. It's I've been to Vancouver a few times. Have you been there? Just

Pete Evick: 1:17

like the United States? Vancouver, the East Coast and West Coast are completely different. Vancouver is beautiful, man, it's amazing.

Chuck Shute: 1:24

Yeah, I remember going there when I was living in Seattle, and I was, you could drink there when you're 19, so you'd go up there over 19, we could, I was like, this is weird. I'm 19. I'm ordering a beer. Yeah, so what's new with you?

Pete Evick: 1:39

Uh, I got, yeah, I don't know if you're a drone guy, but they just released this new DGI, uh, Neo drone that, like, you don't need any controls or whatever. It just sits in the palm of your hand and it'll follow you around. I got that. I've been playing that with that for a couple days.

Chuck Shute: 1:54

Oh, that's, yeah, I got a drone, and I couldn't, like, I guess I'm an idiot. I couldn't figure out how to, it was really hard. I need to, like, take it to a field or something I was trying to do in my living room. I was like, This is not a good way to

Pete Evick: 2:05

you can't start inside. You have to do it, yes, yeah. But they're all they are complicated and hard. This one is this little, tiny thing that is made just DJI is a great company. There's but it's just little one that is made for ease of use. You don't have to use any controllers or anything. You just hold it in the palm of your hand and tell it what load you want it to do, and it'll it literally just follows you around.

Chuck Shute: 2:29

Okay. Now, would you use that to record yourself on stage? Or what are you looking to use it for?

Pete Evick: 2:35

I really don't know. I just wanted it. Okay. Now, you like the toys? Yeah, I'm a technological guy, technical. I love gadgets, and I waste a lot of money on stuff I never use after today. I probably never use it again, really, yeah, because I'm not a blogger or anything like that, you know? So I don't Yeah, because

Chuck Shute: 2:57

you were talking about at one point you doing like a travel Yeah,

Pete Evick: 3:01

that's what, that's my hopes. One day I love doing that, and that's why I have it. I have that. I have the new DJI Osmo camera. I have all the stuff. I just got to find the time to become that guy. You got to really invent yourself when you when, I mean, how many hours a week do you spend doing this? I

Chuck Shute: 3:19

mean, it's a full time thing, basically. So, yeah, 4050, hours, sometimes weekends, some nights, it's a lot, but it's like, I'm trying to, but I think I want to do a travel thing also, I think that might actually take off faster. I just feel like these interviews, it's just for whatever reason, the numbers have gone way down. I've talked to other podcasters, and it's the same, because everyone started a podcast. The Hawk tour girl started a podcast, is the number three most popular podcast, so I can't compete with that, you know? I mean, she's a young, cute girl. I'm not so

Pete Evick: 3:49

it's funny. I was just watching um Chris como, do you know that guy together was, yeah, yeah. He used to be on CNN. He has a whole podcast thing, and he did a whole segment on her, really interviewer, but he did a segment on her and why she resonated. It was very interesting. By the way you see your flag thing right there,

Chuck Shute: 4:08

yeah,

Pete Evick: 4:09

don't I have the same exact thing right behind me?

Chuck Shute: 4:13

Let me, I can't see for some Wait, say something, because it goes it's activated by voice. Oh, it's

Pete Evick: 4:18

right there, right there. Yeah, okay, yeah, it

Chuck Shute: 4:20

is the same except yours is red, blue and white. Mine's just black and white. I don't know,

Pete Evick: 4:26

is it metal, though? Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. Probably the same exact thing, yeah,

Chuck Shute: 4:31

probably, yeah. I just thought it was, I thought it looked cool. I don't know, like, but it's weird. You got to be careful with like, if you were like, an American flag or something, people think you're like a, like, a hard right Republican or something, which is weird to me.

Pete Evick: 4:44

It's so weird these days. What? What triggers just being a white, 50 year old male people think that I'm a Trumpster man. It's like to really they just assume, and like with Brett being on The Apprentice, they just assume he's a Trump fan, whether he is or not, it's my point. Is my point. About what people assume. You know what I mean? Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 5:02

no, that's so but sometimes I do feel like that's kind of a fun game to guess. If you're just sitting there, like, with my girlfriend, obviously, in the cafe or something, I'll look over and I go, but those people are voting for, you know, whoever like I can usually I think that I'm accurate. I don't know, because you never know, but yeah, people definitely like to assume, yeah,

Pete Evick: 5:21

it's funny. I, I, I never, I never actually dive deep politically, but I make it very clear that I'm very politically driven personally. And, you know, I get a kick out of my post sometimes, because I'll post something that has what I consider a deep message, and I'll come back a couple hours later, and the responses are all just go Trump, or Trump sucks, or it's like it's not what I was saying at all. It's funny what people will turn it into, right? You know? And you know, I've made it very clear to people. I'm, I guess you use the word independent, but I don't know that I'm independent, but I'm not. I'm not anti Trump, or, or, or, I'm not anti Trump. I'm not pro Trump. I'm not pro Kamala or anti Kamala. I It's a really unpopular opinion, but I, I did a bunch of research and and basically, by definition, I'm, I'm, I'm actually an anarchist. Oh shit. And it was weird for me to write, because I don't really feel that way interesting, you know, but I check all the boxes to the definition of an anarchist, and I 100 I mean, I don't want war, I don't want people to be shooting people or anything, but I 100% want the breakdown of our government and to restart it all over again. But I live here in DC, and I've been here my whole life, and so I have the perspective. My everybody has a perspective, but my perspective is, is certainly, I've just been surrounded by it, whether I wanted it to be or not, and I just what I what I don't understand. I thought real deep about this the other day was I actually went and reread the Declaration of Independence. I don't know if you've ever even read the thing. I don't know that I've ever actually read it. I

Chuck Shute: 7:35

don't think I've ever maybe, like in middle school, or whenever we had to, I'm sure see,

Pete Evick: 7:40

so I don't think I did back then either. Yeah, I never did anything in school. I drew pictures of Kiss and and guitars, and I don't even know how I got through school.

Chuck Shute: 7:50

Yeah, no, that was me. That was more like in high I think in middle school, I think when they I think I was kind of paying attention. And then high school, somehow I floated by with a B average. But I feel like the same

Pete Evick: 8:00

thing. I I was on paper. I was a great student, but I don't remember any of it, right. But, uh, in the declaration, it says the whole point of it is we have the right to overthrow our government. And I think we hear the word overthrow. You think of, first of all, you think of that stupid. I don't even call it insurrection, but stupid. But whatever happened is most embarrassing moment in in our history of I think. But I don't know one person on the left or the right that thinks that any of it's right. I don't I don't have anybody. I don't know anyone that goes our government's great. I have people that are left and believe in the left, and I have people that are right and believe in the right and the views and what those sides are about. But I don't, I don't know. I've not met one person, and I live in a world of politicians that think that the government is right. So why aren't we exercising what that declaration was all about? That doesn't mean we have to pull our guns out and start shooting everyone, but we're allowed to overthrow the government. That's what this country was raised on, overthrowing the government, if it's not working, why aren't we doing that? Yet, it's making me crazy inside.

Chuck Shute: 9:19

Well, I think the it comes down to loyalty. I just feel like there's people that are so loyal to the right or so loyal to the left that they will see this is what I got in trouble with because I was calling out some of the corruption on my channel, and I thought, oh, everyone's gonna agree with this. This is corruption. This is not part of it. And people will go, No, you can't talk about that. And you're wrong. And I'm like, I'm just literally just stating the facts, and people are like, well now, like they think that you belong to one side. I'm like, shouldn't we just call it the corruption on both sides? And we should come together about that. That's something that I don't think is partisan, but people are just so loyal. It's like, Have you ever met like a sports fan that I know you're not a sports guy, but if you're. Met a sports fan that is so loyal to the team they think the team's going to the Super Bowl or the World Series, even when the team is just downright terrible. And, you know, like, again,

Pete Evick: 10:08

original, again. Where I live, we have the Washington Redskins, and that is a cult following like the district dealers and the Green Bay Packers. That's, that's one of those kind of teams. So, yeah, I have, I have friends that live their life for for that team, and every year are waiting for it to go, because the answer is yes, I knew exactly what you're saying, right? Yeah, there's people that believe and so, and I believe in loyalty. So I appreciate that Sure, every level, when I decide that I'm loyal to somebody that you know, I have their back till the end, but, but isn't

Chuck Shute: 10:44

part of being loyal? Like, if you have a friend and they fuck up, you tell your friend, hey, you fucked up like, I'm being loyal to you. You're still my friend. I love you, but you fucked up. Like, why can't we do that with politicians and political sides? Why can't we say, You know what? Like, Jen, like you said, January 6, I don't know. No one in this country should say, should make an excuse for that, like everyone should say, that was embarrassing, that was stupid, Republican or Democrat, and there's so many instances of that on both sides.

Pete Evick: 11:12

Yeah, very much. That was a that was a dumb day, but Yeah, but you're right. Even loyalty. I me and Brett have conversations all the time where I tell him, but I'm, I, you know, I'm your I'm your general in your army. I'll follow you wherever you go, if I've committed to being your partner and in rock and roll. But I'm, I don't always agree with what you say. Sometimes I think your ideas are outrageous and but I believe in you, so I'm going to be loyal. And you know, if you jump

Chuck Shute: 11:43

off his ideas, musically or politically or otherwise,

Pete Evick: 11:47

musically, just, just any entertainment business, but I, but I, I phrase it. You know, I'll jump off the bridge with you if you're going, if you think that's what we need to do. But that doesn't mean I'm always going to agree, but I've committed to to my loyalty to you in this business, and, uh, same thing you're talking about with people with the different sides, you know?

Chuck Shute: 12:07

Yeah, no, that's interesting. You can you say, I'm, I'm curious. Are you talking about, like, the songwriting, because I think we talked about that before, how sometimes Brett likes to really try different things in the studio and go all out.

Pete Evick: 12:19

No, that's the best part about him. Yeah, that's the best part about him. Are you asking me, what would be something that I disagree with, but consider Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 12:29

or can you say I don't want to get in trouble? You

Pete Evick: 12:32

know, I disagree with the set list

Chuck Shute: 12:35

I was going to ask you about that. That was actually my first question, because we haven't even got to the my list of questions, but I was going to ask you, because, why is there no Brett Michaels solo band material or stuff from past albums, or new songs, or like, throw in a deep poison cutter, say it's always the same songs, which, of course, you've got to play nothing but a good time, and all those hits, but why not throw in a few extras just to Be for fun. That's

Pete Evick: 13:00

and that's our argument from day one, from the very first day that I met Brett, I walked out of his hotel room, and I'll never forget the right before our first gig, I The door was closing, I put my head back in, and I said, I'm grateful for this gig, but just let you know I'd give anything to do back to the rocking horse or or something like that. And, yeah, I've always, I've always said it to him, and Brett is a people pleaser, and he understands the masses. It's almost like that term, term, the good the greater. What's the term? When you you do something for all instead of for the one? There's a, I forget the phrase, but at the in the after rock of love and creating a huge fan base that wasn't there at the beginning, like, Look what the cat dragged in, and the fans that became fans of his via pop culture and via all the TV shows and all the other things that he's done. There's people that come to see us that don't have any of the records, but they just loved them on The Apprentice, right? There's people that loved rock my RV and but what they do is they do go online and they find the the popular songs. And so you have a a band like Bon Jovi, who has never reached out to to John, it's always just been his band, his band and his music. There's no TV shows, there's no movies, there's a couple things he did, but, but he doesn't dab on anything else but his music. So all of his fans come solely from the music. So. So those fans go to those shows and they want to hear the deep cuts. So you always hear that John Bon Jovi or Sammy Hagar. I mean, Sammy Hagar just made an entire successful tour out of playing essentially deep cuts of Van Halen material, right with Brett. If you listen to him, tell you that. Tell you it makes sense he's playing to a different kind of audience, that at least 50% of them weren't even there for those first three big records. They're there to see a guy they know as a singer, but they're here to see a guy they know from TV. So any research they've done, they've gone to iTunes and downloaded the top five songs, and that's what they've learned to like. If that makes sense.

Chuck Shute: 15:45

No, that totally makes sense. I just, you just see, usually, though, I think a lot of bands do this is they'll play, obviously the most popular songs, but they'll also throw in, usually one or two songs or, you know, something we used

Pete Evick: 15:59

to like. We used to do the theme song, The Rock Of Love, which, by all, by all purposes the song go that far, was a hit song. It was number one for 14 weeks on the VH one countdown. It was in Guitar Hero three, which is one of the greatest video games in all history. It was we, they used it on the Miss Universe intro. I still get royalty checks from that 15 years later. You know, it may not have been every rose, but it was a hit in itself, and we used to play it all the time, and it went over really, really well. And then we think that around the time of his brain hemorrhage, we really started to do the casino circuit. You know, all the rock bands play the casinos, and the casinos only want you to play an hour.

Chuck Shute: 16:54

Yeah, they want you to get in, get everybody there, and then get out and get them back in the casino and gamble. And

Pete Evick: 17:01

that's about the time that we started trimming the fat on playing some of the material or some of and I think that that's just where, where we're at now, after that,

Chuck Shute: 17:10

do they have, do the casinos, do they tell you, like, there's a limit, like, you got, you got 45 minutes or an hour, or like, I mean, every

Pete Evick: 17:19

single contract we have as a timeline, 75 minutes. Very much,

Chuck Shute: 17:24

yeah, because that's very different than the bar scene, where there's like, seven opening bands that are want you to stay at the bar, as long as they don't want you to leave on the money selling alcohol, but the casino, they want you to to just they want you to leave the concert, but not the casino, because you got to walk through the casino, and then they assume you're going to gamble a bunch.

Pete Evick: 17:43

That's right? When bands are hired by casinos, we're a tool to get people that have never been in a casino in there,

Chuck Shute: 17:50

right? Yeah, basically, yeah. Which, which is great for the band and stuff, because, I mean, it seems like they treat you very well. It's,

Pete Evick: 17:59

for lack of a better word, it's an easy gig, a casino.

Chuck Shute: 18:03

Yeah, it's, again, because it's shorter set less, and there's a usually really nice backstage set up, right? And the pay is really good. And

Pete Evick: 18:10

you have hotel rooms right there. Most of the time you can, within a minute, you can get from your stage or your backstage dressing room, your hotel room for the night, you know? So you fly the night before, you have a great hotel room. You don't have to get in a car. You don't have to leave a car until you leave the next day to go to the airport. Yeah, casino gigs are wonderful. Yeah, they'll

Chuck Shute: 18:32

give you the hotel room too, right? That's part of it. It's all part of it. Yeah? Versus tell me about like playing, like the fairs, because that's that seems not as fun.

Pete Evick: 18:46

The fairs are, the fairs are, the fairs are cool because a lot of times they're what you call soft ticket, like free, right? And the fans love to come for free. And the fairs usually have real big stages and real big production, and you feel a lot more like kiss at a the fairs will go out of their way to make it look bigger, right? They usually have more space, but a lot of times those fairs are out on dirt race tracks, out behind places and stuff like that. So you'll get you all day long. You'll get dirty and you'll get dust and stuff in your throat. And the dressing rooms are usually trailers, not even RVs, sometimes just like, like work trailers that are brought in. So the accommodations aren't always as nice, but, but the fans are the fans are great, but they're fun. They're fun, but the accommodation, sometimes those trailers, and sometimes there's not, like air conditioning or there. Are. They're old, like, 70s trailers with wood paneling.

Unknown: 20:03

Okay? Yeah,

Pete Evick: 20:04

I'm there to stand on that stage and play for the people. I don't care what happens around me when it's nice, it's great that it's nice when it's not, it's just somewhere to stand until Showtime.

Chuck Shute: 20:15

Yeah, that's cool. Versus, like, if you guys ever done kind of, like, a more intimate, uh, show like, I don't know if you saw like, Molly crew just played the troubadour, and they, they showed up in like, a garbage truck, and they opened the garbage truck and they thought of a garbage truck, and they played this tiny show, to

Pete Evick: 20:31

be honest with you, I just saw that within the last hour, because, you know, I thought we were supposed to go on an hour ago. So, yeah, to kill the hour I was looking at that stuff, I can't find a clip of Vince getting out of the trash truck. I see Tommy jump out, and then they move away. And then, before they gets back to it, Vince is already out. I want to see him get out of the truck. Oh, I

Chuck Shute: 20:55

saw the I'll try to send it to you, because that's the one I saw. It was like, does he jump

Pete Evick: 20:59

out? Does someone help him down? What happens? No,

Chuck Shute: 21:02

I think he kind of rolled out. I mean, he because Tommy just jumped out. Yeah, Tommy jumped and Vince, I yeah, I think he kind of jumped out. I'll have to find the clip, but, um, but yeah, that looked fun. I was like, because that would be cool for you guys to do that like a show like that, like a small, intimate thing, and just do all the deep cuts, the deep poison, the Brett Michaels, maybe even one song from your solo band. Like

Pete Evick: 21:26

I would love to do that. We do do couple times a year. We do some real intimate shows that are like 200 seat dinner theater type of shows that when we first started doing them, they were supposed to be acoustic, and Brett didn't want to do it acoustic. But we do we. We do this place called ram's head in Annapolis, Maryland, and then sometimes we'll do this place called jurgles in Pittsburgh. Couple places, once a year, once every other year, we'll do it. We very intimate, only a couple 100 people things, but we still, it's still the same set in the full on live cloud show,

Chuck Shute: 22:07

you know, yeah, and then, of course, you have your own solo thing that you do with, with just a couple buddies and and that's fun. I still haven't seen that yet. I missed you last time, but hopefully you'll come back and do that here in Arizona.

Pete Evick: 22:21

Actually, I think the in three or four weeks, the Brett Michaels band is playing Tucson, and either the night before, the night after, me and Chad from faster pussycat are going to be doing a show in Phoenix, one of those shows, oh

Chuck Shute: 22:36

shit, yeah, I'm in San Diego that weekend, I think, yeah, and I'm coming back, I think Sunday so hopefully maybe, if you're doing Sunday night, maybe, maybe

Pete Evick: 22:45

I'll find I'll know it a couple days, but yeah, the I forgot what the question was, or were we just making a statement?

Chuck Shute: 22:52

Oh, it's just, yeah, I was just bringing that. I was listening to your old stuff from from your band, Eve, and I was listening to the old CD, well, albums, I guess it's on Spotify. I don't have the CD, but I'm listening. I'm like, This is good. I like the song. You got a couple new songs as well, but the the old albums are good as well. Like, I mean, it's just, it's fun. See, I'm always appreciative of music. I know some people are music snobs and they don't like it. For this reason. I love music. I'm always amazed by people that can make music, and you make good music, it's melodic, it's it's catchy, it's fun. I like

Pete Evick: 23:27

it's funny. I thought a lot of years the very first epic record is a record called anachronism. Yeah, I was, I was in a band called somewhat reason, we had a record deal and everything was real. We were we had a song on the radio. We were torn with bands like fuel and the Goo Goo Dolls, and we were part of that world, and the band fell apart. But we made a big record in New York City and a big studio with big producers and but I like to make records myself, and that all fell apart. And I I started EVOC, and I made that anachronism record in my basement with, you know, very, very little gear, and the technology wasn't what it is now to make a home recording. It was just getting it was just getting to the point where you could do it with an enormous amount of effort and skill. And I listen to that anachronism record sometimes, and it's 12 of the best songs I ever wrote, because it was it was like the darkest time of my life, but I was still young, and it was a great time. I was about to have my first child. There was part of my life that was going amazing, but I'd lost my record deal, and I'd lost my band, and I had so much. Emotion that I spit that record out lyrically, I have, I had so much to say, and I've never had that much to say again in over 20 years, right? And I look back, because I remember, as I was writing those songs, they were just coming to me, and I was like, Oh, this is good. I'm a great songwriter. Now, not that the songs were great, but when I say great songwriter, I was, I was pumping material out fast, and to me, I was like, Oh, I'm becoming better at my craft, because I can write more and more and more, quicker, Quicker, quicker, but I got it all out of my system. And my point of that is, there are moments in that record that I feel are so magical, but it's recorded in a basement, and I think, and there's a bunch of people back home here that try to talk me into this, and I'm right there with re recording the entire record with with the production value that I could give it today, and then releasing it on vinyl.

Chuck Shute: 25:58

Hmm, there's that. And then do you have other songs, though? Because I thought you said, before you told me that you have songs written or that are in you that you haven't like put out yet that yeah,

Pete Evick: 26:10

it comes and goes. I hadn't written I started writing music with Brett, and when I started writing music with Brett, I was so influenced by the way he writes music that the way I wrote music kind of changed, and then I kind of got writer's block for to write my kind of music, as opposed to, you know, bands have a sound. Brett has a kind of music. He likes to write, things he wants to do. And it's funny, because part of the reason I'm in Brett's man is he heard my original solo music from those records, particularly, uh, two songs on the next record. I don't know if he listened to the sunset, the sunset EP, but there's,

Chuck Shute: 26:52

there's two on Spotify, and then there's, like, two singles I listen to, I listen to a bunch of that couple days. It was fun. I

Pete Evick: 26:58

like it sunset. The sunset had a song called Savannah on it, the first one, yeah, yeah, and a song called Elvis. And Brett had actually heard those two songs and called me. There's way more to the story of how I got in bretsdam. But before I was in Brett's band, he called me about those songs and, oh, I didn't know that part, yeah. And he asked me, Did you really write and produce those recordings? I said, Yeah, it's my drummer in me, and I do the everything in my basement, and that really intrigued him with with those songs. And so when we start, he was interested in writing with me. Of course, I'd want to write with him, because he wrote every rose and fallen angel and all that stuff. But, you know, he's a dominant force, and I was influenced by his songwriting, and started using his techniques, and it kind of took my techniques away from me. And then during covid, it all started to come back.

Chuck Shute: 27:51

And so what is the difference between your songwriting techniques and his? Really,

Pete Evick: 27:56

it's really hard to explain. People write songs different ways. It I, I tend to think I want to write this story, and I'll almost write the story, the Lyric, first. I'll, I'll, I'll say, it's take living on a prayer. Living on a prayer is a story, right? Tommy used to work on the docks, and I imagine that John and Desmond Child said, let's write a story about two poor people trying to make it. And that's what I do. I though I but I don't write a so here's thank you for asking. This is an interesting I don't write a story. I like songs, like living on a prayer. But up until I met Brett, every single song I'd ever written other There's a song called prom queen that I wrote for a reason, but every song I'd ever written was autobiography. Autobiography. Autobiographical. Yeah. Autobihager,

Chuck Shute: 29:02

how'd you say autobiographical?

Unknown: 29:05

Autobiographical? I'm

Chuck Shute: 29:06

surprised I could say it. I'm usually not.

Pete Evick: 29:09

Every song was, was that and, and, except for my one song, prom queen, I'm such a Bowling for Soup fan. You know the band Bowling for Soup? Oh,

Chuck Shute: 29:19

yeah, I had Jared, Jared Reddick on the show a lot, super nice guy. So

Pete Evick: 29:23

I've known Jared for a lot of years because I wrote this song prom queen. And it was the first time my life I ever wrote this song. I was such a fan of jared's tongue in cheek writing, yeah, right, that I wrote this on prom queen just to see if I could write like, and, but other than that, every song had been autobiography. What autobio? A graphical There you go. And, and when I started writing with Brett, Brett doesn't do that. Brett, just here's a lyric. Let's put another i. Uh, it's, he can, it's fiction. Brett can write fiction. And I've never been able to do that, you know? I when I say fiction, it sounds wrong, like songs like every rose and fallen angel. Those are real stories. Those are, you know, but he's able to just go, let's write a song tonight about partying, okay, and not a Don can't pay my rent. He starts putting that stuff together lyrically. And he starts making things sound good. Peace, um, where, where I tend to have to know where I'm going. I want to know before I start the song where I wanted to end. He's able to just jump in with a rough idea and create

Chuck Shute: 30:42

a giant, okay, that's interesting. Yeah, I just had, I don't know if you know, like Celebrity Rehab, like Bob forest, he was the drug counselor, but he's also a musician, and he was friends with Red Hot Chili Peppers, and he back in the day, and he said he would just write songs like he would just, it would just come to him. But he said Anthony Kiedis would have, like, all these, like, notebooks, and he'd be, like, piecing things together, and like, oh, take a piece. Okay, this fits with this. And, like, it was very

Unknown: 31:07

huge.

Chuck Shute: 31:09

Okay, yeah, yeah, interesting,

Pete Evick: 31:11

yeah. And over the years, I've started to do that because, you know, a line will hit you, one line will hit you, and then you'll get excited, and I'll thank God for the iPhone, because you can just make a note wherever you're going. Yeah, you know, and that's helped. That's helped lyrically, I forget where we're going. About all this just talking

Chuck Shute: 31:31

about just so fast as songwriting, just how you write differently than Brett, but it sounds like or he influenced you to write

Pete Evick: 31:38

a new way. But I got but my point was, during covid, I started really wanting to get back to who I was. That's when I wrote that song, best days, which podcast we ever did. First time I came on your show was talking about that song and the 99 red balloons. So, yeah, yeah. Everybody writes songs different. Every you know what I mean. And but I actually just wrote a song. I demoed it Monday night, and I think it's, I think it's one of the best things I've ever written in my entire life. And, and it's, it's a fiction story, and it's a country song. Oh, I was actually, you know, every once while, when we do a party girl show with guest singers, we have the female backup singer, Becky. I think you've seen a show where she's there, right?

Chuck Shute: 32:31

Yeah, was she at the the one in Lake? Lake,

Pete Evick: 32:37

really nice. Yeah, yeah. So her and her boyfriend, at the time, were backstage in Myrtle Beach, and I she walked up her and her husband walked up to the backstage bar, and I watched him order a whiskey in her order a glass of wine. And this was a Giant Country Festival, and I like country music a lot. I'm from Virginia. My mom listened to Elvis, which was gospel, country and rock. My dad listened to Hank Williams Junior. So the influences are all there, which is another thing we and Brett have in common, is our love for country music. And so I watched them, and this lyric popped into my head and in my brain, I thought, how in the has no country artist written this yet? And I texted the lyric to my drummer, Chuck, my band, Evan, who is a die hard country music fan. He knows everything from everybody. Knows every song, every lyric. He spends all his life going to country music concerts. And I said, Chuck, it's funny because your name's Chuck, but I said, Chuck, your name. Can you research this and find out? How did noone ever write this lyric? And he, he spent like, three or four days he goes, You know, I hear a couple things similar, but no one's ever written this lyric and and I've been searching for months with this chorus in my head, and finally, I'm like, it's, it's not out there. I did not steal this. Because a lot of times musicians don't realize they steal things, you know, influenced by they haven't heard something in 10 years, and all sudden, the lyric comes by and but this, this lyric was so on that nose that I feel like, I feel like there'd be no comp, I wouldn't be able to say, Oh, I was influenced by this. It's either it's so on the nose that if I stole it, I stole it. And, you know, and so the lyric to the chorus, the song is, I'm like the whiskey, she's like the wine. She gets a little bit tipsy. I drink till i. Blind. I'm rough around the edges, and she gets better with time. I'm like, the whiskey. She's like, the wine. And, I mean, it's the perfect country song.

Chuck Shute: 35:08

That's amazing. Yeah, that's, I'm glad that you actually told it to me. I was like, I was on the edge of my seat. I'm like, is he going to tell me

Pete Evick: 35:14

the lyric? But it all started for me, watching them to order that drink, knowing that and knowing that they are opposites and and the they're not opposites, but they're so different than each other. But just the visual of the whiskey versus the wine is is a visual version of how different they really are. You know what I mean? No, that's perfect. The song came out of me, and then, and then I and then for a few months, I thought the lyric was so good that I was afraid to record it, because what if I can't make the music right? What if? What if I'm going to waste this lyric on a great lyric can be wasted on a bad song if you don't have the right melody or the right you know? And so I didn't even want to. I was so certain that it was so great that I didn't want to try it and find out it wasn't, does that make sense? Kind of Yeah, because I hadn't written the chords or anything. I just had the word and so something the other day said, sit down and do this. And I sit down and I put it together, and I keep listening back, and I just think, Man, this is it's so great that I want to give it to someone else, because 52 year old me will never get it to the audience that it deserves. You

Chuck Shute: 36:29

know how you do that? I'll tell you how you do that like no one ever listens to me. But this is like one person I feel like did this right. Recently, I just had on the show Billy Morris Do you know Billy Morrison? Like guitarist for, uh, he was with the cult, and now he's with Billy Idol for last years, but he just released a solo album, and what he did is so smart, is he had a bunch of his friend, his celebrity, or musician, whatever you want to call him rock star friends on guest on the album. So he's got Ozzy on there. He's got Billy Idol. He's

Pete Evick: 36:59

got the Aussie songs, good. What's the Aussie song?

Chuck Shute: 37:02

Cocaine, yeah,

Pete Evick: 37:04

I thought, What is Ali What is this gonna be? And it's actually genius lyric. It's great,

Chuck Shute: 37:10

yeah, the whole, that's what I so I would, that's what I would do, if I was you is I would do a solo record, and I would get bread on there. I'd get Jared from Bowling. I get all Jeff Tate, get all your friends on there and get some get some you know, other celebrity people that you know, musicians that people know, like drummers and bass players, and then have songwriting collabs. And because I like Billy's line, he said, he's like, I'm not bigger than the music. Music is too big for me to have it to myself and steal it. He's like, if I know Ozzy and Ozzy will do sing on the song, I should have Ozzy on the song, because it's going to make the song better,

Pete Evick: 37:45

right, right? Very much. Yeah, that'd

Chuck Shute: 37:49

be my advice. Like, I love and I love that. I love seeing collaborations, like, I would love to see what you could sit down and do with jare or Vince Neil or whatever, like whoever you want to work with. I don't know. I mean, I mean, I know that you know a lot of people, so yeah,

Pete Evick: 38:04

without a doubt. I mean, you know, like, I just had Eric Brittingham play on my son's new song from Cinderella. Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 38:11

love him. You know,

Pete Evick: 38:12

I thought he was retired, though he played on the song for me. Well, there you go. But I really want to get breaking this the world. I'm telling you this right now, I wanted, I want to do something, either with my son or with myself, with Josie Scott from saliva. I love Josie. We get along super great and and I think he has, he wrote some great music. I thought, I can, you know, and he's still writing music, and he's out there again. He's in great shape. He's in. His head space is an incredible spot and and his energy is incredible. And I would love to do some stuff with him. There's tons of people I'd love to do things with.

Chuck Shute: 38:51

Yeah, I think, I think it'd be cool to just put it out as an album, and have, you know different singers on every song. And, you know, I have you could sing some of them too. You're a great singer yourself, but just, you know, to draw some attention to it, to get people to listen. I think you know

Pete Evick: 39:06

that one record me and Brett did called jamming with friends. Yeah, every single one of those songs we have a guest on. Brett used that exact same technique. We had Loretta Lynn sing out a song. We had Joe Perry, ace, really? Michael, Anthony, we had everyone on

Chuck Shute: 39:23

that record. Was that the one with the Miley Cyrus song that was, like, a big hit, yeah, yeah, I heard you tell that story that's pretty cool. Like, that was like, a big deal for you. And Brett's like, it's not the same,

Pete Evick: 39:34

right? The world's different. That song was great. Miley was great. That's experience that I can never forget, you know what I mean, she

Chuck Shute: 39:42

was, she got to work with her, like, write it with her. I

Pete Evick: 39:46

went in the studio and produced it with her. Yeah. When she was, she was, like, really young then, right? Like, she wasn't 18 yet, wow, or she wasn't 21 yet. She wasn't old enough to drink, yeah,

Chuck Shute: 39:58

yeah. So was it. Weird to watch her. She was like this child star, and then she kind of went through a party phase, and, well, she

Pete Evick: 40:05

was Hannah Montana when we did, yes, okay, Montana was rapping down and she was recording. At the time we did this, she was recording the wrecking ball song that was huge, yeah, but it had, it didn't come out till a year later, but she she was morphing into who she is now, but she was still it was. It was a very well served a time for her, sure, because people

Chuck Shute: 40:33

knew her as Hannah Montana, that and Miley Cyrus, the name wasn't that wasn't what she was like chasing,

Pete Evick: 40:39

yeah, right, and her mom and her, and I always forget who her boyfriend was at the time. It's the guy that plays Thor's brother.

Chuck Shute: 40:49

Oh Hemsworth, yeah,

Pete Evick: 40:51

oh yeah. And it was Brett and me and Chuck and my friend Steve. And, you know, I produced so many records for so many people in my life. But nothing, nothing huge. And I'd always done everything on the East Coast, and we flew out to the West Coast, to Henson Studios, which is, which is where they did we are the world. Wow. Then it was called A and M studios or something like that. I don't, I know, but you can't imagine the records that have been made in this place, and they brought Miley in and her mother and Brett. And I'll never forget thinking this is if I'm ever going to if I'm ever going to be a great producer, I better be that right now.

Chuck Shute: 41:48

Is it scary? Then? A little bit

Pete Evick: 41:50

that was, that was because I'd worked with rock guys. I'd worked with the guys from kick Steve Whiteman, I produced his first solo thing, the first song he ever cut with with band called funny money. There was a metal band called Raven that I was able to do one of their records, and I'd done work with Brett, but me and Brett worked, we had a friendship, and a lot of other information. I did a lot of other stuff together and but I just remember waiting for her and going, Brett's going to let me take the rein here. I got to do justice to him. I got to, I got to make sure he's proud of me. And I want her to. I want Miley to when your producer, the important part is making your art. Feel comfortable enough that they're going to give you the best performance. That's your job. Your job's not to crack a whip and make and beat them down. A lot of people think of producers as going, you suck, sing that better, which there's parts of that but, but that's not the mentality. The mentality is getting the best performance out of an artist you can that's a producer and her mother and her and the hensworth guy walked in, and she went into the booth, and we fired up the song, and we started working the record, and Brett looked over at Me, and kind of gave me the head nod to start producing. And was nervous, man, I was nervous. And I don't get nervous. You've seen me. I don't I'm half the time the second before I start playing, I'm just sitting behind the stage, not even thinking it's about you've seen it. But, yeah, I'm not a nervous guy. I was nervous, and about five minutes into it, her mother walked into the booth. And sometimes, as an artist, you forget that we can hear things like she walks out of the control room that I'm in into the booth that Miley's singing in, and and and they start talking, and they forget that I can hear what they're saying because they're in a different room, you know, tell them about microphone right there, right Miley's mom goes, Are you okay? Do you feel comfortable? And Miley goes, I'm great. This guy, this guy's great. He's making me feel perfect. He's, he's, he's, he basically talking about, he, she loved working with me. And the mother goes, yeah, he's, he's absolutely great. Let's just keep doing this. And, and that gave me all the confidence in the world. That was a really cool, special night to me, You know what I mean? And, and then, and then, now, then, then Brett and Miley's mom and the henderworth guy and and one of the other guys in the studio, they all left, and just left me and Miley and Chuck and this guy, Steve, in there, all by ourselves, and we just cranked it out for a couple hours and had a great time without anyone else around.

Chuck Shute: 44:57

Were you impressed by her ability to sing? Yeah, I'd

Pete Evick: 45:01

never seen anything like it. Wow, never seen it. It was and again, as a producer, the thing with is, when you ask an artist to do something, and if they can do that back Miley, that was great. Can you try this? And if they can do that, that's amazing. And and it was very much. She would do something, and you would get shields like you'd almost cry. It was so good. I don't know if you have ever, have you ever listened to the end of the song? That song nothing to lose.

Chuck Shute: 45:32

I'm sure I have. But it's it's been a while.

Pete Evick: 45:36

Most of the song is this formula pop song. It's a great song, and it's a great song, but it's, it's a pop song, but at the end of it, I just said mileage just way up, and she starts hitting these notes and writing these melodies. I got goosebumps right now. Again, remembering it, man, and it was, it was just, it's haunting. If you go back and listen to the end of the song, it's one of the songs, it's haunting and but whatever I asked her to do, she did. There was no ego involved. She didn't know me from Adam, and she still respected my opinion. And it was a that was a great day. It was a life changing day. It gave me the confidence to know that I can call myself a real music producer. Yeah, is

Chuck Shute: 46:25

that something you want to do? More of producing,

Pete Evick: 46:28

that's all I you know, Chuck, to be honest with you, it's my biggest passion. I love that more than anything. You know. I have a friend, if you look him up, his name is Jeff Giuliano, and we grew up together. And he he just mixed the new Luke Bryan song. He has hundreds of number one songs. He got his first big gig with Dave Matthews because we're from Virginia, and Dave's from here, and he went on to do all kinds of other stuff. But me and him were very similar. I own a recording studio. He owned a recording studio, but we were both playing in bands live and and one day he just quit live music, and he came to me, goes, Pete, we're doing this wrong. You. You gotta do this one way or another. You gotta put your ego aside and quit wanting to be a rock star and throw that away and put all your eggs in this basket of making records or do the other thing, but, but it's time to quit trying to do both. And I was like, no, no, no, you gotta do both. And he went on, I mean, if you look him up, he's he's won cm CMAs. He's won every award, Grammys. He's awarded everything you can dream of. And sometimes I go, God, man, I should have just I should have done that, because I love that. I love making records. And my ego likes the crowd screaming back at me, though, so I like to play live. I say that I like making records because I'm sitting here in my studio. Today right now, and I love it, but it goes back and forth, because when I'm on the stage, there's nowhere else I'd rather be than the stage. So So I certainly think that I had the potential to be Lang or Bob Rock, and I still have the knowledge, and I know the know how, but I never put in the hours to be great. You know what? I mean, gotcha? Yeah. I

Chuck Shute: 48:32

mean, you still could, right?

Pete Evick: 48:34

You could, without a doubt, and and my mindset kept going, I'll produce records when I get older, but right now I'm young. Let me go out and play and, you know, so, so I get mixed up. I love making records more than, like, even sitting here talking to you right now, I'm like, I'm looking at all my gear. I'm like, How soon is this over? I'm gonna crank up a drum beat and see what I can come up with. You know what? I mean? Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 48:57

that's fun, though. Yeah, that's awesome. If that's what you love to I get it though. I hear that from a lot of musicians that they because I'll ask that question a lot, like, do you like playing live more recording? And I think they, a lot of them, kind of are torn.

Pete Evick: 49:09

It is, it's, it is, they're two completely different outlets with two completely different rewards. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 49:20

I would think creating, yeah? I mean, they're both because creating, like, I love to create something, but then, yeah, that playing live, I there's something that's got to be hard to match that feeling of being on stage and having people yell for

Pete Evick: 49:32

you, that's right, and even, not even the yelling, just the energy of the volume of music, it just, it's what we're all here for. You know, if you're a producer, it's because you love music. And when you love music, you love music because when you heard it, so it closer to the core of what made you love what you do is playing live, because it is feeling music, where producing becomes more of a science and an art. So the. The the the core of you have to learn to love music, learn to play music, then become a producer. So there's an extra step to becoming a producer and loving that in the in the because you kind of, you have to be able to play some music to be a producer. You have to be able to talk to language. You have to be able to strum a guitar or bang out some chords. You have to be able to do that. So I think that the love for playing music starts, and then some of us go to learning to love to produce music. Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 50:31

I just think of like Adam Hamilton, or if you're friends with him, but he's, he was in LA guns for a little bit, I think. And he was in a band with Cece, actually. And then I think he's just full on producer. Now,

Pete Evick: 50:42

was he in Samantha seven?

Chuck Shute: 50:45

Either that or other solo thing that Cece, I can't remember,

Pete Evick: 50:51

is he was CC. Solo thing was called Samantha seven. They also did something called the step. Others before that.

Chuck Shute: 50:56

Maybe it was, it was one of the two, yeah, and then yeah, he was telling me, like, stories of going up to CC's house. And now, like, I've heard that from, I think Stevie Rochelle was telling me about that too. Like, CC's house used to be, it was this big house on the hills, and it was, like, the party house that was, like, where everybody went to party and stuff. Like,

Pete Evick: 51:15

yeah, I didn't know any of those guys back then, but I know tons of people that went to that, oh, I know, CC, yeah, but yeah, that house is part of an incredible part of rock and roll folklore, without a doubt.

Chuck Shute: 51:30

Yeah, Don dawkin was on my show, and he was telling me some story about how, because CeCe would get so fucked up. And like, I guess some guy tried to steal one of CC's guitars, and supposedly, according to Don, he, he stopped him and, like, said, No, you can't take that and all that and like, it just sounded like it was just chaos at that place.

Pete Evick: 51:46

Yeah, it's funny. You say that, man, I think he told me that at 1.4 but that I 100% believe that about Don. Don would, Don would stop a guy like, buddy, yeah, I think he would. I've

Chuck Shute: 51:59

seen, I love Don, dog dude, his Oh, yeah. Like, I think, like, I have like, three clips from my show. They're like, my most popular I'm like, the dawkin show for like, a month when I had that interview, that was all anybody came to my channel for, was just to watch that interview. The clips like they blew up. People love him,

Pete Evick: 52:15

but he Don tells the truth. He doesn't really, he doesn't shoot to anything.

Chuck Shute: 52:23

He was talking shit about Vince Neil, and the clip just blew up. I was just sitting back, going, Okay, I don't know what. I don't want to get sued here, but I

Pete Evick: 52:35

so when I first joined breadstand, we used doc, and used to open for us a lot, and I was the new guy. And Don wouldn't really haze me, but he wasn't the nicest guy to me, right? There was a lot of who's the new kid. I don't have time to lose. And then I think a couple of years went by and he saw I wasn't going anywhere. And one day he walked up to me and he said, you got a good gig, kid, and you're doing good. And that was pretty cool, you know what I mean? And and then, and then one day, we were playing a rock festival in Houston, Texas, and there was a bunch of us just sitting out back behind the stage, kind of lined up. It was like it had we us Twisted Sister warrant with all original members. It was one of it was one of the few shows when Janie came back before he left again. Oh, really, I didn't know you played with Warren when that Janie, it was actually his last show ever. At the look at Houston. I forget what it's called, but, um, and if you go watch the videos, you see me standing on the side of the stage, and because I was such a giant warrant fan, Oh, me to love them and and I remember me and Chuck were there. And, you know, the warrant guys are like brothers to me, they're, they're, they're family to me, and me, my drummer truck, we're standing outside the stage. And you can watch these YouTube videos, and you see the moment where the rest of the band looks at each other and goes, it's just not working. It's not going to work. And then that was his last gig with him, you know what I mean. So I saw the last moment Jenny was ever in Warren. But anyway, there was all these guys. Alice Cooper was on the Bill Hicks had just gotten back together, and it was one of the first times anyone had ever seen them. And it was like a 20 band bill. And some reason, me and Don were sitting leaning next to each other on his fence, and Ingre monstone had just walked off the stage, and he tripped and he fell in front of us. What and Don started fucking laughing. He said something like, sir. Was that asshole writer, whatever it was. And I'm not a giant mom's team fan like I'm not. He's great God, no one can do what he can do. And I remember that day putting my ear on the back of his guitar cabinet just to is he I'm wanting to hear it as loud as I could possibly hear that he's really that fucking good and not hitting any notes wrong or anything like that. You know, because Live in Concert, a lot of stuff can get masked by the energy. And I, while he was playing, I walked up and I got down on my knees, and I literally put my ear on the back of the cabinet. He's that good man. Momstein is that fucking good. It's ridiculous, but, but you know his he has a reputation. You know that, right?

Chuck Shute: 55:43

Yeah, I think I've, uh, I've had on a Jeff Scott Soto. I thought, oh, yeah, oh, Jeff. Jeff is so nice. He's like, I just want to be friends with him again. He's like, I know he doesn't want me back in the band, but he's like, I just want to be his friend. I want to have peace and all this. And I was like, Oh, he seems genuine. I don't, I don't know, but

Pete Evick: 56:01

nothing is genuine. I don't know Jeff very well, but, but he's wonderful and and a wonderful soul, and whatever, for whatever reason, invade wouldn't want to be that guy's friend. That's, that's anybody's loss. But so invade fell, and Dom started laughing, and I started laughing, and it was, it was the next level of bonding again, we're not great friends. We have each other's phone numbers. I've texted them time for time. But my point about Don is there was a night, maybe eight, eight years ago when we did a tour with Warren Docken, Bobby blotters, rat and us, and Bobby's, a lot to deal with. Bobby blotters a lot to deal with, and it was the last night of the tour. And Bobby was going to present all his new hired guns with gold records he had had made as a as a gift. Sorry about my phone as a gift. So for whatever reason, he wanted the biggest dressing. Right? Great White was on this bill with us, the version with Jack Russell, okay? And Jack's health had already begun to decline severely, right? And Jack and Dom were like best friends. I don't know if you know that,

Chuck Shute: 57:41

but yeah, I think I did. And then wasn't Yeah, because I think there was a clip too that I have that were they talked about Don Jack Russell joining dawkin, or was it Don dawkin joining Great White vice I can't remember, but there was some connection there,

Pete Evick: 57:56

yeah, but they they loved each other, yeah, so and early in the morning, because I was the tour manager and the guitar player, I would come and I would assign the dressing rooms. And this particular arena didn't have it was laid out really funky, and it was one really big dressing room that was really close to the stage. All the other dressing rooms weren't close to the stage, so we're the headliner, and we're Brett Michaels, so we should have that dresser, right? I mean, that's how it goes, right?

Chuck Shute: 58:31

I don't, yeah, I don't know. I've never been in the band. I don't know. Like, you hear stories about those kinds of things, and people argue it. Some people don't give a shit, and then,

Pete Evick: 58:39

yeah. So the point of that was, on that tour, it was my decision who got what dressings, and even if the dressing room was the biggest dressing room, whatever dressing room was closest to the stage we gave Jack Russell, oh, because of the health, yeah, yes, yes. So Bobby comes in. What the fuck I need the biggest dressing room today. Ah, he starts yelling at me. He's like, if it wasn't for us, poison wouldn't be on the fucking map anyway. And Brett's here because of us giving him a chance anyway. And I'll get him out of this dressing room. And I said, Bob, like, let me talk to everyone, but I gave it to Jack, and Don hears this happening from down the room. Oh, Don comes. He stands by my side, and he goes, Bobby, what the fuck is your problem? It's fucking Jack's room. What the fuck he like? He just joins the fight and he's like, whatever fucking Pete says it is. I'm down there in the corner. I'll take the smallest dressing room, whatever. But my point to this is, Love him or hate him. Don speaks the truth and he stands up, you know. So, you know, later that night, Don's still so mad at Bob about it that they're all in a bar, and Don's so agitated. It. He's, he gets in a fight with the with Bob and the cops kicked Don out of the bar like a physical fight. He tried to it. Didn't get to it. It got broke up before that. But that's, that's my point to that is how passionate the one thing I respect about Don talking is he's, he's passionate about who he likes, he's passionate about who he doesn't like and he there, there's is, I don't know him that well. I know him as an acquaintance, but he, as far as I can tell, there's no bullshit. He tells it to you straight.

Chuck Shute: 1:00:33

I know that's how I love that. He's a great interview. He's like, the best interview you can have, because he's not going to hold back. I

Pete Evick: 1:00:40

actually remember doc and was opening for poison here in my hometown at Jiffy Lube live. And Don's mother passed away, and Don's brother called him five minutes before they were going on stage and said, Your mom just died, and I'll never forget he went on, he performed Jesus, and he came off stage. And maybe they knew the mother was going to pass. Maybe they kind of, yeah, I'll never forget Don going my fucking brother knew that I had to go on stage. He knew what time I was going on stage. He has my schedule. He could have waited, you know, they it was a 45 minute set. They were like the first, you know, and I'll just never remember he was, he was remorseful and calm because of his mother. But I'll never forget him going my motherfucking brother could have waited 45 minutes to give me that call and, and I remember watching that moment and seeing just this real dude, you know what I mean. So it's, it's just interesting, because it's interesting that you brought up, Don, because I, I've always had respect for him. He was there. He's older than most of the guys from the 80s. He was there trying to make it in the 70s and, and so he has a he has a deeper vision and a longer tail to tell than most of those

Chuck Shute: 1:02:06

guys. Yeah, no, it's fascinating. So what do you think is the deal with him and George Lynch? Because why did they not? Because I had Lynch on my show too, and he was, like, really nice. I like, he has kind of, like, a dry sense of humor, but I thought he was hilarious, like he was fucking around with me and but it was like, it was all like, really kind. It wasn't like he wasn't being, it wasn't mean spirited. But I don't know, he gets a bad reputation sometimes too.

Pete Evick: 1:02:32

I don't know what to say about George. George has, I've done a gig with George playing guitar with me before. I do this charity thing with Eric bregaman Red Beach, and George sat in with us one night for the whole set. It was fascinating. It was it was a lot of fun. And he had that dry sense of humor you're talking about, yeah, like to the point where a couple times I and I'm very sarcastic and dry myself, and I remember a couple times going see is it's hard to read. He's hard to read, right? Yeah, he's hard to read. But in turn, he's really just joking. He's a lighthearted guy, yeah, yeah. And I don't know what they're it's just singer, guitar player, right? I don't know what it is. I even part of that problem, I think, comes that Don, Don, at a certain point his life was just as good of a guitar player, maybe not as innovative, maybe not as he didn't have that crazy sound or or something. But as far as technique and playability, I don't think there's anything that George does that Don actually can't play

Chuck Shute: 1:03:36

that's interesting that you say they are because I think he said that. I mean, they started out as a trio. I believe it was just that Don played all the guitars, and then I think he said something on, I don't feel it was my interview or another one, but he said that he changed some of the guitar solos on doc, and, like, he went into the studio and fixed them after George left, and he's like, I had to, like, fix his solos because he fucked up or something. I was like, wow, yeah, yeah. And people didn't. People were commenting on my I think it was mine, because I feel like I remember the comments. People going, that's total bullshit. He couldn't do that. He didn't, and that he's just lying. So you're but you're saying he probably could have done that.

Pete Evick: 1:04:11

Oh, without a doubt. And Tom's a producer, too. Tom very much could have done that. You know, it's interesting. There's a lot of lot of people don't realize because they you know, I go through this myself on a very small level, but a lot of people don't realize what other people do. Because when they first see you, you know, Sully, the singer of God smack, is one of the best drummers you'll ever see in your life. You know, he's incredible. Steven Tyler started as a drummer,

Chuck Shute: 1:04:41

Janie lane, too,

Pete Evick: 1:04:42

I think, right? Well, Janie was great at everything but Mark Torin from the bullet boys, great

Chuck Shute: 1:04:49

guitar player. He was with Ozzy for like, a week or something.

Pete Evick: 1:04:53

Nobody knows that he's mind blowingly good guitar player. Yeah, there's a lot. Mark slow. Her is an incredible guitar player. But when you step up to be a singer, you gotta let some of that go, you know, and, you know, it's, it's interesting, when I was in my band, somewhat reason, I was a songwriter, guitar player, and I wanted to be a Guitar Hero, even it was the 90s, and that wasn't guitar. Was my passion, playing guitar, but I was a songwriter, so when the singer left, my lawyer and the producer and the record label, they said, you get the old guy back, or you sing, or we're dropping you. I said, you motherfuckers. I can't, can't sing. You're sitting in for failure? And they said to me, they said, Kurt Cobain can't sing, but he wrote the songs, and he delivers the lyric with conviction, and that's at the end of the day, the part that you don't understand is you can't just get any singer. What makes a hit song is that singer singing those songs and making you believe it, right? You gotta have passion to be truly giant when Brett sings every rose he's feeling every minute of that right? So moving on. I spent nine months on Broadway taking vocal lessons from this guy. My actually used to take lessons, but before me was Ali sheety, the actress. Oh, wow. Really? After me was Breakfast Club, yeah. And after me was Christina Aguilera. She was a little girl, and I'll never forget the teacher kept going, that little girl is going to be a star. He saw. And the teacher, his name was Don Lawrence, if you look him up. His father was a teacher. He was a teacher, and now his son's a teacher, and they've taught everyone from Mick Jagger to these Broadway stars like like Liza Minnelli and stuff like that, stuff I don't even know about their royalty as far as vocal coaches. So I spent nine months learning to sing. I came back as a singer in my band, EVOC, and I let my guitar plan go to waste. I got a lead guitar player. I let that go, you know, down the drain, but locally and everywhere else. I went back home, everyone was like, they couldn't comprehend, why are you a singer? You're such a good guitar player. Not that I'm good guitar player, but that's what they would say, you know, why would you do this or that? And then for, you know, 10 years I built a career as a singer, songs on the radio, videos, touring, all this stuff, and then opportunity came to join Brett's band, and I built such a following with 10 years as a singer, all those people were like, What the fuck are you a lead guitar player? They don't, they didn't know, you know, I'm saying. And then when I'm with Brett's band, and people go back and discover that I can sing. There's, it's confusing to people, you know. And my point of that is, again, like Mark slaughter, Mark Torin Don dawkin, and Brett can play the fuck out of the guitar, you know, he always jokes. We have video of it, actually, because Brett likes to play like he doesn't know how to do anything he likes to, you know, and then we caught videos at soundcheck him playing a bunch of rough songs this year, like playing rough stuff on the guitar. It's like, you know, keep telling them, I'm going to release that. I guess I just told the world. But, you know, you know, but so you never know. But without a doubt, I think that that's the tension. Is that I don't think George liked being told what to do by his singer, who was also acting as a producer. And a lot of guitar players, including myself, they don't they don't want their singer to tell them what to do, because they like to believe that singers do what singers do, and guitar players do what guitar players do. You stay out of my playground. I'll stay out on your playground. And I think that had to create whatever tension was between

Chuck Shute: 1:08:42

Don and George. No, that makes sense, yeah? I mean, because, but there are so many musicians like that. I mean, I think the perfect examples of Beatles, right? I mean, didn't they all play all the different instruments, and then, you know, Ringo would get to sing one song every album. Or they had that have these little rules and things like that,

Pete Evick: 1:08:57

yeah? Like the kiss guys, you know, kiss always, every member got to sing, or whatever you know, you know, and even David Lee Roth can play guitar. You can see it now that no one showed that stuff until later. I know he played ice cream man, which is little blues thing, but together for different kind of truth. He played some acoustic guitar live and played some fun things. And you can see on his podcast and stuff, you see him playing and but I don't believe for a second, like out of you know, 40 years later, now that Ed's dead, all of a sudden, daily Roth is saying, I wrote those guitar solos. I'm like, Dave, your ego's so big you should have said that while you were alive. You never said that till now. Like that, that's shut the

Chuck Shute: 1:09:41

up. I didn't even hear that. He's saying he wrote guitar solos for oh, if

Pete Evick: 1:09:45

you watch the Joe Rogan podcast with him on it,

Chuck Shute: 1:09:48

I was I got about halfway through, and I was like, Dude, I can't finish this.

Pete Evick: 1:09:52

There's a whole section where he how he would tell Ed what to play. And I'm like, I don't know if that's true, man. I. I'm sitting here believing you don doc and with George, but I don't want to believe it with Ed, only because I know the dynamic, and I know that that that noone thought like Ed, that was a different he created things and thought differently and and there's just no way that, that he Dave said you should do this and not for teacher. There's no right.

Chuck Shute: 1:10:22

Well, didn't they say? But that's the thing with Lynch, is that they said that George Lynch was doing some of that tapping stuff before Eddie Van Halen, that maybe Eddie Van Halen copied it from Lynch or something. Or are they saying

Pete Evick: 1:10:33

about Randy Rhoads ace, really? Now claims that he tapped, you know what? I mean, like, there's interviews with ace saying that it's, you know. But the truth of the matter is, you know, there were those like Chet. Adkins was doing shit like that, and Ed was just, there's a couple articles with Eddie that talk about he was just trying to figure out what Chet Atkins was doing. Now, Chet didn't actually tap, but he was doing this kind of thing. He would use his hand to create these harmonics against which Ed also does, like at the beginning of or the middle of dance tonight, or at the beginning of women in love, I think it is or Afu. Are all fired up, but Ed was just trying to figure out what Chad akin was doing. So none of them invented tapping, you know what? I mean, not even Ed. But Ed took it to a level that no one else has ever thought of, you know, right?

Chuck Shute: 1:11:34

Well, that's that's always a thing, right? Like people think of things first, but then someone else can take that and take it to the next level. So what was more important, the person who kind of maybe first thought of it, or the person that took it and took it to the next level?

Pete Evick: 1:11:48

Yeah, yeah, exactly, you know. And you know what? Ace really does, tap on the kiss alive two guitar solo, so And Gene Simmons found kiss. So the question is, did gene go, Ace do this? Or did gene say, hey, ace, does this? You do this? You know what? I mean, like, you know, I know the truth of that. Eddie had been tapping for years before that. But it's just, it's just interesting. All that's interesting. Who claims they did what first, and none of it matters unless you wrote a hit song, unless the song is memorable. I mean, England seems got 20 records worth of the best guitar playing in the world. And I don't know one of those songs. Yeah. I mean, that's

Chuck Shute: 1:12:35

a very good point, yeah. I mean, Malmsteen, I'd be tough to name a song. Trying to think, I know there's a couple that I probably recognize, but, yeah, it's the songwriting is is so much more important than any of all those things. I mean, there's people that are famous rock stars, but people like Courtney Love I mean, she's famous, but, I mean, how many people really love the songs that she wrote?

Pete Evick: 1:12:59

Right? Exactly. You know, it's funny. I feel like I've dominated this whole thing with what I wanted to say. The very beginning, you said you had a list of questions. I don't want to No,

Chuck Shute: 1:13:09

I just had some. I just, I think we covered a lot of stuff. I there was just a couple. I think initially I wanted to reach out because and have you back on the show, because I was just going through your Facebook post. Like, every time I'd get a Facebook post, I'm like, Oh my God. Like, this is what I love about you. Is like you, it's like, you talk about Don dawkin, not holding back and being truthful. Like, I felt like that's what your Facebook has been recently. Like, just all sorts of stuff. You're talking about politics and and the the Iron Dome, and then you're talking about, like, poison, and talking about Brett Michael's health, and, like, just all this, like, really juicy stuff that I was like, wow, this is, can

Unknown: 1:13:44

I make a post up Iron Dome?

Chuck Shute: 1:13:47

Yeah, you did. I screenshotted it because I it was a thing we talked about the government. You got to post about that. But then I know

Pete Evick: 1:13:54

that I sit up at night and I go, I'm going to post this in the morning. And I remember, I remember thinking about what I wanted to post about the Iron Dome. I don't remember doing it.

Chuck Shute: 1:14:08

Did I? Did I make that up? Maybe, maybe I made it up. Uh, what's interesting to me is that even the common person knows that Israel's iron or, sorry, iron curtain is the best in the world. Iran knows this more than anyone. So why would any country waste billions of dollars in artillery like Iran did yesterday? There's a much bigger plan. Yesterday was just a diversion, a billion dollar diversion. So just manage what's just imagine what's really coming. I personally think that they bombarded the entire country to find any holes in the net, and then they're going to send a nuke through that hole,

Pete Evick: 1:14:39

right? That is exactly what's scary. But I didn't remember posting it, so that's funny. Yeah, it was like, a week ago, I

Chuck Shute: 1:14:46

think, or a lot of times,

Pete Evick: 1:14:48

I'll go to bed and I'll go, I gotta post this right now, and it's the most important in my brain. I'm like, I'm gonna start a revolution. Like, like, I feel those things. I'm like, I'm gonna say the right thing. And and I'm going to start the revolution, and then I'll go to myself. Maybe it's not that important. Let me go to bed, and if I wake up in the morning and still feel this way, I'll post it. And that's what I did with that. But I don't remember that. I don't remember actually posting it, but that's exactly how I feel about that. Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 1:15:20

yeah. It is an interesting take. I mean, yeah, that stuff is that's, I know we talked about on the first episode. You talked about the 99 roughly, until, like, you were, like, used to be really worried about nuclear war and shit. Oh yeah.

Pete Evick: 1:15:34

I mean, you know what, Chuck. It's funny because I remember that that first round, and you were one of the first people I ever spoke openly about that fear. So here we are full circle, but I will tell you now that I don't know why the fear isn't like it always was, even then even I mean I talked to you, remember I was telling you that I was like, Is anyone seeing this Putin is saying nuclear war like I was freaked out, right? Well, I believe, I believe it's coming right now. I believe that the use of a nuclear weapon is going to happen within the next six months. There's nothing you can tell me that will make me change. I wouldn't be surprised if I walk out the studio right now and it's on the news. There's too many people involved, and there's too many threats of it. They're throwing that word around now, like it's like it's nothing, and, and, and you don't know if it's going to be Israel or North Korea or or Russia, or, you know, and you don't know who really has them right now. Does Iran have them or doesn't have them? Everyone keeps talking about Iran almost has them. I remember Iran being one of the big three that does have them. I don't know, you know, I mean, or big four that had them growing up and and China and, but that, that childhood fear that I had is gone. I don't have that. I had it a few years ago when I wrote or when I recorded 99 Red Bulls. God, I didn't, I don't know why I said wrote, but, but I'm confident it's coming. Now I'm not, but I don't have the fear. I don't know that the frightening. I'm not losing any sleep about it anymore, but I'm certainly focused in I certainly want to, certainly want to see the YouTube footage when it lands.

Chuck Shute: 1:17:28

Well, if it, unless it's in your backyard, then you have to see it live. And then, yeah, right now, I don't think I would hope that it wouldn't come here. I mean, I don't know. It depends on who you talk to, and like, how they could spin it. Oh yeah, they would totally do that. Oh no. They would never do that to us or that. You know, I don't, I don't know. I'm not smart enough to know. You like to think that you trust your government to take care of you, but I mean, if you look at what's going on in North Carolina and stuff right now, I mean, they can't even figure out how to get supplies to help these people that are struggling to have their houses torn down. So are they sure they're able to protect us? What's that actually,

Pete Evick: 1:18:03

don't get me started about that. And by the way, you brought that up, Augusta, Georgia was hit almost as bad as Asheville. And I have friends down there that are working their ass off and and to still just just two days ago, buddy of mine, Bruce, was cutting out houses in the woods, and there was an elderly couple in their 80s that had been in there all week long and didn't know what to do. And they were just they were still alive in there, but they'd been trapped in the house with no power, you know, from from the day of that storm. And my buddy Bruce is the guy that throws these benefit gigs that me and Eric and red Play on, and his foundation, he's he's trying to make awareness about what's happening in Augusta, and everyone's focused on Asheville. I don't know if you you brought it up, so I don't know if you could help. If I gave you the link, would you post a link to help people in Augusta? Or Sure, yeah, I can put it in

Chuck Shute: 1:19:04

the show notes, and people are just clicking. They don't have to, like, search a bunch of stuff,

Pete Evick: 1:19:09

you know? And it's hard right now, because everyone needs help. So everybody needs help. And what's about to happen right now, while we're talking Tampa may be getting wiped off,

Chuck Shute: 1:19:20

yeah, yeah, they said one of the worst hurricanes ever. Supposedly,

Pete Evick: 1:19:24

it's a crazy time. But the Asheville thing, there's a lot of things, obviously, obviously, you're, you're probably talking about the fact that she, I don't even know who the president is anymore, like is Biden the president, because Kamala is making him on everything, right? She's, well,

Chuck Shute: 1:19:45

he's doing press like, it's weird that somebody was saying that he keeps doing these live press conferences every time she has a TV appearance, like he's almost trying to spite her. Or maybe it's coincidence.

Pete Evick: 1:19:55

We're living in a weird time with it is super weird.

Chuck Shute: 1:19:58

I don't care what side you're on. It. It's gotta acknowledge the weirdness.

Pete Evick: 1:20:02

But to your point, I think is, why are we not helping our own people?

Chuck Shute: 1:20:08

Yeah, well, I think there is a lot of there's a lot of citizens that are just standing up and saying, Hey, I'm gonna go down and help, you know, fuck the government. But then suppose I don't know. I mean, I'm not this is, people are saying this is fake information or whatever, but I'm seeing videos of people saying we're trying to get view supplies, and FEMA is blocking us, or they're they're blocking the airspace, or they're telling us don't come and all this. So I don't know what's going on. It does seem like it's I

Pete Evick: 1:20:34

know for a fact that$750 people are supposed to be able to get my buddy Bruce was talking about it. He has helped something like 25 families apply for that older, elderly people that don't know how to do all that stuff. Yeah, every one of them has gotten declined. Like you're not even sending the money. You have to be approved for it. Well,

Chuck Shute: 1:20:53

yeah, it's like one of the mayors of the of the daughter of the mayor, applied for it, and then she only got$300 or something, which 750 I don't that's like, I mean, if your house got torn down, that's like three nights in a hotel. That's not, you're not getting your house rebuilt in three days. So, right?

Pete Evick: 1:21:09

And you know, the funny thing about FEMA is, I don't know if you saw this, but I forget the number, like 50 or 100 they sent like, 50 or 100 electric chainsaws to Asheville. I

Chuck Shute: 1:21:21

saw that too. Is that? Was that real? I just saw the post, and I was like, Is this real? But then again, it's like the fact that I even have to question, it tells you where we're at. So, right, right. No power, yeah, no power. But electric chainsaws.

Pete Evick: 1:21:36

It's let that. You know the Do you know what the phrase Let the meat cake is?

Chuck Shute: 1:21:40

Isn't that from Mary on Antoinette or, yeah,

Pete Evick: 1:21:44

but the point was, there was no bread. So, yeah, there's no cake. Either, if you can't have bread, you know, let the meat cake have the gas electric chainsaws, you know. And so, going back to the Iron Curtain, or what do we just

Chuck Shute: 1:21:58

Iron Dome? What is it called? Yeah, iron curtain is what you said in the

Pete Evick: 1:22:04

the one thing I didn't say in my post about the iron curtain is I still believe the United States is maybe China, but I believe that our army and our military is greater than Israel's, and we're Israel's ally, right? So, if Israel has that, what do we have that we don't know, right? Because we probably built that thing for Israel.

Chuck Shute: 1:22:35

Yeah, do we have something like you? You hope that we've got something like that because,

Pete Evick: 1:22:39

and, I mean, did you see it work the other day? It's amazing. I mean, yeah,

Chuck Shute: 1:22:43

nothing, just pieces of these missiles, like, giant pieces of missile, like, just like, falling and into the ground. And, I mean, it's, it's still kind of scary, because even if they shoot down the missiles, the pieces of the missiles, right, giant,

Pete Evick: 1:22:57

right, right. But the technology gave me an incredible comfort. I have to believe, if Israel has that, we do too,

Chuck Shute: 1:23:06

yeah, is that documented somewhere, or is that something we would keep

Pete Evick: 1:23:09

seeing because we keep our mouth shut, we we keep, I think the United States keeps, I have to believe we keep our cards close to our chest, or whatever the term is it? But it gave me this comfort watching the way that thing worked. But I'm going to say it again, just like I said that post. Everybody knows they have that thing. And I don't care who you are, money is a factor. So the fact that I ran blue, they did not blow $2 billion they invest. That was an investment in finding something out

Chuck Shute: 1:23:42

that's a good way. Yeah, I mean, I guess my fear is like, and not to give you a different complex now, but my bigger fear is not that they're going to send a nuke, because I don't think they want to destroy all the infrastructure and all that. I think they would do something more, like an EMP or, you know, some sort of, like, poison the waters, you know, just kill us all, get us to kill each other, and then they come in and just take over all the, you know, because there's so much infrastructure, why would you want to destroy with a nuclear now, it's basically wasted, right? I mean, you just got the, what do you call it? Like the

Pete Evick: 1:24:15

we say all this, but we're the only country in the world to ever drop one. We did it. Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 1:24:21

it's terrible thing, really, yeah.

Pete Evick: 1:24:24

But, you know, as far as terror goes, there's a lot of different things. Me and Brett talk about this all the time, and we talk about 911 and you know, the thing that is the scariest is, like, for instance, right now, route 40 is closed down, which is a huge trucking route, and it's shut down in the Carolinas, right? You know, the Baltimore bridge was a big part of trucking, which affects our economy and our food supply and all kinds of things. If one of those, if there's really those sleeper groups in here, and one of them. Takes out, you know, 40 on one of those bridges going across the Mississippi River or something like that. It cuts off our cuts off our chain. You blow up the bridges in the middle of the country, and we can't get back and forth between California or the east coast and the west coast the trucking industry, yeah, route 10 out where you are out. What if someone fucked up? Route 10 to point where? I mean, getting, just kidding, from Arizona to Los Angeles. I mean,

Chuck Shute: 1:25:34

we think everybody's getting along, okay. What? What happens when the food trucks stop coming? Like, what happened? I mean, you saw a little sneak preview that during covid, when people were ready to kill each other over roll toilet paper. I

Pete Evick: 1:25:46

mean, people happened last week here, here, it happened last week because we're part of that Mid Atlantic area where, where the Costco, right here in my town, they went nuts within four hours of that Asheville storm and all the power going out. All the food water and toilet paper and paper towels were gone here, you know, but um, so Brett often talks about the rear real terror is someone blowing up the bridges in the middle of the country, keeping the trucking lanes down. And what I say all the time is, I, I believe that. I think we all know that every text message anyone's ever sent is somewhere, right?

Chuck Shute: 1:26:36

It's Oh, yeah, I'm fucked if they ever

Pete Evick: 1:26:38

look at my phone. But I believe, brother, I'm telling you, we're going to wake up one day to some country that hates us, that has hacked in, compiled all the information and built this system, and we're going to wake up one day and the system's going to say, just go to this site and type your name, and I'm going to type Pete EVIC, and any text message, email or digital communication that has ever had my name in it is going to pop up and I'm going to be able to read what everyone has ever said about me. That's fucking asshole. Fuck him. You know, wow, that's scary to think about. I think that's what's going I firmly believe that's what's going to happen one day and and that's going to break down our society. Marriages are going to end, jobs are going to get lost, friendships will be wrecked, the the the the breakdown. And while that's happening, and while we're all fighting with each other and finding new places that live and and trying to figure out how we're going to survive, then North Korea is going to come in.

Chuck Shute: 1:27:52

This sounds like a really good horror movie idea.

Pete Evick: 1:27:55

It does sound good. I never

Chuck Shute: 1:27:58

thought of this is a crazy idea. This sounds like a horror like a whore, like a black mirror episode or something.

Pete Evick: 1:28:03

I I've had that in my head for years. I think that's, I think that's what's going to go down.

Chuck Shute: 1:28:08

That's a crazy and it's not that far fetched. You're probably right. There's definitely some I know the government like they have that. What is it? Uh, what is the act, the Patriot Act, or whatever that they did after 911 that basically they can listen to any phone call they want. And so you're telling me they're not keeping all those records and and somewhere that somebody's got a file on us, right? It's not far fetched, nope.

Pete Evick: 1:28:34

And it's just it'll end everything we know in that second, not any. We are too we are too loose. Slipped in America, I I have sent text messages in fits of anger, talking shit about my best fucking friends, you know, talking about we all, yeah.

Chuck Shute: 1:28:52

I mean, it's like, you vent, you're venting, and you're you're upset and you're angry, yeah. And then sometimes people do it on my podcast, like, they'll just that, I mean, and then they'll, sometimes they'll afterwards say, can you take that part out? Of course, I always do, but sometimes, like Don dawkin, I don't think he give he did not give a shit. He's like, he doesn't give a fuck, which I kind of appreciate. And that's kind of, there's something to be said about that as well, because you're like, Oh, this guy's a real asshole. But then you're like, Well, I think a lot of people have like, you said, you vent and you have anger towards even your best friends, but then, you know, you you might keep that secretly, whereas Dawn's just doing out in the open,

Pete Evick: 1:29:28

right, right, exactly. So that's how the world ends. By text message

Chuck Shute: 1:29:34

that is kind of hilarious. I kind of feel like we're already doing that with just so many podcasts and social media posts like so much is already being exposed and people arguing with each other, you know, just right, it's all right there. It's all out in public. That's right.

Pete Evick: 1:29:49

That's right. Everything you want to find out, you can find out about anything right away. Yeah. I

Chuck Shute: 1:29:55

mean it like I said, some of your posts have been pretty juicy lately.

Pete Evick: 1:29:59

Yeah. You want to bring up the Ricky thing? Yeah?