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Chuck Shute Podcast
Rising Star Avalon Stone Discusses the Music Business, Songwriting, New Songs & More!
Avalon Stone, a rising musician, discussed her songwriting journey, starting at a songwriting camp at age 10. She emphasized the importance of analytical songwriting and collaboration, mentioning her song "Cliffhanger" co-written with international collaborators. Avalon highlighted the business side of music, noting the equal split of songwriting credits and the importance of legal contracts. She shared personal experiences behind her songs, such as "Drag Me" and "Shaking Me Up," which address depression and toxic relationships. Avalon plans to release her debut album in winter, focusing on performance coaching and building a supportive team. She also expressed interest in opening for bands like Nickelback and Badflower.
00:00 - Intro
00:12 - Early Songwriting Experiences & Learning Process
03:42 - Songwriting Collaborations & Business Aspects
06:06 - Preparing for Success & Building a Team
10:17 - Social Media & Content Creation
11:47 - Performance & Stage Presence
15:10 - Emotional Songwriting & Personal Experiences
22:32 - Upcoming Shows & Album Plans
27:22 - Interactions with Other Artists & Future Goals
31:46 - Final Thoughts & Future Goals
33:44 - Outro
Avalon Stone website:
https://www.avalonstonemusic.com/
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Thanks for Listening & Shute for the Moon!
Music, hello, Hey, you made it
Avalon Stone:I did. Made it out.
Chuck Shute:It's always a good sign.
Unknown:Sometimes people don't like,
Chuck Shute:I would say like, 30% of the time people don't show up. So really, yeah, it's a, I mean, it's probably different if you're like Joe Rogan or something, I don't think people blow that off. But when you're just like an independent podcaster, like me, it's, yeah, that's what's so cool. I know I love it. It's awesome, though I'm kind of, I feel like I'm catching you on your rise up to the top. I hope. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, because you're so young. I mean, you have your whole future ahead of you.
Avalon Stone:I hope so. And
Chuck Shute:you're already making great music. How did you learn? I mean, because I've listened to all the songs that you that are out now, I think there's about there's no, you don't have a full album out yet. No, that's
Avalon Stone:coming later, okay, but yeah, songs that I've
Chuck Shute:heard are great. How did you learn how to write songs?
Avalon Stone:I wrote my first song when I was like 10. I went to this songwriting camp somewhere. I hadn't had an interest in music before. Then it was one of those things where my parents just kind of like, threw me into it. And I was like, Okay. And then I remember the first day we started writing a song, and I was like, 10, and I like, put my hand up for an idea, and I remember it being like, a really good idea. And everyone was like, Oh, that's a great idea. And then I just kept building my confidence and suggesting ideas. And I don't know, I guess I just I learned the tricks and the tips, and I've done a lot of mentor sessions with different songwriters, and I've written with a bunch of different people. So then you kind of, I guess, pick up, you know, and also just listening to music, like, what's popular, what kind of music you like? Why? I did a lot of song analyzing, and I still do, like, if I really like a song, I'll listen to it, and I'm like, Why do I like this song so much? And then I just, I'm like, oh, that's why, let me see what I can do with that kind of thing. You know,
Chuck Shute:okay, that's awesome. So you're more analytical, because somebody, for some people, I feel like they say the songs, oh, they just, it just comes to me. I know it just pours out when they start writing. But for you, you're kind of piecing things together and and putting it together like a, kind of like a puzzle,
Avalon Stone:yeah. Yeah. And it definitely, like, definitely, I will be laying in bed and I'll be rummaging through things in my brain, and then a melody or a whole, like Chorus will come to me, and I'm like, Whoa. But I think that comes from knowing what sounds good and doing all that pre preparation so that when that does come, when those melodies do come, you can tell, like, what's good? Because it's like, oh, that that makes sense. So,
Chuck Shute:yeah, that's good, that you're and you actually write your own songs, though, because there's, there's a lot of musicians, especially, I know that's a big thing in Nashville. A lot of people go down there and they sing, but like they say, that the the money is all in in writing the songs. If you don't write your own songs, it's a lot harder. It's way more competitive, because a lot of people can sing, but songwriting is is a lot harder of a skill, and it looks like you're really good at that, from what I can hear. Thank
Avalon Stone:you. Thank you. I've spent a lot of a lot of time working on it. So I'm glad that it's,
Chuck Shute:it's fruitful. Yeah, I like that. So, I mean, the cliffhanger is at your latest. That's a really cool riff.
Avalon Stone:Thank you. My guitar player came up with it. Caleb, okay, so
Chuck Shute:he so you have hell, like you said, you have co write. So, like, they'll come up with a riff, and then you'll put it together. And then I'm assuming, do you write a lot of the lyrics yourself, though? Yes.
Avalon Stone:So this one cliffhanger, we actually wrote in Spain, and I wrote it with a girl from England and a man from Sweden, I'm pretty sure, or Switzerland. I always get the two mixed up. And yeah, we were in Spain at like, the songwriters retreat, and we all had a pretty equal share in the lyrics, I would say. But when it comes to conceptualization, all of my songs are about the stuff that I've been through. So it is kind of like a suggestions are thrown from a lot of different places, but then it's kind of pieced together by what's a real and authentic experience to the artist, right? Which, in this case is me. So that's always really nice when people are are willing to help me get my vision across and be so invested in the song and all that stuff. So
Chuck Shute:how does that work with the business? Side of it, because you're an independent artist. I mean, do you have a manager or somebody or that you you give these people a songwriting credit, and they get a piece of it on Spotify and all that stuff. Or does it? Is it just a thing where it's, you're independent enough, where they people just go, oh, we'll just help you out. And you could just take it.
Avalon Stone:No, everyone gets equal splits. Okay, that's good, yeah,
Chuck Shute:you always hear stories like that. Like, what is the one girl, the Friday song, girl that, you know, she went, Rebecca Black. Rebecca Black, yeah. And, like, how, like, I think that it was a thing, like, they got the song, and then it blew up, and then the guy was like, Well, no, I want a piece. I wrote the song, and then, like, we paid for it, like, we paid whatever, like 500 bucks and then obviously made way more. So, yeah, you never, because that's the thing you never know. Even you say you're independent, but you one of these songs could blow up. It could become a song in a movie, a commercial, like all sorts of things. So,
Avalon Stone:yeah, we get the we get the contracts. You know, smart about it,
Chuck Shute:yeah, no, that's good. I that's one thing I've learned about, you know, people hate on the younger generation, but at least in terms of all the musicians that I've interviewed, you guys are way ahead of the music musicians of, say, the 80s and 90s. They did not know what they were doing. They got roped into terrible deals all these young kids, like, there's a kid here, Eddie Eberly, that was in Arizona. He's in Nashville now, but, and he was telling me he's got, like, a lawyer and all this stuff. I was like, wow. Like, and he was like, 20. I was like, wow, you already got a lawyer and manager all this stuff, like, before. I mean, so it's like, you prepare for blowing up, basically,
Avalon Stone:right? Yeah, essentially. I mean, I think it's because, I mean, everyone learns more as time goes on, right? So it's like we watched all that stuff happen to musicians of the 80s, 90s, whatever we learned what kind of went wrong there, and then also, we spent a lot of time on I spent a lot of time online. So I've heard horror stories from people of this day and age, too, with record deals or whatever, like even managers taking money from artists without them knowing, like, a whole bunch of different things, so that we know what to kind of look for, and red flags and all those kinds of things. And, yeah, I think I've also with the whole child star generation like Justin Bieber and everyone like that, you know, they weren't prepared for their success. You know, because who, who would have known Right? Like, they blossomed so fast that it's like, now we understand, and we understand what happened because of that, like that causes mental issues, and we're like, Okay, well, how can we prepare for if that were to happen, which would be amazing. How could we prepare for that? You know, to make sure that it's it's smooth and it's sustainable and it's good for everyone and all that.
Chuck Shute:How do you prepare? Have you learned, like, the tricks of the I mean, because life can just be a struggle at times, but especially, yeah, when you are thrown a bunch of success and you're not ready for it. How do you prepare for potentially blowing up?
Avalon Stone:I think building a team is really important. Like, building a team who you know is going to support you, and like, learning as much as you can about the industry. And like, if you have to wear certain hats, like, you know, you should kind of know, as an artist, you should kind of know what everyone's role is and what they should be doing. So that if somebody steps out of line a little bit, or tries to, you know, kind of curve the ball a little bit you're kind of like, that's not, that's not, right, you know what I mean, just staying informed and like, having a level head on you, I guess, is super important too, because you don't want to, mean, I'm, I'm guessing at this point, right? But that's kind of what I try and do.
Chuck Shute:Wow, it seems like you got a really good head on your shoulders, which is, I think, is an important part of growing yourself as a musician, too. I mean, because, yeah, you got to have the talent, which you obviously have, but you also have to have that business savvy or know people who to trust right, like, because that says sometimes you trust the wrong people. I've heard a lot of those kinds of horror stories, and then the bad things happen. Yeah,
Avalon Stone:it's definitely a people's game, you know, like, that's what it's all about, even you can be not talented at all, like, and you can still do well if you know the right people, and if you are a good person to be around, right? Or, sometimes
Chuck Shute:I just feel like it's like happenstance or luck or I mean, look at that like the hawk to a girl. I mean, she's got her own pot. She is the number three most popular podcast five years. Yeah, number three. I mean, I don't know if it'll stay number three, but for whatever this week, it was, like number three most popular podcast, which so frustrating for. Like me, who's like, been trying so hard for, you know, grinding for five years and and then someone just comes along is like, boom, they're like, an instant success. And I
Avalon Stone:know, I know I've looked at that too, because I've been doing this for like, a decade now, and when people just blow up on tick tock, when they release like one song, I'm just like, okay, okay,
Chuck Shute:yeah, that is a thing with the Tiktok. So are you? You're on Tiktok then as well, and you're using the that as a way to grow your brand.
Avalon Stone:I try, you know, I'm, that is the thing that I think I could use the most development in is the content creation, the social media aspect of it. I mean, it's, it's difficult, like, I'm an artist, right? And I, I like to write songs, I like to perform music. I like to play music. I like to even do a lot of the business, things like bio writing, just any kind of writing, any creative stuff. But as soon as it comes to talking to a camera, or, you know, singing in front of a camera with no audience, I just, there's no motivation for me to do that. And I have, I think it's one of those things where it's like, you just gotta keep pushing, pushing, pushing, because, like, the 100th video you do is gonna blow up, kind of thing. But it's really hard to get to 50. You know what I mean? No,
Chuck Shute:yeah. I mean, going back to the guy I mentioned earlier from Arizona, I think it's, I think he's changed his name to Eddie in the getaway, I think the same his group, but because he had, like, I don't know, like, 9000 followers on Instagram, and like, he wasn't posting very much. But then, I don't know when he moved to Nashville, I think he got hooked up with a manager or something, or somebody told him, You need to start posting more. And he started posting a lot of videos on Instagram and Tiktok, and he blew up. I think he's last I checked. I think he's at like a quarter million now, but it's a lot of little clips and video. And then I think during the pandemic too, I think he went live a lot on Tiktok, that's a big thing. And he was just playing. So, I mean, it's like, think about, you're playing your guitar, you're practicing, or whatever, just hanging out, turn on your phone and go live on Tiktok. And you'd be surprised how many people would be interested in hearing that, and would be like, curious and start following you. Totally, yeah. It is kind of like, sometimes I think it's a numbers game. Like, yeah, there's a people like a hawk to a girl that just blow up from one clip. But then there's a lot of it. It's just like, grinding and grinding and grinding and creating clip, clip, clip, and then it just starts to slowly grow. I think you could grow a lot faster than, like, say, like a podcaster such as myself, like, because you have so much talent. Thank
Avalon Stone:you. Thank you. Yeah, it's, it's one of those things where it's, like, it's, it's learning, right? I mean, I've been, I've been doing this project. We released our first song almost a year ago, like, not even, not even a year ago. So you know, like you learn as you go, and it's been, it's been, definitely, there's been a lot of learning moments, and I think that's one of them, is the importance of creating videos and taking risks in videos or on stage or right now I'm focusing on performance coaching and doing all that kind of stuff to like up my live show. And I think that's part of preparing, you know, for the shot. The the you know opportunity is just getting all your stuff in order, right. And then when the video does blow up, hopefully, then, you know, you got stuff to back it up. But,
Chuck Shute:yeah, so when you look at performing, like, changing your performance, you're talking about, like, stage moves and stuff. Is there certain positions that you look at that you want to
Avalon Stone:Yeah, or like, banter, things like that. The banter,
Chuck Shute:okay, I love see. I love stage banter. I mean, the kings of this, which is, like, it's a whole nother. I'm not saying you should do this, but, like, if you ever see a Steel Panther show, have you ever seen them? I haven't, oh my gosh. It because it's like, full on, like, comedy plus music. And they, I mean, they do, like, you know, it's like a couple minutes of banter and they joke. And I every time I've seen them, like, 20 or 30 times, it's different every time. I don't know how they do it, but that's like, the extreme. But yeah, some people, and then also some, but sometimes too, you gotta be careful, because I feel like the banter can get you in trouble if you say something that's, like, politically incorrect or whatever. Yeah, people get mad that. What? How dare they said this? And so, yeah, yeah,
Avalon Stone:definitely gotta be politically correct on stage and off. You know, that's good too.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, that's true. Everything's document, I think too. That's, that may be why your generation is making better moves with the music business. Like it's, you're not getting screwed over as much because everything is so transparent now, like these managers, these sneaky guys, can't really hide anymore and be if you're, if you're dirty, it's like you're exposed a lot sooner. Now,
Avalon Stone:exactly, yeah, because everything's, everything's there, you know, like, yeah, there's always pictures, there's always videos, there's always cameras around, you know?
Chuck Shute:Yeah. Yes, you got to be careful. It's like, then you can look at band like, you know, Motley Crue, and it's like, they built their brand on controversy, like, so it's like, I don't know,
Avalon Stone:too, you know? It's like, it's about what your brand is and what your audience wants, right? Like, that's the whole thing. Yeah,
Chuck Shute:you're so you said the your first song that you guys was drag me. That was the first song you wrote on your own, right? That's kind of the hook. That's a cool one.
Avalon Stone:Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, that was, that was a, that was a really cool one. Because that one I remember being in the car with my mom, and she was like, I feel like I have to drag you through life. I was going through like, this depressive episode, and pretty sure, this was during the pandemic. And I was like, ooh. Like, that hit me, you know? I was like, that's rough, you know, because it hit me like, it's true, I wasn't doing anything, like in order to get me out of bed, like you had to really get me out, you know, like, all those kinds of things. And so I was like, Oh yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna write a song about that. And I just kind of picked up a guitar, and actually, that song was another thing where I did it, like, I wrote different things, and then I pieced them together, kind of thing. It was very The concept was inspirational, but then I, like, pieced it together.
Chuck Shute:That's cool, yeah, that I love, that. That's it is a complicated thing, writing songs, and it's just different for everybody. But whatever you're doing is obviously working. The other one that, I mean, you have so many good ones, the song harder. I want to ask you about that, though, because you said that's about growing up and not enjoying it. But the music video looked really easy because it looked like the coolest music video. You're just laying down in bed, like, sleeping. I was like, Oh, this must have been so fun to film.
Avalon Stone:Yeah, I kind of was. I was like, just, I actually, at one point I, I, like, took a nap. I'm so tired. It was so cold in that studio, though, I that's the only thing. It was really cold in that studio, because we shot it during, like, December, January, and there was, like, no heating, and so I was freezing, so I'd have to, like, go under the covers for a bit and then come out and then, like, roll around on the bed, or whatever I did. But that song, yeah, it's about a lot of things. It's that was the, actually the first song that I wrote I was in a band, and it, which ended two years ago now, something like that, vintage flight, I think, right? Vintage flight, yeah, yeah. Um. And so we went our separate ways, and then I was kind of like, well, what now? Like, what? What do I do with my life now? And then I went to this songwriting thing to, like, try it out. Because I was like, I don't know who I am, what kind of music I want to make. I don't know what I'm doing. Let's figure it out. Um, and so I went and this song was one of those songs where I, I was just talking about, you know, stuff I was going through. And my co writer, he was amazing, and his name's Joe Jacobs, and he's amazing. And he was just kind of like, tell me what's going on in your life. Let's, let's make something for you. I was like, okay, that's so nice. And I was just like, Listen off a bunch of things. And I was like, it's just so much harder than it used to be. And he was like, that right there. That's the line. And we decided to make it like a blues ballad slash like a heavy blues rock ballad kind of thing. And it was just kind of about everything, like how I didn't want to ever get up out of bed in the morning because I didn't see a good way of living at that point, because I was just so unmotivated. Very similar times to drag me and I was just like I used to when I was younger, and when I was more ignorant and naive, it was easier to get out of bed in the morning because I didn't have all this weight. I wasn't so jaded. I wasn't there. Wasn't like, something basically like sticking me into like this stuck place, which is what the whole album is about, is being in a confined, stuck place, because you don't know what life outside of that looks like, because you just can't see it anymore. And so, yeah, that was it's probably. Probably, probably my favorite song that we've released so far, just in terms of, like, real emotional I mean, all of them are emotional, but, like, real emotional songwriting specifically,
Chuck Shute:yeah, well, and then the song shaking me up. I mean, I feel like that is definitely an emotional song as well. It sounds like it's more of a darker topic, like assuming it's about a fight based on the music video and the lyrics.
Avalon Stone:Yeah, it's, it's about a lot of fights. It's about a lot of fights, okay, yeah. I mean, it's, it's about, it's about two people, which I was one of them, one person with anger problems, and one person with depression, and I'm the person with depression, and the way just kind of can blow up, um, and it just the way that that made me feel like the way that, you know, being yelled at, being, you know, there was a lot to it for sure, which I'm not going to get into, but just the amplification of worse traits and how toxic that can be, and how no one should ever yell at anyone, because it sucks.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, I know I have that. I yell sometimes too, with my girlfriend, but I'm always like, I'm yelling at the situation. I'm not yelling at you. You know, she's fine. It's like, usually I'm not mad at her. I'm like, be in traffic or, you know, something, I'll be mad, I'll yell. But I'm like, I'm not yelling at you. I'm not at the situation. So I clear that up. But yeah,
Avalon Stone:definitely a difference. Definitely difference. Yeah, I yell too.
Chuck Shute:He likes to be yelled at? Yeah, no, yeah. Especially, like, if I don't view her at a job where a boss has yelled at you and like, and I to me, I just like, I'm too old for that kind of thing. Like, it's different if you're a little kid and your parent yells at you, okay, you know, maybe that's but like, when you, when you become an adult, I feel like you can't have another adult yell at you. It's just, it's, I don't know it's demeaning. I guess it is.
Avalon Stone:Yeah, it's the lack of respect. It's like, Why do you think that you can talk to me in that way? You know, and it wasn't just the the yelling. There was, like, a lot surrounding it. I think that's the whole, that's whole idea is, like, kind of painting the song, kind of paints a picture where it's like, these are, this is a bad situation, and it's worse when you yell, you know what I mean? Like, it's just then that's the breaking point. Is like, then I can't do it anymore, like, that kind of thing. And that relationship is actually very much explored throughout the album cliffhanger, the most recent release is also about that situation and that. It's kind of almost like the sequel to shaking me up. It's almost that like that, that breaking point where it's like, Okay, I've had enough of that. Can I cling on to the good parts, or should I cut ties with this person? Right? And it's that, that internal battle being like, am I strong enough to do either of those options, you know? So, yeah, and that whole thing just keeps, keeps going. Yeah?
Chuck Shute:Reminds me of Alanis Morissette, you know, like I don't, hopefully these songs aren't about the same guy, Dave Coulier or whatever. Nope. Okay, just
Avalon Stone:imagine, yeah, yeah.
Chuck Shute:Are you a fan of hers?
Avalon Stone:She's Yeah, yeah. She's Canadian. Yes, you're
Chuck Shute:Canadian, right? You live in, uh, near Toronto, or something. Kitchener,
Avalon Stone:about, yeah, an hour south of Toronto. Okay. Kitchener, yeah, it's a it's a good place. I do. I actually am in the process of getting my green card right now, so hopefully I'll be able to join you down there.
Chuck Shute:Oh, yeah. So then, would you move to the states? Are you saying just a tour or both?
Unknown:Hopefully both. Okay, so
Chuck Shute:you move her, and then you tour all throughout, wow, okay, which, which city are you eyeing? Like Nashville or LA or New York? I'm
Avalon Stone:thinking. I'm thinking like LA, California. I was thinking Seattle for a bit, because I'm
Chuck Shute:from originally, really, yeah, I'm in Phoenix. Now we don't, yeah. I mean, we have a little bit of a music scene. If you came down here, you would kill I mean, you'd be like, the biggest star in Phoenix. I feel like,
Avalon Stone:well, I'll definitely visit, yeah,
Chuck Shute:yeah. Alice Cooper lives here, and so there's a little bit of a music scene. La, I mean, I feel like Nashville. I know people think it's like country music, but have you ever been to Nashville?
Avalon Stone:I've never been see I'm 20, yeah, like, I barely go down to the States. Well, I'm turning 21 in less than two weeks. But okay, you gotta go, Yeah, my birthday in the States. So you gotta go
Chuck Shute:to, well, I would say. Two cities. I mean, I'd love for you to come to scouts too, or Phoenix, because I I'd love to come see a play. But definitely on your bucket list, definitely put Nashville, actually three. And Nashville just to see the music scene. It's, it's insane. And then Austin is also very good Music City. And, and since you're going to be 21 you got to go to Vegas. I mean, yeah, music scene is fun there, but just Vegas in general is just, it's just you gotta it's worth going for being 21 on your 21st birthday. I feel like, when I turned 21 my parents took me to Vegas. I was like, Oh, this is amazing. Yeah, those three LA, have you been to LA before?
Avalon Stone:I have been but I went during the pandemic, so Oh yeah, and that's Yeah, but I'm visiting la in two weeks. So, oh, okay,
Chuck Shute:go to the here's my tip for LA. I know, if you like, do you like stand up comedy? Oh,
Avalon Stone:I you know. Actually, I was just having a conversation about this with somebody. I have never been to a Stand Up Show.
Chuck Shute:Okay, go to the Comedy Store. It's like every famous comedian that you can think of, they all go there and they'll do like, five minute sets or whatever, I mean, and Steven, if so, if you Well, if you've never seen a comedy show, I think that would be a good place to start. I think it'd be really fun. But the Whiskey a Go, Go is like a legendary music venue. Oh, I've been there, yeah, okay. So they're like, down the street from each other. So, yeah,
Avalon Stone:sunset, yeah.
Chuck Shute:Do you have any you have a couple shows scheduled in Canada. Do you have any other shows that are not on the website yet that you can announce?
Avalon Stone:I have, I forget which ones are on the website. There's
Chuck Shute:only like two on there right now.
Avalon Stone:Yeah. So I got one October 18 in Sarnia. I got one in Toronto on october 25 and I've got one in London on November 15, and that's it for now. Yeah, we're definitely focusing on creating the album right now. We're actually just finishing up writing and arranging the last three songs right now. So then we're going to get back into the studio with those, and then we're going to drop the album sometime this winter. And I'm really excited about it. It's, I mean, it's my first one, and it's, I think it's, it tells a story, and it gets a point across. And I don't know, I'm, I'm pretty proud of it so far. So, yeah, yeah,
Chuck Shute:no, it's great. It's great. So the stuff I've heard is, is great. The videos are great. And you've, you've already done some big shows, right? I mean, you you open for the Goo Goo Dolls at this music festival. Did you have any interaction with them? I know some, lot of times musicians keep separate dressing rooms, but yeah.
Avalon Stone:I mean, they had their own, like, quiet area, which is totally cool. They they were awesome live. They were so great. Hung out with the truths, though. So that was the same day we open up for the truths as well. They're a Canadian band. They're pretty big. Oh, okay, yeah, check them out. Yeah, they're great, um, and I just opened up for the beaches about a week and a half ago. Um, did you
Chuck Shute:open for SAS Jordan too? That would be interesting. Yeah, is that you guys are kind of similar? Did she? Did you? I would think that she would maybe reach out and give you some advice or something.
Avalon Stone:Maybe she, like we were, I, like, by association, opened up for her. We played the same stage on the same day, kind of thing, yeah? But so we didn't actually get to talk, but I'm sure, sure we'd be able to set something up anyway, yeah? But
Chuck Shute:you did meet the Barenaked Ladies when you were 13 or something. That sounds kind of like cool. Did they give you any advice or anything? Oh, God,
Avalon Stone:I don't even remember. The thing I do remember is that, so we have this place in Kitchener city I live in, and it's called Bobby O'Brien's, and it's a staple for, like, it's like a local staple, right? So it's just so interesting that I was there, and then all of a sudden, the bare naked ladies, for some reason, knew that that was like the place to go, you know what I mean? And then they signed a napkin for me, and then I lost the napkin.
Chuck Shute:Oh, well, you have the story, at least exactly
Avalon Stone:I lose everything. I have had, like, I've got guitar picks from people, drumsticks, set lists, I don't know where they went, Hmm, just lose everything.
Chuck Shute:What's on your bucket list is there? What bands do you want? I know you're a fan of Allison chains and smashing pumpkins. Are those two that you'd want to open for reckless or, yeah,
Avalon Stone:yeah, I'd love to open for, you know, who I'd really like to open up for, which is kind of hilarious, is Nickelback. I would love to open up for Nickelback. They're Canadian. They're Canadian. I'd love to open for them pretty reckless. Um. Band out of LA called Bad flower that I really, oh
Chuck Shute:my god, I love them. I've been just trying to get that guy on my podcast. I'm like,
Unknown:oh Josh, yeah. I'm
Chuck Shute:like, so, so funny. I was, I was interviewing this band, goodbye, June and and we're doing the interview, and all of a sudden he pans the camera over, and it was Josh from bad flower, and he's just like, Ty and I was like, What the hell like he just, he cameoed in my interview, but then I never could get him on. But, oh, my God, they're that latest song, teachers got a gun or whatever.
Avalon Stone:Oh, he just got a gun. And then they released a song after that called Detroit, Detroit. Yeah, both
Chuck Shute:of those are, oh, you gotta Yes. Let's put that on. Let's put this in the universe, they're gonna open for bad flowers.
Avalon Stone:I wanted that for so long. Yeah, for
Chuck Shute:sure, they're coming. Because they're coming to Phoenix. They're on a tour right now. I was surprised. The venue they're playing is is kind of small. I'm like, I feel like they need to play a way bigger venue. It's going to be really crowded.
Avalon Stone:Maybe that's what they want. Maybe they want it to be crowded. Yeah,
Chuck Shute:have you tried to reach out to them, and
Avalon Stone:not yet, I feel like I want to get the album done first, sure. Just kind of put that all out there. I we do have some mutual friends, though, so, you know, oh, really, who
Unknown:maybe i
Avalon Stone:Yeah, so I need a dead poet society. Do you know them? Yeah,
Chuck Shute:I had him on Jack, yeah, I had my show. Which
Avalon Stone:one the guitar player? Uh,
Chuck Shute:Jack, what's he's like, the front man. He's
Avalon Stone:a singer. Oh, the singer, because the guitar players also named Jack. Oh,
Chuck Shute:that's right, okay, yeah,
Avalon Stone:they're a great band. Yeah,
Chuck Shute:I love that those guys are great.
Avalon Stone:Yeah, they are. I would love to open up for them too. That
Chuck Shute:would be, they're really good live. We saw them down here. They played a very small venue, and it was packed, and it was so crowded, but the energy was like, because Jack is such a good front man. I mean, he got, he made everybody, like, sit down, and then we all jumped up at the same time. And it was, it was crazy. It was a wild show. I
Avalon Stone:love that's awesome, yeah, I love that kind of genre of music. Super into that kind of thing, yeah, yeah. They're great guys too. Yeah, yeah.
Chuck Shute:Do you like a highly suspect. I just had that singer on my
Avalon Stone:Oh yeah. You just talked to him, yeah, I went to go see them. They so they did their first ever Canadian show in Toronto, and I got to go see that. That was awesome. They were really great,
Chuck Shute:cool. Well, I look forward to seeing you open for some of these people, and then eventually maybe they're going to open for you. So
Avalon Stone:maybe
Chuck Shute:awesome. So do we have an actual release date for the album? Or just you said this winter, sometime this
Avalon Stone:winter, I'm really focused right now on getting the songs to where I feel comfortable with them being the best that they can be, rather than promising a date. But I'm really gunning for the winter. I mean, it's the first album, right? Like, I originally thought it was going to be done by the end of the year, and then as time went on, I realized, Oh, this is like, a lot of work.
Chuck Shute:Yeah? Well, there's nothing wrong with taking your time. You just don't be like, you know, Guns and Roses, Chinese Democracy and take like, 20 years. But, yeah,
Avalon Stone:I'll put it out before I'm 40. Okay,
Chuck Shute:all right, sounds good. Well, I look forward to hearing new music and hopefully eventually seeing you perform a live show in the States, unless, if I'm in Canada, I'll hit you up. But otherwise, I'll have to see you in the states if you come here. Yeah, hopefully soon. Okay, cool. Keep me posted. Thanks so much for doing this. I appreciate it.
Avalon Stone:Thanks for having me All right. Bye, bye, you.
