Author David Masters Discusses Near Death Experiences & Spiritual Awakening

David Masters is an author and radio/tv producer.  In this episode we discuss David's unique experiences, including a three-day out-of-body experience at age 13 and the ability to interpret dreams.  David talks about overcoming bullying and the importance of resilience. We explore the concept of dimensions, the impact of psychedelics on awareness, and the significance of meditation in enhancing objectivity. David also touches on the role of dreams in accessing higher realms, the influence of spiritual forces, and the potential dangers of power and the occult. The discussion highlights the David's journey of self-discovery and the pursuit of deeper truths.

0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:12 - Out-of-Body Experience and Early Life Challenges
0:04:28 - Resilience and Bullying
0:05:19 - Impact of Bullying and Personal Growth
0:09:52 - Exploring Dimensions and Spiritual Experiences
0:18:45 - Meditation and Personal Transformation
0:34:47 - Psychedelics and Spiritual Awakening
0:55:10 - Dream Interpretation and Spiritual Insights
0:55:54 - Lucid Dreaming and Spiritual Encounters
1:01:14 - Extraterrestrial Encounters and Ancient Alien Theory
1:07:15 -Power and Its Corrupting Influence
1:29:55 - Outro

David Masters website:
https://escapeyourmindsprison.com/

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Transcript

Chuck Shute: 0:12

Let's do this. How are you?

David Masters: 0:14

How you feeling? Yeah, my neck is still sore. But other than that, I'm recovering. Okay, what do you do? You

Chuck Shute: 0:20

have any sort of experience with this in terms of you didn't it was, it wasn't like you had an ax car accident, but it wasn't this. Wasn't like a near death

David Masters: 0:28

kind of thing or anything. No,

Chuck Shute: 0:30

not this time. Okay, no, because you've had those in the past. I mean, that's kind of what got you interested in a lot of these topics that we're going to discuss

David Masters: 0:38

here. Yeah, I had a three day long out of body experience that I was fully conscious of myself, watching my human body going around, interacting with people. And this was when I was, I think, 13 years old, and I just watched and observed from a distance like a balloon tied around the wrist of a kid, just all day long, all night long, I was up in the corner of the room, watching myself sleep, waking up the next day, going through my routine, and then on the third day, I popped back in my body. Was this from? This was a surfing accident thing? No, that happened when I was that happened when I was 17.

Chuck Shute: 1:23

Okay, so what happened at 13,

David Masters: 1:27

I went to bed one night, I woke up the next morning, I was outside my body.

Chuck Shute: 1:31

Okay? So it wasn't like you didn't have, like, an injury or anything. It was just no it just happened random. Just totally

David Masters: 1:38

happened at random and but I do believe that there's destiny in everything, and it changed the trajectory of my life completely. When I as I got older, I started having the ability to interpret dreams, I mean amazing, like visual images of when people would tell me a dream. I said, Wait a minute, I know what that means, yeah. But so I was able to tell them exactly what the message in the dream was, okay,

Chuck Shute: 2:06

so, but back when you were 13, because at that time, I think you said that you were bullied as a kid, and you felt like you didn't belong. Oh, absolutely, yeah. Then after having that experience, did you feel like you belonged? And then, if so, like, what? Like, what was your purpose? Like, what did you feel like you were meant to do?

David Masters: 2:23

Well, first of all, I was bullied a lot when I was I was, imagine, the kids used to call me Shirley Temple, which, you know, she was a child actor in those days, and I had big, curly hair, and, you know, I

Chuck Shute: 2:35

was that old. I mean, that Shirley Temple was like 1930s or something, wasn't it? Well,

David Masters: 2:39

she was, she was fairly popular into the 50s. Oh, her movies were still being made into the 50s. And so I was a child of the 50s. Yeah, I'm 70 years old. Man,

Chuck Shute: 2:49

yeah, okay, for some reason I'm thinking Shirley Temple was like 20s and 30s, or did or was her career that long?

David Masters: 2:56

Her career was quite long. But her childhood career, you know, it lasted for probably five or six years, and she made a lot of movies during that period of time. And so when I was a kid, Shirley Temple was still, you know, movies that people watched. I mean, there were, you know, I mean, I remember the, I don't know if you remember the Lone Ranger, you know, watching Lone Ranger when I was a little

Chuck Shute: 3:19

boy, okay, I think I saw the reruns when I was a kid. It wasn't a black and white, right?

David Masters: 3:24

It was absolutely everything was black and white in those days. So, yeah, so

Chuck Shute: 3:27

they called you Shirley Temple because you had curly hair.

David Masters: 3:30

I had big curly locks, and I was just an odd looking kid, as a lot of kids are, you know, yeah.

Chuck Shute: 3:39

So did you ever think of just like shaving your head or doing something different?

David Masters: 3:43

No, I mean, you know, one of the things that you you learn as you're going through life is resiliency is so important. And I think that it toughened me a bit, you know? Because if you're gonna, if you're gonna be bullied, you're just, it probably is not going to be one of those things. It's just going to be occasional. It's probably going to be that there are people are going to see things about you, and they're going to either resonate with you. And I had friends in those days, but a lot of kids didn't like me just because the way I looked. I was just not a typical looking kid So,

Chuck Shute: 4:24

doing kids a disservice now by not allowing some of those things like it's so because I worked in the schools for 17 years, and there's all these anti bullying programs, which right? And if you grew up in my era or your era, I mean, it probably to to us, it made sense, because the bullying was like, I mean, it could get out of control. I mean, it turned into hazing and get physical. People get beat up, and, yeah, psychologically. I mean, and then you see these school shooters, a lot of them said, well, they were bullied, so we need to, you know, we need to curb bullying that

David Masters: 4:54

recently happened, by the way, this most recent school shooter, they said that he was bullied relentlessly. Me right at school, and I was stuffed in a trash can when I was 12 and a half years old, head first by a

Chuck Shute: 5:08

bunch of kids. That sounds gross, it

David Masters: 5:10

was. It's just the kind of stuff I had to put up with. And, you know, teachers really didn't do that much about it in those days. And of course, kids were always kind of watching out, and if there wasn't anybody around. It was sort of like the wild west on the playground. So and then, if you tell

Chuck Shute: 5:25

a teacher, then you get labeled a

David Masters: 5:28

tattletale, tattletail, right? Teacher's pet, right? So

Chuck Shute: 5:32

it seems like because, like, I think one of the biggest things that seems to be lacking now is that we're not teaching kids like you said, how to be resilient and how to rise above those things. Like, okay, so you had funny looking hair, like, Who gives a shit? Like, now you've written all these books, and, you know, you're, you're being interviewed on podcasts and TV shows and and things like that. You're doing all these great things in your life. I mean, you could have just given up at 13 because of your hair, and that would be ridiculous. You know, I

David Masters: 6:00

talked about my friend Robert Davi. I'm sure you're familiar with who Robert Davi is.

Chuck Shute: 6:05

Oh, the actor, right, yes, is that the guy from Goonies? Yes, that's the guy. Yeah,

David Masters: 6:10

I produced his radio show for a year, and we became very good friends. Oh, and, you know, he was mentored by Frank Sinatra. You probably didn't know that he told me this story.

Chuck Shute: 6:21

Yeah, I vaguely remember reading that somewhere. I think there was some connection, because I I, yeah, doesn't he sing as well as act? He

David Masters: 6:29

is an amazing singer. He does, if you go on the internet, you can find Davi sings Sinatra. It's amazing. You cannot literally tell the difference. It's an amazing talent. He

Chuck Shute: 6:42

sings in Goonies, right? Doesn't he sing opera in Goonies?

David Masters: 6:45

I think he does. I think he does. I haven't seen the movie for it's one of my favorite movies. Actually, it was filmed up here in Oregon, you know? So,

Chuck Shute: 6:51

oh yeah, yeah, I've been to all the filming locations the house. Yeah.

David Masters: 6:57

So cool, yeah. It's a great movie, yeah. But anyway,

Chuck Shute: 6:59

sorry, so yeah. Robert What about? Well, here's

David Masters: 7:01

the thing, and this is one of the things I was talking about, is on my own podcast, which is spooky action at a distance and also disrupt the drift on YouTube. And Baron baptiste.com is where you find this. But he had, as you can probably tell, even now in his life, he had terrible acne, and so he has he had like a very pitted face. But Frank Sinatra saw this, this spark of genius in him. And he's truly a brilliant man. He's a brilliant thinker as well as a very talented guy. And so today, look at, look at how much billions of dollars goes into the the complexion industry for kids that are worried about their pimples and how their face looks and so, you know, he wasn't one of those people that was bullied into submission. He wasn't one of those people that allowed that social pressure to shape and form his relationship with the world. He got out there. He got on stage. He's, he's an amazing person. He directed a few major motion pictures in the last couple of years. So he's, he's an amazing guy. But the idea that kids are bullies, I think that that is a trickle down effect, for the most part, from the family, because children that are bullied in families, or children that are put up on pedestals, and some parents look at children think they can do no wrong and they'll defend them, you know, to the very bitter end, those are the kids that have a sense of privilege and mistreat other people. And so it's a lack of proper parental relationships that cause other kids to go out and be cruel. And usually it's a trickle down effect. In my opinion, what I experienced throughout the course of my life,

Chuck Shute: 8:47

yeah, and sometimes it can be a, you know, something where they are unhappy with something with themselves, and so then they're projecting that out into the world, like all the, I mean, you see a lot of it now. There's a lot of hate people that are just hateful on Twitter and X or whatever, it's called social media, and, you know, mainstream media, whatever, like people just a lot of hate for this person. It seems like a lot of that is projecting something that they're unhappy with about themselves. That's 100%

David Masters: 9:17

100% is projection. And you know what projection means? It means taking something you don't like about yourself and putting it on somebody else, and then taking out your frustration on somebody else. Because taking out your frustration on yourself is kind of a dead end street. Kind of goes nowhere. You, you feel down, you're depressed, you, you know, then, then you move toward different kinds of abuses, you know, of yourself. And so, yeah, projection is a real thing, but I have to say that the bigger picture is that there are two forces at work in our lives. This is one of the things that I discovered when I was out of my body. It wasn't that I saw these forces at work until later on in my life, when I was separated from my own body. My flesh, I was kind of drawn into this other dimension, I guess you could say, because I do believe that dimensions coexist side by side very closely. Otherwise, how could anybody have an out of body experience or a near death experience there? There are dimensional qualities to our lives. And as when I came back into my body, I was very aware of having been out of it. And then I contemplated that, like, what the heck happened to me? Why did that happen to me? Now, before that happened to me, going back to when I was 10 years old, and I guess I have to coin the phrase, or not coin the phrase, but use the phrase, indigo child. I think I was an indigo child. I saw things about people when I was very young, like I remember one time I went over to a friend's house. I was going to go see what he was doing. And I got there, and I stood outside of the house, and it was almost like this. This portal opened up in the middle of my forehead, and I could see the energy in the home, and I could see that there was cruelty toward the children in that home. And again, you're 10 years old. What do you know about you know, kids being bullied by their own parents, but I just decided I'm going to go home. I'm not even going to go knock on the door. I was seeing things like that when I was 10. So I was aware of these forces that were at work in our life at a very early age. And so, you know, going out of my body, and then when I returned back to my body, I started to be able to understand the meaning of dreams, which, see, I have a theory. And I guess I'm using this idea to illustrate that we are not just stuck in this three dimensional world, that we understand that, in fact, there are other dimensions at work all the time in our lives, and I'm calling myself now a dimension, not like an astronaut or, you know, I was a Voyager into another dimension. I was exploring this other dimension with. I didn't even intend to, but I slipped into this other world. And what I believe is that while I was there, and I know that people that have out of body experiences and near death experiences when they come back, they relate things that they could never have related had they not had those encounters on the other side, whether it was a positive or negative encounter. So I believe that I was gifted with something that I brought back with me into my body from that other realm, that other dimension, and what that did was that started to inform my entire journey in life. And by the time I was 15 years old, I was interpreting people's dreams with absolute accuracy. As a matter of fact, I've been doing it my whole life. If somebody tells me a dream, I can tell them right away. I know exactly what that dream means. Can

Chuck Shute: 12:51

you tell me? Because I keep having this dream, not all the time, but it's like, every I don't know, a few weeks or a few months, I have this dream where, like, I'm, I mean, there's variations of the dream, but I feel like the main, one of the main themes, is like, I'm back in school for some reason, and like I couldn't, I didn't finish my degree, and there's, you know, like, I have to go back, and I'm like, and it's like, and I kind of wake up, like, it's kind of like a nightmare, because I'm like, I don't want to go back to school, I don't want to take tests and go through all that rigmarole. But why? Yeah, why do I keep having that dream? It's so a no, no.

David Masters: 13:24

It's a really common dream, actually, really okay, yeah, and look, there's unfinished business in all of our lives, and I think a part of that unfinished business is and I think it stems from the expectations that other people had for us. You know, I'm sure that your mom and dad or whoever in your family would have liked to have seen you become PhD or whatever it is, you know, and then you went on to pursue something entirely different. So I think that you know your your feeling about it is that it's, I don't even think it's as much you or us as it is that we have these lingering effects of how other people see us in life, and that we then judge ourselves by how other people assess us and think a lot of people you know, like with me, I have, okay, I'll give you a perfect example. I'm the oldest of five kids. These are all super ambitious kids, three brothers and a sister. My sister's a serial entrepreneur. She starts a new business every month, you know, she, she prides herself in being entrepreneurial. My other brothers are he's a builder, and he owns a real estate company. He's very wealthy. My other brother was an executive, a CEO of a big company. I myself, I'm a dimension, not I'm just an explorer in this world. You know? It's like, this is, this is my prolonged camping experience. It's a prolonged journey that I've been on my whole life. And what I've always wanted to do is discover the secrets and the mysteries of existence, and so I haven't made the material world my aim. Yeah, or my goal, even though, yeah, it's great to have, you know, the material things and but here's the deal, we only have so much time in our life. You know, we have an hourglass, and it's pouring out every single moment of every day. And I asked myself, you know, back when I was 13 years old, I had some very, very strange experiences, including brushes with the dark side. But I always ask myself, Why me? Why am I who I am? That's one of the most driving questions that I wanted to answer in the course of my life. What makes me me? And, you know, I think a lot of people have that question when they're young, and you know, and then here comes the imposed identity that the world, you know. It's like The Matrix. He Morpheus, says to me, I know why you're here. You're here because you know something, what you know you can't explain, but it's like a splinter in your mind driving you mad. I have that splinter. It never goes away. I'm writing two more books right now. That's books 1817, and 18. I'm writing because more realizations are coming to me, more more depth is coming to me, but I'm inviting that depth. I want to plumb the depths of my existence, and so when I leave this world, I want to leave behind something that really is sort of unique and sort of rare. And this is what I you know, my dad had a library of about 5000 books that people had given him over the course of his life. You know, when I was a young teenager, I would pull out a book, including books like The Urantia Book. And I don't know if you've ever heard of the Urantia Book, that's kind of a science fiction kind of story about people with from different races who lived on Earth. To me, science fiction played a huge role in my life, because I am not willing to accept explanations that are given to me by so called experts. I really want to see it for myself. And so in the realm of science fiction, what you're doing is you're exploring possibilities. And a lot of people don't like that. By the way, a lot of people want absolute predictability. And, you know, including in organized religion, they want to believe that, you know, their sins are forgiven, and that's kind of the end of it, and they don't have to worry about it anymore, and they could be living a really terrible life, but believing that there's nothing to worry about. So, you know, I want, I want a certainty that comes from me seeing these things for myself, if that makes sense. And so that journey, that journey I've been on since I was very young, it has driven me toward the deeper truths of life. And so when I was 1516, years old, I'm reading these very esoteric and philosophical books, every book I could get my hands on, including, you know, Emmanuel Swedenborg and and, you know, I just have an insatiable appetite for for ideas that are not what most people would consider mainstream, you know, I'm saying, yeah,

Chuck Shute: 18:05

no, absolutely. I I definitely have an interest in that stuff as well, but I'm also very skeptical of a lot of things, because you have to kind of switch, uh, sort through all those things. Some of it's just total BS, and then suddenly it's like the mainstream narrative that we're given is BS. So then you kind of have to figure out which one is, and some things I don't know, I don't have the answers, but it's interesting to explore and look at both sides of it. And then, you know, sometimes you come up with a conclusion on your own, and sometimes you're kind of like, I don't know. I don't know on this one. And I feel like, for me, I'm at the point now where I don't know on a lot of things. There's a lot of things that I thought I knew, that I thought were the truth, yeah, that I'm now questioning and going, Wow, is that, like, really real, or, you know, totally,

David Masters: 18:50

I mean, like, listen, that's how I live my life every day, right? But, but I'll tell you something else, it is important to have a certain healthy skepticism. And, I mean, there's certain people that are totally like skeptics, like, Nah, I don't believe it. Prove it to me. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not one of those. I

Chuck Shute: 19:07

again, gotta be in the middle. I think you gotta, you gotta have a right down the middle of the

David Masters: 19:11

line you got to. And so what I discovered early on in life, and I'll talk about my surfing accident, because what I brought back with me was a connection. After my out of body experience, I had this connection to something higher. There's no way you can pop out of your body for three days, watch the world go by, see yourself, interact with your friends, go to school, come home, eat dinner, go to sleep, and repeat it day after day after that, sort of wondering, like, Is this ever going to end? Like, am I ever going to go back to my body and being a part of this experience? And yes, three days later, it happened. But one of the things that I brought back with me is this, I want to call it, like an umbilical cord to the to forever, to the to the super conscious. Mind. I'm writing a book called super conscious mind, and I believe that that was part of a journey that I was on to discover the ultimate meaning of my life and the purpose for which I exist and the mission that I was going to be on. So now, when I was between the ages of probably 15 and 17 or 18, I was, I became super selfish, and I didn't really care about anything or anybody but myself. And you know, I go out to parties. I'd smoke pot. I would get, you know, drunk on my ass. I would do all the things that everybody else was doing, but I had a consciousness at the same time that I was not being myself. I mean, I felt, you know, I there's the other thing too, is that when I was I got into surfing when I was 12 years old. Okay, we moved from Houston, Texas to Santa, Barbara, California, and I found myself at the beach every day. I was a lover of water from the time I was little. And one thing I didn't like was that these control substances got in the way of my ability to surf. And I was really into it. I was in a few surf movies. You know, people looked up to me as a surfer because I was really mastering the skill of surfing. Took me five years from the time I started, until I was about 18 years old, and people really looked up to me, and they actually put me on a pedestal. And I started putting myself on that pedestal. I started thinking, Yeah, I'm really good. I'm great. And so there was one day where I was going to go out surfing, and I'm standing there at the pier. I'm looking at the pier, the widget pretty good. I think I'm there's nobody out, just completely empty, nobody there. I'm thinking, I'm going to go out surfing, and then I hear this. It wasn't a voice, but it might as well have been, don't go out today. I'm thinking to myself, what? Where did that come from? And then there it is again. Don't go surfing today. And it's like, I, I thought I stopped. He's like, hello, there's no there's nobody around me. Where's this coming from? And then I got upset, and I said, Who the hell do you think you are to tell me what I can and cannot do? So I went out surfing, and I fell off my surfboard, and I punctured a lung, and I was there by myself at that beach for a good long time, and I don't know how I ended up in the shallow water. This is the strange part of it. This. I mean, I'll probably never know until after I leave this earth, and I'm laying there in the shallow water, and the waves are lapping at me and I can barely breathe. And you know, part of the story is, I see a friend of mine that's jogging on the beach, and I was always a jokester when I was in high school. So, you know, I'm laying there, and I help, help me. And she thought I was joking, so she ran past me, 1520 minutes later, she comes back, and I'm still laying there in the water. It's like, what are you doing? I can't breathe. So then she calls my parents, and here comes an ambulance. But before that time where they come to pick me up, I'm laying there, and I'm staring up into the sky, and I had this deep realization, I don't want to live this way anymore, because I was having bad accidents. I was accident prone, bad things. I don't know if you can see my finger here, but I lost this finger when I was three years old. Things have happened to me my whole life. It's a little stubby, and it's like I cried out from the depths of my being, as I'm done. I don't want to, I don't want to live my life in fear of having more of these ridiculous accidents that are disabling me more and more and more. And then I said, and I was dead serious about it. I don't want to live this way anymore. I'd rather be dead. But to me, that was a moment of surrender. It's like I was surrendering this life that I lived up until this point, this very selfish life that was only about me. I didn't care how I affected other people. You know, I was an older brother of four other kids. So there's five of us in my family. I'm the oldest. I'm the experimental guinea pig. Anyway, my parents really never approved of me. My dad always thought I was, you know, he always compared me to my other family members, and so at that moment, though, there was that surrender, and that's when my life started redirecting, and that is the moment where I started using meditation, because I knew that if I didn't do something at that time, that I wasn't gonna live long. I just knew it i and I had three major accidents in three years in a row, and I just I didn't want to, I didn't want to die that way. And so I started meditating. And so the meditation that I did is derived from what the Scripture says about Be still and know that I am God. Okay, it doesn't say in the Scripture, figure it out. Struggle harder. And you'll get all the answers, because that's not how it works. So, you know, there's an old saying, let go and let God. Well, that's not the easiest thing in the world to do. To actually surrender to something greater than yourself means that you're starting to annihilate that ego that drives you, that makes you compare yourself to everybody else, that makes you look down at other people or look up at other people. And so I'm becoming more and more aware as I'm meditating day after day. Meditate a couple times a day. Try to get quiet, try to let the thoughts go, and imagine that you're like standing on a stream, on the side of a kind of a raging stream. Well, the meditation that I do that be still in no meditation. You just sit and you watch the stream go by. Now, in the stream, there's all kinds of stuff, and you can be tempted to go jump in that stream and grab some of that stuff that's going by because you think it's valuable, all that stuff that's going through your mind. But if you just step back far enough, you can watch all these things, all these thoughts, all these feelings, all these emotions, all the comparisons, the ego itself, you become aware of it, and so that awareness grows over time, and it like sands of an hourglass. There's an accumulation of objectivity, and your objectivity grows stronger. And so when, when you're getting when you're in this world, you go back, you know, you open your eyes, you go back out into the world. Lots of girls around, lots of, you know, ego temptations, and compare yourself to other people. Put other put other people up. Put them down. Look at yourself. Say you're the best, you're the worst. I mean, I remember hearing the voice that told me you're

Unknown: 26:44

no good. There's nothing good about you.

David Masters: 26:48

I was paddling out one day into the surf, and I remember hearing that. I thought, wow. And then I realized something that's not my thought. Where's that thought coming from? See, because, we are, in a sense, a satellite collector for information cosmic both sides good and evil. We're a collector of that we're we're like a radio, and all we're doing is tuning into one signal or another. And then I stopped, and I thought, maybe that's not really how my Creator sees me. I probably now, probably 1920, 21 years old. Maybe I'm meditating three years I say, that's not my voice. There's something else there, and it's trying to make me feel like my life isn't worth living. And so I watched that, and it kind of went away. And so see, as an observer, the world changes according to what you can see about it. And, you know, science has actually proven this, that if, if something is observed, like an experiment is observed, it actually has an effect on it. And I just found an article, by the way, that shows that you can actually move objects with your mind. You know, remember Yuri Geller? No, you could bend bin spoons. Okay,

Chuck Shute: 28:03

I've seen magicians do that. I don't know if it's real or if it's a trick. Well, there

David Masters: 28:06

are some people that actually have the power to tune their mind. The frequency, the vibration of the mind, is very powerful. But this Yuri Geller was able to bend spoons and do other things, move things across the table. And this is not a supernatural thing, by the way, this is actually a power of our minds. But there's a study that was done, and this is a lost study that I just unearthed. I found it years ago, and I emailed it to myself, and I'm looking at through my emails, and there it is. But my point is that the power of objectivity releases you from the subjective information that's coming in all the time from the outside world, constantly forces that are trying to mold and shape our opinions, our feelings, our emotions, our beliefs, these constant sources are pounding away at us and as by the Time. So here's the thing, I'm meditating three years, and every time I would close my eyes, I felt like I was in a black cave. But finally, about four years into meditating, I'm in this cave, and all of a sudden I see this little pinpoint of light far, far away. And I thought, oh, that's where I'm going. That's where, that's my destination. Is the end of this tunnel. I felt like it was trapped in a tunnel. There was a tunnel of my own mind, my own flesh, my own beliefs, the things that I believed were me. That was a trap. It was like a prison. Remember the movie Batman, where they put him in a hole?

Chuck Shute: 29:41

Yeah? Batman Begins.

David Masters: 29:44

Batman Begins, and he's in that hole, and he's trying to figure out how to climb out of that hole, right? And he's broken and he's damaged, and, you know, he's starting to recover, and he tries to get out several times. This is the kind of metaphor of what it's like to actually be trapped. In a flesh, you know, based existence, where you're just nothing but a sponge and absorbing the world around you and taking in all the influences and the opinions and the pressures of other people, that is actually a prison. Okay,

Chuck Shute: 30:16

yeah, it's amazing that you could turn your mind off to see the block cave, because when I've done meditation, it's like they said, I have monkey mind, like I can't, I just can't. I can't do it. It's really hard to concentrate and just shut my mind off. I mean, I've gotten a little bit better, but I mean that getting where you can see darkness would be, that would be, it was,

David Masters: 30:36

it was black. I mean, it was black from the moment I started, but I was aware of that. And again, the the idea is not to shut your thoughts off, but to separate from them. And so because to shut your thoughts off means that your brain has to stop, and your brain will not stop. Your brain is there to produce all kinds of different side effects of thinking and feeling and emotions. And you got all these gages, these barometers, these sensitive instruments that are in there, that are built into you, fight or flight. See, we have all those things as part of a survival mechanism. But then there's the higher self, and so you don't need to shut your brain off to separate from the information it would be like, Have you ever had? Okay, I like the kind of music that plays in the background. I don't want to listen to lyrics when I'm working, but I love, like, for example, smooth jazz. There's a rhythm to it, and so it actually works with my brain to help me think things out and, you know, contemplate things. But if I turn on, like, say, for example, a David Bowie. I used to love David Bowie. David Bowie is like slamming his hammer in my head, because I'm listening to those music, you know, to those lyrics, and I'm listening to the pounding rhythm. I want something that helps me to become aware of what is that I'm looking for. Because sometimes, you know, like an archeologist, they don't even know what they're looking for, and then they stumble onto something, and then they start to excavate around what what is this is a piece of something here. This is our past. This is the life that we've lived. These are the reasons. These are the bones of the reasons that caused us to become who we are today. But as long as the world is shoving you know information into your head like a sausage, you're going to have layer upon layer upon layer upon layer, and you're going to have to excavate deeply, deeply, deeply, to get to the bones of where it all started, because once you understand it's like a Sherlock Holmes mystery, right? I used to love, you know, who was it? Robert Downey, J unit that did the Sherlock Holmes series, great series. He was very analytical, but he could see things ahead of time in, you know, as the way it was written, beautiful illustrations of how, once you step back from the scenery and you could see him when he was into a fight, he knew exactly what punches he was going to throw. He knew exactly how to make that situation work in his favor, not because he was emotional, not because he was reacting, but because he was not reacting, he was in an objective state. He wasn't in a subjective state, and let me define that for you. You and I and every other human being do not realize that we, once we start to react to some any kind of external stimulus, and including internal thoughts, moments of doubt or whatever. But in those moments, we become the effect of a cause. And I've talked about this for 40 years now, once you become the effect of a cause, it begins to control you. Now, when you step back from being the effect of a cause, suddenly something, there's a polarity shift. And so instead of becoming the effect of some cause that's working on you, that's pushing your buttons, that's trying to make you react in some way, shape or form, suddenly you become the cause of an effect, just being neutral, being objective, getting quiet. And there was a great show I used to watch when I was young called kung fu with David Carradine. You ever see that? Might

Chuck Shute: 34:29

have seen a little bit. Definitely. Heard of it. Yeah, I know. So

David Masters: 34:33

he was a Shaolin monk, and he had practiced meditation. He practiced learning to be objective. So he finds himself in the wild wild west. And everybody in the wild wild west is a savage. Everybody wants to destroy him. He's a he's a Chinese man in a strange land. But what he brought with him from that world that he came out of, from the monastery, is the practice of being objective and learning how to step back and not reacting to the stress of that situation. Situation. And so rather than him being the effect of a cause, there's one great show that I'll never forget, where they they caught him, and they stuck him in a 20 foot deep hole with another guy. The other guy's in the hole, scratching and trying to figure out how to get out of this hole. And his name was Cain. He's sitting there, and he's just meditating. He's just, he's just letting it all go, and he's allowing something higher to filter into him, rather than the effect of a cause. Now he's being the cause of an effect, and what's happening is he's demonstrating to this other guy who's absolutely losing his mind because he feels that they're going to die in there. He says, Look, everything you're doing, all the struggle that you're putting out, it's not going to change the circumstances. The struggle is the problem. So just watch me and the guy watched him, and he they figured out a way it was. It was a one of those situations where everything ended up turning out for his benefit. But my point is that I'm probably 15 years old when I'm watching this, and I started to see that there are principles involved. There are higher principles involved. And, you know, there are stories about George Washington riding into battle, and where bullets are going, going through his his jacket, but never touching him. Reminds me of the Matrix where Neo is leaning over backwards and he's these bullets are just passing right by him. I'm telling you that there is a force at work in all of our lives, and I'll say it this way, that we are not human beings having spiritual experiences. We are spiritual beings having human experiences. And so if we tap into the spiritual side of our of our nature that influences the outcomes of those moments in life, where otherwise other other people will end up succumbing to a dangerous or a terrible situation, others will survive. I should take a breath and let you

Chuck Shute: 36:59

that's a lot to unpack there. I mean, so, yeah, I mean, it does seem like there is this other, whatever you want to call it. My dad wrote a book called Ultimate Reality, so I think that's what he calls it, yeah, an ultimate reality. So that's different than the reality that we're living in. And there's different ways to reach that. I mean, we we discussed some of it, near death, experiences, dreams, meditation. What do you think of psychedelics? I just had a guy on who's doing some really interesting research with psychedelics and addiction and mental health and PTSD and all these other things. And I feel like that could be another way to reach those different levels. And I know like Joe Rogan talks about a lot, and he took DMT, he said that one of the things he learned from DMT, he said there was like these voices, because you mentioned these voices saying you're not good enough. He said, Here people that were kind of mocking him, and so that taught him that he needs to not take himself so seriously. So is that kind of a common experience to have? Those kinds of whether, I don't know whether you call them, like hearing voices or hallucinations or whatever, but there's some sort of voice that's telling you you're not good enough, or mocking you or, well,

David Masters: 38:08

again, I will only put it this way, that we are a satellite dish. We're radio, yeah, tuners, yeah.

Chuck Shute: 38:17

So is there's so there's different, there's evil and good, or what would you call those? Okay, absolutely,

David Masters: 38:23

there's good and evil, light and darkness, let's say, but remember that there's two ways that you can use your mind, and talking about tuning now, tuning into frequencies, you can enhance your awareness, and you can do that by learning to meditate and mindfulness. And you know, it's amazing how many 1000s of studies there are now about meditation and how it improves your overall health, generally speaking, your well being. But then you can tune it to the opposite side, because, see, there's some Okay, so again, I'll go to a scientific principle, and that is that scientists need actual truth and facts in order to for their experiments to succeed. So without truth, there's no way to determine whether or not something actually works truth, the truth of anything right? But there are, there are people who have been so damaged by their experiences with this world and family and friends and to betrayal and all of these terrible things that can happen to us that there's a component of their identity that is angry about the way they've been treated, and they blame God and so, yeah,

Chuck Shute: 39:39

explain that, though, because why are some people, I mean, this is what's always bothered me, is just like, I mean, I feel like I should, here's my thing is, like, in my head, I feel like I should be pretty grateful for the life that I have. I have a lot of great things. I'm pretty good health and all those. And, you know, I don't have to, I'm not worried about paying my bills or anything like that. And yet, you know, there's. Parts of me that are unhappy and I feel like I'm not doing good enough. And then you meet people that are in a wheelchair, and they love life, they're like, I mean, they appear that way. Maybe behind closed doors, it's different, I don't know. But you know, people with, like, severe physical problems that appear happier than me, and I go, Whoa, what's what's going on here. How is this guy happier than me? I've got more than him. I should be happier, but he's happier, and he's got way less than me. Like, how have those people figured it out

David Masters: 40:30

again? I think it's relative to the experience and whether or not you choose to gain the highest and the best from it, or whether you choose to hold on to the dark side of it, the downside of it. You know, I'm saying because there's choice. See, choice is a, it is a, it is an undeniable truth that choice exists. Now, some people want to say that we live in a hologram, but that's insane, because if that's true, then there wouldn't it wouldn't matter if we got in car accidents and got decapitated, nothing, nothing would matter if we lived in a hologram, because it's only a simulation anyway. So who cares now? These are Life is real, pain is real, and truth governs these things. And so you know, my point about people that use psychedelics is that they are, in my opinion, caught in a struggle that they don't know how to disengage from. You know, people that have obsessive compulsive disorder, they have these thoughts, these recurring thoughts that, you know, drive them, and they can't just step back from it, because they've given it a lot of power. They they In other words, belief is a form of energy. When you believe in something, it it powers up whatever it is that the belief is and where, and then where it comes from, whether it's the subconscious or the superconscious, superconscious mind helps you be free from debilitating beliefs, but the subconscious mind constant continuously throws at us these moments, like I heard myself saying, and it wasn't even me, you're no good. There's nothing good about you. You're a loser. You're a failure. You can hear it there. That's the same voice that tells you to drive into oncoming traffic, that that part of you is the part of you that is in a conflict with the truth, and that truth, where's truth come from? There is there's a source of truth. And if you look up the word source, it's a really interesting word, but the source of truth is the source of actual reality. And actual reality doesn't necessarily conform to our ego, and so our ego can easily get upset when we don't get what we want. You're saying, I know I feel the same way. I mean, there's parts of my life I'm very unfulfilled, but that doesn't make me say, oh, it's not worth living. It only makes me look to find out why I'm unfulfilled and what will make me have that sense of fulfillment? And so this is what I you know, I have, how many 20 years left? Maybe, if I'm lucky, maybe 25 I'm going to spend the rest of that time looking for the answer and the answer and and, you know, the greatest man that ever lived, in my opinion, said, know the truth and it shall make you free. So if you're running away from the truth, then you have a problem. If you know, if you're not dealing with truth straight up and straightforward, then what are you dealing with? What are you doing with the truth? And it could be that you're rejecting the truth. Now here's the problem with that. You reject truth, and truth rejects you. It's a boomerang effect. You throw a ball up against a wall, the wall is going to spit it back at you. Truth. There are undeniable truths about life, and so people who are caught in a syndrome of rejecting truths that they need to hear, that they need to see, that they need to accept, and they could be angry at God, even though they don't even know what God is or who he is, but that's the label that they've slapped on the reason why they're unhappy. Because if God was so great, why would he let this happen to me? Right? If God's so good, why didn't he take me out of this? Why doesn't he change my life? But see, so if you're angry at God, you're in this endless loop. You're caught up in an endless loop. And so these, these different kinds of medications, have a tendency to break the cycle, but what they do is they aren't enhancing your awareness so that you can see what it is you're dealing with. They're reducing your awareness. Now, when you reduce your awareness, you open a door to another dimension. Just like when you enhance your awareness, you're enhancing it to awareness of some things that are above you now you're reducing your awareness, and you become a doorway for other things to come through. You look what they're doing at CERN. They're trying. To create black holes that could consume our entire world. I mean, you know, there's some crazy, crazy stuff going on there, but what if we have a little black hole in our own life that's just sucking away our life and our energy, and where did it come from? Did we create it? Are we giving it our energy and sustaining it by being angry? Because, you know, anger is very unhealthy. It makes you do all kinds of crazy things. It makes you smoke and drink and overeat and you're hurting yourself by thinking that you're hurting other people. You know, it's like drinking poison and expecting to kill somebody else, being angry and being frustrated and being revengeful. I mean, Jim Carrey gave a great speech, I don't know if you've seen it, talking about grace. And a couple

Chuck Shute: 45:45

of his Yeah, is that the one where, I mean, I think there was one line I remember, he said something about, I wish I could had the power to make everybody rich and famous, because then they would realize that's not the answer. Yes,

David Masters: 45:56

absolutely. Look, there are turning points in life, see, and those turning points come at moments when you least expect them. And so, as I said before, depending upon how you deal with situations, and it's literally, it's not what happens to you, it's how you deal with it. And so if you deal with it from a reactionary point of view, which most people can't help, not putting anybody down for saying, well, you're reacting, because that's a natural part of being a human being is reaction. It's a survival mechanism. But if it doesn't stop at some point and you step back, and you learn to be really objective and realize that there is more at play here than just how you feel, right, if you if you step back from a situation, I have a crazy neighbor who is, she doesn't like my wife. My wife's absolutely beautiful, and this one isn't so much. And so I'm, I'm sure that the husband next door has said things about my wife to her, and so now she's taken this. I mean, it's a visceral dislike, but what can you do about that? So she's always now throwing little barbed Arts at us. Come home the other day and she tells me this woman, I get out of my car, and she says, You need to drive the speed limit on residential streets. Well, I went past past her at 20 miles an hour. She was getting her mail. She doesn't have a radar detector in her head. She's a little control freak, but see what she's trying to do, and she's a personal injury lawyer. She's trying to push my button, so she has a reason to come after me, and I know exactly what game is being played there. So how do I react to that? Okay, thank you. What's the point of getting into an argument with a crazy person, a person against their will is of the convinced against their will is of the same opinion. Just, you're never going to change your mind about who we are. Well,

Chuck Shute: 47:48

you just made a case for everyone to quit social media. Then, right? Yeah, the

David Masters: 47:52

cancel culture. Who cares what anybody thinks

Chuck Shute: 47:55

everybody's arguing with everybody about. I mean, I go on Facebook and funny. It's funny because Facebook, I feel like it used to be kind of just people sharing their day and like, you know, here's what I had for lunch, and now it's just, it's all just, like, political things and people arguing with each other, and some of its not even political. It's just dumb arguments. Like, I've friends a lot of music, people argue about bands, or like this. I'm like, What? What is the point of these arguments? Maybe for some people, that's fun. I don't know. It's a filler.

David Masters: 48:22

It's a filler for empty lives. Basically, you

Chuck Shute: 48:24

say in, I think this is one of your I wrote this in my notes. I think it must have been one of your books. Yeah, you talk about how they did the survey, and 80% of people across all age ranges felt that they were living without purpose. I mean, yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot of people, that 30% of young people complain about being stuck in a rut, yep, and that they're not living their best life. I mean, there's just, like, a lot of people struggling out there, and that's, that's kind of part the reason I do this podcast is to try to, I mean, partly, to figure it out for myself, because I'm not perfect, but also to, you know, share those insights with other people. So sure what you're saying is meditation. Has that been one of the most helpful things for you?

David Masters: 49:07

Yeah, listen, I'm a cancer survivor. On top of all of this, I've had, I had melanoma in 2009 they took a chunk of an avocado, piece, half an avocado out of my shoulder for the size of a freckle. I've had. I've had skin cancer my whole life because it was a surfer I was. Grew up in Hawaii, in Southern California. And, I mean, I have probably over 100 things that have been cut off or frozen off or whatever. And but the last time I had to go in, there was one on my shoulder, big one, and it required 14 stitches and two and a half hour surgery. And like, I had no anxiety about it, like I went in, I knew it had to be removed. See, I wasn't. There was no struggle with certain things. If you struggle with certain things, you're resisting it. And whatever you resist persists. And so I was if you have fear going into life in. Into situations like that, in going into work, if you have a mean person that you're dealing with in in this world, if, if you give the power of fear, fear will consume you. It's like a fire. So I read, the reason I bring that up is because I was amazed that I for two and a half hours, the surgeon chopped away at me. I had another one on my foot too. That was huge. It took three hours to remove. It was like the size of a silver dollar. And they kept going down layer of land, layer, it's called Mohs surgery, and they take a slice of it, and then they find out if there's any cells left. And they kept coming back more and more. And I'm on my knees with my foot kind of hanging out behind me. Three hours of this, but it didn't feel like three hours. It didn't feel like I mean, yes, there was pain, but see, I didn't react to the pain. I didn't give the pain power to control how I felt. I've been through this so many times, and I know that if I just stay in my center, if I not succumb to resenting or struggling with the pain that it will pass. And so everything in life has sort of a shelf life. It only lasts so long. Everything only lasts so long. But see how we deal with it either makes us the effect of a cause, which is I sent to my body by being calm and remaining in my center, I sent healing energy into my body, right? And so I got up and walked out of both of these surgeries, and especially one of my foot, I didn't even notice it. It was like, weird. It's like, when you notice something, it seems to hurt more. It seems to take longer to heal. When you're struggling with it, when you're angry about it, when you're frustrated, when you when you resent the pain, you're giving negative energy to it. So

Chuck Shute: 51:47

no, there is something to be said about that, that if you allow yourself to, like, especially with psychological things, I know that that's like, if you try to, okay, like, I mean, the perfect example that he's gave in psychology was, like, you know, you tell somebody, don't think about pink elephants, and then they think about pink elephants like, right? It's the way our mind works is,

David Masters: 52:08

I'll show you that I actually use that example of a pink elephant. I don't know, did I send that to you? No,

Chuck Shute: 52:14

I just wanted that you bring that. So that was a, that's great. I

David Masters: 52:18

love it, because I was gonna give a a discussion, a 15 minute to present the problem and then present the solution to a group of Amazon workers, 1500 of them, and my friend who invited me to go there, said, Look, you don't have any time here. And I thought, well, how do I make a point about learning how to be objective in the power of objectivity? And then it occurred to me, out of nowhere, a pink elephant, right? So I say to people, and if anybody's listening, don't do this, but I say, close your eyes and imagine a pink elephant. Just go ahead. Let me know when you see it. Okay, so I see the pink elephant. I said, Now flow that energy that you're giving to that pink elephant image in your mind. We're all the way down either one of your arms into your hands, and just focus on the ends of your fingers, just the tips of your fingers, first with your thumb, now with the next with your large finger, then the next finger, then the next finger, then the pinky. And just repeat that until you feel a little bit of energy stimulating the end of the finger, and it'll feel tingly and a little bit warm. So this only takes about 30 seconds, and I asked them, What happened to the pink elephant? Well, it's gone. That's because you took your energy away from it. You focused it in the moment. You anchored yourself in the Now moment. So, and I said, you could do that with really any situation in life, if you re center yourself in the now, instead of reacting, instead of struggling with the thought, take the energy away from it. See, because thoughts are not going to go away on their own. They're going to persist. And the more you struggle, the more you feed. It's like throwing gasoline on a fire. But if you remove, if you consciously remove, that energy from that thought, that thought has no power. It has a thought has no power of its own, by the way, this is what people have to realize. You don't have to struggle with thoughts, but you think you do. You've learned to struggle with thoughts. Yeah, people, and here's the conscious thing, is that you got to fight cancer. You got to fight your thoughts. You don't fight your thoughts. Yeah? No, let them go.

Chuck Shute: 54:17

I've learned that too when I because I used to have things where I'm like, Okay, I don't want to think about that because it's unpleasant. And now, like, especially when I go swimming, that's kind of the time where I really, like, you know, you turn off, you don't have a phone in the pool or whatever. So it's me usually, and usually by myself in the pool. I'm just swimming. There's no music, there's nothing, just me and my thoughts. And so a lot of times, yeah, something bad, I'll start thinking. I'm like, Oh God, I don't want to think about that. And then I go, wait, just, all right, just let myself think about it. We'll think about it for as long as we want. And then once you kind of allow yourself to think about it, then you kind of process through it, loses energy. And then you're like, All right, well, I don't want to think about that anymore. I want to think about something fun or like, what, you know, what I want to do today, what's for dinner, you know? You you get bored with it, whereas if you try to fight it, then it just keeps coming. In, it's like you almost have to listen, listen to your instincts, which I don't know why sometimes those bad thoughts come in, but yeah, I mean, maybe they're still processing about it to do, and maybe that's why they occasionally come back well. But

David Masters: 55:14

again, you know, I think all of my books are based on insights that I've had, and several, I mean, I've written three books recently that are based on dreams. One of them is called not of this world. And in this dream, I saw that there were energies being exchanged. You know, what the stuff in a lava lamp looks like when it moves up and down? Oh

Chuck Shute: 55:36

yeah, for sure.

David Masters: 55:36

I was given this dream, and I saw this energy, like the substance of a lava, lava lamp going through a very thin veil between dimensions. The dimensions are only separated by a cellophane, thin piece of something, whatever it is ether. I don't know what it is. This is what I was shown. But then, the more I contemplated, I realized that there's an exchange of energies between our life and this world and the other dimension right next door, and it's constantly happening. If you hear your neighbor yelling at your kid, that's going to affect your life.

Chuck Shute: 56:11

Yeah, so what is like explained lucid dreaming, that's where, like, you know you're dreaming, and you know you're dreaming,

David Masters: 56:17

all right, so let's get to that, because that's in my that's in my book, pay attention to your intuition, and there's a huge chapter on it. And so I want to say 2530 years ago, yeah, 30 years ago. I went to sleep one night, and I started having this dream, and it was a hypnagogic state, you know, sleep paralysis. Okay? I fell into a very deep sleep very quickly. And in that state, I started to have a dream. Now I had, you know, my first marriage, very difficult marriage, and in this dream I hadn't actually, in reality, I hadn't spoken to her for six months. We lived in the same house. We have, you know, four kids and but there was no communication period. It was just gone. And so in this dream, I saw her coming out of this dark it was like in a dark construct coming toward me with a smile and very seductively to kiss me. And I thought, Oh, how wonderful. But then something kicked in, and I thought, something isn't right about this. And as soon as I thought that this person, the image of that person, turned into a giant, for lack of a better word, a tube worm with teeth going all the way down into the belly. I mean, just like spirals and spirals and spirals of teeth, a huge tube worm, six and a half feet tall. And from that tube worm was a vacuum coming from it, and I could feel the wind going past my year. Felt it was that real, and it was trying to suck the soul out of my body, this thing. I call it a life force sucking creature. So what happened is I'm sitting there and I'm grabbing it, and I'm struggling to keep it from absorbing me, sucking me in. I'm in a hypnagogic state, so I can't wake up. And then what occurs to me, I have to call out to Jesus. There's something I have to call it to the higher power to save me from this. I couldn't save myself. I was stuck in hypnagogic state. And I said in my dream, I finally, it was like so hard for me to say it. It was almost impossible, in the name of Jesus go away. And once I got that out in my mind. Then it started to deflate, but it was still sucking the whole time. This thing with teeth going all the way down. I could feel it trying to absorb me. Then I realized something. I had to speak it into this world. And here I am. I'm in a, I'm in a I'm in sleep, or else I couldn't move. So I had to force my lips to say the same thing in the name of Jesus, go away. I had to invoke the higher power. And then finally, it's just sort of deflated all the way down. And I picked it up and I flung it as far as I could after that happened. And seven days later, she took off and took my kids, and that was the end of

Chuck Shute: 59:24

it. That was how it ended. Sounds like a scene from a movie or something.

David Masters: 59:27

It was, it was the most listen. I woke up from that My bed was wet from sweat. It was real. It was a real thing. But see, that's what you call and by the way, I was, I I've been on the coast to coast aim with George nori a number of times, and he said, Out of 5000 people that I've interviewed, you're the only one that knows what you're talking about when it comes to dreams. But see, this is a part of what I've been given in my life, and I've had to go through these hellish experiences in order for. Need to be able to relate that there are dreams that are from above and there are dreams that come to you from the dark side.

Chuck Shute: 1:00:06

Have you ever seen that show evil?

David Masters: 1:00:09

Yeah, I I've seen a little bit of it. Yeah, okay, because

Chuck Shute: 1:00:11

I just my friends were talking about so I watched, I think, just the first episode or two, but there was the first episode she has. She keeps having this reoccurring dream of this demon, or she thinks it's a dream, and she can't tell if it's, is this really a demon coming to me, or is this a dream? So she does some thing where she What is it? She writes a word above her on the ceiling, in her bed, and then so she can tell, yeah, so what is the thing with that? Like she said, like during dreams, you can't read words or something, so that's why. And then she goes, that's how I know it's a dream, because I can't read this. Is that? What was that? I have never heard that before. Okay, so maybe there's a TV that could be just great writing. Okay, I don't know, but the idea is that there are these things. There are certain kinds of demons.

David Masters: 1:00:57

It sounds to me that it was like either an Incubus or a succubus. That was, again, these are the kind of demons that try to suck the soul out of people. They try to have sex with you. They try to molest you and violate you. And it feels like a dream, but there's a force at work there. Because what kind of a thing is it that in your mind that makes you be violated? And I think some of the extraterrestrial stuff. I

Chuck Shute: 1:01:22

was gonna say, yeah, that that's what I remind I had a guy on here who wrote book about all these extra terrestrial encounters that people have had, some of the lesser known ones. I mean, not the big ones people know about, but he and he interviewed all these people, and it was really interesting. Whatever you believe in that whether you do or you don't, it's interesting to hear their stories that he, I

David Masters: 1:01:44

can tell you that you know, you know who Lou Elizondo is, right? He was the head of the A tip program for the Pentagon nine years. Okay, well, he ran this secret operation called a tip, okay, for the Pentagon, and then he quit, but he said in a on a podcast, probably within the last year or two, that he was having a conversation with a military higher up, I imagine somebody in the Air Force. And the guy said to him, Look, we don't want you pursuing these things. He said, What do you mean? And I think it was a colonel that said to him, Look, have you read your Bible lately? He says, Well, I know the Bible. I don't know where you're going with this. And he said, Well, if you had read your Bible, you would know that we know what they are. He says, Well, what do you mean? He thought he was dealing with some kind of super secret technology. He said, What do you mean? He goes, Well, you read your Bible, you'll see that these are demonic, and that's why we don't want you chasing them. Now this is a guy in the military, so the question is, now, what informed his understanding of what it is that we're really dealing with. Now it doesn't mean, by the way, that when we're talking about demons, doesn't mean that they don't have a physical shape and form. They live in another dimension when when Jesus came back through the wall after he was crucified and He came to have supper with His friends, with the disciples, he said, We don't touch me. Yet my translation is not complete. So there are forces at work in this world. And that doesn't mean that they're just metaphysical. It means that they bring with them from whatever dimension they're in, a kind of technology that looks very much like something that we then and again, it has physical properties. What did they find in Roswell? Why are they keeping it so secret? What is it? Is it something other dimensional physics? I believe it is, right?

Chuck Shute: 1:03:41

That's the thing, is that there's a lot of people that think these extraterrestrial beings are actually interdimensional, yeah, beans and a lot of this stuff could all be connected. That's my theory, is that some of this stuff is is connected. And I don't know what the answer is, but I think that, yeah, aliens, demons, like, there's some, there could be some sort of connection there. I mean, it could all be a psyop from the government, I don't know, but there's something going on where people are seeing a lot of the same kinds of things and same kinds of beings and having the same kinds of experiences. Maybe it's all a delusion, I don't know, but it sure is fascinating, either way, you know, if

David Masters: 1:04:19

you go back and the Book of Enoch was left out of the mainstream Bibles because it has a lot of really horrifying stories that it tells about the watchers and the Nephilim and these, these beings, these 200 beings that came down from another planet. That's what they call Planet X, this 10th planet, Nibiru. I don't know most people are not really familiar, but science has actually detected this big rogue planet that's out there. It has a 3600 year orbit, way, way out into space. But the Book of Enoch kind of shows how these things came down from. To wherever they came down from, and they started eating human beings and violating animals. And it's a frightening tale, and that's in my book, not of this world, because what we're dealing with is, let's say that there are forces at work, strange forces that have been around for 1000s and 1000s of years. And by the way, I never bought into the idea that human beings were only 6000 years old. I mean, you know, the pyramids are 10,000 years old, and they're finding all these different archeological sites that are 25 and 35,000 years old. I mean, anybody that would believe into a strictly religious interpretation of the human race, they're missing the whole point. We've been around for a long time in different incarnations, going back, you know, 1000s, if not millions, of years, my opinion. And the thing is being born out now by by, you know, certain kind of science that goes beyond the limitations of what is accepted. And so, yeah, I do believe that these are forces that are at work in our lives, and they are maybe from could be that there's a rogue planet out there with a giant species on it. I mean, they found recently in California, 10 foot tall people in a cave. Skeletons of those 10 foot tall people, and the Indians of the area have had tales of 10 foot tall giants. And there are tales just like the flood. You know, every culture has a flood mythology, every culture on earth of a time where there was a great flood, and they also have mythology about giants, existing Ancient Alien theory. I don't believe it. I don't buy it for one minute. I think it's all concocted and because if moving big rocks is the best they got, doesn't mean anything to me, right? Moving giant rocks, okay, doesn't mean that they brought us anything other than strange, strange science, Weird Science. Okay, that's what I have to say about it. And you know, it goes back into the idea of people that use psychedelics. Sean Ryan, I don't know if you've ever seen the Sean Ryan podcast, yeah, interesting guy. He's totally into psilocybin. He's into the magic mushroom thing. He said it changed his life. He actually became a Christian recently, as far as I know. But it breaks some of these things, some of these psychoactive drugs, can break that endless loop of thoughts because they don't know how to stop it themselves. So they need something to disc, disc, connect them, to uncouple them from those thoughts. And so maybe it's it, maybe it's a chemical straight jacket. Maybe it's a reducing awareness for people who take the dark side of that so that they can get closer to these dark entities, because they feel more at home with them. They feel feel more aligned with dark entities than they do with angels of light. I don't know. I mean, it doesn't appeal to me. Truly, I wouldn't want to do anything. I don't drink, I don't smoke. Drinking gives me a headache. I don't do anything that reduces my awareness, because I want to enhance my awareness, and I want to have those great realizations that I've been getting as I get older and writing books about

Chuck Shute: 1:08:08

them, what is the scariest thing that you've seen or heard of in in doing all this research about all these things in the World, like what things scares you the most power

David Masters: 1:08:23

because power is an aphrodisiac, and it turns people into monsters. And you can see it. And you know, world wars have been fought, Hitler, they were deeply into the occult, the Nazis. And you know, people will not like this, but I did, and it's in my newest book, there's a lot of research that shows that, BLM, they are avowed Marxists, and they visit with spirit beings, and that's part of their religion and part of their beliefs. Really, I

Chuck Shute: 1:09:00

didn't, there's evidence of this. Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, I'll

David Masters: 1:09:04

tell you what I'll do. I'll send you my, my latest podcast, because I have a I have them be talking about it on tape. I

Chuck Shute: 1:09:15

just found it interesting that, you know, I thought it was great that they raised all this money, but then they didn't do anything with it. The lady bought like, four mansions. I know, I know, and now I don't understand how that's not a bigger story or scandal, or, I don't know if that's legal, because, well, because it's amazing money and give 1% to the cause and then keep 99% for yourself.

David Masters: 1:09:36

The media is in with the dark side. These are not people that think for themselves. They're not people that are actually interested in truth, period. All they want to do is get their paycheck and be comfortable with their peer group, and so they will give them a Tear Sheet, and they'll read the talking points. And they have, you've probably seen some of these, you know, compilations of people reading the news, and they're all the

Chuck Shute: 1:09:59

same. Same thing. Yeah, that's really creepy. I

David Masters: 1:10:01

mean, by the hundreds, yeah.

Chuck Shute: 1:10:03

I mean, they say, like, Oh, that would never, I think I just, actually just saw that clip being referenced with an interview with Jon Stewart, and they were talking about, I want to say, maybe Venezuelan or some other third world country where they manipulate the media. And John Stewart says, Well, that would never happen here. And then they show that clip of 100 different newscasters reading the exact same thing, yeah, and yeah. What's interesting now is I feel like a lot of truth is being exposed for good or bad, or whether people want to believe it or not, on podcasts and independent journalists and things and people just, we all have a voice now. So, I mean, yeah, you got to sort through all the bullshit. Like I said earlier, there's a lot of bullshit out there, but if you can sort through some of it, I mean, you can really learn a lot about the world. And I it's weird, because I used to avoid all the news and the media because I just thought, Oh, this is all depressing. It's all, you know, I didn't want, I kind of had the wool over my eyes, my head in the sand, whatever you want to say, because, and now I feel like, Ah, it's like you said earlier, like the truth will set you free. It will, once you learn about how crooked everybody is, and the the government, the media, and you learn how crooked it all is, it actually kind of is like freeing in a way, because then you're not reliant or dependent on them. It's like, okay, now I need to take care of myself that. I mean, yeah, we have friends and family and things like that. We're not totally alone, but being aware that when we become an adult is like, you can't be relying on the government to take care of you or help you out, or any politician or any of this shit. You gotta learn how to take care of yourself and help each other. You know, we can help each other, but we can't rely on some politician or government to come and save us.

David Masters: 1:11:46

Here's the thing about truth. Chuck the truth will set you free, but first you'll be pretty miserable. Yeah, you have to struggle through it. You know, it's like, it's like recovering from a terrible accident. You got to do the physical therapy part of it if you want to regain your life, and it will make you miserable. But at the same time, you will find whatever it is that you're looking for, the freedom will occur to you. You'll and this is the to answer your question about people that are in wheelchairs, when you have to struggle to have what other people have without struggle, that struggle makes what you have in the end so much more valuable. Look at what I had to go through to get back on my feet or

Chuck Shute: 1:12:28

do whatever. Yeah, I feel like they're those people like that, that are in a wheelchair, whatever, or have some sort of debilitating disease, but they're still alive. And so I think that they have this sense of gratitude, like, I could have died. I could be dead, but I'm still alive, yes, so, oh, my God, I came so close. Like being alive is an amazing gift. I'm just happy to be alive. And so, like, we take so many things for granted. We take our health for granted, and our relationships, and, you know, even the physical things that we have, we have a house and a car? Well, we're doing better than a lot of people, and we just, oh, my car is a piece of crap. It's not nice enough, or my house isn't as big as this guy's, or whatever. Like, yeah, we should just be more grateful, which I'm guilty of, too. But most people,

David Masters: 1:13:13

though, see, they don't realize this is a hard truth for people to realize, is that they don't think their own thoughts. Pretty much, most people have a few original thoughts. And the most original thought that you can have is that I am the sum total of my experiences, and I don't like it. And that's when you start to go, Well, who am I supposed to be? And then the next question is, how do I get to that place where I'm comfortable with the person I meant to be that I came into this world, I have a purpose. And you know, we were talking about that study, the world takes you off your purpose. It fills your life. And I call it the wax fruit syndrome. The wax feud is fruit is beautiful and it looks just like real fruit, but when you start to eat it, there's no substance to it. It's empty. And then you get hungrier and hungrier if you keep eating the fake fruit, one of these days you're going to go, I want real fruit. I want food. I want the food that gives my body life. And a lot of people turn to vegetarianism and different kinds of diets, and because, you know, I mean dieta means way of life. And so we all have a way of life that we don't even realize was pretty much imposed on us. It's a cultural thing, and we're not living our own lives, and we're living as an effect of a cause that's our culture. And look at the young people today. I mean, it's so sad, but it's all brainwashing, if culture is brainwashing, period, no matter how you look at it. Now, some cultures have better kinds of brainwashing than others and but see the we have to have an identity installed in us from the time we're young, so that we have something to overcome, so that we could say, Okay, I'm going to shed that skin now. I'm going to become the person that I feel growing up inside of me, whether it's a musician or an artist or, you know, an athlete. It doesn't matter what it is, most people are living their lives based on what they've been told to do or not do, and they don't really make any you know, they don't really make any original decisions. They don't have any authority. They're always asking permission rather than forgiveness. And then we see the rebels, and we like the rebels, because the rebels represent to us a side of ourself that we could be. We could break out of this. We could and this is what the movie The Matrix is all about. He is an imposed reality that he's been living his whole life. Why do my eyes hurt? Because you've never used them before. You know what's happening to us. We're all being told what to do all day long, every day. And the most original thought you can have is, I'm not thinking my own thoughts. That's original. And where did that come from? And then it's a process of elimination. I call it the conscious process of elimination. You start to become aware, and you have two blueprints for your life. One has a future, the other one doesn't. So let's say, for example, the dietary blueprint. Look at these people. Look at how half of Americans are obese right now. Half of Americans have diabetes. I have diabetes now it's not from me being, you know, an obese person. I sat in a room surrounded by electromagnetic fields for 30 years producing radio programs, and that those electromagnetic fields ate away at my health and well being. So I manage it now by exercise and diet, but and my doctor says, you know, you could pass for being in your late 40s, but that's because I am consciously making choices about what I'm going to put in my body and my refrigerator. I have to choose. I don't choose to eat sugar, although I do occasionally have a little bit, but it's not the sugar, see, it's the impulses that drive us, and so are we really making our own decisions, or are we allowing our sensations, our taste buds, reacting to the world? Are we allowing those things to shape and mold us until there's nothing left?

Chuck Shute: 1:16:53

Yeah, so how do you control that, though? Because that is tough, having those desires to have a piece of chocolate. It's a I mean, there's some great food out there that's not healthy for you.

David Masters: 1:17:03

Well, here's the thing. It's, you know, the these choices are as stark as knowing that if you're going to jump out of an airplane, you better have a parachute. A lot of people will realize halfway down that they forgot to put on their parachute, or that they they didn't even put it on. See, we are if we realize that the choices that we make are pretty much life and death choices all day long, every day. But they're incremental choices, little by little. You know, it's called death on the installment plan. You You just, you take a little bit of this and a little bit of that, and eventually you end up with a full blown condition. So I'm saying, whether it's smoking or drinking and people ended up with cancer. My father in law died of, you know, terminal cancer. He smoked his whole life. 71 years old, he died of cancer. It was a predictable outcome. He was a smoker and a drinker. He thought, Okay, well, when I die, everything goes flatlined. But then at the end, he started realizing, Wait a moment to live, there's a lot more for me to know. Was too late for him. It was just too late. But is it sad that people get to that point, at the very last moment, that it's just too late they've lived their whole life and not realized that they sort of just, you know, blew it off. It's like, yeah, you know death, but death is of another frontier. That's why I'm a dimension, not because I want to discover what I'm going toward I wrote a book called knowing where you're the your journey into your life after death, knowing where you're going before you leave. Isn't that a good idea, that when you're going to take a trip, you get a road map and, yeah, you have your GPS on so, you know, where

Chuck Shute: 1:18:35

does it What have you insights do you have from that, without reading the whole book? I mean, well, I

David Masters: 1:18:39

mean, the bottom line is, is that death isn't is the next frontier. It's the undiscovered country. Now we've because of Near Death Experiences. We've heard what people there's a guy that wrote a book called heaven is real. I think his name is even Alexander. He has a remarkable story. Another one is

Chuck Shute: 1:18:59

not the guy that was an atheist, and then he had a near death experience. Yes,

David Masters: 1:19:03

uh huh, yeah, he was an atheist. Howard storm, here's another one where he was an atheist and he he died. And, you know, he was rescued

Chuck Shute: 1:19:11

from, from the guy that was, like, an aggressive he was, like, feared by his family, and then he became sure, yeah, yep. Crazy.

David Masters: 1:19:18

These stories are, though they're so informative, because what you realize this is that that death has two corridors, one that goes up and one that goes down. And so, you know, if it's one goes toward the light, one goes away from the light. And so you're the only factor there depending upon and by the way, most people have no idea that they're, they're in a default mode. They're letting life choose for them. They're going along with the crowd. You know that it's, I was going to talk about mass formations, because I don't know if you remember the story of the Hutus and the Tutsis. Now, okay, well, there's in Africa. There was. A political thing that happened where their president was killed in an airplane, that somebody blew up the airplane, and then these people, these two different tribe, that radio announcers were saying, well, they was. They murdered our president. They have to pay 800,000 people took machetes to each other. 800,000 people died. There were piles of arms and legs and limbs, if this is a result of one event that took place, and it was children and everybody that was engulfed in this mass formation of madness. And so on various levels, we all live in some kind of mass formation. I mean, that's what society is all about, except for, you know, in the world that we live in, it's fairly calm, it's fairly social and cordial, and people try to get along, but, man, when things get inflamed, things can go completely nuts. I mean, look at

Chuck Shute: 1:20:54

Yeah, well, that's what I've noticed. That's when I started, like I said, I didn't watch the news, and then I did on 2020 because shit was going crazy, and people were ready to murder each other for a roll of toilet paper. And I was like, I need to figure out what's going on here, because this is very bizarre. And then, yeah, then you start going down the rabbit hole, and it's like, oh my gosh, this is like, crazy stuff going on and and that's when I again, I think it's about, for me, I'd like to be more self sufficient and be right? I mean, you talk about society, and it's like, I'd like to have a disconnect. I mean, like to interact with society, but then also have a place where I can roll back and go, Okay, I don't need to, like, be well, here's

David Masters: 1:21:31

the thing, yeah, you know, if I go to a dinner, I'll have a small piece of pie. Maybe I'll share one with my wife. I don't want the whole cake. You don't have to take it all in. You just take it in little, in little bits that are that, yes, digestible. You know, I'm saying, well,

Chuck Shute: 1:21:52

and I, what I do is I notice when I start getting kind of too anxious about the world, or worried about news things or something, I'm like, oh, you know what? I've like, been brainwashing myself. I've been watching the news too much. And then I'll go, Okay, let me fix myself. Let me re brainwash myself. And I'll start watching all these inspirational David Goggins, Andy frisella, all these motivational speeches like John Kerry that when you mentioned like Denzel Washington, all these and I just and then I just start getting energized. Or I start listening to motivational podcasts and again. And then, just

David Masters: 1:22:22

like you're tuning for what it is that you are more compatible with, you

Chuck Shute: 1:22:26

see so much better. Yeah. And then I just my mood completely. You can really just with like, a, you know, like an hour or two of like, listening to that kind of stuff, it can really change your mood. I think, well, because

David Masters: 1:22:37

it does, it shifts your perception, perceptions from the dark over toward, you know, the hopeful side of life, right? And so, yeah, I mean, we all have to be more deliberate about what we allow in with our diet. It's the same thing. Eat better, feel better, think better, feel better, act better, be better, you know, I'm saying, but if you don't, if you just abandoned, you know, if you abandon everything, it's like, you look at Chicago, it's like people have abandoned civility. They don't care. They'll just kill somebody on the street, take their tennis shoes, whatever it may be. This is coming to a big city, and it's sitting near you. I mean, you hear about it all the time, and so, you know, we have, we do have a collective. We do have what they call a mass formation. But some mass formations are peaceful, and some and some are destructive. And you look at Russia and Ukraine, and people get caught up in it. They don't even know who's right or wrong. They don't know.

Chuck Shute: 1:23:36

I don't know. Yeah, right or wrong. I know that we

David Masters: 1:23:40

agree with they're disagreeing with. It's the same with these people who are supporting Hamas, against against Israel. They don't know what they're doing there.

Chuck Shute: 1:23:47

I just want, here's my take on all that. So I just want peace. I don't want one side to win. Let's you know, negotiate peacefully for everyone to be happy. I mean, I'm middle child, that's what I want everyone to be happy and be

David Masters: 1:24:00

peace. Yeah, I get it. So I'm the experimental guinea pig. So to me, it's like, I'm gonna step back and watch the other squabble. That's what I do. I just try to remove myself from it, you know? Yeah, yeah, that's, I

Chuck Shute: 1:24:11

mean, well, think how much people Americans are stressed out about Ukraine and Russia and Israel Palestine and, I mean, it's we're so far disconnected from that. Why are we so worried about at the same time? Like we have a lot of problems here that no one talks about. I mean, there's a lot of homeless and people addicted to drugs that it's really sad. And like I just said earlier, the statistic from your book, 80% of people felt they're living without a purpose. I mean, we got a lot of issues here, and I would love to see some, at least somebody care about that too, not to say that the worldly problems. I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on in Africa that no one talks about that. Oh yeah, really, like, you just mentioned that one, but there's, there's a bunch of other stuff that I think that's currently going on that no one's talking about. I mean, I heard a statistic. I don't know if this is. Uh, legit, or if this was fake news, but they said there's more slavery going on in the world now than ever before, but we just nobody talks about it, because it's in other countries and it's under the radar. And, you know, a lot of child slavery, a lot of products that we are enjoy, like our iPhones and things are being made by so,

David Masters: 1:25:19

yeah, the lithium miners. There's 15,000 people in a pit peeking through rocks. What kind of life is that?

Chuck Shute: 1:25:26

Yeah, little kids pictures and videos of that. So I know that some of this is real. It's not. It's real. I mean, well, I don't know what your definition of slavery is, but to me, like a nine year old, mining is like, I don't think that's like the career choice that they see

David Masters: 1:25:42

we are we are in this country. We okay. So not to get religious, but the Founding Fathers believed in God. We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal. We have an entirely different outlook on human existence than they do in the Congo, because people are throwaways in the Congo, China throw away your babies. Don't have many babies. And you know what's happening? China's industry and their economy is collapsing because there's not enough people to work. The the older people are aging out, and there's not enough young people to take their place. And I think the same thing is that Elon Musk warned about the the lack of people having children, people are aging out, and so there have to be replacements for them, and that would ordinarily be and I saw a really amazing documentary about people that choose college education as opposed to trades. And there were times when the families would pass the trades to the second and third generations, but a lot of those people now opted out to go to school, and they ended up with a college degree that now is useless, and the people that would have taken over those trades as others retire aren't there. So for example, elevator operators elevate elevator repairmen. They make $100,000 a year, and there aren't you can't find anybody to repair your elevator. That's just one example. Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 1:27:05

no, that's it is interesting too, because you look at things like the World Economic Forum, they're saying, there's too much people, and we're destroying the carbon and all this. And it's like, and they want to reduce the population, which is kind of a scary thing to say, Yeah, out loud, and then you've got other people saying, No, we should have more children, children. I mean, children are great, and all this other stuff. So I don't know it's a it's interesting. I mean, that's the one thing I love about America is, or at least it used to be, is that we had freedom, and we had freedom of choice. Whether you want to have 13 kids or zero, you can do whatever you want. You have the choice. So I don't know

David Masters: 1:27:43

if you know that the Soviet Union was paying people. I don't remember what. I think it's $10,000 a child to have children. Putin was paying people to have children. I

Chuck Shute: 1:27:56

didn't know that well,

David Masters: 1:27:57

yeah, because a lot of the people there, they die of chronic disease. They don't have a God based society. They have a humanistic based society. So people think, I just do whatever I want. It doesn't matter. And so a lot more people are, you know, thinning out from the herd. And so now they're paying it's literally, if you just look it up, you know, Russian pain. People have children. It's there, yeah, you know China. I don't know what China did, but they discarded millions, hundreds of millions of little ones. And so we have a God based society. We have a God based society, and based on those higher principles, we have a civil society for the most part. Now, yeah, that's right, but see now this invasion of people from other belief systems. Yeah, those people from other belief systems, they don't believe the way we do. And so they see a lot of

Chuck Shute: 1:28:46

people that were born here that don't believe it's a God based system. I mean, there's, there's a lot of different viewpoints upon, you all over the place . Yeah, well, the universities now are all that's like its own religion. I feel like it's absolutely, you're right. It's a very different mindset that, yeah, I don't know. The world's definitely changing. It's different from when I was a kid, for sure. Yeah, but yeah, this is all fascinating stuff. So you have how many books out right now? 18.

David Masters: 1:29:14

You said I'm working on the next two right now. And I have 16 books published right now, all on Amazon, David masters, or you can find them at my website, escape your minds prison.com and that was my first book, How To escape the prison for your mind. Yeah, mine doesn't need prison you don't need prison bars. When your mind is in prison, we're all prisoners of our own thinking,

Chuck Shute: 1:29:36

right? Well, put that link in the show notes, and yeah, feel free to come back to promote the next book. This was a lot of fun.

David Masters: 1:29:42

Thank you so much, man, this was great. You're very good, very good interviewer. Yes, good questions.

Chuck Shute: 1:29:48

Thank you. Yeah, this is a lot of fun, a lot we'll be in touch, and I'll get that. I

David Masters: 1:29:51

appreciate you very much, Chuck, thank you. Thanks, David. Take care. You.