Chuck Shute Podcast

Devin Bronson (guitarist w/ Sebastian Bach)

• Devin Bronson • Season 5 • Episode 437

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Devin Bronson is a guitarist, songwriter and music producer.  He has worked with a variety of artists including Avril Lavigne, P!nk, Butch Walker and Sebastian Bach.  He was a co-songwriter and guitarist for Bach's latest record "Child Within the Man" that is out now.  We discuss the new record, working with Sebastian, bands using backing tracks, navigating the music business and more!

0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:13 - Life in California, Traffic & Self-Driving Cars
0:04:20 - Listening to the Music in the 90s
0:06:05 - New Sebastian Bach Record "Child Within the Man"
0:15:00 - Sebastian Bach's Vocal Ability
0:15:53 - How the Record Came Together
0:28:45 - Working with Sebastian, Rockstars & Other Gigs
0:35:10 - Music Industry Changes
0:37:45 - Cut Songs & Covers
0:39:15 - Vocal Production on New Record
0:41:15 - Feuds & Backing Tracks
0:45:20 - Extreme & Nuno
0:47:00 - Playing Live & Touring Vs.  Studio Work
0:51:25 - Partying on Tour Vs. Good Habits & Health 
0:59:45 - Carnivore Diet
1:02:35 - New Album & Vinyl
1:04:25 - A.I. & Technology
1:08:20 - Skills and Schools
1:12:15 - Networking
1:16:10 - Soundcheck Live, Talent & Hired Guns
1:22:45 - Social Media
1:23:55 - Outro

Devin Bronson website:
http://www.devinbronson.com/home.html

Sebastian Bach website:
http://www.sebastianbach.com/

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Devin Bronson:

How are you doing?

Chuck Shute:

Good? How about yourself? Now? You're in California, right?

Devin Bronson:

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Let's get there. It's good. Yeah. I'm suburban living so like if you hear gardening, chainsaws outside, that's why. Oh, really? Yeah. We moved out to Orange County five years ago. My wife and I.

Chuck Shute:

So yeah, explain it because there was an ad that show the OC it was Orange County, like, you always think of like when I was a kid I grew up with like, Saved by the Bell and now to know and all this stuff like California was so glamorous. Is there still part pieces of it? Or pockets of it that are like that? Where there's just like hot girls and convertibles driving around?

Devin Bronson:

Yeah, that's where I am.

Chuck Shute:

Okay. No,

Devin Bronson:

I haven't seen I haven't seen the OC. But yeah, this is more kind of classic suburbia out here. It's not as chaotic as LA.

Chuck Shute:

Okay. Yeah. Do you see like celebrities and stuff? Like when you just go to the store though and stuff? Because I mean, a lot of celebrities still live out there. Right?

Devin Bronson:

In Los Angeles. Yeah. I mean, it's it's an entertainment hub, for sure. But more and more, I think you've seen people. Like a lot of the rock guys. I know. Move Nashville or Las Vegas. Yeah, people kind of all over now. So yeah, this is adjacent so I can get there.

Chuck Shute:

Right? Like, how long does it? Do you go to the whiskey? Still, like sometimes or? I

Devin Bronson:

will but I mean, that's it's a trek for me. Like I'm seeing my friend Kevin challenge playing and Steelheart. And they're playing right near me tomorrow night. So I'm gonna go see that. So that's always cool when somebody's near me. But yeah, that's a bit I'm probably 5060 miles from LA. So in LA traffic, that'll take me four days to get there.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, that is a little bit of a haul. But yeah, I mean, that's the thing was, I remember one time I think I went to we were in like Hollywood, and we wanted to go to maybe Huntington Beach or Malibu or something like that. We're like, we look on the map or like, oh, it's only like, 30 miles thick. A half an hour? No. Yeah. A half. Like it's crazy.

Devin Bronson:

That's, I mean, yeah, I talked to people I talked to friends in Nashville that have said, it's turned into that. Were getting anywhere. It's just that traffic is turning into LA traffic. So I guess like Nashville it is. Yeah, like certain areas, I think, well, you know, they their frame of reference is different. What they think bad traffic is sure.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, I'm from Seattle, you you live in Seattle, as a child from Seattle. Like, and I live there, like, you know, let's see, until 2008. So like, it was, it was pretty rough. Like, I mean, I just get used to it, you know, like, like, I remember commuting. And I feel like my commute was like two miles, but it would take like 20 minutes, but I was just like, used to it. But now you go back and visit, you know, like, What the hell is this crap like that

Devin Bronson:

is that is why I'm so bullish on the self driving car, because that changes everything when you can truly take a nap in your car and get somewhere, not the thing they have now which Tesla can drive itself, but you got to be involved in it and check in and do all that. But where you could say, Oh, I gotta go to LA and take a nap and wake up there. Oh, yeah. They

Chuck Shute:

have those here in Arizona and Scottsdale. They're way mo way Mo Yeah, they're way Mo and they have these weird. It looks like a Back to the Future car. It's got all this weird shit on it. But it's like you pull up at a stoplight. You're like, there's nobody driving the fucking car. What the hell? And then like, you see someone in the backseat. You're like, well, this is so weird. It's like the future.

Devin Bronson:

Kids today. Kids today will grow up not knowing they never had to learn to drive. Oh, yeah, for sure.

Chuck Shute:

No, I used to work in the schools. And like, it was amazing how many kids would be turning 16. And I'd be like, Oh, you're getting your license or like, there's like no Uber, because they got Uber. They got UberEATS. They got video games and zoom and all that. Like, they don't really need to go anywhere. And if they do need to go somewhere, they get an Uber. I

Devin Bronson:

couldn't wait to get my license. I was in line that day. I could get it. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

no, same. I was like, I just thought that was like a rite of passage. Like, get the hell away from your parents and you're totally as a kid like, and just being able to drive. And to me like that ties into the whole music thing. Being able to listen to music, being able to crank my music. Because I want you know, that was like a rite of passage. Totally.

Devin Bronson:

Yeah, I couldn't wait for that. Yeah, I mean, we take that for granted now. I mean, you have every song ever made on your phone right now if you want it. And it's not. That wasn't always the case.

Chuck Shute:

No, I remember having in the 90s I had like the big CD booklet. You totally Oh, yeah. I think one of them had might had 100 CDs that would hold and I remember like flipping through and change and I remember at first when I first got a car I think I had like one of those seats. The portable CD player, and then you plug it into this thing that was like went into the tape. Yeah. And then, but then you go over a bump and it skips. Yeah, I

Devin Bronson:

had that too. I remember it was a big deal when I bought a CD player for it at nine Mitsubishi galon was my first car. It was completely oxidized. Burned oil was a giant piece of shit. And I had exactly that you take your disc, man, plug it into the cigarette adapter to charge it and then the tape deck would have like this cord that came out of it. Yeah.

Chuck Shute:

So crappy looking. But it did work. And

Devin Bronson:

it was sound like such old men right now. Like, back in my day. Totally.

Chuck Shute:

Totally. Yeah. And then I remember when I got my first CD player, and like I think was like a birthday present. I got it. And so then do you remember like, the detachable faces? Yeah.

Devin Bronson:

Somebody would steal it. You'd like hide it or somewhere?

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, that was the thing. Totally. Now you got to worry about your catalytic converter. I don't know if you can detach that and take it in with you. But

Devin Bronson:

yeah, that you can't Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah. need to worry about getting your identity stolen. Now. It's a little simpler time. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

it is like surreal, though. So it's like, because I remember like cranking Sebastian Bach and Skid Row and stuff in that car. Now I'm like, here I am talking to the guitar player that's working with him that you guys made this amazing album. That's great. I love it. Like takes me back. In a way thanks. Like, the style Jack. But also like, super fresh. Like, it doesn't sound like an album that was made in the 80s or 90s. But there's definitely like vibes of that. But it's like mixed in with like, a new, more modern sound to like, it's awesome. Oh, cool.

Devin Bronson:

Thank you. Yeah, I mean, he's said this in interviews where, you know, he wanted to make a record that felt like it was 1978. The music he liked that had but we had a modern sound, but had that feel, at least in terms of like the writing of it. So yeah, to take a step back on that, like he, this is my second record I got to do with him. And the first one was really a lot of fun. Give him how we did that in 2014. And that that was a little more rushed in the sense that he needed to get a record done. Duff Mckagan was working with them brought me in, I ended up CO writing a few songs and playing on the record. And it was, it's a really good record. But we didn't we, we didn't purpose build it as much as we did. This one, this one kind of started was during COVID. Everyone's locked in their houses. I'm constantly working on music all the time for various stuff. And I you know, Sebastian doesn't play an instrument, but he's the biggest music fan you've ever met. And he knows when he likes something. And he's got this like really good. kind of visceral gauge of like, this is good. This not so much. So occasionally I'd write something like, oh, this might be cool for him, and I'd send it to him. And sometimes you'd be like, Yeah, that's cool. Now, I don't dig that. And then the first, the first two things I sent him, were the music for the song hard darkness, and then the music for the song, crucify Me. And those who really responded to, and then got kind of really excited about this. And then I was working with Isaac Carpenter, who's the drummer in a wall nation. He's a collaborator of mine. And we were in the studio doing a bunch of stuff and kind of the way him and I work. It's very old school. It's like him on drums me on guitar, and we're coming up with stuff and recording and this is cool. Let's do this. And we worked on a track that became everybody bleeds the opening track, and I said that yeah, I sent that to him. And my concept from the musical standpoint was kind of like, was slave to the grind means something you royal blood would do the band and you know, something a little more fun.

Chuck Shute:

It's kind of like a punk. It's almost Punk in parts. I feel like in the Wawa pedal is such an is that we're using the system that is the

Devin Bronson:

I mean, the primary guitars, this octave fuzz through the whole thing. It's very, it's not a ton of distortion. It's fuzz. It's like, you know, the best example is that band royal blood where they use this stuff. Yeah, so that was Yeah. Have you ever seen a live? No, I

Chuck Shute:

haven't. Oh, my God, I couldn't believe it. I saw that we were in North Carolina and we went in are like, Oh, I got to see this band. They blew me away. It was.

Devin Bronson:

They're pretty cool. I mean, even how they route the bass to have one that's going an octave up. And that's kind of how they they almost it's like a fake guitar. Almost a version of what like Tom Peterson or Doug Pinnick do where they have the 12 string bass. If you've seen that, that's tuned, it's a bass string, and then two guitar strings at the same note. So you're getting like three notes of the same. It's the same note, but it's three different like ranges of the octave. That's pretty cool. Yeah, the makeup sounds

Chuck Shute:

technical. You obviously know the ins and outs of this. I mean, you can tell because everybody believes that that's so cool, but like every song is different. It's not like nothing against like an AC DC record or something I love AC DC but like a lot of their songs kind of sound like a part two of the last song, whereas this is like your it's kind of like it's all over the place. But there's also a theme like it sounds similar but not we.

Devin Bronson:

Yeah, that was the first song I sent that to him and mind you, we're still in lockdown mode, everything when this was going on, and he sent me back a vocal, you know, a rough scratch. And it blew me away. I was like this rocks. And he loved it. And his team loved it. And it kind of started the like, Okay, this is the next record. We're on the right path here.

Chuck Shute:

Wait, his team, what do you like, Who's his like his me his management and everybody the

Devin Bronson:

label he was working with at the time it was everyone got really excited about that song. And it was like, we didn't we didn't have the full record yet. But it was kind of just sending riffs sending musical ideas to him, then him coming up with vocals and melodies and just getting it to where we're close, you know, like getting it to where?

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, did he have other people sending him ideas and stuff? Or? I mean, did he specifically pick you that he wanted to work with you mostly and write most of the songs on this record? Because I would think with his pedigree, I mean, he could pick from a lot of different guitarists, and obviously worked with you before. So did he just say like, I want to make a record, like pretty much mostly with you. I know that he had some out other outside songwriters. Or did he? Like, get riffs from other people too, and just go and picked you out of the other people?

Devin Bronson:

Yeah, I know. I mean, I don't know. You'd have to ask him. I don't know how that works. But yeah, John five. This is I think the third or fourth time he's collaborating with John five. Who wrote a really cool song with Sebastian called freedom. Yeah, yeah.

Chuck Shute:

Ariana Sol on that is really cool. Yeah, After Effects.

Devin Bronson:

He's amazing. Like he is he's got such a cool style and just put such like, interesting textures and all that stuff. He does.

Chuck Shute:

Did you on that song? Like rhythm? Or? Yeah, I

Devin Bronson:

did. I did some of the rhythm guitars on that just more for cohesiveness of the studio. Just to kind of have some glue in there. But he did. He wrote it and did all the lead guitars.

Chuck Shute:

Okay, because the riffs it sounds like a kind of like an old school Skid Row song kind of like it reminded me a little bit of big guns.

Devin Bronson:

Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. I mean, John and Sebastian wrote that, and yeah, that was like hearing it. I just was like, This is so fun. It's gonna be a fun song for the record, because some of the stuff I did was more dark. And like you said, there's there's a lot of like, the records punishing in the sense that it hits you the whole time. But there's, like, diversity and style on this for sure.

Chuck Shute:

Well, yeah, cuz like, hold on to the dream. I think that's one of my favorites. It sounds again, that sounds like a throwback, but also so fresh and new. And it's insane songwriting, and the guitar work, and how it kind of starts off slow. And you're like, Oh, this is like a ballad or something. And then it's like, no, it's not a fucking ballad. And then you just come in with this crazy riff. And, and I think that makes the riff sound heavier, because it starts off kind of slow and soft. He

Devin Bronson:

that was his idea. Sebastian, wrote me and said, he wanted to do a song similar to like, Sabbath, Heaven and Hell era. Like he made these references not to any song in particular, but just it was that kind of where something starts pretty, yeah, and then gets really heavy. And I said, I'll take a stab at doing something like that. And I sat down and worked up something on a 12 string, which almost has like a harpsichord kind of sound to it. And the original musical demo I sent him was like something like eight or nine minutes long. So we cut that thing down a little bit, because it was like, it was very crazy. In terms of like, you know, we went with the prettier section for a huge chunk of time. But, yeah, that's one of my favorites on the record, too. And when I heard his vocal on that the first time, I was just like, blown away by it, especially the verses. It's so powerful.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, he said that I heard him talking about this on Eddie trunk where he said he hit the high note. He had to use this technique where he like, grabs his ear or something and like, distracts him, so then he can hit the high note. I don't know. It was like, really interesting. I've never heard

Devin Bronson:

that. Yeah, I mean, you know, for people to know I mean, he takes what he does very seriously I think people see the party animal like persona wild man, but him in the studio, he warms up, he goes for a run. He works you know, he works on this stuff and goes in and takes it very seriously. There's no There's no partying or nonsense because it is I mean, that's that was what was so exciting for me is getting to work with a vocalist of this caliber getting to do something where somebody's he's, he's going to take it somewhere crazy that a lot of vocalists can't take it. And it's going to be a surprise sometimes, like I'm going to hear what he came up with. Uh, whoa, like, that's cool. I'm glad I got to be part of this.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, so like, how does he do that? Because that's why when I became a fan when I was in high school, and this again, I was living in Seattle and It was the 90s. And that was the grunge era. And this was like not in fashion, but I just remember like listening to slave to the grind. And then especially like watching the home videos, and hearing him do like, in a darkened room live and just hearing him scream and hit the note perfect. So high. I was like, How the fuck does he do that? Like, so you got to watch him do that. Live in studio?

Devin Bronson:

Yeah, he's I mean, he just has that ability. You can he can do it, but it it's something a lot of guys I think will take for granted. And he doesn't and he keeps at it. And this one, I mean, I really was impressed Elvis and him work together. Now this bass get producer, the producer. Yeah. And every day coming out of the studio, the vocal takes are just phenomenal. And I think, you know, we did this record. So the way the record came about was, you know, once we had a lot of stuff, close. I got a text from Sebastian it was hey, Elvis. bisquettes going to do this record and I had never met him but I knew his work and was a huge fan. And he works in Florida. We're gonna go down there. We're going to live there. We're going to live in the studio basically. Are you in I was like abs. This sounds like a blast. And then when I found out who all who was involved Jeremy Colson from Steve's band. He's unbelievable drummer. Todd Kerns, who everyone knows plays with million people slash in the show.

Chuck Shute:

is involved in this wreck? No,

Devin Bronson:

no, no, he was I'm saying he's in Sasha's band. Yeah. But um, so those you know that four unit team of a band doing this record for him. And with Elvis and

Chuck Shute:

and also mastered by Robert Ludwig who's done Van Halen, too, and kiss alive.

Devin Bronson:

And he's crazy. Yeah, Sebastian was the architect of that. He was like, you know, he's such an audiophile that. He was like, We got to get this guy. So I was I was blown away when we got him. That was awesome. I like

Chuck Shute:

it, because it does have these really cool. And obviously, part of it is Todd's bass playing. But the way that it's like sometimes the guitar goes away a little bit. So you can hear the baseline at certain parts of the salt. Like, it sounds cool to me, like I'm like all the bases all thick. And then the guitars come in. And it's a good like, you know, kind of dance back and forth between the, and also the vocals, obviously, too. Yeah,

Devin Bronson:

I mean, we want like when we went there, we started in pre production, which I can tell you making records in the modern era is kind of a lost art. A lot of artists don't do that anymore. It's a lot of sending files back and forth. And it's easy to do. And there's some benefit to that. But that wasn't this type of record. And Sebastian didn't want that. And this was us in a room. And I think when you're you know, for me, I'm in a room with Jeremy and Todd and Sebastian, you've, you know, you feel like fuck, I gotta step up and deliver everyone kind of I think I hope feels that way. And you're working on parts, and you're hearing it and you're just kind of seeing where stuff lands properly. And Elvis is so good at that and knowing you know what sounds good and what should go where and Sebastian has like a real gut instinct for No, this part kicks ass do this. Like, that's not working. And here, here's it's not necessarily here's why. It's just a feeling like this is where it should go.

Chuck Shute:

So he almost kind of in a way produces that, or would you call that arrangement or something?

Devin Bronson:

I Yeah. I mean, there's there was a funny story. I don't know if he's told it. But the song hold on to the dream. We did the rough, like, scratch track for it. And he went for a run. And he came back he goes, something's wrong with this song. sounds horrible. And we were listening to it going. It's that's it. We're playing? And he's like, No, so you're playing a different, something's off. Because I don't like it. I don't feel it. I don't feel it the same way is the demo. And we kind of just had no clue what he was talking about at first. And then we figured it out. I can't remember if it was Elvis, or Jeremy, who figured out they go, Oh, I'm missing this one kick drum. And the second that was added it was so obvious to all of us were like, oh, yeah, it does sound right now. And when you when you heard it after that to us, but he knew it, like he was feeling it. Like where he goes, this doesn't feel the same as what we were just doing. And those are those are some things sometimes when you're in something like you know and your instrument is guitar or your instrument that like you're too focused on what you're doing and like that kind of perspective becomes important. And

Chuck Shute:

he doesn't because he doesn't play an instrument but he could kind of tell you what to like play it like this played heavier play faster. Yeah.

Devin Bronson:

Oh, yeah. He's

Chuck Shute:

I don't know if you're a fan of I was a big ugly kid Joe fan. I think Whitfield cranes one of the most underrated singers. He still sounds amazing. But he you know, I heard that similar kind of thing with him. He can't like play an instrument but he'll tell his guitarist like what to how to play it and then they that's how they write music together.

Devin Bronson:

Yeah, yes, Sebastian very much is that way or just Explain. Yeah, he'll he'll reference something like a sound or, you know, something he'll tune into like that. That is great. Like, let's and then you know, okay, that's where we're responding we can kind of build something around that.

Chuck Shute:

Or does he tell you like hey, like like you said that you wanted kind of a Black Sabbath heaven and hell so is that like your reference another band or something and says write something that sounds similar to this No,

Devin Bronson:

it wasn't that it was more just I got what he meant when he said that, you know, from the musical standpoint, I got kind of like the the pretty acoustic building intro that builds into something like explosive. And that was that was a happy accident, at least from my standpoint of like falling on that because it did kind of musically it all worked. And there's elements that were like really groggy and weird, and we arranged it to make sure it fit. And you know, it's his record and it's it's about the vocals and we created that bed where he I mean, I thought he nailed it. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

well, and then the song The single What do I got to lose the first single awesome that's awesome riff great guitar work. Cool music video sweet solo. But I heard today that I didn't realize Myles Kennedy. Did he co write that one? Yeah,

Devin Bronson:

he wrote so we that was kind of a last one of the last songs when we got into the studio. Miles knows Elvis from Elvis working with Alter Bridge for years. And we produce miles solo record and he had an idea he had this you know, hey, I got this riff and I got this vocal idea. And would Sebastian be into it and Elvis played it for him and Sebastian loved it. And we worked it up and made it very much him and Sebastian then went in and you know wrote lyrics and wrote his stuff. And yeah, it's a fun like, that's the most fun kind of like, straight ahead like, kick you in the face rock tune I think.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, and then like I love that one to the last second the last song on the record about to break and that was the one that that a trunk was like he was loving. He was praising your guitar work. I called it a I wrote it down because I wanted to make sure I said erase it called your soul a beautiful melody and tone. Wow. Compliment from any I mean, that guy's gotta have like, I mean, he's heard so many songs. So for something to stand out to him. That's pretty amazing. Yeah,

Devin Bronson:

that was nice to him. He that would. So in the studio, Sebastian, Todd, Jeremy and Elvis, are all psychotic rush fans. And I like rush but I wasn't part of my like growing up where I know that deep cuts you know, I know limelight. I know, spirit radio. Like I know the songs that are on the radio and I like rush a lot. But these guys know every like deep cut beside and there'd be nights were up late. And they're blasting this rush stuff. And there was this kind of like Alex Lifeson sound of like a chorus see guitar that had a lot of themes to it. And like, I don't know, I just liked it. And that song I go, I'm going to do kind of an epic, long, almost Satriani s solo in this. And I sat up one night watching Goodfellas for the 500th time drinking wine. And I just was recording ideas of that on the background. And I landed on something, and it felt very self indulgent, and like over the top, but I played it for them. And they loved it, though. Yes, we're doing this like, okay, cool. Awesome. Yeah, people have seemed to really dig that one. So that's, that's cool. Because that's a that's an interesting, that's more of the proggy kind of like, you know, it goes into different time signatures and that song. Super heavy. Yeah.

Chuck Shute:

That's what's so amazing about your guitar work on this album is I mean, obviously, there is some guests, a couple of guests guitars, too, but the like, the songs are just it's not every song is the same. Like it just the tones and things are different in it for each song. It's like a journey. And that's what's so cool is that you guys made a full album, and it sounds cohesive and makes sense that you made it in the same room because I think you can tell like I've I've had people on that, you know, they're promoting the record, and you can and they, they tell you like, it's like you said earlier, like, they'll just send the files on Zoom and like, the person just gets all the files and then just things over. It's like, it doesn't sound cohesive, like a record. You know, this sound I

Devin Bronson:

agree with you. Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah. And I mean, it's, it's the inputs. Yeah, everyone's great at what they do. And when you get them all together, you can pull the best out of people and you can say, This is shit. This is amazing. And you really hear it too. And everyone when everyone gets excited together in a room when something's happening, that's there's value in that for sure. It was it was made. This was made, like an old school way of making records. That was a lot of fun for all of us. I mean, I can't speak for everybody, but I think they would agree with me This was a lot of fun. And, you know, I hope that came across. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

I love it. I mean, it's like I said it to me, it sounds fresh, but also a little bit of like a throwback to, you know, it's like it's kind of the best of both worlds like, because you know, new metal is that's the sound. And then there's like the 80s rock, and that's a sound, but this just sounds like classic heavy metal with a modern twist. Like, I think it's great.

Devin Bronson:

Cool. Well, thank you. That was exactly I think, what everyone was going for us. Just what we respond to there's a diverse set of interests and likes and

Chuck Shute:

yeah, the last song to live again that to me that had Queen vibes. Was that one co written with Myles Kennedy also?

Devin Bronson:

Yeah, it was so that was miles had another idea. And Elvis had a guitar riff that guitar riff was actually Elvis bisquettes That opening one. Oh, and, and to me what when we were talking about it, Elvis had written that guitar riff it was more all of us love Boston. And like, it was when we were putting it together. It was kind of like, in my mind, at least that was like this should be like, you know, an Elvis would talk to me like a Tom Schultz kind of thing like Boston. And so yeah, that was you know, a miles idea with an Elvis guitar riff and and Sebastian came in and wrote lyrics and melody and stuff over the music. And I worked on some of the music with them. But it was going to be the ballad on the record, but an epic kind of, in my mind, yes. Something Boston would do. Yeah.

Chuck Shute:

And so and then Steve Stevens, and he did the solo on fu D. And I'm assuming that he co wrote that one too. That yeah,

Devin Bronson:

he wrote that with Sebastian. That's a wild song. That to me was like, modern day highway star something.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. Now why? Cuz? I thought Sebastian was talking about doing a show with slash and slash was like, Hey, when are you getting the new record out? And then he was saying, Oh, I'm going to work with Elvis and slash like, yeah, definitely. You should. Why didn't slash have a song on this record? Like, I feel like that's, that would have been cool to have that.

Devin Bronson:

I mean, I'm sure Sebastian would be open to working with anybody. I mean, all everyone is busy and working on stuff. And maybe they they're going to write something for themselves. You know, where I mean, from my perspective. Sometimes when I'm coming up with stuff, I would think of him for it, I'd say I'm gonna do something for him like this, and then we would kind of be more purpose built. And I think miles had some, you know, miles ideas, probably where everyone could kind of hear it would really work for him.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. How does that work with the guests? Guitars? Is it just the thing or like, they just volunteer? And he just says, Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming there's probably maybe some that he had to turn down?

Devin Bronson:

No, he's got a relationship with them. And I mean, he, I believe would tell you, it's just kind of like, I like this. I don't like it. That's all it is. This works. This doesn't work. It's that simple.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. Anybody's never been. Because you're such a mellow guy. Like, I wouldn't imagine you're difficult to work with. Like, if he tells you he doesn't like something you're not like offended? Like, what? How dare you like,

Devin Bronson:

I'm not I know, I'm not at all. And you know, at the end of the day, it's his record to his name is on it. You know, this isn't. I'm fortunate to get to co write it with them. And I have a lot of fun. And the guitar playing is amazing for me to get to do coming from like the pop background, with people I've worked with, where it's not as guitar centric. It's such a thrill for me. But it's his record. So he gets the final say in this, this is great. This doesn't work. It's, you know, he's got to go out and promote it and love it. And he, I think, will be the first one to tell you like, at the end of the day, he's thrilled with this. Yeah.

Chuck Shute:

So when we when working with him? Like I said, you're pretty mellow. But like, is he respectful when he doesn't like something easy? Like, no, let's do it towards the like, This is shit. This is terrible. I guess you'd like yell at you or anything?

Devin Bronson:

No, no, it's not that it's just it's. And you know, I'm not even as precious about stuff like that, like I've, I've done so much work in, you know, on the TV side of music, where you get stuff rejected constantly. And you can't be precious about any of this. Because at the end of the day, it's just okay, go back and try to make it work. It's not trying to shove something in that's not working and make it work all the time. If something's not clicking, you move on. And if there's something to be fixed, you all just at the end of the day, you all want to get to that and that's that story about the kick drum that was missing. It was like, Okay, we got to figure out what it is to make it work. And we all did and everyone's happy. So

Chuck Shute:

working with Sebastian is fine. But has there been I mean, because you've worked with our Levine and Kelly Osbourne you work with a lot of different people. Probably some that I don't even know. I mean, has there ever been somebody that made you feel like less than or that was difficult to work with that where you're like, God, this guy's a freak an asshole like, Have you ever had those kinds of scenarios happen?

Devin Bronson:

I've been pretty fortunate. I mean, I've there have been people that have been assholes just more as part of their personality. And like, none of those none of those people you named there, they've everyone was great, but like, you know, like a random session with somebody and there's just like an ego about it, but nobody that you can't work with them. I haven't had anybody. I've haven't had a situation like that. So that's been fortunate, I guess. Yeah.

Chuck Shute:

That, Sebastian like, he's just, he's such a he's such a character. But I see what you're saying about the work ethic. I believe that I do believe that he you know, he

Devin Bronson:

has a ton of passion. I mean, he's, you know, his, I mean, he is passionate, either way about where something's going. But at the end of the day, it's about, he really cares about the record being great. And we all did, we all really cared, it's not phoning it in, it's not showing up and going, Okay, it's, you know, the first night, we got to the studio, everyone's happy. We're all kind of like, hanging together, we went out to a steak house, drinking, having a great time, we thought we were going to be doing that, like, every night, it's just going to be going out and having a great time. We buckled down once we were in that studio, stay here order food, the in the studio work. Like because we wanted to make it a great record. And it wasn't phoning it in. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

how many days? Were you there for? I

Devin Bronson:

was I was there for four weeks, five weeks? And

Chuck Shute:

every day or?

Devin Bronson:

I mean, there were some days off in there. Okay. You know, people have families and stuff. And you know, and there's, when you're in the studio, there's a workflow, there's a schedule of pre production tracking this tracking that. And

Chuck Shute:

so how long is the typical work day? In the studio?

Devin Bronson:

Ah, for us, it was kind of like a noon, let's say noon to nine. Okay. You know, but it's not, you know, we're not out there, you know, chopping lumber. It's not, it's like, there's, yeah, there's a lot. There's a looseness to it. But we took it very seriously in the sense that, you know, you'd have a bite to eat, or, you know, you'd have your coffee, and you'd get in there and start to see what's happening for the day.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, because you do that. It's like you said, it's not chopping lumber, like, if you need to stay later to get it, right. Like, it's not like you're like, Oh, God, this is terrible. Like, you know, like, I've worked,

Devin Bronson:

I've worked on projects where people involved are insanely rich. And they're doing it to do it, and they show up and it's more about ordering sushi and checking their phone. And I need to get out of here for this thing. I'll be here for two hours. And there's kind of like, you know, there's not a flow state. There's not like ever getting into it, where you're immersed in it. And I felt like and that's credit to Elvis to the environment he creates there is you are living in a studio. It feels rock'n'roll, flax all over the walls, guitars everywhere. And you're in it when you're there. It's like we are in a real studio. This isn't like, you know, a guest room like I'm in where there's some recording equipment. It's a real, it's a real functioning proper studio and you feel like, okay, I'm here to make a record, there's a different feel for that, for sure. I'm here to make a record today, versus I'm here to lay down some tracks for something on my laptop, it's very different.

Chuck Shute:

Is that something that like, like a rich guy would just hire you just for as just to make a record just for fun or something? Or is this a thing where like, they hire you to make a song for their business or something or I

Devin Bronson:

mean, I've had I've had, I've had that I've had like somebody that's insanely wealthy, from other areas that just kind of wants to play rock star, play rock and roll. Yeah. And it's every step of every step in the chain, people kind of just don't care as much. Because if the principal doesn't care, that, you know, the CEO of the company doesn't care about the product, all the employees down the chain don't. And that's kind of, you know, when I say Sebastian is so passionate about this, and such a passionate rock fan, it's like everyone starts to really care and want to make it great. But yeah, I've had those instances with other people. You know, even just recording artists in the past some of them that kind of give up on like, carrying a lot. That's sad. Yeah, it is. I mean, you know, I mean, I think, you know, you've you could probably, you know, you've probably interviewed some people where it's kind of like, yeah, I guess I did this record, no, well, and I just did it to do it, but I'm gonna go out. It's all about my old stuff. And that's it. Or someone like Sebastian is passionate about new music. And the fact that this record was received, so Well, I think, you know, we all thought it deserved it, but it's a nice, it's nice to see. But that's what we were intending. We're not We're not making a record just to have He can go on tour anytime he wants. Sure. Yeah. And he doesn't need to make a record. But he I think this was a statement for his solo career for sure. Right?

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. Because do these records? Do they even make a profit? Or do they break even? Or they may even lose money? Like, it's not really about the money right?

Devin Bronson:

Now, I mean, you can make money. It's not that it's, the industry has just changed. It's a different. It's a different industry, then, you know, the early 90s, late 80s in terms of their albums, you know, bands used to be able to go on a tour and could lose money if they were selling millions and millions of records. Yeah, lately.

Chuck Shute:

It was like you would the tour wasn't the ticket price wasn't about making money. It was about getting people in to hear the new songs so you could sell the record?

Devin Bronson:

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think there was like a Motley Crue story one time where they came home from a tour and it was like, how much should we lose on we only lost 2 million? Oh, thank God. And you're like, wait, like, because when you think about, but they're making so much on the records? Yeah, it the labels are all excited. And they don't. But that that has flipped. That's a complete 180. Now, to where, you know, artists make a big chunk of their money touring. And because a lot of its streaming, too. It's just a different, but I like the ubiquity of streaming because then everyone can listen to it. I do

Chuck Shute:

I do love the stream, but I want to support artists. So that's why I will buy t shirt, I'll buy their book, or go see a concert. Because I don't pay for the music.

Devin Bronson:

I mean, I don't know why that matters. Yeah. I wouldn't more on

Chuck Shute:

Spotify. Like because I you know, whatever it is my girlfriend pays and she puts me on her account. And it's like, you know, I almost feel guilty about getting all this music for free. But that's again, that's why I try to support the bands that I that I do listen to a lot that actually really liked our music.

Devin Bronson:

And that's it. Yeah, and I think music true rock fans feel that way and there is a quality you know, getting a vinyl record or getting a CD, there's a quality difference. That is just it is the dip. What I mean by the ubiquity of it is new people can find it. somebody new, who maybe wasn't around and didn't know those records can stumble on something. Or kind of like

Chuck Shute:

in the middle like it's a band. They're like, Well, I kind of like them or I like this one album, then you can listen to it and decide if you really like it or not sure.

Devin Bronson:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just you know, the music industry is it ever changing business?

Chuck Shute:

No, and I mean, this is I think, so far this is the best album I've heard of of 2024 That's my front runner for Album of the Year like it's grad love every song there's not a bad song on it. Was there any songs that were cut that didn't make? Like a beside or anything?

Devin Bronson:

There was some stuff I sent him that we didn't admit there was one towards the end I wrote that we didn't do just the music. So there are there ideas in the folder for diving in for other stuff. I can't I don't know if there was anything else that was fully written that

Chuck Shute:

was there any covers that you recorded that you didn't put on the record? Those are always fun.

Devin Bronson:

No, we didn't do any covers. I don't even know if that was a discussion. I don't even know if we brought that up to even do a cover. The last record I did with him we did a April wine cover.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. And then I think we also did the Disney do was it back in the saddle on the to wreck

Devin Bronson:

on ANGEL down. Yeah, he did that. Yeah, no, I don't I never even came up but doing a cover. I think we knew I think we knew the amount of songs we had going in. So it was like, okay, that's, that's a record. Like, this is what we're working on. Right.

Chuck Shute:

And sometimes I think if you're unless you're changing something about the song, to me, the covers like I just I don't even get it. I'm like, Okay, if you're just gonna like basically redo the song. And it sounds similar, but it's just like a different singer and a different guitar player, but you're making it sound the same? Like what is the point? Yeah,

Devin Bronson:

I agree with you. And I think that's, we were just so focused on being excited about what we were working on. So yeah, that he came up

Chuck Shute:

with the vocal production. Because you can do things in the studio that you can't do live and I know that he's very adamant about not using backing tracks and all that stuff. So how does that work in the studio? Because Is he is he similar in the studio saying I don't want to use auto tune or any sort of weird like studio magic tricks or no, he

Devin Bronson:

he he did take Ceman this was not pieced together. He and you know, I had a singer friend of mine reached out to me and he said his favorite thing about the record was the background vocals. And I said really? And he's like yeah, he goes the background harmonies are amazing on the songs and that's all Sebastian did every vocal on it. There's not no other singers. And that's him and Elvis in the room. I'm going going through that and working it out and I'm

Chuck Shute:

surprised Myles Kennedy do a background since he was co writing the song. Did he play guitar rhythm guitar? And those are

Devin Bronson:

no he didn't know he just sent the idea. He wasn't in the studio with us. Okay. I'm sure that would have been awesome. I'm sure he would have loved that. We all would have thought that was really cool. Yeah, he I mean this was go in and do takes get it right. No, there's no tricks on this. There was no like, chopping stuff up and putting it none of that. Yeah, I

Chuck Shute:

had been talking on and he was talking about how he chopped up one of George Lynch's solos. I forget which song it was, but he pieced it together. I mean, I don't even know if that's if it's true if George Lynch acknowledges that but I was like that's, that's an interesting to piece together. Guitar solo sounds like so complicated.

Devin Bronson:

You can hear that stuff that stuff becomes so and there are bands that do that well that I love some like kind of like more mechanical metal bands where it sounds, you know, we call it on the lines where everything's like just super choppy. That can be a cool sound. But that's not what we were doing. And you can hear that that becomes very obvious. Yeah. Sounds like it sounds like a computer.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, I mean, that's like did you see is a comment Sebastian's comments about from Ronnie Radke from falling in reverse. He had said something about the I forget what the original thing was. But he read the I saw this article, and I think it was just today or yesterday. He didn't interview any they said the headline was like Sebastian reunites two feuds. There was that feud, and then the one with Chris Jericho, where he said, I'm as much of a wrestler as Chris Jericho. Which is just, it's just funny to me, I don't know. But like, you see that side of him in the studio, where he's kind of talking shit, and no, and

Devin Bronson:

he doesn't talk shit. He's not it's he's such like back to he's such a passionate rock fan. And I know him and Eddie trunk have been on this, like real live rock and roll. Without the laptop, doing tons and tons of backing tracks. I mean, you do go to shows, and you'll just hear like, walls of guitars. And there's one guitar step there. And, you know, outside of like, I mean, my personal thought is if there's some icing that you want to use for a synth line, or something that could be there. Like that makes sense to me. But when, when it sounds like there are multiple musicians on a stage, and they're not, it gets a little silly. And I'm fine with it, if that's your trip, like if that's what you're into, and your fans are into that great, but I think, you know, the era of rock and roll and his audience, they don't want to see that. And I wouldn't want to see it either. I wouldn't want to go see a show I'd rather hear. You know, the guitar player, go do a solo and the rhythm guitar is cut out. And it's just the bass but maybe on the record, there's a rhythm guitar there. We don't need to put that on track. Live like it doesn't always need to be there. You can let things breathe. And a live performance is different than a studio performance. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

no, I agree. i As long as if it's something where like, you know, I get if the there's a piano part for one song, and it's like, you're gonna hire a full time piano player to play one song. So then maybe you just play a track for that piano part or whatever.

Devin Bronson:

I think I think a lot of pop artists were really comfortable doing this, to the point where like, more and more, add more add more to the tracks live. And then certain rock artists started to get okay with it like, Well, okay, it is easier it is, you know, I don't have to push this. I don't have to push my voice. And you know, especially for a singer. I'm not talking about him. I'm saying any singer. You know, you have to go out and stage and maybe your voice isn't feeling great that night, but you're going to really deliver a performance like, Well, this guy gets to lip sync over here to a track and it just Yeah, it seems it seems phony. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

I mean, because like with falling in reverse because I liked them. They're actually a cool band. I think they're, they have interesting sounds. And I see

Devin Bronson:

Elvis Muscat produced one of their biggest records. He they're great.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, I mean, they have like, if you listen to the music, like it is like industrial, there's tech. It's kind of like Nine Inch Nails. Right? That's what I think of like Nine Inch Nails. Like, you'd have to have some sort of what you'd call backing tracks or keyboard player or somebody helping out you can't play that all with just Yeah,

Devin Bronson:

I think that about like, Bring Me the Horizon to it's another band and that genre where it's like there's so much production going on. In the music. That's interesting. Yeah, that's a good example Nine Inch Nails or even you know, Depeche Mode and the like layers of 10 synthesizers, and like, you know, you got two guys up there. So I fashion

Chuck Shute:

you don't he doesn't I mean, then then it's just like, it's like a fake concert. If a rock band like that, that's a classic kind of old school metal band is using backing tracks. They should be able to play it's like

Devin Bronson:

I mean, it's a stupid analogy. It's like going to a sushi restaurant. They're serving you like McDonald's cheese. these burgers, it's like it's different. Like, if I go see Aerosmith I don't want to hear Steven Tyler tracks if I go see, you know, I don't want to hear that I wouldn't I wouldn't want to go see what a band of that caliber that I love. I wouldn't want to go see extreme and noodle Betancourt's guitars or on some backing track. You know, doubling hammer something like it's just I don't we don't need that.

Chuck Shute:

So did you see the latest tour of extreme? No, I

Devin Bronson:

didn't. But I love their new record. Yeah, I

Chuck Shute:

did, too. I loved I had Gary on the show. And I went and saw them. And actually what surprised me was living color. They opened up and they were amazing. Like, I was always kind of a casual fan. I thought they sounded incredible.

Devin Bronson:

Yeah, that's awesome. I love them. Yeah, it's very cool. Yeah, extremely incredible.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. Nuno. I mean, he's I know, didn't he? Didn't he beat you out for the job with Rihanna? No, we

Devin Bronson:

were going to do it together. He was. Okay. Yeah. So he was hired and they wanted somebody that could kind of double him on stuff. And so yeah, I went in and, and played with them for a little bit. And the tour didn't work. It didn't work out. Just she was going out for two years. And they ended up getting somebody else but the music director was a guy. I think his name's Tony Bruno. And like, Rihanna loves rock guitar, too. And Nuno is just such a monster. So noone was in there with like the octave guitar. They're putting stuff from like, get the fuck out into the end of Rihanna songs. And I'm gonna this is kind of cool. Yeah, like, some little segue in the music. And

Chuck Shute:

Rihanna and slashed and they'd collaborate on something. Maybe one of his solo records or something. Maybe

Devin Bronson:

I know, Fergie was on one of his solo. Maybe that's what I think. Yeah, I don't know. But yeah, I mean, that's yeah. I'm glad to see that band out there again. They're awesome. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

you're not you don't really do a lot of live shows anymore. You're mostly studio guy. Right.

Devin Bronson:

I'll still go out occasionally. But I haven't been, you know, out on the, like, long stretch tours in a while now.

Chuck Shute:

You just prefer I mean, isn't there something like a high to be playing live? Isn't that see? Yeah,

Devin Bronson:

yeah, I mean, the grass is always sometimes I'm out. And, you know, I have so much stuff I'm doing here with I mentioned the film and TV music stuff. Like, you know, building I built that kind of as a ancillary thing to the touring stuff when I was touring non stop wanting to have something while I was home. And then that kind of took over as being you know, what, where I was making the most money, and it was going really well. And it was creative. And I loved it. Like it was like, it's not like I'm doing jingles for right. You know, some Charmin commercial, it was like, We need something that sounds like Queens of the Stone Age or Nine Inch Nails. And it's like, you get to be really creative. Whereas like, you know, a lot of the pop tours and stuff I was doing, I had a ton of fun doing it. But it wasn't as guitar centric. And some of them were just so so long and like, I loved it. I mean, I always feel like I sound like I was ungrateful or something. I I still love doing it. I have friends that are out on the road. And it's always grass is always greener, aseema calm and I wish I was doing that festival. We're doing this that sounds so awesome. So although out still, I'll go out with people just scheduling. It's all it's always all. It's all it is. Oh, it

Chuck Shute:

just would be to me, it would be monotonous to be playing the same songs like you said, it's not very creative. I mean, yeah, it's better than like working a nine to five, chopping lumber or something. But it's still it's I think creating music because then you tell me I think on the last interview we did you were saying that you and your partner, you create a new out basically a new album every six weeks or something.

Devin Bronson:

Yeah, we try to we try to do like a release every six weeks for our catalogue. That's different styles. And, you know, it caters to a lot of film and TV clients, advertising clients, and it's just a different outlet. And you know, a lot of guys you know, I wasn't the first to think to do this. A lot of guys that kind of in a similar background to me that done it like blue shirts, you know, Ryan is big on this girl, right? Yeah, the warrant guys have a catalogue of stuff they do in this world. Get there's a bunch of them. And it's lucrative, right? It's yeah, it's lucrative. It's, you're in the studio, you're working. You're doing fun stuff. And you can do it's kind of different verticals. The music business isn't just one thing anymore. You know, there are different things everyone's doing so. So yeah, I love going out and touring still, and we'll do it if it's the correct scenario. It's the right time. Oh,

Chuck Shute:

really? When was the last tour that you you've done?

Devin Bronson:

The last tour I did was these girls Ali and AJ, the last long tour I think I can't even remember the year because COVID years have been so like, last year, when was what? But everything else has kind of been like one off shows like I've done some one off shows with Sebastian flying out I've done some one off shows with this band a while nation just when they've needed me. You're flying out you're doing a festival or you're doing a couple of dates here. It's not the full tour. It's not you're gone for eight weeks.

Chuck Shute:

That seems like amazing. that would that would be fun. I think that'd be better than Yeah, doing those full tours. Like, that's just especially the older you get. I feel like it'd be fun if you're like 22. And you're like, you get to see the world and all this. But then the older you get, I feel like I'd want to just not

Devin Bronson:

say sometimes sometimes the tour is more fun, though, because you get into routine. Like sometimes the flying in and out is like, Okay, you're Friday, I gotta get on this early flight. I gotta do this. And you're kind of like, when you get on tour and you get into a routine, especially with a good band and your crew and everybody. It's a blast. It's so much fun.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, how does that how would that routine look like? Because there's certain things that because I know that's one of the things with touring. A lot of these guys that I talked to, they're like, well, now I used to party too much now I'm sober. I'm like, this is like so common. And I feel like it was because they didn't The routine was just they were so bored. You know, now we have smartphones and stuff. There's so many more things you can do people can exercise on the road and stuff do you have a routine that you follow? That's

Devin Bronson:

that's more of it. I remember being backstage at a Def Leppard show maybe like, I don't know, eight years ago or something and it was like, wheatgrass juicers personal trainer, I go, this is so different than like 1980s.

Chuck Shute:

Those guys like that metal, like Jim Florentine. And it was a Don Jameson one of them would would joke about that they used to have the secret trapdoor in the stage. And then like back in the 80s, they would Yeah, that was like the blow job rumors. Yeah,

Devin Bronson:

you go down. Or something. None of that goes on. And you know, there's like, now it's like, oh, the, you know, the kids are here. And it's family. And it's a different world. And you know what it should be? Because you can't live that way that whole like that, that's very short lived, being able to party that hard and tour right. You know, that's, that's, that's a young, early 20s. vibe. And if you don't, you don't knock it off. It's going to catch up to you. So, I mean, look, you got 90 minutes, two hours on stage, the rest of the time is off. So yeah, there's like, there's time for people to get into trouble and get bored. And, you know, that's what it lends itself to. And you also have, you know, hey, what do you want there's a whole room will bring you anything you want. You want this you want that and you know, booze and any so if you if you have bad habits, the road will definitely not be a good place for you. But more and more Man, these guys go out yet when I say routine, they're getting in better routines like, Okay, I gotta take care of my voice. Yeah, I'm gonna go to the hotel gym. I'm gonna go to soundcheck. I'm gonna. I mean, I tried to but I don't always.

Chuck Shute:

Did you ever get tempted with the like, the drugs stuff? Like, I don't know, I never did like any of the hardware. I never tried cocaine or anything like that. Like, but then I guess. Also, I don't remember ever being offered that. So I don't know if it was there. Like, what what do you do?

Devin Bronson:

I kind of missed a lot of that, like, I started. I mean, I started touring in 2002. And a lot of that, like, you know, shit you read about in the dirt that wasn't going on? It just wasn't. And like, you know, there are pockets of it that exists. Sure. But like, I think people had let you know, their idea of what's going backstage at a show became almost like a caricature of some like, book or story they read where I'm like, that's not really what's going on now. Right? What people you know,

Chuck Shute:

but it was Yeah, cuz like even in Sebastian's book, he talked about like a kid and read metal edge. I think I told him this when I met him at a book signing. And I was like, you know, when I when I read about you in metal edge, you would you would say like, you know, don't do hard drugs and all this. Like, I knew he was always in a weed. But then I read his book. I was like, holy shit. There's a lot of cocaine stories in this book. I was like, he didn't mention this in metal. And he goes, that's because metal edge was for kids. And I was like, oh, okay, well, that's fair.

Devin Bronson:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean. Yeah, you know, I'll omit some stories from some of my early days. But yeah, there were there were pockets of like, you know, wild behavior, where you look back on it and go, Oh, my God, like, what were we thinking? But the other thing that changed everything is the smartphone, that you're being documented everywhere now, like everything's going to be filmed and broadcast to the world. So, you know, I will tell the young guy in a band out there like, Dude, you are on blast. 24/7 So

Chuck Shute:

seriously, I saw this girl that I follow on Instagram. I don't know her super well, but she had all these stories. And it was about this guy that she dated. He cheated on me and, and he's not really sorry, these are alligator tears. And then like the last story was like a picture of him, like doggy style with this girl. And it's, and it's like, I guess this is how I found out I like I found it on your phone. I was like, Whoa, like she just put this guy on blast. I was like, Maybe Maybe this generation will you know, it'll teach men to behave better because they will last

Devin Bronson:

you just You better not be up to any nonsense because, you know, everyone's got their phones out. Everyone's filming everything. They're tagging this. And so I you know, this whole idea of like, you know, you know, when you talk about the old era of rock and roll and partying and like, you read about Zeppelin and like, they would be gone, they'd be out of town. Nobody knows how to get a hold of these. It's like not anymore.

Chuck Shute:

Right? Yeah. I mean, it's just interesting, too, because like I said, I've done so many of these interviews. And then, I mean, you even look at Motley Crue like Well, I think I mean, I know Nikki is definitely sober. I don't know about Tommy and Vince, I think they're still kind of flirting a little bit, but like they've obviously toned it way down. So it's like, it seems to be like that is kind of eventually the path. Like you said, you got to knock it off a little bit, or they just do a total one ad and then they're like the Def Leppard. They're doing juicers and stuff instead of binge drinking. Those

Devin Bronson:

guys are you can't, you can't party like that, at that age, you're gonna drop dead. It's just you can't,

Chuck Shute:

it's not even fun. I mean, oh,

Devin Bronson:

you've done it.

Chuck Shute:

It's like, if I have more than like, three drinks. I'm like, What the hell did I do to myself? It's like, I was literally drinking poison, which is, I mean, what you're doing, but you know, when you're in your 20s, you can recover in a day. And now it's like, you know, you'd have more than like, three or four. It's like, you feel that for a few days. It's not very not. Yeah,

Devin Bronson:

there are not a lot of 80 year old drug addicts.

Chuck Shute:

No, I mean, I know the Rolling Stones. I don't know. They still I mean, he you

Devin Bronson:

know he, I would bet I don't know. I would bet a lot of a Keith Richards like mystery. I'll bet a lot of that is a little, you know, romanticize but when you read his book, I don't know if you read his book. No, it's interesting. You have life. Yeah. KEITH RICHARDS book life. His autobiography is interesting because he always talked about he did drugs, but for some reason he didn't have an addictive personality. He first he could like he goes, I could do a little bit of heroin and stop. But that is not common for a lot of these guys.

Chuck Shute:

Especially Yeah, because you have that personality like what Sebastian you're saying he really cares about the music and he's so passionate. And it's like those are usually the personalities that get addicted to shit like drugs.

Devin Bronson:

Yeah, I mean, I can tell you he doesn't do anything I mean red wine and some weed and yeah, it's I don't know a lot of these guys that are doing any of that stuff anymore. I just don't I can't I can't think of anyone doing and

Chuck Shute:

roses guys are sober slash and definitely I don't know about Axl is such a mystery. I don't know what he's if he's drinks at all, or I

Devin Bronson:

don't know him but like Yeah, I mean, Duff Mckagan could run, uh, you know, he'd do a triathlon tomorrow. Like, you know, these guys are in better shape now than they were back in the day. It's incredible.

Chuck Shute:

How does Duff like because you were kind of friends. And that's how you met Sebastian. What is Duff's workout routine? Cuz he's like, he's got like, a six pack?

Devin Bronson:

I don't know. I wish I knew. I wish I could do it. I would you

Chuck Shute:

follow that? Do you try to do some sort of workout routine or anything? Or?

Devin Bronson:

Yeah, I just try to be modestly mindful of health. I'm 41. Now, so it's yeah, it starts to catch up with you can't eat pizza every night and drink every night. Like, you know, just little mindful things. But I'm not religious about anything.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, that's around the age where it starts to, it starts to catch up big time. Like, yeah, you'd have to like, at least for me, I know. I had to say even in my 30s I felt like I had to slow down with the drinking and the junk food and all that, but it's like, it's hard to because, man, there's some amazing junk food out there.

Devin Bronson:

Oh, I love it. It's, it's the best. But yeah, I mean, you. Your brain keeps telling you like this is the right thing to do. But then you go wait a second. But I should not be doing that.

Chuck Shute:

Pizza wine. Oh, so good. I miss it.

Devin Bronson:

I'm going to do that tonight. Now that

Chuck Shute:

it's Friday night, you know, you guys even told me I get a cheat meal. But it's tough to regimen all the time. You know,

Devin Bronson:

we live in a crazy time. Common sense about things I think is what I live by. So

Chuck Shute:

yeah, cuz I think there's some you have to be able to enjoy life a little bit. I know for some people, like, like I said, with the addictive personality. They just they have to do that 180 where they're like, they can't even have a glass of wine because that turns into eight glasses.

Devin Bronson:

You know, I have a I have a close friend who's done. He's been on the carnivore diet for three years. Oh, yeah. And luxurious about that. So I did it for about six weeks. And I did feel amazing. I lost 10 pounds, I felt great. But it was very difficult for me, it was difficult to like, have a routine that like if I was home only and really controlling everything, but it was difficult to go out and keep it active, because it's kind of a crazy diet. And like, I'd seen people raving about it. And he raved about it. He was just like, I've never been healthier. And I go, it sounds counterintuitive to anything I had ever known. And, you know, maybe I'll do it again at some point, but I couldn't. What

Chuck Shute:

you felt like, that's what's so interesting to me. Ya

Devin Bronson:

know, I felt great. And but it was, you know, I didn't want to go out to a party, or I didn't want to go out to like, I didn't want to go places because it's like, that's where it would break down. And I remember the night like, my wife and I went and saw Weezer we're playing. And we got invited to the show. And we went, and I was there and I'm like, kind of just hungry. Because the Europe you always kind of like, when you're eating just like steak, or something. That's all you're eating. It's very, you'll see something and I'm like, I'm starving. And I'm here. I'm like, fuck it. I'm getting it was pizza. I'm getting that pizza. Like, you just feel that way. So

Chuck Shute:

yeah, I wonder if you could do Could you could you still call it call it a carnivore diet if you're mostly carnivore, but you have an occasional cheat,

Devin Bronson:

I guess. Yeah. I mean, that's that's probably the more accurate way to do it. I was just more curious about Okay, let's see what this is. Like. I'll try I'll try it.

Chuck Shute:

So for six weeks, you did it straight and you felt great. Yeah,

Devin Bronson:

I did. Did the crazy. I'm not I'm not recommending it. I didn't I don't have like I don't have a sweet tooth or anything. So I didn't like but

Chuck Shute:

was it what food did you miss the most pizza or?

Devin Bronson:

Yes, just bread and like pasta? Like? Yeah, like wine would be against I was and I was doing vodka sodas though. Because that was a keto friendly. Yes, no sugars. Yeah.

Chuck Shute:

Okay. That's not too bad. A little lime in there. Yeah, you get the what is the what is the one vodka that's like, it's so it's so like, perfect. It actually tastes good. Like, just with like a club soda. Like it doesn't taste better. Oh,

Devin Bronson:

I'm trying to remember like, I like Tito's. I like the

Chuck Shute:

one that's like, is it made with potatoes or something? So it's like, keto friendly. And yeah,

Devin Bronson:

I don't I don't know. I don't know how it's different. I mean, but yeah, that's like a good shipping. Some club soda. It's a good one. Yeah.

Chuck Shute:

It's good stuff. Yeah. Awesome. Well, this record is out now. And yeah, it was it was shoot. I was like I was camera. If I had reached out after it might have been like I reached out like right after it came. But it's out now. So people don't have to like, tell you the release date you can get by although I think the vinyl and stuff is still on preorder, right.

Devin Bronson:

I don't know. I think it's available. Oh, I've seen people with it. Yeah. Oh, did

Chuck Shute:

they get the advance copy? I thought it said maybe the website was wrong. I thought the website said preorder so it was amazing.

Devin Bronson:

You know, that's a big that's a big issue now is vinyl pressing is very difficult. There aren't a lot of likes taking a lot longer. Yeah, like smashing pumpkins talked about it where they were like, you know, we can't press these for like, you know, we had to do it nine months in advance. Metallica bought their own vinyl pressing facility. Taylor Swift bought her own vinyl pressing facility, because they're at a level where he could do that. But you know, bands are lining up to get their vinyls made. There's just not enough. Okay,

Chuck Shute:

yeah, no, it does. It I think it's available. Now you click and it says order. Okay, so yeah, it's like 40 bucks for the vinyl glow in the dark. That's pretty badass. And you can get a shaker you can get these packages and stuff. Yeah, he's such that That's hilarious. He's such a fan. The cassette is sold out. That's crazy.

Devin Bronson:

That's awesome. Is there my first albums were cassettes were they?

Chuck Shute:

That's uh, yeah, that's uh, yeah, I remember cassettes on them on that old I think my first thing was was a record I think it was like the wham Wake Me Up Before You Go goes like the sample. That was my first musical record. And and then cassettes and then CDs and now streaming and then that maybe they'll come up with some new thing. Who knows? Now

Devin Bronson:

it'll be the neuro link and your brain will just play music in your head.

Chuck Shute:

That's scary shit. Yeah, it's exciting. The future is exciting, but also scary with all the AI and all that. Because then that could that replace your job with the AI? They could just be like, Hey, I write me a song that sounds like Skid Row meets Guns and Roses and they just, you know.

Devin Bronson:

When the ATM came out, everyone thought there'd be no more bank tellers. And today there are more bank tellers than before the ATM came out. Because, yes, because there were more opportunities for more branches of bank Next. Now, that could change again. But my point in that story is we kind of never know what this technology is going to do. And from what I've seen, yeah, there are aspects of it that could change, especially for like stuff in the TV world, possibly, but a lot of it, it could just be a tool that makes more opportunities for more stuff to happen. That's good for music. So I don't know I'm not I tend to be an optimist and not like default to the end times are coming like Cyberdyne systems T two, like I try to not look that way. It's just so early to tell I don't think I've played with stuff where you type in something, and it's novel, and it's cute, but it doesn't. You know, it's not writing Bohemian Rhapsody, or it's not like, it's not doing anything that's really that amazing. Outside of just Oh, wow, that kind of does sound like that. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

I think I heard one that was the Nirvana. So it was like a new Nirvana song. It was interesting. It sounded like Nirvana.

Devin Bronson:

Yeah. Well, I mean, lawyers are gonna have a lot of fun going after people for this and their likeness. And who knows? I mean, I know there's there are people trying to draft legislation to protect artists, right people? And well, that was

Chuck Shute:

what the whole Hollywood strike was about. Oh, that was a big piece of it was the actors and actresses, because they wanted to be able to use their likeness where they that was,

Devin Bronson:

that was a variable in that. Yeah. I mean, that was definitely like, a big part of the strike that, yeah, I mean, if you could, I mean, you're not going to like someone like Margot Robbie, they're not going to do that too. But maybe background actors, they would do it too. So it's going to affect them. And then it's like, okay, how do we protect that? Because, you know, you can do a lot with this.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. And then also, like, actors and actresses that are dead, they could like, didn't they? What was that commercial? Where they had John Wayne vacuuming or something like that? Yeah,

Devin Bronson:

but that'll be that that'll be who controls their estates gonna license that? They're gonna say like, yeah, you can use Frank Sinatra in this.

Chuck Shute:

So crazy to think about, I guess, I don't know, if I'm sure. I don't know if podcasters will be replaced. But then I'll find something else to do. I guess I don't

Devin Bronson:

I just don't I mean, you know, TV is as smart and as dumb as it's ever been all at the same time. You know, it's like, new, I don't necessarily think it's going to replace, but it could augment like certain parts of it. And be different.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, I mean, you just never know. Nobody knows the future. What's what's going to happen, but it is just we're living in a very wild time for

Devin Bronson:

it's moving. It's definitely I think the rate of change is, what's scaring people is it's like, we all expect things to change. But when it seems like Oh, last week, this didn't exist. And then now there's something that can book flights for me with AI. Like, it's just crazy. The rate of change?

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. And then it's like, for older guy like me, I'm kind of like, am I going to be able to even understand how to use this, like, maybe there's all this cool stuff that AI can do, but I don't understand it enough to be able to use it? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. But the thing is, the one skill that are, you know, the many skills that it can't do, at least unless you unless they have fully formed robots is like an AI can't like change your lightbulbs and like, fix your car, and all that stuff, all the mechanical things that and a lot of people don't have those skills. And so have you.

Devin Bronson:

Have you seen the South Park? Yeah, exactly. The the trades people are the new like billionaires and rich and the guy who the guy who can fix the sink is now the most in demand where all the you know, office workers are just completely obsolete. Yeah. I mean, I think you will see a shift in that. To a degree. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

well, because I think like, because when I was a kid, my parents like they always like push college, so much college call it if you don't go to college, you're gonna end up working at McDonald's. And so like, and then when I worked in the schools, it was the same that we push that on the kids college, college, university University. And it's like, I think we went too far the other way. And now, all the people that were the blue collar workers are, they're making a lot more than these people with a master's in, you know, French literature, whatever they are, and they're not in debt. Yeah. And they're not in debt. Exactly. And so it's,

Devin Bronson:

you know, college has an important role. If you know what you're going after, and it will be a lawyer, Doc, you need to go. Yeah, yeah, I used to sit. People used to, like, submit when I would like put bands together for different artists as a music director role where they would go, you know, well, I got a degree from Berkeley. I go, that's irrelevant. Let me see you play like that doesn't do anything on a stage like, like, you know, have you ever played gigs? Have you been in a bar in front of four people and three of them hate you? And do you know how to, you know, do a live show? I don't care that you were in a classroom or, you know, what do you look at?

Chuck Shute:

Exactly? It's like, well, maybe a guy has a master's degree from Harvard in business. But they've never built a business. And this guy over here has a high school diploma, but he built a business from zero to$10 million. I'm like, I'm gonna listen to that guy more.

Devin Bronson:

You can read every book in the world about karate, but until you've been in a fight, you don't know shit. That's just it. Like, that's. So yeah, a lot of these thought application. degrees, people don't know what to do with it. So one part of it

Chuck Shute:

is just talent. Like, I mean, I could have gone to school and gotten a master's in music, I'm never gonna be able to play guitar. Like, you're like, you just have that talent. And it's just there. I mean, I could get better. I could be the best version of me, but I'm never going to be as good as you. Yeah, I mean, I

Devin Bronson:

think I heard Paul Gilbert say this one time when he was talking about EMI, maybe, and just kind of how it wasn't like, it taught me like how to do something on guitar, it was just I was immersed in being there, and playing 15 hours a day. And it was more about like, everything around him was just like myopic the focus was practice. And like there was value in that. So like, from that standpoint, I can see a lot of value in going to, you know, if you're going to a film school, and you're just around all like minded people who are all working towards the same thing, but the degree isn't going to make you a great director. It's just that that isn't the catalyst to then okay, well, now I get to make a movie for Universal Pictures. Now, that doesn't, that doesn't work that way.

Chuck Shute:

If you have the talent, it can help you harness that. But I also feel like you could learn the talent and other things like and just being in a bunch of bands and doing all that kind of stuff. But well,

Devin Bronson:

that's what matters more in this industry, is that the experience,

Chuck Shute:

and I think the networking is that I think it was I think it was maybe Sam BAM Colton talked about, he went to some music school in LA. And I think he like, got a lot of networking through it, because you're meeting all these other people who are trying to be in bands, and, you know, everybody in your class and

Devin Bronson:

that that that is the you know, intangible value of that is like being in that circle. And that's, that's where a lot of value I think is derived like, where you are in, you're in the scene and you're immersed in it, you're going to know this guy. And that's, that's this whole business relationship business, this person is going to call you and say, you know, I know this great guitar player, I know this great drummer, and you don't know where that's coming from. Or I worked with this guy one time over here. So yeah, so waiting

Chuck Shute:

for that phone call, you know, but

Devin Bronson:

yeah, you never know. You never know where it comes from.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, cuz then he has this happened for you so much. Like, I mean, from all these different people, like, you know, then you met duff and introduces you slash box. And then

Devin Bronson:

that's every, that's everything in this business is that it's a version of that. And when you look at it in reverse, that's what it's going to be. It's going to be like, Oh, I worked with this guy. And then I met this person. And then, you know, I haven't talked to him in years. But this went well. And then now he's doing that what, whatever it is, it's like, it all makes sense, looking backwards. But you know, that's a reason why you don't want to be a dick. You don't want to have an ego. You don't want to, you know, ruffle feathers and burn bridges along the way, because you have no clue.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, I just try to help everybody. I mean, as much as I can, like, but I try to help other podcasters like, especially if they want a guest that I had. I'm like, oh, here, let me help you get like, I don't know. I mean, I just want to help like, I mean, yeah, are we are podcasters in competition? I mean, I guess but like, does it really? Is it really gonna hurt once I've already had a guest on the show. If I help somebody else get land that guest and it's not really going to hurt me. I feel like it's gonna help. And then, you know, they hopefully would reciprocate, which many have. I've had a lot of other podcasters helped me get some amazing guests. It's been nice.

Devin Bronson:

Yeah. I mean, you. Obviously if the person you refer does it, it's because they want to do it. And there's a value to them. So yeah, right. I think that's all

Chuck Shute:

guitar players like, yeah, yeah.

Devin Bronson:

All the time. Yeah. I mean, I'm not. I'm not in competition. And I don't look at it that way. It's not a zero sum game at all.

Chuck Shute:

Right, because some things are not a good fit for you. But you're like, Oh, well, I don't think this is a good fit for me. But I know this other guy. That would be a great fit.

Devin Bronson:

I did it two days ago. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And, yeah, sometimes it works out amazing. Sometimes it doesn't. But if you can help connect dots for people. That's, you know, that'll come back at some point.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, that's cool that I think I think I referred a girl to you. I don't know if you've ever ended up working with her. But she I thought she was pretty talented. She was a big alpha Levine fence. I was like, Hey, you should try to like write a song. Yeah, I

Devin Bronson:

remember speaking with her. Yeah, she is talented. She's very good. Uh, yeah, we didn't do anything together but yeah, it was cool to I mean, that's it you just kind of never know maybe one day we will.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff like there's so much talent out there it's sad when you see some people that are so talented and then just for whatever reason they don't make it or doesn't click and it just like Gosh, what what went wrong but I guess that again you got to have that like Sebastian Bach type passion for this kind of thing to really be a little bit crazy and go all in on it. You

Devin Bronson:

just never you know, you never know these like even just chance encounters you read about you know, you know, speaking Keith Richards and Mick Jagger meeting you know, and like what if they didn't you know, what if he didn't go that day to the same spot and they didn't meet like the all little things you just don't think about but yeah, connections especially, I mean, that is the value of like, you know, centralized and there's different genres like Nashville has got its whole scene in New York Scott at sea in LA has its thing with people but you know, my friend Steve Ferlazzo, who I hired to play with Avril, who's now her music director still touring with her. He's, he does this thing in LA called soundcheck Live, which is like an All Star Jam type of thing and guys like Nuno? You know, Glenn Sobel plays with Alice Cooper. I did it once. It was me and Rudy sarzo. So it's, you know, it's a lot of like, guys, you know, and then younger up and coming people. They almost had the David Lee Roth Steve Vai. Billy Sheehan reunion at this thing. I don't know if you read about this. They were gonna do it again. soundcheck live,

Chuck Shute:

are you one of those? Is that the one in LA Lucky

Devin Bronson:

Strike? They do. And so Steve had Steve Ferlazzo. It was Steve Vai and Billy Sheehan and Gregg Bissonette, we're going to come down and play. And I guess David Lee Roth heard about and said, We'll all come do it. So it was like you were going to get this de facto reunion. And I guess it's I don't know if it got leaked. I mean, I'm speaking out of turn now because Steve would know it's the Palazzo know the whole story. But the place got inundated where 1000s and 1000s of people show up so the fire marshal shut it down before it could happen. So it never happened. But it was like you're about to see, you know, the David Lee Roth band era reunite for the first time at this bowling alley. And I see bowling alley, it's very nice. It's a very cool stage. But the point is he you know, Steve Realizer does this thing. And he puts a ton of work into it. And it's very cool to see all these different musicians from all these different guys who tour with pop backs that are aside, hire guys, studio musicians, you know, guys from, you know, famous 80s bands. You know, I think Sebastian did it one time he came up and saying something that, you know, one Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

no, I mean, like, when you see these guys, like I even had, like Kid rocks, a piano player on my show. And I was like, Okay, let me let me do like a little research on him. And you know, what else? Does he do anything else besides Kid Rock? Oh, he has a solo thing. And I thought his solo stuff was awesome. I was like, Dude, this is like old school blues and stuff. And he's cool. And he's just the side piano player for Kid Rock. I mean, it's amazing that these the level of talent, it's just music is so competitive. In some ways. It's hard to I mean, I felt like Jimmy bones like a Kid Rock piano player, like, this guy should just be out touring on his own. But it's like, it's so hard to do that to get to that level where you have enough people that are gonna come see you. And

Devin Bronson:

yeah, I mean, I, you know, back to, you know, getting to do this record with Sebastian and Jeremy and Todd. It's like, I never found I never found like a band. When I was coming up, that I was like, you know, we felt like, okay, we're a unit. So it's cool to like, get to feel that even though I'm doing a solo record for Sebastian coming in and making this but like, you know, I never had the quintessential singer frontman that I found that was like going to, you know, I couldn't do that. I couldn't do anything close to that. So it was, you know, unless you find that person. You know, you could be good at this instrument. But it's about the collective. And it's about the whole group. So a lot of guys, and I know tons of them. They're insanely talented. And you kind of can't fall into this world of Hired Gun work. I know there was a documentary about it. And you know, where you do you become a sideman, and it's a fun life and you make money and you get to tour and you get to do stuff, but you don't focus. It's not the traditional like when I came up in music, I just assumed, oh, well you're in a band. And if you're lucky, you get a record deal. And then you go on the road and that's that's the only trajectory in music. I didn't even think there was this world of oh, people who can make you know, some money playing you know, for somebody else.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, that's an interesting that is interesting. Well, I watched that documentary. And I think was I think Jason hook from Five Finger Death Punch is in that one.

Devin Bronson:

You know, the first time I ever saw Jason hook, he was playing guitar for Hilary Duff. Yeah, people know that. At

Chuck Shute:

least I didn't know that. Yeah. And he was was for a little bit too. Yeah, but I go that

Devin Bronson:

was you know, it's like okay so this guy who then you know he's this amazing shredder metal guitarist that goes on Five Finger Death Punch was like with a you know Nickelodeon girl at radio shows that I was playing at you know, and it's like there was there's a lot of those guys there's a lot of like, guys in it's it's got to make a living you got to make a living there's there's really pros and cons to all of it. You know, I remember when I was putting admirals band together in the during the third record, the amount of guys that reached out to me that I would never think would want to do Hired Gun stuff that wanted to do it that were just like, Man, I want to do something in the pop world that's a little more like mellow and not as crazy and like, not as raucous. It was like interesting to me. I was like, Oh, that makes me feel kinda like, we got something good going on here, which we did it. I mean, there. There are benefits to all of it. And it's just it's a different world. And yeah, you can have a guy, he goes out with his band. And then he goes out maybe if he's lucky with some pop artists. You know, you look at some of these bigger acts. They get name people, you know, Steve Lucas, there was a hired gun touring guy for people for years. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

I mean, I think it's just, it's interesting, because you're just so underrated in my opinion. Like, I'm glad that I had you on before too. And then I hear Eddie trunk raving about you. And I was like, oh, I need to have you back. Because like, I mean, you could have called this record. Bach Bronson. I mean, because you're as much of a part of it as he is almost. Well, I that's

Devin Bronson:

nice to say. And I mean, you know, I definitely look at it, as you know, we came into this, we're doing his solo record, and I'm glad I get to collaborate. Kind of, you know, the comparison for me would be like Zakk Wylde with Ozzy maybe, like, I can come in and kind of have, you know, from the musical standpoint, you know, put my fingerprint on it, and then let him make it his his record. And, you know, I appreciate that, because it's also, you know, I am up, you know, there are bigger names on these records sometimes, and yeah, I don't, I'm not, you know, I'm very content with what I do. And like, you know, that's, yeah, it's nice. And it's fun. And I'm glad to me, it's more. I'm grateful I get to do it. Because sometimes it's like, Oh, I get to kind of cut loose and do something really over the top on this album. That's fun versus the maybe the restrain world I'm living in on other projects.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. No, that's awesome. And you get to be creative. And then you get to do some shows. You're I mean, you're you're living the life. It's amazing.

Devin Bronson:

I'm trying, I'm trying.

Chuck Shute:

Cool, man. Well, I will get this episode up soon. Anything else you want to promote? Or people should follow you on Instagram? You're great follow on Instagram, you post great stuff.

Devin Bronson:

I'm trying to be more active on Instagram and Twitter. I'm trying to I'm very bad about being active and trying to get better.

Chuck Shute:

Now, I think you're good, I think because like, you don't want to see the PV ever follow people on Instagram and you look at the stories and it's just like dots, because they pose no doors.

Devin Bronson:

You'll never see that for me. You don't get you

Chuck Shute:

don't post too much. So I feel like to me like I feel like that's worse when people post too much. Because then I feel like that's why I try to be careful. I'm like, Oh, God, I posted like five stories today. This is way too much people are gonna unfollow me. So to me,

Devin Bronson:

it's about something. It's got to be funny. It's got to be like, Yeah, you're not funny. Like I don't I'm not there to talk about horrible geopolitics or like, elections. I'm not doing any of that. Like, that's me. It's like goofy stuff. And there's some funny stuff. Yeah, Todd Kerns is a good follow on Instagram, too. He's always just posting goofy stuff where I'm always sending him. Just really, it is like a treasure trove of nonsense on Instagram, so it can be fun. be treated that way. Cool.

Chuck Shute:

All right, man. Well,

Devin Bronson:

dude, it was fun talking to you. Good to

Chuck Shute:

see you too. All right. Yeah.

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Chuck Shute

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