Chuck Shute Podcast
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Chuck Shute Podcast
John Guarnieri (Silver Spear Security)
John Guarnieri is a podcaster and former Secret Service agent. He is also the chief operating officer for Silver Spear Security, and has worked with Motley Crue, Shinedown and others. He has some great stories and an interesting perspective given his background. We discuss security risks, mass shootings, police interactions, hangers on with big bands and more! A really fun discussion!
0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:33 - Security Systems in Place
0:03:25 - Death Threats & Preventing Incidents
0:08:23 - Getting Into the Secret Service
0:13:40 - Bulletproof Vests & Dressing the Part
0:15:55 - NDAs and Crazy Stuff with Secret Service
0:18:10 - Scary Situations
0:20:38 - Deescalating Situations & Police
0:28:33 - Moral Compass & Choosing Clients
0:30:50 - Hangers On For Big Bands
0:35:55 - Fan Meet & Greets
0:36:55 - Domestic Abuse & Girl Fights
0:38:35 - School Shootings & Public Security
0:48:10 - Being Good Humans & Knowing Neighbors
0:49:35 - Obama's Chef That Died
0:50:55 - Issues with Media
0:51:56 - UFOs, A.I. & Conspiracies
0:54:01 - John's Podcasts
0:55:25 - Conservation Issues
1:00:05 - Harry Turner & Emerald Arch
1:03:20 - Outro
John Guarnieri Youtube:
https://youtube.com/@speartalk
Emerald Arch website:
https://www.emeraldarch.org/
Chuck Shute website:
https://www.chuckshute.com/
Thanks for Listening & Shute for the Moon!
John granaries my guest today. He's a former secret service agent who now does security for bands like Motley Crue and Shinedown. And he also has a few podcasts of his own has had some really great conversations with some of the most interesting people on the planet. Lots of great insights and stories here. A fascinating conversation coming right up.
John Guarnieri:Well, the guys I work with are pretty simple and low key where they don't want big extravaganza, red carpet type stuff. But some clients say what the private elevator they want doors held stuff like that, just how they want it. So you have to advance them like the hotel staff, the front desk, everyone.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, so do you think in your mind of like doomsday kind of things, you're always thinking like, Okay, what's like the worst thing that can happen? What you know, you're always looking for, like the vulnerable spots and things. And
John Guarnieri:yeah, it's, it's one of those things where like, obviously, a lot of these hotels and stuff, they've had these type of events before we got the first or the last type of client or person to come through there. So a lot of systems or plans they have in place are actually really well. So sometimes we should ever come across this, especially after the pandemic allow the the people that were there for so long that I've known over the years either were forced to retire because they weren't vaccinated, or they just wanted to retire to just retire, or some of beta passed away. So try to teach some of these new hotel people that got promoted stuff to kind of how to deal with all the advanced type stuff is a process but there's always crazy people. So that's always one outlier, you control what you can control, you're worried about whether you can worry about other than that he's had to adapt to something has happened.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, so a lot of it was security. And whether it's secret service or rock band, it's all about just mitigating the risk, right? You never can be 100% and make sure there's no risk. But if you make it a lot safer and easier, then you have less chance of an incident. Right? Yeah. 100%
John Guarnieri:There is no. Yeah, I mean, an ideal world you'd never want. Everything should be 100%. Right? The ideal perfect world, no matter what we do, no issues, no traffic, I could free up my wallet, my cars, my cars just start every time. But it's the planning that goes into the oneness scenario. So before I even go on a tour, I've done so much now that I try to plan all the western areas ahead and say our car breaks down or we have a stalker the mere threat of social media or we have a unattended bag, we're active bomb threat, which has happened numerous times with clients, venues and stuff. So it's like, play in your head, how you think you should go. It do everything in your power to make sure it gets that way. And I've been fortunate to work alongside great law enforcement or local staff and security and stuff where they have great plans in place. There's sometimes those places where they suffer, they lack leadership. And maybe diver has to be a leader, but the people that are afraid to fail, or maybe they think they think the wrong thing. That's what people get hurt or death or injured. It's these people that are very quick witted. It Go with your gut, feel it out, just go with it. Just don't. If you think about failure, you're gonna fail. So I always think of, you know, what's a really terrible situation, but this is what we're gonna do guys or girls, and we're gonna do it. So. Yeah,
Chuck Shute:I mean, it's interesting when you talk about like, stalkers, or threats and things online, because like, I'm friends with a DJ here, just he's just, he's a local FM radio DJ. And I went somewhere hanging out and like one of his buddies was, oh, where's your buddy said, Oh, he's not coming. He got some death threats. This is a guy who was like on like, an MTV show or something. He goes and but the DJ is like, Yeah, and I've gotten them to he's like, anybody in the public spotlight gets death threats, like people, I don't think people realize how common that kind of stuff is.
John Guarnieri:Yeah, it's well sucks to where you have to treat everything. Like it's a real threat. I mean, obviously, if you were able to get something from some Ponzi scheme type thing from Kenya, like, it'll give you a body will kill you blowing up and I was like, Dude, the chatter happening is starting to happen. But this world, I mean, we just dealt with wallop Ontario, where a guy for the last couple of times you grew up in that area, Toronto and eastern Canada, where he's made threats to though it myself, but the guitar player and bass player, he's off his beds, we know who he is, we have all the pictures. He'd be fine one day, the next day, he'll send us crazy stuff like I'm gonna kill you if you don't support me and all this stuff. And you have to go through this whole rigor this whole show the picture, there's local staff, make sure you don't let people even come in, but keep tabs on because I was thinking I was thinking as long as that like an actual easier threat. No, I think he's off his beds. I think that's what everyone's kind of determined, but I never want to they can even more upset with us where if we'd say hey, we catch with the show, and we don't let it in and make a big deal out of it. Now he is the ammunition so to say to Now we're at a hotel or outside the venue where we have extra security to possibly have a gun pulled on us or die. So it's just yeah, it's we live in sad times, man, I think people are just either aggravated for the right or wrong reasons. They think that violence is the right way. And it's just vicious social media today, we can type anything that just like, you don't know how I would have read it, or you're going to read your own. It's just like, what are we doing with people?
Chuck Shute:Yeah, and it was interesting because like, you look at the thing like, like the like airport. I mean, the security is so tight there. I mean, I just really I'm trying to think like, I haven't heard of any incidents at the airport. It's been a long time other than people going crazy on the plane and yelling at each other and punching and stuff, but nothing with a gun or a knife. Or you know, I don't think anybody's like been fatally wounded.
John Guarnieri:No, there hasn't really there hasn't been any terrorist attacks or like threats or bombs. We remember after that level with people sneaking stuff in their underwear, their socks, I mean, obviously all the hijack stuff. But I mean, the funny thing is, I literally last year, I walked through the retail airport, with my knife, my pocket, forgot about it, and walked right through the magnetometer what they say a single thing that was just like, Oh, God. So I mean, I have a lot. So it's all thanks to where you always see these videos, you like these videos, we have these amphitheaters and arenas and stadiums where people try to sneak and stuff that are this is a special gift for a veteran. So I have this nice, special bullet. It's like that stuff like that. You kinda, it will work with the gray area there. I mean, I think honestly, you could look at people come through the airport and see who the threat or death threat is. So
Chuck Shute:yeah, it's interesting that with concerts to even Yeah, I feel like, for the most part, I mean, if they go through security and the metal detectors, it's really I mean, you get I guess you get a plastic bottle with a with beer. I mean, it's hard to like hurt somebody after you've been through security. And you take away any sort of weapon that Yeah, buddy,
John Guarnieri:you're allowed to walk in with your car keys, or pencils? Or did he needles, so you give me a sharpened pencil? I could stab you. So it's like, it's like, where do you draw the line outside the door with guns, dies, pepper, spray, brass knuckles, stuff like that, where that people would start getting creative. And that you also trusting someone who's doing something for $8 an hour to do their job, defend their job in the eyes of other people. So it's like, you got the human aspect there. It's like, fortunately, I've dealt with some great venues and staff throughout the year. So I've never really had an issue with Have you ever
Chuck Shute:seen that meme of the or it's like a gift or it's like a short video. It's sort of the security guard. And he's kind of like this, like, just really just, he just barely touches the guy. And there's all these like titles that they give it, you know, like,
John Guarnieri:I think that was Liverpool, England. Okay. Yeah, that was Yeah, I mean, luckily, nothing happened that show. But I mean, it's one of those things where it's like, you watch that. It's like, oh, if I want to go here, or say you're extremist, and you don't like the Gay Lesbian population, you want to do a Pulse nightclub. I want to target that club where they have their next gay night or their next Christian music night. It's like you people see that stuff. It's like, people are always watching bad guys or girls are always watching. So it's like, well, that stuff gets out there. It's funny to laugh at, I laugh at but I'm like, Man, this could this could have been a really bad day for people. If this was somebody had a shitty day at work, and they want to stop and start shooting their stab. It's like, people got to take the job seriously?
Chuck Shute:Yeah. Well, how do you so how do you because I know your background. You went to this Norwich College, which I had never heard of, but I guess it's the oldest military college it's it is well known and established. Is that is going to that school. Is that how you kind of got catapulted into Secret Service? Because I mean, you went from like, basically having not a lot of experience in security to been working one of the number one security jobs.
John Guarnieri:Yeah, so I have always wanted the military. I've always wanted to serve whether it's law enforcement, military or something along those lines. And once I chose DOJ, because I wanted to be in the Navy, I wanted to be like either a submarine or like system warfare. And my sophomore year long story short, my dad got sick, Brady was in a coma for a couple of months. And my biggest fear was if I started the paperwork to commission, my sophomore year, I would eat sense of where I could help my sisters at the time or my mom, if something were to come up, and I felt like if my dad was recombined in this, I feel obligated to stay stick around the area and kind of figure out something I still want to do love but be close to that will not be set away for six to eight months at a time. Nor do that if I have to get hold. And so that's what my friend at the time was two years older than me. He was just about to graduate. It started the process, his junior year. It's a secret service. He's always driven motorcycles. And he got the job where he can lead the motorcades around the world. The bike so he was a judge. You're gonna love this play your eggs, the basket. Screw da forget ATF. Just don't even think about FBI. You're gonna love this because I've always wanted to serve and protect other people. And so, yeah, I did that from 2008 to 2014 under the Obama campaign, or the Obama presidency, In 2014, I met my partner co del, the private security firm backstage at a Charlie Sheen show, where he just got fired from his TV show. He did the torpedo of truth tour. And I wasn't mean Charlie Sheen or Yeah, so I did. Also I do Fred's at the time when he's in DC. And so I went there and I saw my partner Chris a quarter and swept him I obviously knew what he was his job was it him, but I just hit it off. And he says, When you get bored of the politics of the government, you should think about maybe joining the politics of the entertainment industry, which it's a little bit better. I think that the government because I'm a boss, so I could tolerate the politics a little bit. But I went through divorce at the time, around 2013 or so. And that was just kind of birthed out. From a situation I was in I still love what I did, but like do it for the people. I did it for the automobile personal stuff. I was like, I need to change that's kind of why Joe private so but here for sets. Yeah.
Chuck Shute:It's so fascinating, though, so that you can just went right from college to Secret Service, like you think that they would want somebody that had had experience that had done, you know, the FBI and well, you know, law enforcement and military had all these like experience and background or why did they pick and uh, you and your what right from call it? Yeah,
John Guarnieri:it's one of the things too is like the process. I mean, my polygraph was two and a half days. Yeah.
Chuck Shute:So that's crazy to ask you about, have you had sexual thoughts of animals or animals
John Guarnieri:it like weird stuff, if you really saw all that will ask you like 12 questions. But they're all worded differently every time like, when's the last time you let your parents or stuff like that, where you're kind of like caught off guard, like, well, hold on a second, like, you remember what I was for, and I took a cookie from the cookie jar. So they want you to they want you basically maintain the same answers through everything. And so they'll ask they'll throw random questions like How often do you think about having sexual relations with animals? Or have you thought about doing this? Or like just a question like that, but some of these questions? Yeah, I think I don't think that's that's part of the human aspect of it. And every time I'd laugh or make its face, it'd be like, he's got to answer it. Like, obviously, they knew what the deal was. But you have to pass a fitness. There's a huge fitness component. psych evaluation is entry level exams, you have to take like post exams and stuff like that. And even the process to begin tissue service, you have to graduate four months done at Glencoe, Georgia, which is under the Department of Homeland Security. So you spared you do the basic training under the umbrella there was shooting driving, basic protection, counterfeit stuff, drug stuff, a lot of fitness head to head, all that type of stuff. And if you graduate that then you can go and set up the Beltsville, Maryland, which is a secret service training facility, which has over three to four bouts of specific to that job, which is you started with the rope lines, how to survive helicopter crashes? Slide well armed training like that, which is very specific, obviously to Secret Service.
Chuck Shute:How do you survive a helicopter crash?
John Guarnieri:So if we're the wood, people, obviously, when you see at the White House, read one, there's three of those laid on the South Lawn. So obviously, you don't know which one he's getting on once you leave the south grounds. So if there's ever a threat, you're not sure which one you're targeting to break down the president whoever said the reward. So there'll be three helicopters to fly over the Potomac or whatever, the likelihood of the hit by something, we're probably over the Potomac with him. So if you lead to the water, how do you survive a crash underwater? How do you get your sheep out? How do you grab the Protect D? How you grab the move and stuff underwater when you can't see under distress?
Chuck Shute:Wow, and then so I'm assuming this might be a dumb question. But do you guys want a bulletproof vest all the time?
John Guarnieri:On paper, yes. It's one of those things where it's like we do different details, say you're like Israel or Jakarta or places where it's like Palestine type stuff, where you're kind of like, it's wars ish. There's stuff always happening. It is one of these two words. It's a shame because sometimes when I would not wear my vest around DC or certain switches because it was all about comfort, right, which that might rattle some people but when it came down to it, it's like the teeth how that's so set up it's like if if I'm about to be hit by a bullet like there's the layers of security that gone who's got that close? There's bigger issues to worry about. But yeah, you carry you should carry it. I think everyone should if you issued the gear you should always carry it because obviously it's issued for a reason. But recovers to private stuff. I definitely wear a vest tray that you said you definitely do or I don't when it comes to private stuff though. If I'm in a suit or whatever, like I'm not, I'm not worried.
Chuck Shute:But you said something about how you do dress like a security you dress the part you drink you wear like a suit you don't just wear like jeans and yeah,
John Guarnieri:no, it's it's for me it's a deterrent. To win, especially walk into venues, whether it's dealing with local staff or other patriots out there, the front of house area, you see someone come in with the dark with a suit on you kind of like well, this is even worst case, this person has to talk to me because they don't look adorable. You stand out, right? It For Me, I always like that word to help kind of call the situation because it's like, would you for me, if I saw someone with a suit coming my way, I'd be like, Okay, what happened like this, I can't lie to this person, I gotta be legit. Or especially if I have to hop the barricade down, which has happened with medical situations or fights or whatever. They see that couple, they just scatter. So it's, it helps me do my job, because I think it's a deterrent. Because you feel like I feel me I feel proud. I feel like I'm representing something that I believe in is like, if you feel good, you look good. You're gonna act good. So for me, that's just kind of a mental thing to
Chuck Shute:Oh, that makes sense. So do you when you work for the Secret Service? Or like Shinedown? Or whatever? Do you have to sign like an NDA where you can't talk about a lot of stuff? Yeah,
John Guarnieri:I mean, that's all protected stuff that the government stuff. I think just like you have to wait, I think I could wait another seven, eight years before if I wanted to, like read like a book or like talk about it. Like, but I would never the people that do that are just like, No, there's that there's sure that I've been privy to a lot of stuff that I think people would think would be baby crazy. But I don't my goal is to never share that. Like I have no need to share that stuff. Right. So that again, you're privy to stuff that why the I did privy to some crazy stuff working in the government, that I think people doing what, but I would never share it because I'm not like that stuff. So the I experienced that I kind of protect that value of what you did. Why you did it. I'm not here to like, throw Dave under a boss and stuff.
Chuck Shute:You're saying like personal stuff, not not government secrets and things?
John Guarnieri:Will be yeah, there's been places the seed stuff that maybe point 5% of the population seed so,
Chuck Shute:so fascinating. You can't tell you
John Guarnieri:know, some of the stuff I just can't talk about.
Chuck Shute:It's public though, right? Because that whole thing like obviously, if you weren't show 2014 You weren't involved with the nine people who lost their jobs with the prostitution scandal,
John Guarnieri:though two of those people were my classmates. So we've all heard that. Yeah, but you weren't caught to hate it. No, I wasn't out there. And then a guy thing
Chuck Shute:where there was like, three of them were sent back after a night of drinking in Amsterdam. The Secret Service party I didn't
John Guarnieri:the big they all party. I think the problem there is that the Secret Service took all the brunt of that there were there there was military aides there is presidential staff there was all involved with that they they I think the secret service took it on the chin there so but yeah, I mean it's that's one of the things too it's like would you do that high stressful job I do a lot of a friends or law enforcement to where law enforcement maintain the stable life at home or not drinking would you could drink till you pass out or stuff like that was it just it's very high stressful job it's sometimes the people that can't deal with it are the ones that kind of fade out or just get away or they get the the these demons appear they just can't chase them off hope so. What's the can
Chuck Shute:you say? Like what was the most scared you ever been? Or was there a time where
John Guarnieri:there's the when we went over there with Obama there's like ISRAEL PALESTINE like real at the border there some hairy stuff for obvious reasons with the whole Palestine Israeli Gaza Strip and everything but yeah, there's been times private security I've had guns pulled on me or people they threatened or threaten me and stuff and if I'm with someone but it's never it's never like we're Hollywood portrays it as like just don't stop flood of just fistfights and because if you're at a bar or a situation with fire breaks out my job was to get out of there safely with the client that sit on the ground and start doing jujitsu in martial arts with a biker gag like it's just
Chuck Shute:it's always a gun gets pulled on you do you try to talk him out of it? Are you immediately grabby
John Guarnieri:that'd be what you'd have to you'd have to really read that situations like really real time and just make what you think is the right call it both times there was no heads on the guy just kind of was kind of and it's easy to say people off medication when they do that stuff but he wasn't a safe person obviously. Okay, well I like that a tree I did was how to disarm people with guns and knives it just how to just do all that stuff it was That's why Mr. Most would because when you the government stuff, you get both your quarterly qualifications with shooting, driving like medical stuff. active shooter training, that's the kind of stuff I viscous like it's so built into what our schedule is career where private you kind of have to do your own thing, which is why but we kind of started to erode trading too, for people while we bodyguards above. How to like maintain not only fitness, the mental aspect of it, but like the trading aspect of such changes or laws change. And that's the big thing out here. It's you can't i can't really just walk into some countries or cities or states with a firearms, even though of license because York may have different rules of Massachusetts or DC or California or Wyoming or Texas. It's like there's a lot of times you see people, oh, I'm a bodyguard just get arrested at the airport or whatever, because they don't have the right paperwork. They don't even supposed to be carrying a firearm. It's like, that's a big part of this whole industry. It's like you have to deal with the laws, the rules and regulations. It's, it's a lot.
Chuck Shute:Yeah. So when you talk about things change, I mean, just because there was the whole rash of police shootings, it seems like that's kind of died down a little bit. But is there different strategies that maybe as a security expert is are there ways to deescalate those situations without jumping to the firearm with for police? Maybe using the Taser or other others? Yeah, I mean,
John Guarnieri:I think for law enforcement, there's you have to escalation. Use of Force policy. Yeah, that's what it's called. But also there where, if a guy has a if a guy is coming at you with fists kicking, you know, he's a big guy, whether you're a guy or girl, I was trained, I will go to my baton down because I could strike him the target group the attacking lives, large muscle groups, I could attack with my talk petard it bring him or her down. Now that person has dice or it looks like a shiny object in your head you know if it's a key uses a brass knuckle or brass knuckles now going to transition baby because I wasn't trained on tasers so I can't really speak of that. We never carry tasers, but maybe I could use my pepper spray or OC spray I have if a word to use, but if it's at a large group of people, and my partners are there by the teammates, why bigger spray pepper spray that can affect everyone? So that you kind of like why would you save a baton but if this guy has a knife or large weapon a baseball bat, I pulled my gun out is you always be one step ahead of the perpetrator. Yeah, and I think sometimes it may be it's inadequate inadequate training, or people that aren't comfortable with what the tools I have other duty belts that I think sometimes people are it's easy to pull a gun because it's you can't get any higher than that. And what the once you pull the gun you'd be ready to pull the trigger because you're not gonna throw your gun out of the ground and transition back to somebody else so
Chuck Shute:right is that is that a thing to where they train the police if you pull the gun you shoot to kill because if you shoot
John Guarnieri:your that's your day and you're taken right if you shoot an injury you're gonna miss someone hit a bystander there's gonna be a ricochet it's just stupid. So if you're gonna pull that gun, be ready to use it. I think sometimes people Oh, that sounds do you think it's situations Harry, whereas the doing words come to blows you start talking to people and you rationalize with him right there, you've already mitigated a lot of paperwork, a lot of health issues for both the FE once you get this fight, and you're kind of like, hey, use your voice. Because end of the day we're all humans I think people people do understand Yeah, and if you don't speak the language that of dealing with someone in another country, how you present yourself and hold yourself in position your body tells them they don't understand what you're saying, but they don't you're here to help and don't want this to escalate. And I think that's a lot of the training all these departments are getting one because their bosses or whoever the elected officials are what a default police were for me you got to find police to a point where they're all getting adequate training. Don't skip ourtradie gear they should all be shooting as much as they can go to scenarios live exercises like that's that's what's going to change the perception of a law enforcement is because I there's bad apples everywhere you know, fortunately that that industry you can't afford to have a lot of bad apples but they're there and it's like again, hold each other accountable. And just believe you what you do I think will help alleviate that because there's been times where we've been out somewhere back in the day where some guys acted TA for dogs I do hold yourself accountable like you represent the by by by organization by the agency is like it's why you got to be that guy. I think that's what gives people a bandaid on what law enforcement Yeah, I didn't
Chuck Shute:understand it because like I know this is probably maybe I'm beating a dead horse with the George Floyd thing like the guys like put got him in a chokehold. It's like, okay, like you got him like, why are they not arresting him like and the other cops are all standing around and they're seeming like this is the procedure like were they just following the procedure on that?
John Guarnieri:I don't know. Because again, I bet I fiddly with that. And I it's easy for me to look that be like I wouldn't have done that. But some of their stuff is like they were saying He's resisting arrest or it is again, when you and I watch this stuff on the news. It is not even real time. It's a video a couple of minutes later. I'm like man, why would they do that? That's, that's that's the right way to do that. Or I know what the choke was. But you're kind of like, Why do you keep going on with it? Right? And and all the other cops seem to be like, right. It's
Chuck Shute:like, there's that's why they understand it's one thing, like you said a bad apple, but like, the other cops seem to be like, Yeah, this is what we're supposed to do like they Yeah, he was doing the right thing.
John Guarnieri:It was confusing. No one approached him say, hey, what do you do it Get off him? Yeah. Or like,
Chuck Shute:or they didn't try to help him like, Okay, Let's arrest this guy and put him in the car. Yeah, it's strange. So maybe that is part of the thing is that getting better trained, I think there also needs to be better trained for citizens on how to deal with law enforcement, and security like yourself and police and all this stuff.
John Guarnieri:The idea of community policing is awesome, especially I know small towns that do it where every year, every couple of years, the the law enforcement team will go into the schools like the middle school, high school, or the private schools area, just be like, Hey, this is where we are. So what we do, if you CCN, do this, say this call this number if you need help, if you're suicidal, mental health, drug addiction, you see something human trafficking, all this type of stuff, where it's like, it puts it out there like, Hey, these are these people. But some of the most successful ones is by cousin. He's a cop that he does this. He's like, they'll go in there and do like, Hey, cut down the committee, Senator this weekend, every couple months, and we're gonna go over how to call in medical emergency. Like sometimes when people hit a ball, and someone falls down. They don't know what to say at 911. They won't call. They don't know how to say, approximate age, male or female location where you're calling from what you saw. All is vital information that people sometimes it's called that will want to hang up if you make the situation worse now. Yeah, it's like training like that, how to deal with protests, how to deal with it, you come across a car accident, or you're in the middle of a car accident, or you're at something it's like, how to deal with this. The guys that go and play with the kids and stuff and uniform. It's like, I think the media tries to make all law enforcement seems like super aggressive. I've seen more of cops play baseball with kids or wiffle ball, with kids and communities and hanging out with everyone. It's like the media's not going to put that out there because they want obviously stuff sells, right when you talk about shooting
Chuck Shute:on which channel you're watching, because you know that you got the other side that's saying like, Oh, every cop is a hero. And it's like, Well, you said there's bad apples. Right. Right. They're definitely not defunding the police is in. And all cops are terrible. Like, I don't believe that statement either. I think we're all human. Right? There's some 100% takes and 100% most of the cops I've worked with, I worked on the schools and I worked with a lot of police officers. I mean, they've they're all pretty good guys, I would say with some of the cops that I worked with. And maybe it's just because that's they give that job to the cops who work in the schools. But a lot of those guys were kind of lazy.
John Guarnieri:Yeah, it's actually said before, it's like, you can only afford to be lazy until there's a school shooting, or active shooter or a traffic stop that goes haywire.
Chuck Shute:And unless you're the cop in Florida that just ran away or whatever. Yeah, so
John Guarnieri:it's just again, it's, it's sad. Some people, they just take it as a job. They'll treat it with respect. And I think the community policing is the act of keep trading and love what you do just the type of job where you are the doctor or EMS or firefighter like, if you do that just for a paycheck. Maybe you should change career path because you're not you're not your head's not right for that there's other jobs, do they probably make more money sitting at a desk as opposed to maybe showing up to a police or fire to call a time or it's just? I don't know.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, well, it's interesting because you worked for Obama, but I've heard that you're more conservative but you also said you take a bullet forum which I think is pretty honorable like to say like, Hey, this is the job I'm taking and even though we disagree you know I'm here to do
John Guarnieri:that's also that you take that job it doesn't matter what policies you believe it or left or right elephant donkey, whatever you believe in. It's just a job it's like I if I obviously I was probably very more conservative, much more conservative, even probably even some maybe libertarian, maybe the middle. But I also have a ton of friends and family the exact opposite be, but we all get along. It's like you don't I think we let politics decide, like, determine who we ought to act like or be like, and it's like, just be yourself and for me I this industry that private unable to kind of pick and choose who I work for it because obviously my level I would never work with a client that political, but if their views were like, if they're like, well, you'd have if you were the client that makes you question your moral compass, that's what I would be like add I don't need to work with you, but someone else can't or here's another guy or girl that could do the job. Maybe they're the D but I live with you like you're gonna put me in a tough spot. Like I like guys or girls that are human beings, but that aren't gonna make you get some fights with cartels are just dumb stuff like that. So
Chuck Shute:yeah, are you saying so like, if there's like a, like a guy who's maybe more of a, like a thug or something that's,
John Guarnieri:yeah, I mean a whole lot. It's sagas like sometimes again, the media will make you think like, Oh, that guy's a thug. And I'll be like, Oh, I love that guy. He's great. Dad. So it's just like, it's so for me. It's it's some of that. A lot of times people that the artists that failed this industry of celebrities, they surround themselves with their family or friends that just take take take for them. It took an adult drive, take their cash, take all their stuff, you watch TV every night. Is he a different celebrity? That's a good way to be Hagar odds. Like the artists that have like the right handle shoulders, the double what they want, they surround themselves to the best of the best. And they kind of go through to do their, their stuff. So
Chuck Shute:yeah, this has been explained that to me, the hangers on so you've seen that up close where you've seen bands or
John Guarnieri:Oh, yeah, like the bands bands, you'll see artists that they have a big hit all of a sudden the talk of the town, right? Well, they've been doing those small clubs with their 35 friends from high school that they did peg squat, who have just been milking off their teeth this whole time. Now with it the big leagues, the say people want more milk, it's like this person feels obligated to take care of that because they were This was day one. When reality the right people are gonna stick by you it your highest and your lowest. And it's it's unfortunate when you see some of these artists, the last couple years have died, whether suicide or overdose, who just lost everything would obscure because they had the they didn't listen to right people were telling them, Hey, you don't need to keep paying these people to hang around you. If they're going to be around you. They're going to get the training and do all the stuff you need to get done to make sure this this was smoothie. Otherwise, if you're here for a free ride just gonna bring the whole ship down.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, so they don't cuz I mean, I saw entourage and like that guy had like, what like four friends you have like a manager? Oh, yeah. And a driver. But you're saying there's people with like, 30 friends.
John Guarnieri:I know people I know artists that have guys that will roll their weed for.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, Snoop Dogg have somebody that yeah,
John Guarnieri:that'd be he's a little bit different. Because he's, that guy's right for that. He's a very business entrepreneur. He's actually he's an awesome guy. And you work with him in passing different events and stuff and award shows. Great guy. But the people that they have the guy that hangs out with him or the guy that he's the buddy, the bus drivers who's just gonna hang out on tour the whole time? Well, he's he take cutting the money, space time, it's just like, all that stuff adds up. Like, you don't need a guy that just shuts up your barbecued heads. Like you don't need a guy that or girl that curls your hair on Tuesdays or somebody's people will just like you just wasting money and surround yourself with idiots that do that do the day people care about you, the artist. You don't need to keep wasting your time and energy on the stuff is literally going to bring you down.
Chuck Shute:So it's like you think they're hiring because they're their friends and they want to Yeah,
John Guarnieri:it's it may be the argument people, some of them are but why are you when you get to this level? You need to have the right people in place to be successful. It go even higher. It's so that's so
Chuck Shute:interesting to hear that this is Yeah, cuz I've talked a lot of people at that. You know, that huge level of like playing arenas like Motley Crue and Shinedown and just in New York with Justin Bieber a little bit
John Guarnieri:to have a couple of last World Tour, I believe. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, yeah, it's crazy. This. You hate seeing it? Because all these people are good people. But if they don't want to listen to you, you can we get a you get to do so?
Chuck Shute:Well, yeah. And it's not. If you're doing security, it's probably not even your place to say anything most of the time right now.
John Guarnieri:I love my clients I've been with them for since I started like, since 2014. So I'm not one of those guys that jumps around, I stick with the SE bands. So I've seen kind of like these, these people that have these kind of leeches. I don't refer to what they just fall off, they just go away and everyone moves along. And you can see the growth, you can see the words is leveled out. Like some of these bands are starting up. Every time we roll to a city like, Oh, I got 45 People have a guest list. If they really your friends, do you think they should have bought the tickets? But now you invite the whole parking lot and your guest list those buy tickets to go to your show. That's why you'll always be at that level, which is a little Club Band, because you don't you just want to take care of everyone. If people want to support you to buy your tickets.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, I mean, I feel like there is that line where you know, you've been loyal and being supportive for your friends but also like people taking advantage of you that way to that it's like I'm always trying to be nice and help you and I feel like I'm the same way take advantage of that. And the same way it's like I will I will buy the band's merch if I like it shirt. Yeah, I could easily get it whenever I want it but I buy it because I believe in the band or the All right, I love that. I was able to get myself so these people want to show up or I need these tickets. I
John Guarnieri:need this amount of Burch. I need this packed backstage parking. I need catering to show day. So you're not entitled to any of this stuff. Oh, people are like, Oh my God. Yeah, that's, that's crazy. So like, he would just have a list. Ah, yep. There's some deals, people, fortunately for me have kind of gone away, like all people come backstage to act that way. They're great people. And it's usually family. But you always get that one occasional person. It's very, like, I need this assist. And lastly, as people go through me, because they don't have the bandwidth to say, talk to John. Well, now I'm just like, after the pandemic, and we all obviously you guys, so maybe we should clean some of these people out? Maybe we don't need these people back here because they are negative or they're, they're just third waste.
Chuck Shute:Have you ever had What about like with meet and greets with fans? Are you coordinate some of that too? Have you ever had to like remove fans for being too?
John Guarnieri:Yeah, there's been three too drunk. Usually. Every time that happens, it's usually because I've been drinking all day. What's the beds that do their OB greets for people pay, there's really not a lot of issues where I've had most issues is what the radio does, like their giveaways for Meet Greets. And there's no control over their, their radios or what they're doing in terms of controlling their people, their hammer, they're drugged out, or they're just ignorant. So sometimes, if you had to kind of deal with, politely remove some people, but I guess, generally all the fans are great, they don't. They don't cause a lot of issues, per se, you'll have the people obviously they get in fights or stuff during the show that they're gonna fight the grocery store, doesn't matter where they are, they're just gonna be that person. But nine times out of 10, all the fans are great, there's no issues. And then every time there is an issue, it's always an outlier of that one guy that hasn't grabbed to pick or had a bad day at work, he doesn't know how to deal with it. So that becomes to show starts punching his wife. Which happened. Really? Yeah, so I've actually see the uptick in a lot more domestic type fights like that, that shows downloads from the pandemic. People act like that out of shape for those two, three years. I know I was a little bit so then aggression, but as we get further away, I still see it. I'm just like, What are you people doing? Like that's your wife or girlfriend or your sister, your brother, your friend or your it just like, how do you treat another human like that? That, you know, I can only imagine what the people do the situation where they, they actually hate this person, or whatever else. Like it's just the human aspect. A lot of this industry is kind of corroded away over the years. So that's always my biggest worry there. Yeah,
Chuck Shute:I think sometimes it's like people, their stay hat, like you said that maybe the pandemic or whatever, but they're stressed, and then they feel most comfortable to express that anger on someone they know, because it's comfortable than a stranger, which is kind of sad. But yeah, yeah, a
John Guarnieri:lot of cat fights. Last year, girl or girl just slap and fight each other friends. Again, Chuck for alcohol jealousy. But
Chuck Shute:that's interesting. So when I worked in the schools, you know, when I was a counselor, we we had way more girl fights than boy fights. And it's funny because the boy fights, you break it up, and like they'd be friends the next day to Bill Yeah, that's cool, bro. And like the girls, they would hang on to that fight for years, you know, like, I've had a fight and a freshman. And when they're seniors are still mad at that girl. It's like, they just like go It's interesting.
John Guarnieri:It's weird. When you worked at the schools, did you have a lot of the training stuff like the active shooter stuff?
Chuck Shute:We started to Yeah, we started to have those trainings. And then we had the the drills, like the lockdown drills, we started to have towards the end of my school career was very, very bizarre and just interesting learning. But now they said that, like the people that come in, it's all a numbers thing. And they're trying to get the biggest numbers. And I actually had psychologists on my show, which, unfortunately, no, not that many people listened to it. But it was a really eye opening interview with Dr. Peter Lang. And he's like an expert. He's written a bunch of books on mass shootings and school shootings. And I mean, he says most of these things, there's warning signs, and we just don't, we haven't trained everyone to look for them. And if they feel like we train every citizen, not just like every school official or teacher, but on every citizen, parent and, you know, student and everybody to look for the signs, I think we can prevent probably 99% of it.
John Guarnieri:Yeah, sometimes people that are like the bus driver type people, the custodians, they hear it's Yeah, Butch. You're right, that there's some of the first people to actually Hey, this is going on. I heard about this, or they'll approach a kid to be like, Hey, you came home, I saw a bruise on your arm or are you being bullied by boss and stuff like that? Where it's like, people that step up above what they're probably paid to do. They just be a good human. And, again, it's funny how I was back to training and how to Read all sides. And every time people are worried or this friend of mine her, she's very like, she she's obviously, people get upset with school shootings, which if everyone should be upset by why they happen, right? But then it's like, well, I'm like, well, we should do our guard she traded drills, like why would you trade drills it's, it's, these are our kids these are we never did this where your kids are like, well, this is the world we're dealt with now. I never went to those trade drills back in the day. It wasn't until Columbine happened, where I'm just like, oh my god, this actually correction really happened. This isn't a video game now. It's so it's like, if we have these situations where active shooters are happening, yes, it sucks that our kid who's nine years old and have to deal with this type of stuff. But I'm not saying maybe true like sex education where as you get older, you learn more but have to be aware we're experts are or how to break that window, open that window or how to lock that door. It's like, this is all stuff where a deck issue situation, it's fortunately happened schools, they're gonna happen to church to or the ball or the movie theater, or where your parents work and you're visiting for bring your kid to school at work day. And so it's like, we live in a world now where you have to think about the stuff it's unfortunate that you have you can't spend time talking about nature and run around the world your bike to your kids played baseball till dusk day, you have to worry about, hey, this can happen or this guy can pull up in a car come to the playground or so. And we just have to adapt and I think the sooner we can adapt their use our resources and training and stuff. I think we help mitigate that stuff. But I don't envy anyone in the industry of education today. I guess it's just it seems like you just It's just nonstop browbeating. Yeah,
Chuck Shute:me, that's why I left. But um, yeah, it was interesting when you say we're gonna have to adapt. So do you think that maybe with schools, and like malls and things like that, because you know, airports, concerts, pretty safe, you got the metal detectors, we
John Guarnieri:have metal detectors in schools, we don't have them in the malls. I mean, those are two big areas is it going to be kind of like all major public places are going to start having an airport ultimately comes down to money to write, I've done I don't mean to get political here. But I would have rather spent half the money was sent to Ukraine to maybe approve the church security or school security, or a border security type stuff. And so I've just like the if it's all great, if you want to do what you want live, they should does at their venues, which is great with the security, the back searches and the patrolling and stuff. But can every ball afford that who's gonna pay for that end of the day taxpayers, the most vocal ones are the least ones most likely not going to pay and want to pay that bill. Or even put that on the docket. So it's like, we just have to be better humans. There's always times people are like, Oh, the teacher should not be the kid. They're your parents. That should be a extension of what you learned at home, or how you treated at home, and how the real world should operate. But we just put so much effort like it started to hope, honestly, I think so.
Chuck Shute:Yeah. Like a lot of the kids I worked with as a counselor, it was like, and I hate to say this, because I know this isn't politically correct. But it was a lot of single parent. It was tough. Those kids really struggled Now, not all of them, some of them did great and fine. But I think that really put off stress or a lot of the kids that really, or if it was two parents, both of the parents were very either very busy with maybe they were into drugs or something or they just worked a lot and they were poor, and that the parents were working and just trying to you know, pay the bills. The kid is just raising himself or raising being raised by Xbox. And so those kids struggle and yeah, you're right. I mean, the teachers are asked to kind of parent these kids because they're not getting it from their parents at home.
John Guarnieri:I remember go as they go, like grade school, middle school, high school, but oh, the user guides counselor for the year to go talk to him. I always treat it like oh, this is what these are the classes I'm taking side of the paper my parents would sign it. I checked it with you. But now it's like they they're there. I mean, I'd like to say I still don't know if I understand depression. I've never been depressed per se. So all my friends are they can talk to me about it. I kind of get where they're coming from but for me as a kid go through grade school. I'm like why would I tell some stranger that I'm having a bad day Bentley or I'm tired? Or I don't have suicidal thoughts. I'm just like, like this sucks like, why am I taking this class? This type of stuff? I just don't I never got I was never told the guidance counselor was so much more than that. They go chat talk to him about there was a sense of like cuz I went back from my 15 year high school I think it taught me that like hey, you we have your classmates were doing some crazy stuff and like you just never you would never that guy or kid at the time to be like, Oh, I got this stuff or I feel bad for my sister. She's sick or something like that where it's like these people. I wish I was told that hey, your girl is healthier is your person If you're a guy or girl, you go to confided bitch about your teacher, say, or even other issues of hope or hey, my dad just lost a job or my friends that feeling you get suicidal and worried about, oh, how do I do this without still being his friend or coming off as overreaching? I wish today kids like taking advantage those resources. Yeah, well, it's like you said earlier,
Chuck Shute:even sometimes it's not the counselor, sometimes it's the bus driver, right? As long as they have some adult actually, what's ironic is a lot of the kids really gravitated towards security guards, or the security resource police officers in the school is one of the two like, I remember, my first job in middle school, most popular guy on campus was a security guard. I mean, probably two because he gave Candy, the kids but the kids loved him. They thought he was cool, you know. And so I think that, you know, having some sort of adult because like I said, a lot of them, the parent is just not that role model for him. Unfortunately,
John Guarnieri:yeah. Imagine being a parent, you have to be a robot for 22 kids. It's like that that would, it's just created, teachers aren't paid enough to deal with all that. Put that on top of what you actually do. And you're just kind of like, Oh, my God, that's a lot with your kids on your own, that you got to deal with your own child issues. You just like this? It's a lot.
Chuck Shute:Definitely. Yeah, it's it's tough out there. I agree with you, though. Just if we can all be better humans. I think that would be a but I think too, it's like awareness and training on all these things. Like, how to deal with police how to recognize signs of, you know, somebody that could potentially be a mass shooter, like, what was the one where the girl, the guy texted some girl randomly, and said, like, I'm gonna do it and sent a picture of like, a bunch of guns, and she was just confused. She's like, Oh, what's going on? And then it's like, if we could train people on every citizen to know that kind of thing. To report that immediately, we could prevent a lot of this that idea.
John Guarnieri:Well, you feel you'd be like, Oh, this kid have a journal. And his parents like I never do. He wrote all this stuff. I never saw the sides. Well, you never hope you never took interest your kid. Soon as he got home, he locked the door, and he played Grand Theft Auto, which I'm not knocking video games. But I play that game. Like you just do all that stuff, where you just kind of like, what do I honestly think like, I lost my training, I don't obviously super like you could be like, if you're with a group of four or five people, for a whole year, you're gonna deal with having a good or a bad day. Whether you're feeling whether it's weather issue at home, they're sick, whatever it is, if I'm a parent yet, it's so I don't know what it's like to actually have a kid per se. But I do watch a lot of kids, people that act like children. It's so I very perceptive to what's going on. It's like, we just have to be more observant, like if it's a co worker, if you're that co worker is always laughing, having a great time. Because when people ask, but use those to change it here, it'd be baby babies. Next, Rob Williams, we have all this happy, happy, happy and do the saddest person, like with no one's will saw him it was like, Oh, they're like, I have no idea. Or he was so hurting or he was sick. Or it's just, I don't know, like we maybe it's easy to not say those things. Maybe it's I you and I go to bed like you know what, I'll talk to you tomorrow. Well, if that person is making dinner tomorrow, because you're talking to right people. And so I think if we just be good humans empathetic towards people and just watch, like, get off your phone when you go to cross the street. Like just the world is happening so fast. Just stay present where you are, and just be alert to everything. Yeah,
Chuck Shute:I mean, we're so connected with social media and all that. But it also makes us more disconnected. Because people aren't out into the real world as much. And like, I mean, I remember when I was a kid, like, everybody we knew all are neighbors. Like I feel like now I don't know any of my neighbors. It's like, I never see him like it's weird.
John Guarnieri:I come home from tour. I mean, I've only been home this year for work, maybe, maybe 12 days so far. But I'll come over they do what I do they hang out or talk shoot the shit in the backyard grass, or it's like people are aware that that's why I love living in small town because everyone knows. It's almost like cheers. Everyone knows your Dave and stuff like that. But I'm fortunate to have that but maybe if I didn't have that it'd be tougher. What I do know it's those little things very interesting. I like the fact that people know you know, your family. It's a very, it's like, hey, there's some weird car parked off road or hey, do you hear this? She was
Chuck Shute:saying is the song is true. There's the tribe and the small town. There's a little bit of truth to that, that. Yeah, people are more connected in a small town. They are. I love it. Yeah, that's interesting. I was gonna ask you to I don't know. I don't know if you can comment on this. But what was your thoughts on Did you know The chef that died? That was Obama Chef, what did you work with him? Was
John Guarnieri:Yeah, he was kind of after he I left. But I do have him the whole thing is very weird. Just the way the media put out. They do how old the guy was and sort of traits but that who it was or his name. And then it wasn't until I just the way that the press release came on is super weird. How do you that how do you know the age of somewhere but don't know who they are? Or like it's just like what it but the circumstances the guys does triathlons pro athletes with loses life of the whole ocean. And he drowns in four feet of water on a paddleboard, like it just I'm just like what I mean stuff straight people could drown in a bathtub I guess. So what happens but I'm just like, it just seems super weird that we that the situation maybe per se just how the media we went from body found out Obama property to 37 year old still tried to identify? Well, how can you know hold these identify the neighbor next of kin? It's just weird. We went back and read all these news articles yesterday, I was like, all these press releases were super weird.
Chuck Shute:That's interesting coming from I mean, you would have a more? Yeah, it just opinion. Yeah, they give it's I have a whole thing for the media. Just the whole Yeah, it is interesting. It's hard to sort through, there's so much you know, media now there's all sides. It's still it's like are these dumb? And then people and it's funny things people with like hundreds of 1000s of followers will tweet something and it will just be like a statement. And people will believe it and always like go googling goes it's a real articles. It's a real story. And some of the times it's not. And I'm like, and people are believing it and they don't know, the bunk. It's really
John Guarnieri:the use of like, I went from joy needs to I'm not sure if this was news article or an actual beam. You throw this new AI stuff. You don't know what's really more. It's just so fascinating. Ya know, it's wild times.
Chuck Shute:What's interesting, too, because I just I love to learn though, and I love to investigate things. And I love going down the rabbit hole. But yeah, you just got to make sure what you're reading is true there. Is there any truth to this is this like, you know, conspiracy that is it. You know, but some of the conspiracies that I thought were conspiracies have become true. So then you're right. Maybe this is just predicting what's going to be the real truth. Yeah.
John Guarnieri:In the meantime, those UFO stuff coming out. We're just so blindsided by everything else going on the world, that you just throw it out the UFO stuff like it's nothing. Yeah, and
Chuck Shute:you can you can't you can't comment on any UFO stuff you saw? No, I'd be.
John Guarnieri:I'd be I have friends people like Steven. Dr. Steven Greer. Yeah, you have on your show, right? Yeah, he's a good dude. And so if watch his latest documentary or that like consciousness, and his whole thing right now is like there this technology has been around forever. We've had it. We've been using it. And this will allow the whistleblowers coming forward. Now. I don't know if you follow the Shawn Ryan podcast, former CIA, former Navy SEAL, I believe. But he's been having a lot of these government whistleblowers on his podcast lately, whether it's UFOs, or different war stuff, or just some stuff, and we know what our last 30 years when it happened. People blow the lid on some of the stuff. It's so fascinating.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, no, I would be definitely very fascinated to listen to any of that stuff. Or the JFK stuff. I think it's
John Guarnieri:f k Bigfoot. I mean, the whole it just it every year, it seems like more people want to debunk like 911 stuff, or any event has happened the last 30 years. I feel like someone's gonna question it. It may be maybe we should question everything. I'm okay with that. But let's just be sensitive to the fact that people have lost their lives to stuff and how do we kind of I mean, how do you how do you know what's real or not? That'd be what's factor fiction is like, it's so blurred now. It's like, you like look at Senate numbers. You could look you could take those divers and go a complete different direction. I would go with those numbers. Maybe you look at the numbers, I will get the W artherr. Like, that's how we figure out like, so I'm just like, how do we normal people the middle, just trying to figure out life just got a sore throat was bullshit.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, well, I think part of it is maybe like, you know, like I just do for fun, but I try not to get too wrapped up in stress, because you could really stress yourself out. Think of government's shit to like realizing, like what the AI and everything I mean, that stuff's here's a show me.
John Guarnieri:Yeah. It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. It's it's like the Wild West and social media right now.
Chuck Shute:Absolutely. Well, yeah. And you. So you do you do three podcasts now?
John Guarnieri:Or? Yeah, so I do three. The main one, I do spear talk, which is security related. Actors, authors, conservationists, lawyers, psychologists. Basically any type of genre want to cover kind of the security world are coming from my lot of questions come from my world asking them about the stuff they do. That's that's been doing amazing. Yeah, you've had some good guests.
Chuck Shute:I just had the guy that the real Donnie Brasco that, well,
John Guarnieri:I've got a bunch of great, we've got Erin Brockovich coming out of Boston and a bunch of other actors. So it's like, for me, it's it's therapeutic because it kind of breaks up what I normally do. It gives me time to episodes of Star that the pandemic. I've read more books. I think as a kid, I've always loved reading. But as you get you get too busy for reading, right? And so for me, this gives me a reason to read the book now. read your biography read the research on certain topics, whether it's wildlife conservation cartels, the ivory, the ivory tusks, or the history of the Second Amendment rights, why we have stuff like that, where it's like now we can just do like these deep dives into certain subject matter. I normally read about now I do just to research episodes. It's a blast. Yeah, I'm actually enjoying love reading, again,
Chuck Shute:is with the ivory tusk. Is that one of the biggest conservation issues that you
John Guarnieri:Oh, I think I would say this in terms of conservation. It's, it's a part of it. My friends like Sea Shepherd, or the earth League, international Adria, Crosta. He's been involved in a couple of movies. One definitely is called the average game, which is obviously about the poaching system, or the cartels with the advertisers in Africa. He's also part of sea of shadows which have at Sea Shepherd, the basically twofold thing protecting the aikido Makita in the Sea of Cortez, the super rare fish is being harvested. I think for its gallbladder something oddly specific where the Chinese cartels and mafia will pay billions of dollars billions, billions a year just for a specific body part. So the basic details of our harvesting have always creatures, but Earth think is evolved with all these different animals, whether it's a cheetah, the leopard, certain owls, lizards, just as crazy stuff where it's like all these angel or angels, these animals are being trafficked. Yeah, well, I
Chuck Shute:think it's sharks one of them too, because I think shark finning.
John Guarnieri:I mean, you look at the Wuhan dog festival in China kills all these dogs every year, which is just disgusting or black.
Chuck Shute:Do they kill the dogs just to eat them? Or what? Yeah, it's
John Guarnieri:the Wuhan dog. The U haul. I think dog festival is a yearly festival in China. That kills 1000s of dogs. We're talking like German shepherds to old fevers. It's you can if you go on YouTube or Google it, it will tell about the history of this that culturally while they do it, it's the animals in cages being cooked alive. It's just the most savage, barbaric stuff. It's like, there's like why I Fred's are always on the frontlines tried to adopt these dogs and stop it, but with the way different cultures are, you're kind of like, Oh, God, it's like the bullfights spade or the road or the balls were culturally, there. It's like you and I take the dog for a walk. But we look at going, why is to have the ball or why you kill these cows just to kill off. And so it's tough to kind of stuck with that stuff. But I mean, the whole conservation and wildlife it's, it's super fast to be because it's happening every day. There are Texas last year, so somebody was sneaking in chimpanzees, with Mexican cartels until like Texas, like all these weird animals and stuff. And then you will know that rabbit hole that it goes to the basal species and stuff has happened in Florida, the Everglades with people at their steaks out, or all this stuff where the ecosystem is being destroyed. Because all these non native animals are eating and killing. We're getting pretty bacteria and everything. And
Chuck Shute:yeah, you have the alligator. I think. Frank Rob Yeah, talking about how he'd find these alligators. And he said, a lot of them were drug houses that people get an alligator to like, I don't want to be gone
John Guarnieri:to the cocaine. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. And then so some of the animals that were like date have to like Florida, they develop with this bacteria, whether somebody like COVID or bacteria that it would get the data species life about or kill them. So our prank Rob is awesome, because like, how vital alligators are to the ecosystem of Florida, the world. It's like we're also closely connected. And like, if that equilibrium ever bounces away, it's like, we're all affected by it. He was in animals.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, that's an interesting, that's for sure. That's an interesting thing. That's and that is a good thing that there's a lot of these documentaries and podcasts that where we can shine a light on it,
John Guarnieri:I would sell such documentary rabbit hole with a pandemic, I just, I really, from how these toys are made to animal trafficking to just anything about history of the mafia to it just I grew up as a kid like we always had to read those books. Like I never watched PBS or that stuff as a kid. I wouldn't want even allowed to watch TV really. But now as an adult, I watched it hotel room. I'll probably watch you documentaries tonight. About subject matter I don't even know nothing about whether it's performance enhancing drugs or whatever those particular I was like, This is so fascinating to learn to stop for two hours, as opposed to be going to like a library taking books or video.
Chuck Shute:Right. Have you seen the new one on Netflix about the new pyramid they found in Egypt? Yeah, it's in my queue. It's like to really you should probably I tried to get the director on and he's like, yeah, let me talk to the Netflix guys and he blew me off but you can probably get him. You should have him on he that was
John Guarnieri:you could do deficit with me. If I go,
Chuck Shute:okay, yeah, you had because you had what? You have another guy. I think that's how I found you initially was Harry Turner. I was.
John Guarnieri:Yeah. Harry Turner is a good friend of you reach out to you gotta have him. I tried.
Chuck Shute:Yeah. Somebody told me about his documentary. So I reached out I, I looked up his name, and I saw you did your show. And then I was like, Oh, cool. And then I saw it. That's all I've done. If I'm Frank, Rob, and Frank said, Yes, but Harry hasn't responded.
John Guarnieri:Is Harry story's amazing. That's actually the charity. I'm really looking forward to like helping out with emerald dark. Okay, I'll put that in the show notes. Yeah, so his organization, even though Harry Turner, it's on Amazon Prime. It's called Wildcat. And it basically details his journey dealing with PTSD for the British soldier, the horrors of World War Two living in Ecuador and helping raise two orphaned oscillates. And it's like the most harrowing, like, try outfit like just, it's just you'll, you'll laugh, you'll cry. It's a super powerful document. I can't recommend it enough. It's so I just saw him recently, he lives out the Washington area. Or Washington, Washington State. Oh, that's right. He's gonna he started his new organization that emerald arch is basically going to start he wants to buy all this led down that South America where animals habitat can be protected for poachers. It actually evolved like veterans and stuff to help with their PTSD and stuff. To kind of help where the animals and kind of just find a purpose. Can we watch the whole movie? You realize like seeing someone struggling to find their purpose? They haven't even find it. He just got married. Like Harry's super rad like he's, he's awesome.
Chuck Shute:That's cool. Yeah, off the chat. I haven't seen the movie yet. But I just had a friend tell me about I definitely want to and I love that whole story. I read a story about that. Yeah, just finding a purpose. I think that goes back to the whole depression thing. I think that's why depressed is because they lose their purpose. And then they're like, they do
John Guarnieri:stupid stuff. Yeah, she's the drug. And she said, dragging this. It's only gonna go away the death and see, when the document with wild cat so good. Like, you'll see this footage of there, where he's kind of himself, because he just can't deal with the stress of like, the combat. He's suffered like the loss of an animal with his broken home or like go through a terrible personal relationship in life and stay hippie trail Feds hanging out with him in person. It's like the, it's like the coolest, why the coolest people I've met in a long time where I'm just like, I got super like goosebumps around him. Yeah, it's just a very historic, so unique and powerful that even if you are a soldier, a former military or people that deal with suicidal thoughts, or not knowing what their purpose is, like, could really pull something from this. I was blown away. He's an incredible human being.
Chuck Shute:That's amazing. I definitely have to check that out. I do agree to like with veterans, and PTSD having an animal can I know my brother was in the military, and he got a dog. And I feel like it really helped him a lot. I mean, yeah. So yeah, I think that's cool. Well, thanks so much for doing this. I'll put the website you have a website that just your own website, or
John Guarnieri:Yeah, I usually just put my YouTube channels. Talk about podcasts, because I'll put that I'll put
Chuck Shute:that in the show notes along with the charity. And yeah, we'll be in touch. Thanks so much. Awesome. Thank you, sir.
John Guarnieri:All right. Bye, John.
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