Dee Snider (Twisted Sister)

Episode 157 - Dee Snider!!!! This one was a bit surreal for me!!! Besides singing in Twisted Sister, Dee has also made appearances in Pee Wee’s Big Adventure, Private Parts, Cobra Kai and many more. He has a new solo album coming out on July 30th called “Leave a Scar” that is available for pre-order now.  Dee has some great stories to tell about Cobra Kai, Skid Row, his comeback, censorship and so much more! You don’t want to miss this episode! 

00:00 - Intro
01:22 - Welcome Dee!! 
02:06 - Cobra Kai 
03:38 - Inspiration for New Record "Leave a Scar" 
06:15 - Live Shows & Livestream Event 
08:02 - "Time to Choose" with Corpse Grinder 
09:32 - Bringing People Joy 
11:17 - Wanting to be a Rockstar & Joining Twisted Sister
13:33 - Projects After Twisted Sister & The Comeback 
17:50 - Advising & Counseling Skid Row 
20:55 - How Dee Handles Feuds 
22:11 - Dee Being an Asshole in the 80s & Decisions 
25:13 - Dee's Favorite Cameo 
27:08 - Censorship 
29:50 - Homeless Veterans & Melissa's Wish
31:45 - Wrap Up 

Dee Snider website:
https://deesnider.com

Dee Snider livestream:
https://www.metaldepartment.com/dee-snider/?v=7516fd43adaa

National Coalition for Homeless Veterans:
https://nchv.org

Melissa's Wish website:
https://www.melissaswish.org

Chuck Shute website:
http://chuckshute.com

Transcript

Chuck Shute: 0:14

Well, here we go D fuckin Snyder, it only took 157 episodes to get him. But he is here today. And it's a little surreal to have him on metal show. I remember as a kid seeing his music videos that are obviously legendary. But I also really loved when he stood up to politicians who wanted to censor music in the 80s. And now that censorship is back, I'm glad Dee is still here to talk about it. And he also has a new record coming out on July 30, called leave a scar. And if you're listening to this after July 30, and it's already out, otherwise, you can pre order the deluxe wooden version now. And this was a really fun interview with Dee, because he's such an entertainer, and he's a singer, but he also acts and just radio so he knows how to tell stories. And I love his energy. He made me laugh a lot. He's very genuine and real. And I think that's why he's still around today and making music and doing TV appearances and the radio show and all the other stuff that he does because he's so entertaining. He's so genuine and likeable. So here it is. Without further ado, my interview with one of my heroes. Dee Snider welcome D. Fucking sir. I can swear on this is great. How are you doing? I'm doing fucking great. So we have a mutual connection. Jim Kaufman. He is your vocal coach. And he was a guest on my show

Unknown: 1:36

when Jim Coplin is my engineer. Is that what you call? I thought he said he was a vocal coach. I thought that was no

DEE SNIDER: 1:43

okay. Jim Kaufman Yeah, Gottman is a recording engineer recorded my vocals for leave a scar.

Chuck Shute: 1:51

Okay, yeah. Okay, maybe I just call it the wrong thing. Sorry. But yeah,

DEE SNIDER: 1:56

here we go. I do all my all my tracks at his house out here on the west coast. And yeah, we do a lot of work together.

Chuck Shute: 2:03

That's so good. He said that you show up one time and you had your Cobra Kai jacket on?

DEE SNIDER: 2:08

Yes, that is so awesome. I'm the envy of so many walking down the street. Fortunately, I'm big and I'm tough because I'm sure if I wasn't somebody would steal it from me.

Chuck Shute: 2:19

Is it the red? Is it a red one? It's got the like the logo and everything.

DEE SNIDER: 2:22

No, no, it's it's, it's black. And it says hit first. Whatever.

Chuck Shute: 2:28

What is the strike first strike hard. No mercy.

DEE SNIDER: 2:31

Yeah. Okay, look back at the Cobra Kai logo on the front. But it's reversible. And it's a Miyagi, Miyagi dough. Cut jacket on the other side. Oh, wow.

Chuck Shute: 2:43

I'd really lucky

DEE SNIDER: 2:43

though jacket is is first of all, it's Paige. And Bokova jacket is black. And somehow in many ways the Miyagi dough has become almost the bad guy here right? Yeah. Which was what I think what is so clever about the show, yes, flips the script. And you come to understand Johnny Lawrence, and see how he is became who he is. And A Series of Unfortunate Events limited stick Snicket. But he became you know, that he's not a bad guy. And that the power went to went to what's his name's head Danny's head. And he became, you know, kind of an asshole. Yeah. Oh, so so this is definitely flipped the script.

Chuck Shute: 3:31

Yeah. No, that's that's that's right. So that's a great tangent to get I love Cobra Kai is a great show. But for you, so your album, your last album for the love of metal. You wanted to end on a high note, but then 2020 happens. So now we got this new record, leave a scar. And it's produced by Jamey JASTA. Who's singer Hey breed, right? Yeah, yeah. So tell us about I mean, I've heard a couple of the songs are available now and there's a you know, silent battles. That one's about depression. The song she is about that's about your wife. And then yeah, the song I got a rock again. You say now when I got a rock I survived Be advised gonna rock till I die. So it sounds like you're never going to retire. Well, I had a lot of realization. You know, I'll get rid of this talk. I can't chew gum and talk. I thought you would notice we're gonna radio isn't this like, Oh,

DEE SNIDER: 4:24

yeah, no. Yeah. Yeah, so I really thought that I was retired and then the state of the world you know, basically the world shit the bed on every level. That's a good way to say it. Yeah. And, and, and I realized that I am one of those voices for the voice less, that over the years I've positioned myself as being that outspoken guy who can say and will say what others won't. And so just because I'm very content and Blessed and living happily ever after, after, you know, I've been through a lot of shit. But I got to say a really good place right now doesn't mean that everybody is and that people don't need the Snyder to speak up. So I had true inspiration to bring me back to the process. And also, I got to rock again was this odd moment in the middle of COVID where that thought just popped in my head, I got a rock again. And I chuckled because a very Dee Snider title, the guy who brought you badboys of rock and roll, you can't stop rock and roll, I want to rock I believe in rock and roll and on and on and on and on. You know, I got a rock again. Okay, so I said, but and I said, but how many people are feeling that exact thought right now? That same like, Oh my god, you know, we this is like the second season of festivals that and concerts that have been shut down. The stadium tour has been canceled for another year. Mm hmm. You know, we'll all those participants still be alive next year. Who knows? But uh, but I just it was a real realization song. And I was speaking not just for myself, but on behalf of others as well.

Chuck Shute: 6:13

Yeah. So then are you going to tour for off this record? Are you waiting until things settle down with COVID and stuff? because like you said, This year's festivals are all canceled. So

DEE SNIDER: 6:22

yeah, this is some erratic, you may see a singular show here or there. And Joe, I'm doing Matter of fact, I'm doing a live stream event for a live audience. tested and vaccinated. 1000 strong, it's going to be on the 29th. And pretty excited. It's the day before the release of the new album, right playing new music, old music and my first show in two years. So that's you go to metal, metal department, that TV, metal department that TV, okay. But I'm sure if you just if you just Google Search D live feed 29th. And then if you can't watch the 29th it will repeat for some time afterwards. I hope people check it out if you want to go on some live and enjoy it. And I'm sure you're gonna be very stoked. Yeah, I just, I did a show with them. Something called kings of chaos. It's an old story. And we did want to in New Mexico, and it was it was joyous. That's the only way I can describe it. The band. We were the we were just like, I can't believe we're back playing and and the audience of people who were there because it was limited was outdoors. But still people were just so happy rocking, you know. So if you got to rock again, check that out. But as far as touring, I think we'll be back to the new- whether it's a new normal- where we're at with the vaccines or whatever, but it'll be behind us by 2022. And I think that's when festivals will open. And I figure that the non vaccinated will probably die off. So we'll be rocking. I'm cool with that. Vaccinated people - hey, it's your choice- I support your choice.

Chuck Shute: 8:03

Well, that's not one of the songs time to choose. We're on the new record and you got George I love this corpse grinder is his middle name fisher of Cannibal Corpse. This is a cool duet like this is heavy stuff.

DEE SNIDER: 8:15

Yeah, it's and people were starting with personal my idea. He's a death metal singer. And, and I didn't realize it. Nobody from my world, from the heritage Rockers, classic, whatever you want to call us. Old school. They don't even acknowledge death metal singing, and if they do, it's to market. My peers. You make fun of it. That's not singing. That's Cookie Monster. You know, I thanks to my kids and connected to all the metal communities, and appreciate and respect all the whole family of metal. And so I had the idea that would be a it's a heavy song, bring him in on it. But Jamie Johnston was stunned. When I said George Fisher. He was like, like, like he thought maybe I knew somebody from the 70s named George. George. You know, corpse grinder. So yeah, it's very heavy, very aggressive. But I didn't realize that nobody from my side reaches across the aisle so to speak. And I'm glad I did because I had somebody that day said, you know, I'm not a fan of that same kind of singing, but it's kind of cool on your song. You know, like so a you know, there's there's room for all of us in this world know?

Chuck Shute: 9:31

Yeah, for sure. Do you ever feel kind of like Santa Claus, like reaching out to these guys and saying, hey, you want to see on my record? I mean, it must be surreal for me. It's surreal for me talking to you right now. Like, you feel like you're just bringing people so much joy. That's gonna be one of the best things about your fame. Apparently I am.

DEE SNIDER: 9:48

I mean, you know, you go back to me reach out to Lizzy Hale to do that to wet with me on the Christmas song. And she was stunned. I mean, I I have Yeah, I've seen I hung out with the parents and one of your shows, and I know that she was raised on on the old school stuff. But she like was like, This is real shock. George apparently George corpse grinder. corpse grinder got emotional. Apparently like he couldn't he's, it turns out he's a fan, of course and he was stunned. He couldn't believe that's, you know, so I think we need more of that. Yeah or more of that community. more of that sense of family in the middle and less of this. That's not metal. This is metal. That's black metal. This is hair metal. That's pop metal. This is done. It's a dysfunctional family. And yes, some of the uncles are a little weird. But it's still blood. We all come from the same bloodline.

Chuck Shute: 10:45

Absolutely. Yeah. So your story is I mean, we don't have time to go over your whole life story and people should read your book, but I do find your family have

DEE SNIDER: 10:52

more time than you think. Oh, okay. to the bottom of the hour.

Chuck Shute: 10:55

Yeah, cuz I the bottom of the hour or the half hour?

DEE SNIDER: 10:58

Bottom of the bottom of the half. Okay. Half hour. Yeah. Okay. That's what I thought. Yeah, for the hour bottom.

Chuck Shute: 11:04

Yeah, I heard you say that. They give you these 10 minute breaks, you know, I don't need a fucking break. And I was like, that's cool. Let me take a nap. I see my lipstick. What am I doing? roll into the next one. So back in the early days, you're working at this loading dock and you tell everyone i'm going to be a rock star. And then you join Twisted Sister but it was like you were kind of cocky. But then you said when you join Twisted Sister, you felt like the outcast? Like they were the cool kids and you weren't cool. How does that work?

DEE SNIDER: 11:32

How that works is? Yeah, first of all, let's I don't know if telling the world you're going to be a rock star when you're not even close. is great self motivation. Yeah. Or like the stupidest thing you could do in the world. Because I literally, like the guy's I was on the loading dock. Like we're planning like a career in working in the department store. And I was like, I want to be a rock star. So that became a my nickname. Be the writer. You hear this? Rock Star oil three, some kid threw up? Like I would get like, I became a joke as the rock star. That was my nickname. Yeah, but I showed them. Yeah, for sure. When I joined Twisted Sister. Yeah, I mean, I, I approached them. And I was like, like, you need me. And when and and when they I got in the band. I was like, full of like, like, piss and vinegar. But I was full of myself. But then quickly, I realized that I was like, the low man on the totem pole, that the band. The guys that were there were older than me. They were longtime friends. They grew up together and stuff. They were from the city from the Bronx from Manhattan. I was from Long Island. And, and I was a dork. And they were like these cool guys. And suddenly I got like, demoted. And it was it was real tough. Like to sort of like, you know, pick me up pick myself up by my own bootstraps, so to speak. And like, like, say, I'm not gonna allow that to decide define who I am. Because they think they're cooler than me. Or you know what? Hey, I was a dork. And, but I but I didn't let that be stopped me from you know, taking over the entire band and, and controlling everything.

Chuck Shute: 13:31

Well, yeah, and then obviously, everyone knows the success twisted sisters had I mean, that's, you know, the music videos, the albums, the concerts, it's legendary. But then the fascinating part to me is that so when the band you know, they break up the first time was there any I know that you went through some troubles? Was there any other like musical projects on the horizon? Like, it kind of reminds me of like, when Mark Hamill had that gap from Star Wars into like, now he does voiceover work and stuff. Like I always think wasn't there somebody reaching out to him wanting to do movies and TV? Was there any other musical people that reached out and said, Hey, do you want to get another band together?

DEE SNIDER: 14:06

Well, after twisted I formed Desperado, and this brought Oh, God had was a there's a bidding war. This was 8687 87 Okay, and so there's a bidding war and it was big money. And it was gonna be like, you know, I the drummer was original drummer for iron main kleiber recipes. Brony tour May was the first right yeah, place. Randy rose in Ozzy's band rested piece that dropping like fries I tell you, anyway, and so it was a big deal. But then that record got shelved in a political battle within the right company. I moved on to Widowmaker Widowmaker. Now, I was doing getting indie deals, and there's no real money in them. But I do a couple Widowmaker rounds and they fail. Then I get the notice one day it was delivered by messenger. It said we're not doing what you're doing anymore. We don't sing like you write songs like you perform like you, we don't look like you. Nobody is interested in what you do. That's practically wasn't announcement when grunge yet. And so that's when I stopped writing. That's when I started looking to pursue other avenues. But none of them came up to me. Other than I did get an agent who liked hearing my voice on Howard Stern, and said you could do voiceover so I started to pursue that

Chuck Shute: 15:32

and didn't have a certain help recognize your voice talent encourage you to do the career in

DEE SNIDER: 15:36

radio. He Yeah, he champion me in such a big way. He was so that he was the first person that recognized that I had value outside of twisted. And when I I always, you know, people hurt me on the radio said you'll be great radio. But I found out that you couldn't just go get a big radio show. You had to start at the bottom and 25 years ago, I started with like a heavy metal show on Sunday nights tend to midnight, on a little station on Long Island. But now I've been doing radio for 25 years. So people didn't pursue me. I had to go after them and always always had to prove myself it's I've always doubted that I that I had a song prove me wrong. because nobody's want to believe that I could do radio, I could do TV. I could act. I could do movies. I could write screenplays, I write books. I'm always having to prove myself. But I guess that's just my lot.

Chuck Shute: 16:26

So what point like after the you declared bankruptcy in the band broke up and you were on your land was like your lowest point. At what point do you feel like, Okay, I'm back. Like, maybe not necessarily Twisted Sister back. But like, I'm back. I'm doing good things, you know, the radio shows, because I think at first you started the radio was like at 10 to midnight or something and you had to take the shit shift. And then obviously, you grow all that stuff into successful things.

DEE SNIDER: 16:47

Yeah, you know, it started. The voiceover career started to kick in. And then the radio career I got a syndicated show House of hair, which is been on 25 years now. But then all of a sudden, I got a morning radio gig in a major market. And suddenly, I'm the voice of msnbc. And I'm not doing music, but I'm making huge money doing radio and voiceover work. And I'm back baby.

Chuck Shute: 17:17

Yeah, I've

DEE SNIDER: 17:18

got you know, and then Celine Dion records my wife's Christmas song. And and that sells, you know, while it's at 14 million copies worldwide now, this is the house seen saline built by the way. Don't ever speak ill of Celine Dion in my presence. So all of a sudden, all these other avenues that I've been pushing, I made it strange land kits made. And, you know, so and then that. Yeah, you're back. Maybe I back. Everything else, right.

Chuck Shute: 17:48

So then I like this that you cut, you advise all these bands in the 90s like lit and biohazard and Guster, you know, to parlay things didn't don't just stick to music, you know, parlay that success into other things. And also didn't you kind of help advise Skid Row to go heavier on their second album was slave to the grind instead of going to pop your direction?

DEE SNIDER: 18:08

Yeah, I did. Not that they, you know, I just, I had made the big mistake with twisted, of coming out with a lead track that was poppier, not realizing that the core audience of Twisted Sister now that we've crossed over and become a commercial success, the core audience was questioning our credibility. And we should have come back like a sledgehammer, instead of came out with leader of the pack. And I tried to go and appeal, you know, to everybody. And that was a mistake. So I was friends had become friends with the skid row guys. And I was counseling them. And I said, your last single was, I remember you amazing record. But it was a ballot. I said, and right now, whether you know it or not, your fans are going, are they still metal? I said, you got to come out hard. And they came out with slave to the grind, followed by monkey business, and had a hugely successful record and secure their position until you know, Sebastian, and they broke up about smashing left, but at the same time, that was sage advice. I you know, I mean, nobody ever gave twisted a hand up. And I didn't want to be those guys. There are a lot of people that feel like, Hey, I paid my dues. So you pay your dues, you know, stumble around in the dark like an asshole for a while. No. You know, if you if you get advice, give somebody a piece of advice. It'll guide them, help them lift them up. It's kind of my mo

Chuck Shute: 19:37

Yeah, that's really cool. Do you think that you talk about counseling Skid Row? Do you think you could mediate some sort of reunion with Sebastian then you're friends with all those guys. Right?

DEE SNIDER: 19:45

I was wondering about that...because... I remembered that I kind of counseled them through the making of the second record that Sebastian was already getting a little... I'm friends with both sides, but Sebastian got a little difficult. I remember he was at my house. And he's staying with me, and he wouldn't answer the phone, he would only respond to faxes. So the band would have to first of all, let you know where he was. So I have to find out where he was in order to get them a fax. And then they'd have to fax him a message that he respond to otherwise he wouldn't, he wouldn't talk to them. And so I try to.... like, dude, that's not gonna work. Yeah. And, and so I kind of counseled both sides, and help them get there. And they thanked me in the credits. So, but yeah, but unfortunately, that didn't last forever. I mean, I love Sebastian, and we're really good friends. I'm probably closer with him than the rest of the rest of the band. But still, we're lead singers. We're front men, we're damaged. We can't be difficult.

Chuck Shute: 20:55

I love that. Well, you've had some infamous feuds over the years. I just thought read something the other day about the feud with crocus, Mr. Mr. Paul Stanley. JJ told me last week, there was a feud with Tom werman. So how do you handle those kinds of things at this point in your career, like, do you try and reach out and squash those things? Do you just let it go and not think about it? Or do you still hold a grudge and use that to motivate you?

DEE SNIDER: 21:19

I use my platform to speak of them. And then I did them. respond, can't respond.

Chuck Shute: 21:29

That is a great answer.

DEE SNIDER: 21:30

I talk and I get I get all his friends do. And then they say, Well, no, I no reaction. I don't retweet it. I don't acknowledge it. I pretend doesn't happen. I mute it. And and then they get no, I don't give him any more juice than that. Because for a lot of them, it's become their claim to fame. It's all they got is is that Dee Snider said something like, you know, because their careers are like in the shitter. So you know, Mister Mister who so who's What the fuck is it? That was a band? Yeah, it was actually a band.

Chuck Shute: 22:08

Oh, this is gold. Man. This is great stuff. So you had a feud with JJ. And then you guys, you squashed it he's gonna write about in the book. I haven't read the books on out yet. But you said you went on record as saying you weren't a nice guy in the 80s. You were kind of narcissistic. So what changed? Like, was it you? Were you humbled after the band broke up and everything ended?

DEE SNIDER: 22:27

Or was me? When did I ever say I'm only kind of narcissists. I never used that adjective to qualify it.

Chuck Shute: 22:36

I'm sorry, you were totally narcissistic,

DEE SNIDER: 22:38

totally narcissistic, total asshole. I was I made people miserable. And I and I realize it and retrospectively I feel terrible about it, you know, because the people who, you know, my band, my wife, my family members, I mean, people who love me the most, and were there for me the most. And I made them miserable in the 80s. I was a dick, but I feel better now. And I've tried to make amends like an alcoholic. And I think I have my wife, my wife still with me, and forgives me. She says, the Encore is great. She says, Yeah, of course. Great.

Chuck Shute: 23:15

That's amazing. She stuck with you during those tough times.

DEE SNIDER: 23:19

Unbelievable. I mean, I nearly fucked it up a bunch of times. And, and that's the thing that's amazing about having a person like Suzette in your life is, you know, I met her when I was nothing. She was with me and supported, you know, costumes, makeup hair, the bone logo, I just pointed the originals on the wall over there love. Yeah, and all Suzette, and then I just turned into a complete asshole and made her life miserable. And we went through tough times. But somehow we made it together, then I lost everything. And I did it just to show you I didn't think for a second that she will leave me. And there was never a thought in her mind. She just went back to work. In a salon. She'd never worked in a salon before, but she did hair. So she said, Okay, I can work and while we figure this out. And so she has always been there for me through thick and thin. And and you've

Chuck Shute: 24:10

been there too. You didn't you didn't leave her when you got famous or anything?

DEE SNIDER: 24:14

No, I mean, you know, and I made a handful of very wise decisions I made. And one was you find the one. And even though you know it precluded me from from partaking in some of the joys of rock stardom. You know, I may have given that up. But as a result, I've got a 45 year relationship, a person who I trust and who's by my side through it all, you know, as soon as somebody was asking me before, you know, it was a time where I was flat broke and I said nobody's buying what I'm selling. I'm starting over completely and I'm married. I have three kids, but I have created such an oasis. That as terrible as things were in my business life. I'd come home and it was just nothing but joy. in a rented house with his kids and his wife will these people will love me so these were wise choices. I made that thankfully because I made some bad ones too.

Chuck Shute: 25:10

Absolutely. Well, I mean, you've done so much movie and TV or to the cameos. I love this like howard stern movie Pee Wee's Big Adventure Cobra Kai, is there one that's your favorite? Is there one that sticks out to you is one of your favorites.

DEE SNIDER: 25:23

Hmm. I well, Cobra Kai. I mean, that was awesome. I mean, it'll be on my tombstone. Here lies. The Snyder, the most badass rocker ever. Johnny Lawrence. I mean, to be proclaimed that that's pretty cool to show that it's 75 million people's view it so far around the world. I mean, it was a prank. It was unbelievable. And I just spoke in front a 97th graders about censorship. But that was there because they knew me from Cobra Kai. That is awesome. Yeah, like, all of a sudden, there's this renewed eye of the eye. It's like a calling card with a whole new generation. And the show happened. I think I told you, or maybe I didn't, because I've been doing so many interviews. And a lot of people asked me about this. That literally, I became friends with Johnny, which I learned with, with Billy zabka. Yeah, doing conventions. And the show was even big. He told me how we got picked up by Netflix. They're gonna release a series like Grey's will do a cameo on the new I'm like, cool. And I know Ralph, so it was just like, Hey, this is fun. You know? I

Chuck Shute: 26:32

yeah,

DEE SNIDER: 26:33

I don't tell don't tell Ralph or Billy. I'd never seen an episode. Really. Until I was on the show. I said, Alright. I'm talking to Billy. And he's assuming I got the I didn't know what Miguel was. I know what he's doing a kid in a wheelchair, what the f. But like, what kind of show is and I said, Honey, we got to binge watch this thing before they air because I don't have the heart to tell anybody that I've never seen the show. But it was Billy's a friend and a friend are like, hey, I want to be on this. Great. Cool. That's awesome. So

Chuck Shute: 27:05

yeah, you said you spoke about censorship so that we got to talk about that because that's like, I was like a little kid. I saw you speaking in front of the the politicians and I was like, that is fucking awesome. So it's I feel like it's come back full circle. Now. It's like censorship is a thing. Now I was like, didn't we settle this in the 80s? With Dee Snider wise stuff being cancelled. Explain this. On this note.

DEE SNIDER: 27:27

gonna have to end the interview. Okay. But no, no, We're because I gotta move on. Oh, sorry. Yeah, we know we have time. I told you. At the bottom of the hours. We have few minutes. So censorship has always existed. Yeah, just people got to understand that it's never gone away. It's just the first time somebody said or did something. Somebody else said, You can't do that. Okay, trust me. There's always and it goes back throughout time. creatives, artists, people have pushed back on censorship and try to push the boundaries. And the people who were behind censorship used to be very puritanical. They like would give an inch and they get it you can't go here and then the creative kept pushing, kept pushing, kept pushing. That's our job is to be creative is to push. And the center's their job, apparently, is to push back and they keep drawing lines. And we keep stepping over the line. It goes on and on and on and on. The odd thing is the censorship never went away. The pendulum has swung. And it's gone from being a right wing conservative, puritanical thing, right to a liberal, hypersensitive. You know, kind of social justice, social consciousness, and not that I'm not, but and you can't say that because that hurts a feeling. This makes people feel put upon and this is insulting. It's, it's coming very much from the left now, which is very odd. And in the writing process for this new album, and I had written since 95. I caught myself and checked myself going, Oh, I don't know. Can I say that? And my louder. Dee Snider voice said, you. You say that? You remember, yeah, I fought for this. But I but I hated that. That it's crept in that we're questioning, like are we hurting feelings all over the place? And as we go, Oh, my God, in an effort to be kinder and gentler, we become just just so I yeah, so it's, it's never went away. The Odd changes that it's become like I said, I'm more coming more from the left than it is from the right now.

Chuck Shute: 29:48

Right. Okay. Well let you go. Just one quick last thing is a charity that you want to give a shout out to here at the end. I know you work with homeless veterans.

DEE SNIDER: 29:55

Yeah, you know, I've been trying to give back because I got a lot to make up. From the 80s. So you saw our family feud we want $25,000. Yeah. For National Coalition for homeless. That's okay. The idea that there are veterans on the street. I mean, when my dad came home from war, there was the GI Bill, which helped him get a house and there was a game college educations. I don't understand how we can have veterans on the street. So there's that is also a charity that I've been involved with. It's a very small charity called Melissa's wish. A girl I knew died of cancer and her dying bed she told her parents, if you do anything in my memory, do it for the caregivers, because they are the ones left holding what's left of their lives. He says to see people, the caregivers, economically destroyed because of the sicknesses their family members have gone through losing their jobs, their homes, they have a loved one on top of it all it has suffered through a year or two of just brutal, slow deaths. And then the then the loved one moves on and then they have to pick up the pieces right? I never even thought about that. Till Melissa Blackford said those said that to us, and we formed a charity called Melissa's wish, okay, raise money to help the caregivers get back on their feet after losing everything right. Okay,

Chuck Shute: 31:24

I'll put all that stuff in the notes along with the new album out July 30. leave a scar that can people can preorder now. And that wooden box. It's really cool, though.

DEE SNIDER: 31:31

Yeah. All right. Yeah, yeah, we got some great rate incentives and, and check out the live stream on the 29th at metal department.tv. We'll rock and roll live and in your face.

Chuck Shute: 31:44

Okay. Thanks, D. I really appreciate it. great talking to you, man. Right. See you later. Bye. Dee Snider. I keep saying it. And I still can't believe it. But Dee Snider of Twisted Sister has been on my show. And I'm very grateful that he did come on the show. I loved all his stories and his opinions. And again, I think he's just so real and genuine. And I think that's at least part of the reason he's so popular. Make sure to check out his latest record and leave a scar. And again, depending on when you're listening to this, it's either out now, or it will be out soon. And you can pre order the deluxe wooden box edition, which is really cool. And I put the links to his website and his livestream in the show notes, along with the charities he mentioned, and my website. So check out some of the episodes I've done. If you want to hear more about Twisted Sister, check out my interview with JJ French. We talked about Skid Row in this episode. So if you want to hear my interview with Rachel Bolan, you can check that out. I've also interviewed Steven piercey from rat john karate and many many more. So if you want to support the show your activity on social media and YouTube with your likes, comments and shares, that helps me out quite a bit. And if you want to go that extra mile, you can write write me a review wherever you listen. So thank you so much to D for coming on the show. Thank you all for listening. I hope you have a great rest of your day. And remember to shoot for the moon.