Chuck Shute Podcast

The Year in Rock 2023! (w/ Troy Patrick Farrell, Brett Carlisle & Sam Bam Koltun)

December 22, 2023 Sam Bam Kolton, Brett Carlisle, Troy Patrick Farrell, Season 4 Episode 404
Chuck Shute Podcast
The Year in Rock 2023! (w/ Troy Patrick Farrell, Brett Carlisle & Sam Bam Koltun)
Show Notes Transcript

Troy Patrick Farrell is a drummer and radio host who has played  with White Lion, Tantric, Gilby Clarke and others.  Sam Bam Koltun is a guitar player with Dorothy, Faster Pussycat, Budderside, Crossbone Skully & others.  Brett Carlisle is the singer for Great White & All Or Nothing.  The four of us sat down to discuss the highlights from 2023 related to rock music.  We talk about our favorite albums & concerts plus thoughts on KISS retiring, Mick Mars leaving Motley Crue, the costs of shows & Spotify, RnR Hall of Fame snubs and more!

0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:00 - Welcome Sam, Brett & Troy!
0:02:00 - New Mammoth WVH
0:05:35 - Sam's Favorite Albums
0:06:45 - Troy's Favorite Albums
0:09:35 - Brett's Favorites
0:11:50 - Foo Fighters
0:15:10 - New Dokken & Don Dokken Interviews
0:16:05 - Warren DeMartini Vs. George Lynch
0:19:55 - RNRHOF & Snubs
0:23:00 - Mick Mars & Motley Crue
0:32:16 - KISS Retires & Digital Avatars
0:37:05 - Mike Portnoy
0:39:52 - Eddie Trunk Birthday Party
0:42:25 - Phones at Concerts & Copyrighted Music
0:51:00 - Memorable Live Shows
0:56:01 - Aerosmith
0:58:50 - Sammy Hagar & David Lee Roth
1:04:14 - Spotify & Musician Money
1:11:29 - Touring Costs & Supporting Bands 
1:19:42 - Memorable Concerts Attended
1:29:10 - In Memoriam 
1:31:00 - Future Plans for Sam, Brett & Troy
1:35:32 - Outro

Troy Patrick Farrell website:
https://drummertroy.com/

Sam Bam Koltun IG:
https://www.instagram.com/sambamkoltun/?hl=en

Brett Carlisle IG:
https://www.instagram.com/brett_carlisle/

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Charles Shute:

Alright, let's just go ahead and dive right in. We'll let you guys introduce yourselves. Especially because I can't even keep track of all of Sam dams, bands, different bands. So why don't you start since you've got, you've got the most the biggest resume right now.

Sam Bam Koltun:

Come on. Hi, I'm Sam. I play guitar with Dorothy and faster pussycat and butter side and a band called crossbow and Skelly. And whoever else will hire me at the moment.

Charles Shute:

All right, awesome. Welcome, Sam. Brett. Singer. Oh, nothing what else? You got those two your main ones right.

Brett Carlisle:

And doing those shows with George and lynch mob and singing doc and stuff with George sometimes. And but yeah, that's about it. All right.

Charles Shute:

Welcome, Brett. And then Troy.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

How's it going? Troy, Patrick Farrell, I clean up after my three dogs. And I've been doing for about the last six years a show called this that and the other radio show at dirty radio.fm. Every Wednesday, live two to 5pm. Pacific Standard Time. Also, occasional drummer

Charles Shute:

and manager to like we were just talking about right. Yeah, you

Troy Patrick Farrell:

know, I find lost luggage and you know, stuff like that. So I do it all. I wear all the hats. Whatever it takes for me to get the gig. All

Charles Shute:

right. Well, we're gonna talk about the year in raw 2023. So it's always a big year, right? There's always so much new music coming out concerts, stories, all sorts of stuff. But I guess we'll start with new music. There was a lot that came out. But we might have all listened to different things. I'm sure we all have different tastes. It's not like back in the 70s and 80s. When I feel like there was just only like so many albums. There's so much new music you couldn't keep keep up with it. But I think one album for me that was big was the new mammoth of Wolfgang Van Halen. Eddie Van Halen son, mammoth, too. Did you guys hear that one? Yeah. What do you think?

Sam Bam Koltun:

Oh, killer. I didn't care like just like dude, like the first one. Yeah, cuz

Charles Shute:

I feel like his songwriting is maybe even better than his dad's. I mean, I don't know how if he's as good a guitar player, probably not definitely not as prolific. But the songwriting is so or maybe it's just the production but it's something about those songs sound. They're really catchy.

Sam Bam Koltun:

Well, it's it's different. It's not Van Halen at all right? It's it's completely his own thing.

Charles Shute:

Have you seen them live? Me

Sam Bam Koltun:

personally? Yes, I have. Has anybody else.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

So I'm opening up for GNR at Allegiant and we were walking in to get to our seats. So we miss you know, half the show, but I thought it was great. It was a big stage forearm and you know, obviously new band even though he's got that Van Halen last name, no free passes, especially when you're opening up for mega act like GNR. And I feel like with the stripped down set, going up there with his little band, they kicked ass.

Charles Shute:

Yeah, no, that's I saw him open for Guns and Roses. I wanted to see him headline I missed it. But they seem like a very good live band. I mean, because they're younger too. So it's like easier some some of the songs. You know, as singers get older. I feel like it's sometimes harder. But Brett, have you seen them or heard that new music?

Brett Carlisle:

I haven't seen them. I've heard a little bit of it. And everything I've heard from Mammoth is really good. So cool. It's totally not Van Halen. So it's not. You know, I didn't know whenever I heard it first that he was coming out with stuff. I didn't know what to expect. When I heard it. I was like, Okay, I like this. So, yeah,

Charles Shute:

cuz I think one of the first big songs they had was off that first song was a song about his dad dying and that that song almost like brings a tear to my eye. Every time I hear it. It's so powerful. Like when you know what it's about, and the lyrics and stuff. And just the way the melody and it's really a well written song.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, I weep like a five year old that got his favorite toy taken away. I mean, it was very sad and out of the gate, but I feel like for him, it addressed the elephant in the room, meaning this connection with his dad, and he comes out with the solo stuff and, and I feel like in a way, it was kind of a send off for him to you know that his dad is gone. Now. Here's my tribute to my father taught me everything I know, but I'm my own man. And now I'm, you know, going off on my own to do my own thing. I kind of feel in some weird way. It was like that. In hindsight, you know, I don't think it was by design. You know, hey, let's address this. Here's my dad, Eddie Van Halen, which everybody knows and loves. But I feel like for him, it was a way to address it, send his dedication and then you know, leave home and do what he needs to do. Yeah,

Charles Shute:

I think he's done If I made his mark as his own musician or governments just kind of think of him as Eddie Van Halen son I mean at least for me, I buy know those trolls online and he engages with them. That's some of the funniest responses I've ever seen. He called somebody a grape or something. Oh, that was a good one. What other what other albums stick out for you guys? Personally, Sam, is there any other I mean, I don't know if you have time to listen to music. But is there anything that sticks out to you that you really enjoyed? I

Sam Bam Koltun:

made I made a list but the the ones that stand out the most for me are Hackney diamonds, The Rolling Stones album. If I said that word right. In Times New Roman Queens of the Stone Age 72 seasons, Metallica. And there's there's a lot more to but those three are kind of like, my top three,

Charles Shute:

I guess. Yeah. The will the Rolling Stones. one's interesting. I don't know if you guys have heard that. Troy and Brett but the music video. Did you see the music getting to Sam because it's got a Sydney Sweeney in it. And that was kind of a big thing. Because people were the feminists were like, Hey, you can't, she's being objectified. And then she's like, actually, I picked out the clothes that I wanted to wear that music video. So I don't know if we can get a picture of that music video or in that music video. But it's a it's actually a pretty catchy song. I just listened to it and saw the music video. I thought it was great.

Sam Bam Koltun:

I haven't seen the video, but I heard the whole record. And every song I was just like, Oh, that's cool. That's cool. And then we got to the end. And it was like, Oh my gosh, I loved it. Loved the whole thing. So

Charles Shute:

now I have to have you heard that one tribe hear that album or the song?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah. So on my show, we do some talk. And we do, you know, lots of new music and so the stuff that I've heard and a lot of my my lists and there are a couple that are on Sam's list that match our because he's got good taste in rock'n'roll are based on just hearing a couple songs, you know, so I can't say that I've sat and had album time with with some of these new releases, but it's stuff that I hear. And I can just tell it's quality. And then you hear track to track three and it's like, man, every song is a hit. Every song is great. And so at that point, I feel like I can determine that these in my opinion would be top five. You know, stones is in my list. They're the new Metallica as well. And I didn't grow up being a Metallica fan at all. I was more into the Bon Jovi stuff and the Cinderella and that end. I never got in on the early boat of Metallica, but probably in the last 20 years. But this last album, I like I want to get tickets, I want to go see them. I'm all about Metallica, I like how they've taken their career and what they're doing with it. I mean, they are just their own self sufficient machine. And you know, obviously they have great management but great songs and I think the guys in the band are great dudes and it's why they're doing the business that they do you know any band that goes out there and does two headlining shows back to back with completely different setlist completely different opening. I mean, they are delivering, you know, the hardware and ticket price in my opinion. So Metallica is definitely on my list. Not only is one of my new, old favorite bands now, but for 72 seasons, every track that they've put out, it's been great. The new extreme is awesome. I think every song there is really cool. And their absence, obviously wasn't wasted not doing anything. And then I got a couple honorable mentions that I just dig dirty honey can't find the brakes, great band, great live band all live and they sound just like the album because it's all very organic and real. And then yeah, we have Rolling Stones and the struts. pretty vicious. I just another band I did keep them even though they're not a new band. Now they're 10 years old, but they're kind of moving around. I don't think people know what kind of box to put them in. But I did them. They put out great stuff, whether it's on the poppy side, or the more organic 70s Queen ish kind of stuff.

Charles Shute:

Yeah, and they're good live to Yeah, I had some of those to the mammoth, the extreme the new album, I listened to that front to back it was really good. New LA guns, new winger, the new seven dust truth killer. I don't know if you guys are I was never really a seven dust fan. But I listen to that album because I was interviewing the singer and it was very eclectic. And I really liked it. I liked the new bad wolves. That's good stuff to read. I'm curious what you have because you were telling me you like some of the heavier stuff and I listened to some of those bands that you mentioned and I was like, whoa, this stuff blew me away. Really heavy stuff. And you just wouldn't think of that coming from the singer great way.

Brett Carlisle:

I do some of that stuff. Like on my own and me and some of the guys in Alien and everything. I've talked about putting some projects together like that actually and I'm really excited. But yeah, dirty honey dirty honey always kills it. I've seen them like three times live, they sound just like the record. They're awesome. But I mean, like, knock loose, I listened to knock loose a lot they have been doing really really well like filling out arenas and everything and that's kind of hard to do coming from like a hardcore band. So I'm super happy for them Lorna shore to they're doing crazy. Well falling in reverse. Like I've been super busy this year and I lean more in the heavy direction. So yeah, so

Charles Shute:

do you think that will be the future for you is you're gonna be doing more of that kind of heavy scene?

Brett Carlisle:

Um, yes, but I've been recording a lot of pop stuff too. So I'm kind of all over the place. Wait

Charles Shute:

pops with all or nothing or with a just a different project on my own? Okay. You post like tick tock and Instagram have just you singing right sometimes or sometimes,

Brett Carlisle:

but I've got like probably almost 30 songs recorded that I'm waiting to do something with so now

Charles Shute:

I wanted to see the see if that can work this I wanted to show you guys a picture that Sydney Sweeney thing and see if this works.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah. heard heard. There was a little backlash about that, you know, being objectified. And it's like, hey, you know, this is how we made videos 30 years ago. Yeah. Can you guys see that? I don't know if you can see that. Yeah, for sure.

Charles Shute:

You see them. So it's like, yes, people were mad. But it's like, I mean, like I said, she picked it. So

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I've got the same outfit.

Charles Shute:

Right. Let's see. Well, another one nobody mentioned. But it was a big album was the new Foo Fighters, the 11th studio album, but we here we are. And it's the first one without Taylor Hawkins who died unexpectedly. So I actually went I never seen the Foo Fighters and they came to town. I was like, Dude, I gotta see the Foo Fighters. I wish I would have seen him with Hawkins. I just it was one of those bands that I was like, I didn't hate but I didn't like love enough to like, go fight the traffic and you know, go to the big stadium tour. But I made myself do it. And they were really good. So have you guys heard that album? Have you ever seen the Foo Fighters live?

Sam Bam Koltun:

I have not heard that album and I have not seen the mosh.

Charles Shute:

Wow, Brett, have you?

Brett Carlisle:

I would like to see them live. I've heard they put on a really, really good show. But

Troy Patrick Farrell:

at Troy. I have seen them live and probably one of the best shows. I mean, they're doing three hours. It's entertaining. Dave, you know, the way he's up there, you feel like you're in a small rock club with you know, with not like 20 people, it gives you that ambiance of a very personable show. Yet you're in a place that's holding 20,000 people and everybody's all kind of rock into the same concert, but they are great live. Definitely bucketlist band go see them. You know, they got tons of great songs, huge catalog, great energy. And they have a lot of fun during their shows, which is, you know, really what rock and roll in my opinion was about you know, they're not on a script. And so whatever happens happens, and I think like in each city, you'll get a different show. Because it's a different audience. Different things happen during the day. But first or last time goes. You know, of course I spin something if it comes out new but nothing. It hasn't really grabbed me not enough to dive deeper into the album. But I do you know, I'll always like the foods for sure.

Charles Shute:

What do you think of the new drummer? I mean, obviously, Taylor Hawkins was amazing. But the new drummer, I'm trying to remember like, I feel like he's got a great resume. I think he was in with tool. Red Hot Chili Peppers. Like he was phenomenal. Have you seen the band with him?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I have not. He's He's great. He's fantastic. But I feel like he's one of those studio guys. I don't feel like he's a bad guy. Taylor Hawkins is a band guy. He's a drummer you want in your band. He's a bro. And so I don't get that sensation. I was hoping they were gonna go with the kid from the darkness because I you know, another Taylor, you know, Roger Taylor, son. And I was so because I feel like he's a bad guy, you know, and Foo Fighters is a band. A lot of people obviously it's Dave Grohl, we get it. It's Dave girls band. But all those guys have been in that band. Almost since the inception. You know, the keyboard player is a late hire, but he's been in the band Rami. And then, you know, he got Pat, you know, drug pat off of Hollywood Boulevard going, Hey, I want you in this band path. Didn't want to be in the band. You know, he was kind of retired. But, you know, he's had the same lineup of guys throughout, essentially, you know, the modern day success of Foo Fighters. So you know, I don't know. I mean, he's a great drummer. So you can't sit there and take away from that. But you know, Taylor Hawkins is a bad guy, and I felt like they should have done The band guy in the band.

Charles Shute:

Yeah, that's a that's an interesting take. I never thought of it like that. Another album that came out. There's a lot of I don't know what you call them, like legacy acts, whatever. But dokkan had a new album and Don Dokken. I mean, he was on my show. He's done so many interviews. NACA is interchannel, if you guys watched any of his interviews, or clips or whatever, but he's like an open book, and he's very entertaining. But one thing that was interesting is that he said, and on my show, he said that he wished because I guess Warren Demartini from rat was originally the guitarist and Doc and like, a week or something like, and then George Lynch came back, because he tried out for Ozzy and didn't work out and he said, I want my job back and kicked Warren out. And Don was saying, Oh, I think if we would have kept Warren, and we would have taken off a lot faster, and we would have been a lot bigger and all this. So I just kind of share that clip. And people on the internet went crazy talking about Warren Demartini versus George Lynch. And there was like, I mean, people were arguing for both sides of totally different styles. But I'll start with you, Sam on this one. What do you think about Warren Demartini versus George Lynch? Who's the better guitar player?

Sam Bam Koltun:

Somebody me answer that.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

watching right now. Hey, George. Yeah, he's getting he's getting ready to give us the answer. George.

Charles Shute:

What do you think of the differences because people online were saying, like, George is much more like free form and like, does what he wants and feels it and never plays the same. Whereas Warren is like, much more technical, and is gonna get deal to give you like, you know, if you tell them, hey, Warren, play it like this, he'll be able to do it like that. It's

Sam Bam Koltun:

hard for me because as a guitar player, I'm very much a fan of both. So I'm very much a fan of a guy like Warren, who will play at the same all the time, and we'll play it just like the record and whatnot. But then also, George Lynch, who will do something else in the moment, because I also feel like, sometimes when I'm playing I'm very by feel in the moment, and, and whatnot. So don't mind me say who's better, but I like both. Both a great.

Charles Shute:

That's a great answer. Brett, what do you think, have you do you have a comparison? I mean, you're gonna play with George. So I'm guessing you're gonna say, George,

Sam Bam Koltun:

and you have played with George,

Brett Carlisle:

right? Yeah, several times. He's, he's really cool. And yeah, you never know what he's gonna do whenever we're playing with him. Like it's aliens, like the band backing him. And we'll we'll be playing the song like it is, you know, Jacob's holding down the rhythms and everything. And sometimes, George will just, it'll just be over there doing his thing, just solo and through big parts of the song that aren't even that don't even have cellos. And he's just, it's really artistic. It's really cool. He's just out there doing his thing. Vive and chillin. He's always super happy. And like, it's cool.

Charles Shute:

And it doesn't. It's okay to play with somebody like that doesn't like disrupt you, and the and your, or whatever. It

Brett Carlisle:

could be, it could be easy to but me and the guys are tight enough. We listen to each other. So no matter what he's doing over there, we know, we know where we're at, in the song. And, I mean, it's it's cool. And he wrote it, so you could do whatever he wants, you know?

Charles Shute:

Yeah, I mean, that's a that's a thing. I think that's what's different about like, lynch mob, versus dokkan. It's like, I think that was already documented so many fights and everything because they're all such great musicians and Don wants to do it his way. But when it's lynch mob, it's like George can do whatever he wants. And so yeah, Troy Do you have an opinion on that? I'm sure you are aware of both of them? Yeah,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

of course. I mean, as far as guitar players go, I think they're both great. George is so quirky as a person so he edges up just a little bit above in my book only because I I just like you know, I did did a tour opening up for lynch mob and we shared a bus with them. And he is he is just an odd and I mean this in a great way he's just an odd dude. And I just love you know, because you don't know if he's serious or not, you never really know how to take him he's got like this dry a sense of humor. So with that alone, that you know, kind of edges them up above you know, Warren but I mean, weren't you know, Warren is a great guitar player and out there tour managing Bobby Blitzers rad experience and he turned it into rap at some point conversation for another time, but a lot of respect was paid towards those guitar parts and the attempt to duplicate and replicate the Warren Demartini which is not the easiest thing. So they're both fantastic guitar players and definitely deserve to be in our, in our worlds. You know what I mean? They're, they're great. Absolutely.

Charles Shute:

Yeah, absolutely. Um, so some of the other biggest you know, what's interesting, the, like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I felt like so Everything was Rage Against the Machine was the only like hard rock one inducted this year but I feel like to me the bigger story is always the bands that are not inducted and so I think that was the only hard rock one but so we're still missing like I had to like do a double take on this I was like Is this right is this tell me if all these are not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Alison chains Megadeth Ozzy hantera Slayer smash Oh my

Troy Patrick Farrell:

DNA is all over that you said Megadeth sorry.

Charles Shute:

Stone Temple Pilots tool and Motley Crue. None of those bands were in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I mean that's like shocking to me.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

There's a handful that I'm not shocked by religions though. Yeah, I mean tool. You know, it's obviously this is all opinion based. But you know, I feel like Motley Crue. Definitely and I look at the people that I would put in as you know who who was the most influential? Who are bands that are constantly you know, Hey, who are your favorite bands growing up or who influenced you? You know, you hear the same bands over and over and to me those are you know, rock i just don't hear a lot you know, unless it's a tool tribute band or you know, I just don't know that they have the mass amount of influence compared to a motley crew you know, so you know Megadeth I don't know if they'll get in there. I mean, does a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame put a lot of rock and roll bands in there? I mean, they they don't really

Charles Shute:

like the rock or pop music hall of fame. I don't know but I don't know what it is. I think there is tool does have I'm not a huge tool fan, but I respect them and there's some people that tool is literally their favorite band. So I think it could be to like a generational thing. You and I are a little older. Sam what do you what do you I know you love Allison chains. But what do you think about that list?

Sam Bam Koltun:

I do love Allison chains. Soundgarden too. I don't think sound gardens in it either.

Charles Shute:

I thought they did they not get in? I don't know. Did that's bad too. If they're not in it?

Sam Bam Koltun:

Yeah, I don't know. There's definitely a lot of bands that aren't in an Iron Maiden is not in it isn't done Lizzy. Not in it

Troy Patrick Farrell:

yet. Unless he's not. I mean, I think before tool gets in, there's a heap of you know, past two bills that need to be paid a lot of other bands that deserve I think in my opinion. Right?

Charles Shute:

What do you think?

Brett Carlisle:

I mean, I agree with everything else that for real?

Charles Shute:

Is there any of those bands? Is there any one that's like your one of your favorites? Or you're just like shocked that which

Brett Carlisle:

I mean, I'm surprised crew Isn't it like, but there's there are a lot that aren't in it. So I just I'm just like, you know,

Sam Bam Koltun:

chill. Yeah,

Charles Shute:

I think we're right I just double check this Soundgarden is not in. So yeah, motley crew. That's a weird one. Because if it's a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I can't think I mean, if you look at the list of the people that are in Motley Crue is more famous, like people are being they're playing stadiums. But that was a big story of the year too, is that Mick Mars stepped down. And then he released the song, he's released a solo song, but the band he's or he's suing the band now. And so this this drama is so weird. I never seen the fans so divided. I feel like everyone took Mick side. But Molly crews still playing stadiums. And Mick Mars is doing this like solo career. And he's doing press on these, like, really small radio shows that I've never heard of. I thought I knew every podcast, I'm like, I never heard of this podcast that Mick Mars is doing. It's a very bizarre path that they each took. And then you know, the crew obviously got John five. But yeah, what do you guys think about that? Because that seems to be a big story for the year. Troy, I'll start with you. Yeah,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

well, I think what he was, you know, based on my, and I don't have a law degree, nor do I play one on TV. But he, I think what happened was he left the touring entity, but still feels that he's 1/4, or whatever his percentage is of the band, and they wanted to essentially, you know, get rid of his stake in the band and drop them down to 5%. Of, of all revenue. And he's like, you know, I'm still you know, a part of this band, I'm on the board. And 5% doesn't cut it. So, with that being said, you know, you'd have to look and see what their deal is. But if he is legit one, whatever percentage he is of the band, just because he's not touring with them doesn't mean that he shouldn't get that, you know, it's kind of like Bani Carlos, you know, he doesn't go out and hasn't toured with cheap trick, but they have a deal that he gets, you know, whatever his royalties are from back in the day, whatever is mechanicals will be for the opposite he performed on that doesn't change. And, you know, whatever money they make, he's still on the board. So he might get, you know, some mailbox money, maybe it's 50% 15% of whatever. 20% Whatever the deal is, like, Hey, if you're in the band, you get 20% or 25% of everything leftover, but if you're not in the band, you get 10%. You know, whatever, whatever their deal is, and it seems like Motley You know, just kind of shifted gears and didn't tell him and said, Well, since you're not touring, we're going out on this big huge tour and you're out of the band. And here's 5%. You know, here's chump change. Although 5% of Motley money still probably quite a bit, he certainly should get paid whatever the agreed upon rate is, you know, yeah,

Charles Shute:

it's a complicated thing with the legal I don't know how that all that stuff works. Because yeah, he he'll build the name and the song. So like, should he get a cut of the merch? Or like, how does that yeah, I don't know how that works.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, I mean, you know, my opinion, if you know if he's on like, if they're doing Motley Crue nostalgic merch, you know, in addition to maybe something that's just a logo or John five, I mean, it depends on their deal, if they have a merch deal where they all, you know, that doesn't change if he's not in the band, unless he sells all his shares, you know. So all that should still be equal. And if he's out of the band, then maybe that percentage drops a little bit. But, you know, I can't imagine him getting any revenue from a shirt he's not on. But if he's out there being sold on a shirt, he should be getting his cut of it. And, you know, certainly we get his publishing and all that other stuff. But if he's got an equal stake or some stake in the touring entity of Motley, despite the fact that he's not out there, he needs to be paid as percentage, you know, because he still is. He's an owner. He's on the board. You know, right. I mean, that's the case. I don't know if that's the case or not. So

Charles Shute:

yeah, right. What do you think? Because you're a, you're a fan of the crew? Are you on Team crew or team MC?

Brett Carlisle:

Yeah. I'm just glad I got to see him a couple times before. Before all this happened. I didn't get to see him on the stadium tour or anything like that. But they were you know, I saw him a couple of times when I was younger, but totally if he's not, he shouldn't be getting paid for shows or whatever. But you should be still getting everything that he's entitled to. For all the work. He put in all the years everything he played on. Like you said, he's on some T shirts, memorabilia kind of stuff. Like I don't see why that should change at all. It doesn't.

Charles Shute:

Have you heard the new solo song?

Brett Carlisle:

Um, yes. A little bit of it. And I know he's been working with my friend Jacob button on. Yeah, he's from he's from Birmingham, or I don't know, technically Birmingham. But yeah, we're from the same area. And he's super cool. He's super. He

Charles Shute:

sings on the, I think one or two. Is it all the songs or at least a couple that have been released already? I think.

Brett Carlisle:

Yeah. I'm not sure if it's gonna be all the songs. But yeah, and um, I'm excited about that. And you know, Jacob's an amazing songwriter. He works with a ton of people and everything, but I'm just, I'm glad to see him doing that because he's a really nice guy. So I'm, I'm excited about that aspect of the whole thing. So

Charles Shute:

that's awesome. Sam, do you have an opinion on this one?

Sam Bam Koltun:

That was basically It'd be my same opinion is stoked for Jacob because Jake was working with Nick March. And yeah, love Jacob button. Love what he does with butter side. We do a lot of shows with neon Coven, which is a band of his Jacobs. And as well as Jacobs also been mixing all the new faster, pussycat music, so very much happy for him. So anything. And then of course, I mean, being a guitar player. My favorite part of Motley Crue was Mick Mars, just because big guitar tone and, and the big, giant guitar sound. So, I don't know, again, I don't like I don't really want to, like pick sides. Because I'm a very neutral person. At least that's how I tried to keep it. But I do like the new MC Mar songs. I think there's two out another one just came out actually in the last week. And what I've heard, I think is cool. Yeah, that

Troy Patrick Farrell:

other new one was called the right side or wrong just came out a couple days ago. Yeah,

Charles Shute:

I heard the rumor was, originally it was John corabi. That sang with and I don't I guess there's some story that has not been revealed yet as the reason why John Kuraby is not singing on some of these are all of them. But you played with karate. Troy. So I don't know if you know, have an inside scoop on that.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, the only thing that I know. And I know that they released a couple of teasers of some of the recordings, which I thought was great. You know, but, you know, John can sing the phone book, and, and he's awesome. And I felt like the stuff was really aggressive. I'm not saying I don't like the new stuff. I just thought the karate stuff was great from what I understand. And I just had heard Mick on an interview with Eddie trunk, that there was somebody a part of that initial project that sort of, you know, spoiled it. So I don't know. I don't know what that means. He didn't specify I don't know if it was a producer, or whatever. But essentially, it sounds like they've trashed all that old stuff. And it's all Jacob and MC and you know, then special guests and stuff doing the new stuff, but it seems like and it wasn't he He didn't allude to that it was John that spoiled it but I think somebody on the business end kind of ruined that first attempt of him to put out some solo stuff and it never got beyond the song samples. Okay,

Charles Shute:

yeah, it was it was interesting because I remember when Motley Crue and if you guys remember he younger people probably don't remember this but like in 94 when they when they did the LM with Krabi, and then Mick Mars had a solo song and it was just it was more like a Jeff Beck like Instrumental Guitar bluesy thing, and I thought that's what the new stuff was going to be like. And the new subs obviously, it's more modern aggressive. Yeah, yeah. Which is cool, but it's just it would have been interesting to hear what he would do with a blues album, because I thought that's what he said he was gonna do, I'm gonna do a blues album. I mean, this was like before he ever even left Motley Crue. He's talking about that.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, I mean, even the karate stuff wasn't. I mean, it was it was definitely edgy. You know, John's got that wrath. So there is an, you know, sense of some blues there. But I mean, really, it really was just rock and roll. And I feel like the new stuff is a bit more modern rock and roll. So I don't know, I feel like Mick is missing an opera. And we haven't heard the whole album yet. But he's missing an opportunity to really just be come out as thinking needs to come out with a really cool guitar song. You know, that really highlights his guitar planning. You know, all the riffs and the chords are great, but in my opinion, they're feeling just a little generic to me. They're not, you know, it's exciting that it's Mick Mars, not with Motley Crue. But after that, my attention just kind of goes away from it. I'm not super hyped on it. But you know that Motley crews working on new material, and I kind of feel like I'm gonna have the same feeling when that comes out, too.

Sam Bam Koltun:

I will add to when I heard the first, I can't really remember the second big Marsal single, but when I heard the first one, because there was just there was a big build up to it. And it got to the guitar solo. And it was so short. I was like, yeah, get longer. You know. That's

Charles Shute:

especially for Mick Mars. They want to hear they want to hear him shred right.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I want to hear 32 bars of a guitar. So

Sam Bam Koltun:

yeah, not three. There'll be more. What's that? Not three and a half.

Charles Shute:

Yeah, there'll be more on so maybe the other stuff is more. Classic McMorris. Well, another big story of the year, kiss retired. I guess the partly the big story is that they retire me and that was already coming. But they did the last show. But then the other part of the story is they had digital avatars that are taking so this is confusing to me. I'm like, is this Are they going to tour with avatars? is it's like a Vegas show. Like they play stadiums. And it's an avatar because I don't know if I pay kiss, concert ticket prices to see an avatar. But what do you think we'll start with you Sam? What do you think of Avatar concerts? Pass? Next question. Do you want to be replaced by an avatar?

Brett Carlisle:

No, I don't think that would be as fun for me.

Charles Shute:

Would you? Yeah, would you go see? I mean, what if it's somebody who's like kisses retire, or an artist like Jimi Hendrix that you couldn't see. Unless it was some sort of like hologram or avatar or something? That

Brett Carlisle:

I feel like that could be kind of cool. I know. I've seen a video of oh, shoot, who was that? Do I've seen a do video that was like a hologram or something like that? And that's kind of cool. If he's not around anymore, and everybody loves do. But like, I don't know, I just feel like it wouldn't be the same. And I feel like kiss would probably want to do something like that. Because Jean said that the even though the band's not touring anymore, that the brands still going to continue. So I can see them doing something like that, but I don't know.

Charles Shute:

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what they can do if they can sell out a stadium or if it's going to be more like a theater kind of thing. Troy, what's your take on it?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Well, I'd like to defer to Alex Jones for a second for commentary. Well, Gene

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Troy Patrick Farrell:

You know, so here's, here's my thoughts on that. I think the avatars look terrible. I don't know if they're trying to replicate what ABA is doing where they have their own self, you know, sufficient manmade theatre that's all strictly for the ABA technology, which is kind of what kiss is leaning to even though the promo video looked like a cartoon to me it didn't look 3d didn't look very real look. It was like modern day kiss with the replacement guy. I don't know. It was just just very bizarre and the technology didn't look great. I think what Apple is doing It's cold, but you got to travel to, you know, Sweden to go do it and to see it. If this is a traveling thing, and it's going to be playing I don't know theaters or arenas or what I don't know who's going to go see a bunch of 3d cartoons. Brett said about the do hologram although I didn't like the second hologram I felt like it there was something a little weird about it. The technology was great. The concept was great. And they had a live band on stage with synced up to real video and this hologram there and it felt like do you know in actual audio from a concert, I would go see that I would go see do to that. You know, the kiss thing? I just I don't think I go see it. I won't go see it. I think it's terrible. It's it looks bad. It's Phantom of the Opera 2024 of the park. I'm sorry,

Charles Shute:

I tell you who agrees with you is Ace freely. Ex guitar player from Kiss said, I'll read his quote. I'm happy it's over because I'm not going to be compared to them anymore. But I don't get this avatar thing that they're going to do. I mean, I saw some of it on a video on YouTube last night. It kind of looked like it was geared towards children. It's not rock and roll. I get up on stage without backing tracks plug into my amp plug in my guitar into a Marshall and go that's it. It's always been that way and always will be so that was a frillies take and he's got a new song out. I don't know if you guys heard his song 10,000 volts. I thought it was really good. Oh, written by Steve Brown from trickster and real catchy. You know, I don't know if I would call it modern sounding but I liked it. Did anyone else hear that?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I dig it. I thought it was great. Yeah,

Charles Shute:

you guys are Brett or Sam.

Brett Carlisle:

I have. I'll check that out, though.

Sam Bam Koltun:

I did hear it. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was cool. Yeah, I'd be curious

Charles Shute:

to hear the rest of the album. If it all sounds like that I'm in. I saw him live and he was great. No avatars. Fun stuff. Another big story of the year. Mike Portnoy, who was in Dream Theater returned to Dream Theater. He also played drums with Twisted Sister for the reunion show. Are you guys Portnoy fans, because he's considered one of the I thought one of the best drummers of all time, he's been in a bunch of different bands. And this is this a big story? You guys Dream Theater fans? Troy I'll start with you because you're a drummer. Are you a fan of Portnoy?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

You know, I am in the winery dogs. I love what he does there because he still does. He brings that Portnoy style to a band that Scott, you know, a little bit more rooted in melodies and blues, and I like how he mixes it up in there a little bit. The Dream Theater stuff. I mean, it's it's kind of like algebra to me, you know, obviously, they're very successful musicians. They're very competent. They're great. The songs don't do anything for me, you know, putting on a new Rolling Stone song, which, and I'm not even a stones fan, you know, really, obviously, have played a lot of the songs in cover bands. But you know, I don't have a whole array. I don't know if I have one Rolling Stones album, you know, but give me that all day of the week. Yeah,

Charles Shute:

yeah, it's definitely more technical stuff, Brett. I'm

Troy Patrick Farrell:

sorry. I don't have a Rolling Stones album. I have your Christmas card list.

Sam Bam Koltun:

Oh, that's okay. I don't either.

Charles Shute:

Right. Have you heard Portner Portnoy you have an opinion on him? Have you seen Dream Theater winery dogs or any of the bands he's played with?

Brett Carlisle:

I haven't seen either one of them. I know. I saw a lot of people that were really happy about him coming back to drink theater and I know that he's crazy good, but I don't know his whole resume of things. But I mean, hey, if those people are stoked and cool, good for ya.

Charles Shute:

Sam, what do you think if you guys have you ever crossed paths with him? You're both in so many different bands. I'm surprised you haven't played with him or have you?

Sam Bam Koltun:

I don't I don't believe so. But my biggest encounter I guess with my partner is playing was when he played with Avenged Sevenfold so that was I really loved what he did with them. And yeah, I agree with Troy for sure what the winery dogs stuff it's a little easier for me to digest. You know, hearing a song with melody with the great Richie Kotzen singing and playing and Billy Sheehan. And again, not that Dream Theater is not great because it is fantastic. But it's it's a lot of math for me and 17 minutes on one song is very hard for my attention span.

Charles Shute:

Isn't there a genre of rock my cousin likes math rock he was telling. I was like I didn't even know what that was. But that's like a genre of music. I

Sam Bam Koltun:

think Dream Theater is the headlining band of that genre.

Charles Shute:

Okay. Troy, tell me about the Eddie trunk birthday party. This was like a star studded event. You were you there?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I was there. Yeah. Good. gracious enough to be invited and given a little, a little placard or, you know, laminate to go in and enjoy it, it was my expectations were pretty high because I kind of figured he was going to do something really good. And he, you know, obviously, you know, 40 years in the business, what can you say about that? I mean, it's it's tremendous and he's still very old school even though he's, you know, on satellite radio now he's, he's found a way to keep this music, you know, the rock and roll and, you know, interviewing guys on his radio show every week. I think he's, you know, he's raising the flag for rock and roll higher than anybody else. And they showed up at his event it was it's actually in my top one of my top five concerts in fact, concert event it would be number one for this year. It was it was great. I mean, you know, you got you know, the guys from night Ranger Piercey, Black Sabbath Geezer Butler, you know, singer from rival sons, Portnoy on drums. Glen Sobel, Alice Cooper. Lita Ford, I mean, the the list goes on. It was you know, Sebastian Bach was there it was, it was amazing. It was great. And Brent Woods who organized in hurted hurted, all them cats, aka musicians for rehearsal to put it all together. I mean, I didn't hear not one mistake, but it felt very, it still at the same time felt very loose and dangerous. So you knew that when they got done I was like, Oh, wow, this is this is a real it wasn't a polished rock shows just a rock and roll show. NVP was was REO Speedwagon, Kevin Cronin he took stole the night it was awesome.

Charles Shute:

Wow, is there a video of that show online? Well, there in

Troy Patrick Farrell:

fact, there's a dude that was up, I think in row one on the balcony and filmed the entire thing, the entire show. So it's all up there from the balcony. So it's a good view. And you know, even from the phones these days, the audio is great. And then there's another guy that brought in like a pro audio recorder with a stick and recorded the whole thing. And it's like time coded. It's like FLAC, you know, lossless version. And like he put together a whole schematic of everybody who played when they played on a timestamp, and the files are up on the internet already. Like, it's crazy. What? You heard the quality, it's great.

Charles Shute:

I was gonna ask you about that, then. All your opinions on this is like just phones at concerts? I feel like that's always a story. Do you like phones? I mean, do you mind having people record you guys are playing with the phones like and what and to what degree because I think there's the people that might take their phone out to record a clip or something, or you know, a song or two. And then there's the people, like you said, with the sticks, a whole should record the entire concert? And then I feel like to like if you're doing that you're recording the whole concert and putting on YouTube? How does that work? Because isn't there some sort of copyright thing where you guys get a piece of that? Or is it just is it like a bootleg? I don't understand.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Which one of the attorneys wants to answer?

Charles Shute:

Do you even know the answers to this like, because I just know, I'm very sensitive with my youtube channel to not put up too much copyrighted stuff, because I don't want to get demonetized Well,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

yeah, that's what they do. So you know, whoever, you know, with all the bots, in the scouring of all the files, I mean, it's amazing the technology that YouTube implements to, to, you know, avoid copyright issues, you know, to protect themselves and the artist and good on them for doing that. Whoever would be the publishing, you know, it, they got the little bots that scans the audio. And it knows who wrote the song who's got the publishing, and so it was D monetized so whoever put that up, wouldn't be able to monetize it. And as long as nobody complained about it, they could still have it up there for other people to enjoy. But yeah, the songwriters would be the ones to get the credits for each song on that, so they can't really monetize it, but But you know, if, you know, if ace for some reason played a kiss song written by Jean and PA, which he may or may not have, the ACE was there too, by the way, and did the show it was awesome. You know, if Jean Paul's publishing, you know, it got scanned, and you know, they got an alert that, hey, there's a song that they could shut it down to, they could, you know, put a copyright strike in there. And it'll leave. I don't know if YouTube either mutes that particular audio, or if they just take the whole video down with a strike. So, you know, planes. Yeah, it's like it down.

Charles Shute:

But just in terms like Brett when you're when you're out there singing rocking out and people have their phones. Is it distracting? Like does a flash go off sometimes? And would you rather just go to the show and have nobody recording you?

Brett Carlisle:

It's not really distracting to me. I like people to be more present. So I mean, phones phones are cool because I know that you know, they might this might be their favorite song and they're wanting to like save that for them or whatever. If I'm sick, I'm like, oh, no, please don't look at that. And if I'm like having a bad day or something, but this is part of being live, you know, but, um, I don't know, I don't I don't mind it too much. But definitely, sometimes you see more phones and you see people like smiling and singing along and like rocking out with this. And that's, that's a little different. That's how I'm like, Come on, let's let's be present while we're in this room together, we're here together to have a good time. So like, we're on our phones all day every day. But I don't know, I guess everybody has their own reasons for things. Yeah,

Charles Shute:

Sam, what do you think?

Sam Bam Koltun:

I feel like I kind of have the same or a similar opinion. It's, you know, when I'm going to a show, as a fan, I know, there's certain songs or certain things that I'd like to film a little clip of, to have, or to share myself or whatever. And, but then there's also more so the thing I guess that annoys me if there's somebody in front of me who's just like, on their phone, texting, and it's just kind of like this over yet.

Charles Shute:

Though, yeah, that's got to be destroyed. I guess, in a way, it also helps you guys. Because if people post a picture or video, it's your, that's free advertising for the concert and the tour total.

Brett Carlisle:

That's kind of what I was gonna say that was my other side of it too, is I don't really have a problem with it. Because everybody that posts something, all their followers are going to see it and everything else. So it's like, just kind of grows the I feel like I can grow shows in the community too. So I don't know there's this both sides of it. I'm kind of kind of neutral because I can see both.

Charles Shute:

Right? Yeah, it's like you said, though, if you're sick, if it's a bad look, you know, it's a bad picture, like, I mean, you have no control. And you can be like this, like with your eyes closed, and picture, or it's like, maybe you know, you, you miss a note or something. And then that's the video and you're just like, well, this isn't my best moment that I want to put on the internet. Like you don't get to choose to kind of

Brett Carlisle:

that's, that's yeah, I've seen so many pictures where I'm in the middle of singing something. It's like somebody's taking pictures while you're talking. And like you're, you don't know what you're doing with your face. Or I've seen so many pictures that look like I'm about to sneeze or something that I'm just like, what's going on right there. But, you know, it is what it is. Like? Yeah, because

Charles Shute:

some bands do the thing where I mean, I know like, I mean, this is comedy, not music. But like Dave Chappelle, my girlfriend went to the Dave Chappelle Show, and they had to put their phones in one of those like special Ziploc bags or whatever. So they could take any pictures or videos. And I think Jack White from the ex white stripes, I think he did the same thing. There's, there's some artists that are doing that, that are making people leave their phones. I mean, do you think that that will be a trend that will catch on?

Sam Bam Koltun:

I don't really know. I've heard that from somebody else, too. And I can't remember who I heard did that, as well.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Jim, I don't know if Pearl Jam was one of those bands. That

Charles Shute:

sounds like something they do?

Sam Bam Koltun:

Maybe. But I don't know, it's it's a hard thing. You know, it's hard because if somebody is buying a ticket to the show, feel like they should be able to live that experience however they want to. But at the same time, also understand the the wanting everybody to be present. So do

Charles Shute:

you think that would also be the future is that maybe that's going to be another way because bands are struggling to make money. I mean, I'm seeing so many articles about that. We can get into that in a minute. But I feel like that could be another piece like, Okay, if you want video of the songs or whatever, like, you could pick your, you know, your top five favorite songs and we'll, we'll we'll give you the clips, professionally shot or something like that. Like, I feel like that could be the next step with this.

Sam Bam Koltun:

Possibly, yeah, that's

Troy Patrick Farrell:

actually that's actually you know, so that way because, you know, like, what Brett said earlier was, you know, it is a give and take when you're playing live and there's nothing worse, especially for the frontman, I can imagine you know, because you're up there. guitar players are up there, they're seeing it all for me as a drummer, I'm not seeing so much but that disconnect you know, when the crowds just not into whatever because they're, they've got their faces buried in their phone, or they're watching the basketball game on the TV above you. You know, when you play those bars and grills it's, it's like you feel just the disconnect is gone. So a good audience is just as important as a good band. You know, I think both of them both need each other. But that I think that that's actually a great idea like hey, leave your phones and for doing that for you know, because some of these bands put on really intricate shows and they want you know, they're putting in a lot of effort a lot of money. And, you know, you talk about how touring right now is the only way bands are making money which is true, and that is you know, exponentially more expensive lately. Um, you know, they put on what, you know why produce all this stuff, nobody's gonna be watching it or filming it, you know, vertically with their crappy phone, you know, nobody needs that. So I kind of see it from both sides too. But what a great idea to offer, hey, don't bring in your phones. We're gonna give you three clips, whatever, you know, maybe they professionally shoot a whole show and then you get three clips of your choosing what band was that? There was a band that would record I don't know if Metallica did this, but they would record the the the show and then sell it at the merch. Later that night? Yeah,

Charles Shute:

no, that's smart. I just think like that would be a smart way to to get people more engaged in the show. And then I would I would pay for that. And then I'd be like, Oh, I have to worry about like recording this clip. Like I can just buy it later. And it'll be professionally shot with professional audio. Great. Like then I don't have to worry about pay the you know, a couple bucks or whatever it is. I think that would be a smart thing to do. And then it's gonna be different for each show. Hopefully, it's not the same clip. Because every show is different. Like when I saw Sam it faster pussycat, it was the last show that that was a wild show. Like, you get the opening band of limbo dressed up in like glam costumes. And you guys were like playing all these pranks on each other. And it was funny. It was a good time. That was like different than the show before. I'm sure. Oh,

Sam Bam Koltun:

completely. That was that was a very, very fun show. End of the tour is always a really, really good time. But on that one, especially because we all had so much fun together. And, you know, pussycat, we're all kind of, I feel like we all like to have quite a bit of fun. So anytime that we can have a little bit of fun like that is a really good time.

Charles Shute:

Yeah, because what was going on? Like somebody was drinking beers, and you guys are replacing his beers with water and somebody comes back and like, well, cuz no guitar picks at each other. I mean, it was it was pretty wild. Yeah,

Sam Bam Koltun:

like, of limbo. So of limbo we were out with to two bands, Jason Charles Miller was the main support and of limbo was was the first band playing. And so there's little things that we we know early. So I noticed I noticed the guitar player, Luke, the most important part of his rig, was having a thing that hold two beers on his nightstand. That was his most precious piece of gear. So the last show yeah, I just swapped out his beers with waters. And little things like I kind of noticed he wears guitar. I'd like wearing my guitar low. So I noticed anytime on my wizard guitar a little higher. So they're like going on and I lowered his guitar straps this year, and was throwing picks that everybody and it was just a good time and of limbo within their set every night with a song called Let's get fucked up. And that's their I don't know if I can say that word, but I just don't even know. I

Charles Shute:

know. You don't even drink. That's the funny part, too. Yeah.

Sam Bam Koltun:

So then Luke is like, Oh, do you guys want to come up and play? Let's get fucked up. And I'm like, Yeah, I can't sing it to Let's Do It. though. It was it was really, really fun. And Jason Charles Miller, the guys were great. We all got up with them, as well. And yeah, so that's why the last show the tour can be can be a really good time. And then we had everybody basically come out with us to win tender sings is pretty fucked up the super sucker song. They all came out on stage. And, yeah, crazy stuff like that is fun. It makes it memorable.

Charles Shute:

Brad, you have shows like that, like, what is your most memorable show that you played this year? Because I saw you with slaughter? And that was that was an awesome show.

Brett Carlisle:

Yeah, we've great wife plays with slaughter a pretty good bit. And it's, that's usually pretty fun. I've done a couple of the shows, with Aom and George and even Terry from XYZ seeing some of the Dawkins songs too, and stuff. So those are always cool. And then at the end of the show, all of us get out on stage together and play with good sensation. And it's it's cool because we're just running around high fives like me and terriers which imparts and everything. That's that's always fun.

Charles Shute:

Yeah. Did you get to play any shows this year? Troy? Yeah, yeah, it

Troy Patrick Farrell:

was in Mexico and Italy. And, yeah, all sorts of places, you know, not, you know, I don't tour as extensively as I have in the past. But, you know, coming next year, I've already got some stuff coming up that we'll be announcing soon. overseas. And so yeah, you know, I stay busy, busy enough. But yeah, you know, beautiful Italy in the summertime. With with the Gilby Clarke band. We played a big square and tore Gandhi on the island of Sardinia to about 5000 people benefit for pediatric cancer. So raised a bunch of money, my buddy Patrick Abbas. He was a great guitar player on his own, organized and put that all together. And that was that was great because it was a bunch of different musicians from Italy. And then we were sort of kind of the special guest. And Gilby was up there for quite a bit throughout the night. And then we got up there and did four songs. But you know, at the end, it was just everybody that had played throughout the day, just getting up there for a good cause. Good audience and stuff like that fun. You know, Sam talks about faster and when they ended tour, we did a tour with faster pussycat back in like 2010 with karate and elegans and I was out with John corabi Playing for him and at the end at the very last show faster came out Chad Stewart had a cowbell and he's hitting he's hitting the cowbell. So off time, like right in my ear, you know, it's so you start paying attention to those cowbell. But those those guys are always fun. They do it old school. That's how bands used to end tours back in the day. That's cool.

Charles Shute:

Well, one more another tour. That's a band that's going to be doing their farewell tour as Aerosmith. I think they started it in. It was supposed to start in September 2023. But the drummer Joey Kramer's he's out and then Steven Tyler heard his vocal cords. So I think it's delayed. But I think the thing that stood out for me about this because I'd never seen Aerosmith. I was like, Oh, maybe I should go see this. But I think the nosebleed seats were like $400 so pretty crazy. Troy Have you seen Aerosmith? Are you going to see this tour?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I will see it if if it comes to Vegas, I've seen Aerosmith many times back in the day. Ted Nugent and Aerosmith and a bunch of other bands. But anyway, yeah, they're definitely I want to see them on their way out. So yeah, I think so. And I think I would make an exception on ticket prices to go see them. Because I think Steve and Joe still have it. Although, you know, after three shows, they had to pull the plug on it. And, you know, it's kind of to be seen what's going to happen, but I believe he's on the mend, he ruptured or did something pretty severe to a vocal cord, Steven Tyler. And so you know, who knows what's going to happen? Plus, you know, they're getting older and you know, anything and any day. I mean, you know, think about this last year, how many artists we've we've lost, and as we get older, we lose more. Anything can change. Just one day, somebody's gonna be gone. So I hope that they're able to get together before they hang up the guitars in the microphones.

Charles Shute:

Yeah, Brad, have you seen Aerosmith? Are you going to see him on this tour? Or would you maybe open for them with great white? Probably,

Brett Carlisle:

I would. I don't know if that would happen. But if we got the opportunity, I will be down if I can see them. If I'm in town, if it's hard to plan things sometimes whenever you're traveling a lot, but if I can, I would love to and No, I haven't seen them. But I mean Steven Tyler is Steven Tyler. I'd love to see you. Is

Charles Shute:

he a big influence on you?

Brett Carlisle:

Yeah, he, he's awesome. I grew up listening to their stuff. I used to steal my dad's CDs. I think I've told you before and he had a couple of them. I remember the big ones CD Doom we talked about that one dropped anyway. Yeah. With a Yeah. That one? Yeah, if I can, I would love to, but no, I haven't seen them.

Charles Shute:

Sam or have you seen Aerosmith?

Sam Bam Koltun:

I did see them? Yeah, I believe it was it might have been 24 teen I'm not sure the year but it was out here in LA at the forum with slash in miles candy opening. And it was a amazing show. It was amazing.

Charles Shute:

Wow, that does sound good with I love slash and Miles candy. That's a great package. Dang it, too. Yeah. Yeah. So another story, Sammy Hagar is going on the road. And he's going to do some of the Van Halen songs. And this was confusing. Troy, maybe you can clear this up for me because I didn't understand the whole story. It was like First he said, he invited David Lee Roth to come up and then David Lee Roth was like, Yeah, let's go tour and Sam. He's like, Fuck, no, I'm not touring with you, asshole. He's like, I think you've met more like he was gonna invite him up to come up for like a song or something like maybe in like one city. And so it was kind of just interesting the way and then he took a shot. He said something like, Sammy said, No way. I know. But I know better than to have him on tour again. Been there done that. He can come out and sing a song on a show or two if you can remember the words. Did you remember that story?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do. You know, and I skip them when we talked about Eddie trunk. 40th. They were they were the only band that was announced was with Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony. And man, he's he's still got it. He you know, in his 70s What is he says he's 76 It's crazy. It's crazy how good he looks, and how much energy has still play Have a great guitar. But yeah, you know, I didn't get I felt like the reaction to what Dave said when asked about it. Or if he just volunteered a response. I didn't get the sentiment that he was expecting to go out on tour with him. I kind of thought he just said, Let's do it. I don't think it meant let's do it. Send my manager all the dates and how much money I just kind of felt like he was into doing it. But not necessarily for tours. I kind of felt like Hagar unless there was some verbiage I missed, kind of felt like, like, really backtracked and really exaggerated his response. I was like, I don't think Dave was insinuating he was going on the entire tour. I didn't get that from what I read. So unless I miss something, I didn't get that. And then you know, Sammy, you know if you can remember the word, I mean, it's like so Wait, so do you want me? You know, do you want me to come out? Or you don't know if you're gonna say all this shit about me? Why would I come out there? You know, and I think to be honest, I'm sure Sammy will do fine on his own. He does great numbers puts on a great show. It's a fun show. But I don't think it would hurt to have Ross come out and do a couple of those old VH tunes. I think it would really add a little bit of intrigue to that tour. Definitely.

Charles Shute:

Right. What do you think you like both of those guys?

Brett Carlisle:

Yeah, do I mean, the sounds were so different. I love the first Van Halen album Back in the day, like they, they don't sing anything alike at all. But I love both sides of it. And I would really like to see what they would do together on a tour. Like, even if it was just a show a couple shows, whatever. That'd be cool. But I don't know. I don't know why he would be like, Yeah, we should do this thing together and be like, No, nevermind, that. I don't know. But I would be so down to see it. Yeah,

Charles Shute:

it was fucking weird. Sam, what do you think? Same

Sam Bam Koltun:

here. Same here. It's, it's almost kind of like two different bands. I was trying to think of another comparison. But the main one that comes to mind is Sabbath like with do and Ozzy. And then obviously, Sabbath had more singers than that, too. But the Van Halen with Roth and Van Halen with Sammy Hagar almost feel like two kinds of different things, and really, really great things in their own ways. So yeah, I'd totally love to see it. For sure. It'd be cool.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Have you guys been following? You know, in the past year, I think Dave has put out maybe a half a dozen rerecords of Van Halen classics. He just put out a remix of just like, living in paradise, or most be just like living I live in a paradise from his first solo album. And then he's been putting out trickling out songs with his collaboration with John five, like, we don't know, anything that he's doing. He ended up canceling all the dates in Vegas that were going to be his final dates. And then you didn't know if he was going to be an EMT or climb some rocks or what, you know, whatever he's doing. And now he's, you know, putting out new versions of jump and all these classic Van Halen tunes if you guys been up on that, and if you heard it,

Charles Shute:

well, I just read I just had the author podcaster Darren Powell turrets on my show. He just wrote a book about David Lee Roth about it. So I just did a deep dive into all the David Lee Ross stuff. It's a really interesting book.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Have you seen a therapist? Yes. It's not the therapist. I

Charles Shute:

mean, I didn't know a lot of the stories about how when he left Van Halen it was to do a movie, you know, crazy from the heat was the EP, but there was a movie called crazy from the heat that was supposed to happen. They got canceled. And then there was like another movie. And there's all this stuff. And then they're saying he's got like 100 songs in the vault of different things, things that he's worked on, and, and then you'll come out and you'll do a bunch of interviews and stuff, and then you'll disappear. And he's just a mysterious guy's interesting. I was lucky. I got to see Van Halen with Hagar and I got to see Van Halen with Roth. I was in the nosebleeds. I think for both because they're both expensive shows. But I mean, it was entertaining. Both of those guys are fun. But yeah, I don't know what Ross up to now again, if you follow pal, truites he's got another he does two podcasts. And he has one that's a David Lee Ross specific podcast, which I'm pretty sure is the only one so you can keep up to date with all the David Lee Roth news. There's always say, yeah. Let's talk about Spotify. That's always a fun story. Cuz Dee Snider just came out it was just saying blasting the CEO and complain about how he's taking too much money. And then weird owl came out if you guys saw that he was joking that he got a thing. It was like, hey, congratulations on a million streams or whatever. And he's like, yeah, so after I got my check for the million streams, I'm gonna go out and get a turkey sandwich. So I don't know I'm not a musician. Is it really that bad? Is this over exaggerated? Is it really just like just pennies that they're giving you guys like Sam you told me I'm sure you want to talk about this? Do I know probably not but I do. What can you say like is that are the rumors is exaggerated at all. I mean, I feel like they gotta pay something right? I mean, You're on so many different projects, you've released music. I mean, you're getting something from that, I hope right? Is

Sam Bam Koltun:

something but very, very little. Very little. So yeah, it's, it's really it is pretty crazy that it's almost basically like, people are able to get the music for free. Um, yeah, I'm somewhat hypocritical because I come from when I was a kid, I owned a few CDs and whatnot. But I was big into the Limewire. Mostly my, that was kind of what was going on, when I was growing up and getting into music. So that was, I was big into that. And then that's really kind of even it took me a while to realize as a kid that Oh, you're supposed to listen to like a record, like the whole thing. And not just certain songs and whatnot. And so, but yeah, I I know, the Spotify stuff is not great. And I don't know what the answer is. for it.

Charles Shute:

It's kind of just like music is, is almost like an advertisement to get you to come out to the show. I forget which musician it was that said, like, we're just a traveling T Shirt Company. And we saw that that's how we make our monies off the T shirts and stuff. I don't know.

Sam Bam Koltun:

Yeah, I mean, at this point, it's, it feels like we're making just the money off the gigs. And the merch. Really? Well,

Charles Shute:

I bought a shirt. So hopefully, got a little noticed.

Sam Bam Koltun:

Yeah, a turkey sandwich.

Charles Shute:

Right. What do you think? I know, you haven't recorded a lot of music, but you have some with all or nothing. And I think you're gonna record some with great white. So I mean, do you don't rely on that for too much money, though?

Brett Carlisle:

No, I mean, like shows and merch, like we were talking about, or if we have physical copies of something. If we have CDs or albums at the merch table, then you know, we can get a little bit of low return on that. And it's cool. But as far as streams and stuff goes, this fan thing cool happens over there. It's just a bonus. So it's shows in March.

Charles Shute:

Yeah. Troy, you agree with all that same thing for you?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Well, you know, I feel like this. I don't know, the whole shake up in Hollywood over streaming. You know, I think some of it was related to you know, because there's a big Hollywood strike. And the actors and writers were striking, because I think the streaming services were going to take liberties with you know, and I think it may have had something to do with AI, I don't know, all of the intricacies of that. But relative to Spotify, and relative to D Snyder, blasting the CEO, and Sebastian Bach has been definitely a big advocate for musicians against Spotify as well, is, you know, when is that stripe gonna happen? There's been big artists that have pulled their stuff from Spotify. So artists do have control to say, you can't stream our music. And until we get a proper deal, you know, instead of point 0000, to infinity, two cents per stream, you know, and I see a lot of these artists, it's like, hey, we streamed you know, 1050 hours this year on Spotify, and blah, blah, and we're all supposed to like, thumbs up. And it's like, they didn't pay you though, for that. So yeah, it's great that your music is being heard. But then, you know, the, the rose and the thorn part of it as well. Yeah, but I didn't make any money off that, um, you know, the end of the day, songwriters write music, for people and for whatever, it's their outlet and for the art. But they should get paid for it. If somebody else is making money. How come the artists aren't making a fair share of it? You know, because without Spotify, maybe the artists aren't getting heard. But without the artists, there is no Spotify. So when is that big strike? When are all these bands going to pull their streams from Spotify to go until you pay us a fair wage when you can't stream us there? I think it's going to take that like a big artists like Taylor Swift. And I think Neil Young did it. I don't know if he's back on there. But you know, some of these artists over time have removed their songs to try and get a proper you know, Vig from the streaming services. But the big blowout hasn't happened yet. But I see that coming soon. Yeah,

Charles Shute:

cuz I think it's a great system. But I do think the artists obviously need to be paid more. And I don't mind paying more as a customer like for what you're getting. I mean, for an unlimited, basically, amount of music. And if you pay for the premium Spotify, you don't have to listen to commercials. I mean, it's a great system, but you definitely, I mean, we pay like nothing. It's like, what, 15 bucks a month or something like that. I mean, it should be way more for how much music I'm streaming. I mean, maybe the average person doesn't stream that much but I'm always looking For different music and stuff, and so I think it's a good system. But I think the artists do need to get more. And I think you're right. I think that the only way that happens is if a few of these big artists do a strike, and then and they, you know, they band together because the artists outnumber the CEOs. There's only one CEO and there's a lot of artists. So I will

Sam Bam Koltun:

say I am an Apple Music user. So that's my boycott Spotify.

Charles Shute:

Yeah. Is that what it's so different? Right? It's all isn't it all the same? And like, like, I know, like, the singer train was telling me that he only gets like a penny from iTunes, when you know, if you buy a song of iTunes, it's like $1 $1.29. He gets like a penny off that I'm like, that's crazy. To me. It's

Sam Bam Koltun:

probably all the same, but we don't hear as much about Apple Music. So yeah. Why is

Charles Shute:

that? Why are they evil? Yeah. And is there like a Google streaming one or something? Like

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Pandora, there's everybody's got one I heard on YouTube. There's so many. Yeah, YouTube is big and streaming, you know, so. But yeah, you're right, Sam, is we only hear about Spotify. So for some reason, they're the they're the target. You know, I don't know what the

Sam Bam Koltun:

biggest I would think it could be. I'm probably I don't know, for sure. But Spotify is probably the thing that's the most widely used all across the board.

Charles Shute:

Yeah. Well, besides the streaming and stuff, I mean, that's one way that artists are getting screwed. But recently, Dave Mustaine of Megadeth soundbite,

Unknown:

you know, my DNA is all over that. So

Charles Shute:

Dave Mustaine was in an interview with my buddies on the SDR show, and he was saying how like, even if you don't, if you're not doing a show that night, but you're on tour, it could cost like $50,000 just for like an off night. Because they got like a light man, a sound guy, a monitor guy, and a drum tech, a guitar tech, you know, another monitor guy, the truck drivers, the caterers, all this stuff. So like, even if they're just like an off night, there's no show they got to pay for all these people, because they're getting paid on a per day basis. So I mean, what do you think that you think that's an issue? Now? I mean, you guys all are in this business and have to look at these numbers and stuff. I don't know. Is it? Is it getting hard to make money off touring and doing shows?

Sam Bam Koltun:

That's why faster pussycat does 25 shows in 24 days. That's, you know, 20s like days off costs money. That's like, yeah, days off costs money.

Charles Shute:

Does that hurt his voice though to like, not be able to get a day break? They offer a break.

Sam Bam Koltun:

That guy is something else. I don't understand how he does it. Now granted, on the tour that we just completed, he lost his voice a couple of times. Granted, who knows what that could have been from, you know, we were traveling in November, in places that are that are colder. So in June, he didn't lose his voice at all. Usually on a on a long, usual faster pace to get to her, which is usually eight to 10 weeks, he'll lose his voice like kind of once, like a weekend, and then Oh, come back. And I'll just sound like lemme for a couple days. But now that's he told me the most that he the most shows he's ever done is 38 shows in a row. The most I've ever done with the band was 14. And the most that as Vaughn Johnson who came before me, he told me did like 21 in a row.

Charles Shute:

Wow. But you guys were able to tour and it made sense. Because I know a lot of bands like like warrant and probably Brett you could speak for great white but don't a lot of you guys you just do these like weekend flying dates where you'll do like, you can just fly in and you don't even have to bring it they have the drum set there for you and stuff because that was was my question was like, how do you bring the drums if you're flying in, but they have a drum set there that you can use? Yeah,

Brett Carlisle:

they usually have like backline and then the drummer will just bring like breakables like cymbals, the snare, they want their pedals stuff like that. But yeah, backlands provided. So hopefully, whenever you fly in to wherever you're going, they have read the list and have everything that you need there. If not, it might be like, Oh, we couldn't get that there's this or you know, there's there can be problems like that. But it can be pretty convenient whenever you're doing fly dates two or three in a row. And it's just me it's not like a long tour. Because

Charles Shute:

you have you done tours with great way if you guys actually tour is it more just flying dates?

Brett Carlisle:

We've we've talked about it, a few of the guys want to so maybe something will happen this year, but we're used to fly dates mostly.

Sam Bam Koltun:

Yeah.

Charles Shute:

Troy, you've looked at some of these numbers because you've kind of helped manage some of this stuff, right? Yeah,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I mean, it's it's getting more and more expensive for for low level mid level bands to tour even the heavyweights. I mean, think about the anthrax and how many tours have been canceled, you know, going over the Europe, they're just like, we were not going to make any money. You know, you've got visas, taxes. In the States, buses are the prices are expensive, everybody's getting paid more, the gas is higher, the air fares higher, the only thing that's remained the same is musician wages that has not gone up. So in this inflation, you know, everybody's paying more for everything else. But you know, when the band comes, you know, they've been playing the same place, they still want to pay the 1500 bucks, it's like, hang on a second man, every time we play here, there's 350 people here, your capacities 300, and you want to keep paying us the same wage, well, you know, then they'll complain about how their food costs are more and everything's more, but you know, the musicians are the only ones taking a hit. So that's why there's been, you know, big advocacy for like merch rates at venues to either go away or lessen and, you know, Live Nation and the all of these House of Blues is recently in this took some heat from some industry insiders was that they were not only paying some of the support X money, but they were not going to take any percentage from the merch. And so everybody's kind of hailing Live Nation for being this doing this generous, generous thing. But it was really only until the end of the year, so it's gonna be about eight to 10 weeks or 10 to 12 weeks, and then they're gonna go back to tagging 25 30% Whatever their merch rate is. But some of the independent venues are now going, well, now you're making us look bad, we need to get that 15 or 20% from those bands, because we don't have the backing of it, you know, so now you're squeezing the end guy, you know, because I don't want to play your club, because you're going to take 20% But the House of Blues isn't? Well, after 2024 they will again but you know, it's it's it's just crazy. You know, and, you know, kids don't be a musician, but maybe be a tech or be a bus driver. That's where your money is at.

Charles Shute:

That's the idea. It seems frustrated. It's sad, because I love music, and I want to support everybody as much as I can. But it's nice to do these kinds of shows. pull the curtain back a little let the fans know. And like what are the best ways to support bands besides buying merch and going to see a show?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Well, I mean, those are obviously the top two and, you know, maybe sharing your minute long cool video. You know, the meet and greets are helpful. And I think a lot of bands are getting creative with meet and greets now, instead of you know, taking a photo in the in the kitchen of the bar and grill, you know, with the dude making pizza behind you know, they're offering packages where hey, come at five o'clock, you'll get to see the soundcheck you'll get access to merch that we don't sell to everybody else. And then you go get dinner and then come back and see the show. So you get freebies or hey, we're doing a dressing room acoustic thing for you know, 15 minutes for no more than 10 people. So bands are having to get creative to come up with new revenue streams in and around touring, you know, so I mean, they're selling everything you know, and and unfortunately you have to you got to make up for those percentages that merch companies or I should say venues are taking for merch sales, and you have to overcome fuel costs and travel costs and you know, paying for your help because you know, bands gotta get what you paid for. So you got to make sure you take care of your help, too. That's out there helping the cause it's expensive.

Charles Shute:

Yeah, you guys want me then Brett Sam?

Sam Bam Koltun:

Yeah, that's it set it all really savvy to get more creative with, with ways to try to make money and try to I

Troy Patrick Farrell:

think have a date with Sam, you know, you know, bid 150 bucks. Plus you have to buy the dinner. You know, whatever. Whatever it takes.

Charles Shute:

That's a coveted a package there. Yeah. I mean, it really is like it's creativity. It just, you see, some bands are better at this than others because some bands are like, look, we're just artistic. We just want to play music. And the other bands. I mean, like I think kiss is like they're the ultimate like they put their logo on like everything from, you know, mugs to coffins. And so it's just like, but it's smart. Because, you know, they're probably doing okay in this in this economy.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Well, I don't know Alex Jones. Well,

Unknown:

Gene Simmons is one of two things one dumb son of a bitch or he's one evil bastard.

Charles Shute:

I think it's both I guess I'll say it's been great. I'm gonna say we'll go through too. If you guys have any other concerts that you want to give a shout out to the bands that you saw this year but I want to say yeah, I saw faster with love limbo. That was a great show. I saw great white and slaughter. That was a great show. I saw the Foo Fighters was amazing. Skid Row and Buckcherry was also good and then probably the Best show I saw this year just because I was such a fan when I was a kid, and I never got to see them was ugly kid Joe, I highly suggest seeing that band, whether you're a fan if you're not familiar with them, but go check them out live Whitfield crane, the singer is amazing. I mean, he sounds like he's like 22. He had all the notes. The band sounded phenomenal. And the cool thing about seeing a band like that is like you're seeing them really like up close. You're not like in the nosebleeds or whatever. So those are my best concerts of the year. Troy did you have you said the Eddie trunk When was your your favorite? Because it

Troy Patrick Farrell:

was it was just so fun. Because it was, I mean, you got 20 different artists up there in a three and a half hour window, all mixing it up. And that was that was really cool. Plus, everybody was great. It was great. It was a very cool event. You mentioned Skid Row saw them recently opened up for scorpions, and then a good fit Joe, they're actually doing the next residency there their support for scorpions in Vegas, which is kind of an odd pairing, you know, because ugly kid drove doesn't really come from mean, you know, Scorps or 70s 80s band for sure. ugly kid Joe, I don't think fits in at all. So it's an interesting pairing there.

Charles Shute:

Have you seen them live though? No, I've

Troy Patrick Farrell:

not not a good kid. Joe. They,

Charles Shute:

I mean, we can do like Judas Priest and Motorhead. I mean, he loves that kind of stuff. So I think it'll, if you I think you should go check it out. I think you'll be surprised it's there. They're good live and they they will fit with scorpions, especially if they tailor their setlist to fit with it.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Interesting. Yeah, I will go check it out when I saw Scorps when they did their last residency here, and it was great. You know, I don't know that I go see them again. But I go see ugly kid Joe. Not to be confused Pretty Boy Floyd. Alright, so concerts 2023. Donnie V was back sadani here in Vegas. Did a two plus hour show here accounts Vamped. And you know he's he's back. I think he's got a good band behind him. And he sings great. And of course, he's got great songs. last in line I saw they had I don't know if their new album came out this year, their most recent things. So yeah, so that would be another honorable mention. I thought they were great. And to see those guys again, because my first concert was do and rough cut and do was Vinnie apathy. And Vivian Campbell. So those guys are still in last in line. And that was great. Roxanne, a great band from the 80s didn't hit a lot but have now resurfaced putting out a couple albums. They've had George Lynch, Doug Pinnick. Many others interact with them and come on their videos. Roxanne is a cool band. They're one of those bands that like never made it but should have. So definitely check out Roxanne very very cool band. If you're familiar with like the metal shops, which the one in LA became still Panther, the Boogie Nights the M 80s. There's a lot of these bands all around the country. The singer of Roxanne that's his baby that's a thing called Perfect World which he's had forever so if you've if you see metal school or metal offshoots, a metal shop or the M 80s. Or Boogie Nights. That's his his project. Dirty honey. Number two saw them live for the first time in Vegas and man what a show. It was awesome. Great band. Go see them and then the Eddie trucks 40 It's just was so cool. Because there were so many artists there. All in one room. It was pretty damn fantastic.

Charles Shute:

That's awesome. Brett, did you see a lot of cool bands? Or are you just too busy singing yourself?

Brett Carlisle:

I've played with I mean, we did in three. We did monsters, rockers and everything. So I got to see everybody around. But the only band that I've gone out I think all year to see on my own. I had a friend with me. We went to go see Lorna shore and Huntsville and Willa Ramos his vocals live are killer.

Charles Shute:

And that's like that's that was really heavy from what I could hear.

Brett Carlisle:

Yeah, look, we'll Ramos he did a one take video of their song to the hellfire and it's he he kills it every time. He's like,

Charles Shute:

these guys are doing stadiums now.

Brett Carlisle:

They're doing really really big stuff. So I'm really excited for him. But so I had to go check them out because he approaches harsh vocals a little bit more like singing and the can his control and going from like, different registers and using different techniques and everything is very, very clean with it. He's not just like screaming. And it there's a lot of people that don't listen to that kind of music necessarily that can recognize the skill that it takes after listening to him and see in some of his lab stuff and like, oh, okay, so this is this is really cool. It's not just somebody screaming like a lot of people think oh, Um, so it's exciting to see that. So I'll have to

Charles Shute:

check that out. Sam did any shows or bands that you saw that stood out?

Sam Bam Koltun:

Actually, one was about a week and a half ago. It's this Canadian band called big wreck. Oh, yeah. I went to see them at The Troubadour. I was mostly familiar with the singers, solo music with his band Thornlie. But I had only known a couple big wreck songs, and a couple of friends texted me, they're like, are you going into this? And I'm like, Okay, I was gonna go. And I was so glad I did. It's one of the best shows I've seen in a very long time. Just amazing riffs, amazing songs. Amazing. The singer Ian Thornley is an unbelievable guitar player. So that was by far one of the best shows I've seen in a very long time. I saw Jerry Cantrell doing his solo ban earlier this year. And he is my favorite guitar player. And so that was really, really great to see. And saw the the power trip festival. And that was incredible, really, the the day most mentioning, at least in my opinion, was AC DC, and Judas Priest the second day, and it was unbelievable. I'd never seen AC DC before.

Charles Shute:

Oh, yeah, I saw them in 95 on the ballbreaker Tierra that that was cool. They have this big wall in this like crane was like swinging and then the ball broke down, the Wall came out. And then they came out and started playing. I was like, wow, that was like one of the coolest openings I've ever seen for a concert. Yeah, you guys get like, you try to get hookups when you go to the concert. So you'd like you know, you have like your manager or somebody connect you so you get you get a free pass or whatever, you just pay the regular ticket

Sam Bam Koltun:

manager. What's that? For me,

Charles Shute:

all these musicians, you know, see, I never asked for that stuff. But if somebody offers I never turn it down. But weird asking for that kind of stuff.

Sam Bam Koltun:

I did too. It depends on the thing. It depends if it's like, if it's a friend's ban, like if I'm going to see La guns, those guys, I mean, I live across the street from Tracy. So it's, it was something like that. But the power trip thing was was was quite, quite expensive. And yeah, it just it kind of depends, at least for me. If it's somebody that I'm good friends with and somebody offers, then yeah, but I'm also not really one to be like, Yo, dude, when it comes to your show.

Charles Shute:

Does it get annoying when people ask you guys for like freeze? Does that happen? I'm assuming that happens a lot that people like, Hey, can you hook me up? It depends.

Sam Bam Koltun:

It depends if it's somebody that I'm like, really close to like if Troy was to reach out or Brett was to reach out like somebody, you know, a peer friend, something like that, or somebody that I talked to all the time or play with or whatever that to me I have no problem with but when you just get the random message from some guy like yo, put me on the list. And it's like the least.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah. That's what it is. It's like the wait, Who who are you and why? You know what I mean? It's It is weird. People are pretty ballsy. When they ask for stuff you don't know them. Or they think because you're connected on Facebook, your best of friends. And it's like, wow, that's really inappropriate. And it's usually like this. Not like, Hey, I'm so sorry to bother you. You know, and then whatever the sob story is, it's like, you know, yo, I'll see you tonight plus one like, wow, really that confident? Very, yeah.

Charles Shute:

All right. Well, I think we've covered a lot of stuff. Is there anything else that stood out to you guys in terms of concerts, rock stories, new music, anything else? Going once, going twice. What about Jeff? People? A couple of people a few people died. Jeff back. That was a it was a big one that I mean, he was a very influential guitarist, was he Sam? Were you a fan of Jeff Beck?

Sam Bam Koltun:

Of course How could you not be Yeah, I mean there's I can't even really remember all the all the deaths because it's it's always kind of hard to think about the sad stuff and the bummer stuff. But yeah, just back Jeff back was really that was a big bummer when he died.

Charles Shute:

That one and and Wayne Swinney, guitarist of saliva, Oh, yeah. He was only 59 and I had had him on the show, like a few months before that, and he was super nice. I was like, I love saliva. I thought I mean, I still do. I think they're great. They don't have really any original members in the band anymore. But yeah, those two are the two of the big lay in terms of hard rock people that that stand out and probably miss seen a ton. I know Tina Turner, she's not really hard rock she died. Jimmy Buffett die. There's, you know, there's a lot of celebrity deaths every year there was

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Gary rossington from that's a big one. There's, you know, you just go through the list and you're like, Wow, really? I mean, it's, there's a lot, you know, and as we get older kids, you know, we're going to be seeing a lot more of that. So, you know, if your heroes are out there on their last tour, go see them for sure. Unless they're kissed because they're just going to be avatars anyway. That's

Charles Shute:

right. Awesome. Well, look forward to seeing you guys either on tour or just in town of Phoenix hit me up, let me know and anything else you need to promote? Now's the time to do

Sam Bam Koltun:

it. Chuck, if you want to come to the show, you would definitely be on the guest list. Okay,

Charles Shute:

I got on the guest list of limbo like so. They invited me and I was like, Okay, I mean, I would have paid the it was it was like it was an expensive ticket anyways, I would have put in I bought a shirt of yours. I bought a shirt of theirs. And yeah, not Jason. Sorry Jays. Yeah, it was fun. It was a good show. Nice. Nice. You guys have a you have another two are for 2024

Sam Bam Koltun:

with pussycat yeah, there's stuff that's, that's in the works for everybody. For for us for pussycat at least we finish off the year and a week at the Whisky on December 30. And then, I think we kick off the first thing that we do next year is the Monsters of Rock cruise. And then the first thing Dorothy does next year is the ship Brock cruise, which is in February. And then butter side is actually supposed to go on tour with the 69 eyes, which I'm extremely excited about very much love the 69 eyes and very much excited to get to tour with butter side. And I know Crossbone Skelly is going to continue releasing stuff. And what else am I missing? Doing a gig with the throbs at the whiskey on January 5, and hopefully more but yeah, pussycat, I know that we're going to try to route a tour around the M three festival, because we're doing that next year.

Charles Shute:

Nice.

Sam Bam Koltun:

So that's what I've heard.

Charles Shute:

Brett, you have some shows. Do you have a shows with great white all or nothing? And George Lynch?

Brett Carlisle:

Yeah, all the above. So it's gonna be a busy year. I'm excited for it. We'll see what all happens that the dates are just filling in. So it's

Charles Shute:

impossibly new music with great white, I think you've talked about right?

Brett Carlisle:

Yes, we're working on some Scotty our bass player. He actually I need to call him because he had a second back surgery today. He's got a nerve problem in his spine. And he's had it all his life and is getting fixed. And so we had to delay. I was supposed to be out there with them like all last week writing and stuff, but we had to postpone that. But yeah, me and Mark have written some stuff together. I don't know when exactly. We're going to be laying down tracks. But I know we've got the stuff. We're working on it. We're planning on it. And is too busy, busy. Awesome.

Charles Shute:

I can't wait to hear I love the stuff and if people haven't heard your cover of Motley Crue cruise law, is it Wait, which is

Brett Carlisle:

it? Loudwire that you do? Love it? Yeah. Live art. Yeah,

Charles Shute:

sorry. Yeah, that cover is people and you check that out to really see what you can do there. Because great wine is good too. But like you'd kill it on the Livewire that is so great. So tried everything to promote.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, you know, just doing my weekly live radio show. I've got some, some tour dates coming up with with Gilby and some other artists next year. kind of you know, just these days picking and choosing the ones that just make sense. And but really honing in on this, that and the other radio show that I do live every Wednesday 2pm Pacific at dirty radio, data FM, some upcoming guests for 24 It's going to be Craig Gass. Oh, he's awesome. Yeah, Craig's great. He's got some stuff happening in Vegas. So we're going to talk then only Logan will be coming on and I think we'll we'll find out some interesting things there. Because you know, lynch mob is on there, kind of what they're touting as their final tour next year, and they just released an album again. You know, lynch mob doc in both, you know, in 2023 putting out new music, it's astonishing, and it doesn't hurt that it's good stuff too. So support that stuff if you dig it, but yeah, just doing all that and you can find any and all of the nonsense that I do at drummer troy.com Yeah,

Charles Shute:

I'll put all the links in the show notes so people can just push a button and click on their phone or their mouse or whatever and and follow you guys on social media. You're on Instagram and Facebook and all that good stuff. So cool. Thanks, guys. Anything else?

Brett Carlisle:

It's good to see you again, man. Everything's doing well. Going well. You guys too. And yeah, good

Charles Shute:

to see all of you. Thanks for thank you all for doing that. We'll get this episode out ASAP and I appreciate it. Yeah,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

happy holidays. But right here on the panel and of course out there in YouTube land and all the best in 2024 We got a lot to be thankful for. So make the most of

Charles Shute:

it. Yep. Rock on. Yeah, man. Thanks,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

do Chuck. Thanks, man. Happy

Charles Shute:

New Year. Oh, by the way, guys, thank you for taking the time to listen to the full podcast episode. Please help support our guests by following them on social media and purchasing their products whether it be a book, album, film or other thing. And if you have a few extra dollars, please consider donating it to their favorite charity. If you want to support the show, you can like share and comment on this episode on social media and YouTube. And if you want to go the extra mile you can give us a rating and review on Spotify, Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. Finally, make sure you're subscribed to the Show on YouTube for the video versions and other exclusive content. We appreciate your support. Have a great rest of your day. Shoot for the moon