Nathan Macintosh (comedian)

Nathan Macintosh is Canadian comedian who has appeared on The Tonight Show, Conan and The Late Show with Stephen Colbert. He has a very funny new special out now called Money Never Wakes that’s available for free on YouTube. We have a great conversation about the special, life in America, mental health and so much more! Really interesting and hilarious conversation!

0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:36 - New Special & Clips
0:03:00 - Fights on Airplanes 
0:07:00 - Full Breakdown Of Society
0:13:12 - The Beatles & Today's Music
0:17:10 - Rick Flair
0:18:07 - Canada & America
0:23:05 - Comedy Cellar & Dave Chapelle
0:24:50 - Bob Saget, Gratitude & Comedy Scene
0:31:03 - Nathan's Path to Comedy & Obstacles
0:38:10 - Incompetence and Apathy
0:42:03 - Work Path & Life's Purpose
0:50:35 - David Goggins
0:52:08 - School Shootings, Mental Health, Media & USA
1:02:07 - Politics, WWE, Extremes & Middle
1:08:40 - Trying to Change The World
1:11:45 - Younger Generation & Mental Health
1:21:35 - What If President
1:26:01 - Ethics & Rich Guys
1:32:00 - Children's Charity for Nova Scotia
1:36:00 - Promoting Special & Social Media
1:37:24 - Outro

Nathan Macintosh website:
http://nathanmacintosh.com/

Nova Scotia kids charity:
https://www.gfns.ca/

Chuck Shute website:
https://chuckshute.com/

Transcript

Chuck Shute: 0:00

All right. Well, this was a really fun episode with comedian Nathan McIntosh is a new special out right now called money never wakes. It's free on YouTube, along with tons of his other content, lots of really funny clips. And this was a very fun and interesting conversation. It takes a lot of twists and turns and I really enjoyed chatting with him. I hope you guys enjoy listening. Just buckle up. It's a crazy ride

Nathan Macintosh: 0:36

first of all, I'm sorry that I'm late. And second of all, now I'm not a crazy person. I knew I was doing a podcast today.

Chuck Shute: 0:41

Oh, yeah, you're you're not crazy. Totally sane. And his mental health awareness month. I just read that. So

Nathan Macintosh: 0:50

that needs to be every month. You know, we need to lay off on the other months. What? months just eat your brain? Yeah. January every single month we give it a fuck about what we think and how we feel. But uh, anyways, this is great.

Chuck Shute: 1:05

This is so great. Yeah. So how are things going? How's it new special? How's the response from? Because I just watched it last night. It's so good. It's so funny. I think I saw a clip. So that must be how I found you. Because you've been posting clips about it. From

Nathan Macintosh: 1:19

my whole fucking feed right now. I was thinking about that. Today I go, it's just me wearing the same thing with different words overtop of it. I'm like, if somebody is new to this, what are they even think I'm just some crazy person who puts you don't I mean only posts from one thing?

Chuck Shute: 1:35

I think that's every comedian, though, isn't it?

Nathan Macintosh: 1:38

I guess I mean, I'm talking this the same stage, the same clothes. I mean, if you, you know, whatever. But that's

Chuck Shute: 1:47

what that's what you got to do is like, you got to do this special. And then you chop it up into little pieces. And then you promote the special with and your brand. I mean, that's how I found you. And so I think you're doing a perfect.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:59

Oh, okay. Great. All right. I mean, because some of the clips have done very well, and especially itself is doing a lot better than I mean, I kind of anticipated. I mean, you've put things out, you understand what that? Yeah, you know, sometimes how hard it is push that button, because you go? How are people going to receive this, or people going to receive this? What am I doing with my life?

Chuck Shute: 2:25

It doesn't make any sense. I'll post a clip. And it's funny because you post the exact same clip on YouTube, Instagram and Tiktok. And sometimes it gets 1000s of views on one and it gets like 100 on the other and I don't understand the algorithms or whatever. Doesn't make any sense.

Nathan Macintosh: 2:39

Yeah, they all seem to be different on all the things. But But yeah, I'm happy with it. So far. It got reviewed in the New York Times. It's just fucking wild to me. And like I said, a lot of the clips of doing super well. So So yeah, I'm happy with it.

Chuck Shute: 2:56

Yeah, well, I think it's I think the thing is, is it's it's so relatable like you have that bit about the the fights on the airplanes. There is a lot of it does seem like there's a lot of fights on airplanes. What do you have a theory as to why that is, though?

Nathan Macintosh: 3:10

Well, one, I think a lot of people just decided after the pandemic, fucking I'll fight anybody anywhere. Anytime. There's no nobody will tell me what to do to. And this is on because I do think it's crazy to fight on a plane. Like it's insane no matter what time it is happening. I mean, there's stories of like some they're fighting over the the window, you know, somebody wanted to close, somebody wanted it open, craziness. telling somebody to sit down all that type of thing. I will say, though, airlines have been pushing the public for a long time, you know, that, that that joke or whatever? I was like I could do. I mean, this whole thing could be managed because they could go here's people fighting and then also why they might, yeah, like, do I want to make this whole thing about sort of, what, 40 minutes on plane Fights For God's sake, but airlines also play a role. I mean, they take everything away, everything gets more expensive. Your your fucking knees are just jammed into a fucking seat in front of you. The amount of times you were assaulted at the airport before you even get on a plane. Just like getting there taking all your shit off, putting it all back on as fast as you can while somebody's like move. The amount of times you have to even have your boarding pass checked. There's people just in a hallway that are like let me see your boarding pass and who the fuck are you? Why do you even what do you do here? You're on a chair. You no hallway. Literally. This doesn't need to be you know. So the eighth or ninth time you're asked that question you finally get to the plane, somebody bumps into you It's fucking goat.

Chuck Shute: 5:03

Yeah, and don't you think it's interesting too I think they finally kind of like reel this back a little. But for a while there they were letting anybody with a giant dog or any sort of emotional support animal to come on the plane to and I feel like that was causing some some ruffling some feathers no pun intended, you know, like when you bring a giant animal and people are like, Okay, I gotta like sit next to this dog. I'm allergic to dogs and yeah, it's kind of chaotic.

Nathan Macintosh: 5:28

Yeah, yeah. The first plane back after the pandemic, somebody had a emotional support pit bull. Which you way really? Yeah. And it was just walking up and down the aisles legitimately, like legitimately just in the aisle. This woman was like walking through the aisle being like, you know, it has to fucking move or whatever you like. Good God. I mean, that's right below, you know, the emotional support fucking bazooka tank. I mean, this is a full on animal that could get on plane flight, you know? Yeah, that's one

Chuck Shute: 6:02

thing. It was like the Paris Hilton dogs. And those are like tiny. And those kind of made sense, I guess. But then when people have the giant dogs.

Nathan Macintosh: 6:10

I have one of those little dogs, a little chihuahua. And she's been on? I do. Yeah. And she's been on a bunch of flights. But she's fine. She's 4.8 pounds. She stays in a little. She slides under a seat. You know? She's there.

Chuck Shute: 6:23

Right? Exactly. Yeah, I've seen like cats and the cat carriers. And I think they give them some sort of drug or a pill or some southern cats just zonked out and still alive, I hope. But I mean, it's not like meowing and scratching and trying to get out or whatever.

Nathan Macintosh: 6:37

Yeah, another story is, you know, of airlines, fucking telling people that they have to put these pets in the overhead. And then they lay into the pets fucking dead. So that's another reason to punch a goddamn person in the face. You know, there's, there's many reasons for plain fights to happen. I just don't think they should. Because it's just a full breakdown of society. You know?

Chuck Shute: 7:02

Exactly. That's what it is. It's the breakdown of society. I used to work in the schools. And when I started, it was like, you know, cell phones that were not really a thing, you know, and, and so there were some kids that kind of just didn't really follow the rules and stuff. And then as phones came in, and just kids are just like, I mean, they were just addicted their phones, tell teachers to fuck off. I mean, it just got seemed like, progressively worse. Maybe it's because I'm getting older. But I was just like, I can't, I can't do this anymore. Like, I'm out. I'm tapping out. And now you're seeing those kids go into society?

Nathan Macintosh: 7:33

Uh huh. Yeah, I get I get well, first of all, I'll say this. And I have a question for you. I get very scared. And legitimately and I thinking about where we'll all be in 20 years, because I kind of feel I feel that we're going to be talking to a lot of people who were basically butter slide around, they asked machines to do things for them. And if you slight them in any fucking way, they'll eat you. there because there's not a lot of the internet sort of has done this as well. I feel when I when you look at somebody through one of your magic boxes, whether it be a phone or laptop, or whatever, this person is not real, right? So fuck them. People tell off people all the time, they don't know go to hell eat me. And I feel that people that grew up this way, or people that just do this constantly start looking at people in real life as that as well. And, and fuck them. Which, again, when I think about it, and like 1520 years ago, what is that? Where does that lead us? If things in society continue on this trend? I mean, are we out there just just just stabbing each other every time you walk outside? You have to knife somebody to get into a store or into your own car? Or you don't I mean,

Chuck Shute: 9:00

ya know, exactly, I mean, or I feel like yeah, it's gonna go one of two ways, either. Maybe the technology thing is gonna lighten up and people are gonna start interacting more in real life again, or it's just gonna go fully, like that movie, what's up movie with Bruce Willis surrogates, where everyone just does everything from home and they send a surrogate out into the real world to do all their stuff. I don't interact with people.

Nathan Macintosh: 9:21

Yeah, I think that's where we're going personally. And what what what grades did you teach?

Chuck Shute: 9:27

Oh, I was I was a high school counselor. And then I was an hour I started as a middle school counselor, and then I was high school. And then I got burned out and then I was like, alright, you know, let me go back to middle school because that's where I started. And maybe you know, I'll get like re energized and feel the you know, the fire again for this job. And I was like, oh my god, this is so awful. These kids are horrible. I can't believe I made it through my last year. I wanted to quit so bad. It was rough. And I'm like, Oh, this society, it's gonna be bad like, now but like in five or 10 years, it's gonna be really bad.

Nathan Macintosh: 9:59

I know. Oh, and you? I mean, middle school was bad when there was no phones. I mean, those are the groups of people. You know what I mean? Like, everybody, they make all these shows about high school and like, oh, there's bullying and who am I going to take to prom? Middle School? 1314 15 year olds, these are some of the worst fucking human beings alive. They just aren't we all went through it. We all live there. Yeah, it's weird, like, no empathy type of fucking odd. Growing up thing, man is it that I found that to be the worst, school wise, you know, and even today, when I, you know, you, when I when I see, there's just like some little and again, and I'm like I was you at one point in time, and I understand you're like, Fuck the whole world. I get it. But I don't know. I mean, we gotta live here. You know, I actually have a friend who taught for years, and it's why she doesn't want to have kids. She's like, I taught for years. It was a miserable experience. The kids would threaten my life. And then I would go to the principal, the principal, basically, like you can't send these kids to the office, you have to just try to sit them down and figure out why they threatened your life. You have to figure out what you did, but made a 13 year old wants to kill you.

Chuck Shute: 11:19

Well, yeah. And then the parents get mad. If you discipline if you try to discipline their kid, they come after you. It's it's I don't know. It's tough. It was it was tough as a counselor, because I usually was dealing with kids one on one, but teachers Yeah, when you have a classroom of 30 or 40. And then again, it's the phones, like you're competing for their attention, and like they're much more interested in whatever's on their phone than whatever you're teaching. They don't give a shit. So

Nathan Macintosh: 11:42

every everybody is, I mean, there's, there's somebody that will fucking dude, there's a guy right now, right? He's inside of a model. He's, he's having sex with a model, right? He's looking at the whole photo beat, and there's a half fucking second where it's like, what is going on over there? She's doing the same. We're all fucked me. We're all broken and gone and dead. And like, I don't know, you sound like the oldest person I've seen in this ship. But I kind of feel because this has always been a thing, right? In terms of older generations being like, it's all going to hell, I think when people will say in the 50s would have said this right when when TV started to come out. And like rock and roll was the thing. They were like, This is the devil's music. And these are just stupid boxes that make people dumb. Here's the thing, man, Chuck, dude, they weren't wrong. The problem is, though, it didn't happen as quick as they thought it would. It was a 5060 year fucking burn. But these last 10 years, man, it's like that it's these last 10 years are what they thought it was gonna be in 1952 or whatever. Because this, this now we are where we are in what they thought we were going to be in. Yeah, well, it's

Chuck Shute: 13:11

crazy to think about that. I know you you do some material about the Beatles and stuff and how you don't like the Beatles, but like when the Beatles came out? Wasn't that like, one of the bands that were like, Oh, this is the devil's music. This is gonna ruin society. And it's like, you look at that now and you're like, that's, like so wholesome. And like,

Nathan Macintosh: 13:27

totally down people holding each other's hands. I mean, it's a fucking submarine. I mean, it's like it's it's it's kids shit. I mean, they have some stuff that's not but I guess it was like the whole hysteria deal, right? Young girls and shit. Were running through their screens, ripping their fucking giant skirts. I mean, these skirts. In the 60s, you see some massive plaid, big pleated shirts. But as far as like, you know, they thought it was gonna, I don't know, make people do whatever but these last few years. I mean, it seems to be there's more like fuck you in terms of stuff. And also music is? dares. Sometimes I don't know if you feel this chapter. Sometimes I hear a song that's on and I catch what's being said and I'm like, What the fuck are we doing? How like, What the fuck is on? I'm listening to a 15 year old telling me they're gonna fuck my girlfriend and kill my family. Why is this in a store like hurt and I'm not I'm not some kind of like Christian prude psycho. But you just walk around sometimes you hear what's going on you go how is this just the soundtrack? To fucking live? How late all over the fucking place and how are we to think that this doesn't lead to people thought and fighting each other on fucking planes shooting each other stabbing each other. How are we just gonna pretend I It also again glaring at each other through magic boxes. I don't know, dude.

Chuck Shute: 15:03

I love when it's just like over the top like comical, like the song whop Have you heard that one went as pussy? I mean that song. It's like so, like, it just makes me laugh. It's like so over the top like, but I think some people were like taking it kind of serious. Like this is like, yeah, like, I want to I want to be like that girl. And I hope they're kind of I mean, I hope it's kind of tongue in cheek but yeah, definitely shouldn't be. Kids listen to

Nathan Macintosh: 15:30

Oh, you. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, I guess it's hard to say. I don't know, dude, like that one. That one is kind of like that's crazy to think that. Like, there's some people that say women should not talk like that. Because what if we all weren't back to school here real quick, right? Everybody's life probably would have been a little bit better if men weren't told in school that we're losers if we don't sleep with women. And I'm talking about obviously straight people here. And women are called horse if they sleep with men who the fuck one in this bullshit situation. I mean, we all lost, okay. And this is why something like this song comes out and everybody goes, holy fuck What the hell some woman wrap it up on her pussy. Yeah, nobody would even really give a fuck if if if none of these weird little stigmas existed you don't I mean, life could have been a much, much easier in some in some sort of a high school situation. If that these weren't the two odds. We were kind of pulled out. Does that make sense? I also feel like we just started this podcast and I started screaming. I love it.

Chuck Shute: 16:48

I love I love that I love that's what I love about your community. You just and then when you you get kind of angry your your voice goes to this like comedic high pitched thing that's like your natural voice or is that like a thing you do for the stage? If I

Nathan Macintosh: 17:03

mean when I get when I do get excited, and I'm talking my voice does that. You know like I get it. You get fucking excited about things. Like the like, again like these, like your trademark. I

Chuck Shute: 17:15

feel like it's it's I love it. It's great.

Nathan Macintosh: 17:17

Oh, thanks, man. Yeah, if anybody else doesn't They owe me 50 cents. It's like it's Ric Flair is Whoo.

Chuck Shute: 17:25

No, yeah. I just kind of discovered that. Even though I grew up in the 80s. I never really was into wrestling that much. But I know I follow this. Or I don't think I follow it. But they showed my news feed these clips of like old 80s like wrestling and a lot of Ric Flair stuff. And it's just, it's always out of context. I don't know what's going on. But he's getting really excited. And it's alerting.

Nathan Macintosh: 17:47

Yeah, I used to watch a lot of his stuff. A lot of it's been taken off the YouTube. But yeah, I've known about him for a long, long time, actually. Oh, God, this is so stupid. This is an action figure. Great player. That's on my desk that holds the fucking Nova Scotia flag. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 18:07

You're no you're not in Nova Scotia now, are you? No,

Nathan Macintosh: 18:10

no, I live in New York. But I'm from I'm from Nova Scotia originally. And

Chuck Shute: 18:14

I heard that you got a what do you got a green card to work there? And then you can apply for dual citizenship at some point.

Nathan Macintosh: 18:21

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I can apply I can apply for citizenship now and the only thing that really changes is that I could get to vote. Oh, you still got to pay tax. But the whole Tea Party was fighting for you know this clock suck and shit. You get taxed easily got no say in what happens around here. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, we have whop on the radio. I don't know. I can't vote. I'll just walk here.

Chuck Shute: 18:48

No, cuz like it is crazy, though. Like, are you? Are you familiar with a Canadian comedian? Simon King? Yes. Yeah, he's so funny. But I was talking to him. And he was saying it cost like $5,000 to get a visa to work in the United States. I was like, Oh, that's so crazy. That and I I've talked to bands and it's a similar kind of thing. If they want to tour like the US or go to Europe, and they're not from that country. They got to pay this money. Which is like so weird to me, because you're gonna be spending money when you come into the country. But it's interesting.

Nathan Macintosh: 19:19

Yeah, yeah. I think that the visa itself is like five or six and then a green card is a whole other deal. But um, you know, you're getting the I mean, back to wrestling here real quick.

Chuck Shute: 19:33

Oh, yeah. No, let's talk about wrestling. If no one's good wrestling fans, so

Nathan Macintosh: 19:37

that was gonna relate this to America. America is and I really should stop talking at some fucking point in time, not on a podcast, but I mean, who the fuck am i But I feel if America was a person, it is Vince McMahon. It is the greatest marketer of all time, because, you know, on the outside of America, what gets shown to be People tits, cars, rap rap

Chuck Shute: 20:05

stuff PC anymore?

Nathan Macintosh: 20:07

Well, sure, but I mean, it's supposed to be this is like the place dude. Oh fuck, dude, you're gonna come here and you're gonna get there's like 900 types of Pop Tarts and it's it's fucking sick dude. And then you get here and you go oh yeah, it's just another fuckin place that might be a little bit more miserable or less miserable than other places, you know what I mean? So making sense where we're from, by the way,

Chuck Shute: 20:35

I'm originally from Seattle, but I live in Arizona, and I've lived in Arizona since like 2008. So totally different states. But yeah, I like the sunshine, the weather down here more. That's pretty much where I move. But is there a big difference is that you notice from like, Nova Scotia in New York, what is the biggest things I

Nathan Macintosh: 20:54

mean, there's a there's a subway system here. I mean, there's still seagulls, there's still water, that part's still kind of the same. And people in New York are nice. You know, but everybody's just obviously got places to go. But people are nice and nice. Um, I've had conversations with people in bars or whatever, like people will talk to you. There's there's places where that doesn't happen. And I think people in other parts think that New York is just like, kind of the worst. But um, I mean, Nova Scotia, fuck, man. It is just, it's obviously just different. It's just a different. I mean, there's more people in Queens than there are in my whole province. The entire thing.

Chuck Shute: 21:39

So it's just a bit Yeah, cuz that's what Simon was telling me that he's in Canada. And he, there's just not as big of a comedy scene up there. He said, like the whole country is. I mean, if you've put all those people together, it's not as many it's like, yeah, like the comedy scenes in like New York and LA and stuff.

Nathan Macintosh: 21:55

Well, yeah. And also count. I think California legitimately has more people in it than candidate does. Yeah, country. You don't I mean, so you got to drive barren wastelands to then go talk to, you know, 80 people in a fucking that Legion, you know, but you're crossing a lot of Saskatchewan to get to those 80 people. And between you and those 80 people. There are no people. There's nothing. Right? It's deserted wasteland.

Chuck Shute: 22:21

We pretty much had to move to the states to for your comedy career.

Nathan Macintosh: 22:25

I mean, years ago, for sure. Now with the magic boxes. I mean, you might be able to just live in fucking Thailand under a goddamn boot. And film yourself and be the most famous human being on the earth. You know? Yeah. If you're good at tic toc and all that stuff. Yeah. But as far as like, years ago, definitely. When I moved here and for stand up, there's just there are just more clubs. There's more places to be there's more people here than you know, Canada.

Chuck Shute: 22:56

Yeah. Do you do the seller a lot. I saw I think I saw a couple clips from you performing there.

Nathan Macintosh: 23:00

I do. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 23:02

Is there I mean, cuz that's, I went there. I've been there once a woman in New York ones but God there was like bit isn't that the one where all the big name comedians will just pop in and like Dave Chappelle will just go out and then come in and do a set and

Nathan Macintosh: 23:14

yeah, totally. Yeah. i Yeah, years ago when I first started working there. He came in. And so I went to the manager, and I was like, Alright, so I'm bumped. Right? Like, sure. And she goes, No, he wants to go on in a minute. So it's gonna be you and then him. And I'm like, Okay. And it was at the village underground. So there's places for comedians to sit there the cellar. itself, the actual, it's not that you can't really hang out down there. Yeah, so I was I was like, oh, fuck, man, I gotta go on dish. Paul's gonna watch my set. I'm like, This is insane. So I go on, and there's a room like full of like, 200 people or whatever. And they're here, but I'm not paying attention to them. All I can see in the back is a fucking cigarette Ember light up every once in a while. And I'm just like, This man is literally watching my entire deal. This is so nerve racking. So do you change

Chuck Shute: 24:13

the set? Because you know, Chappelle is watching, like, I'm gonna give him bringing my best shit. Because sometimes, like you guys go up there and you're trying new shit out. But if I want to impress him, right or no, do you just say Fuck, I'm gonna do I'm gonna do

Nathan Macintosh: 24:24

Oh, I mean, I was trying. I was trying to just impress the building anyway, you know what I mean? Like, I hadn't been there very long. So I didn't change anything. But I was in my head going, this is completely insane. That, you know, this fucking cigarette is just lining up in the back. It's horrifying. But also whatever he he's a very nice, so.

Chuck Shute: 24:47

Yeah. Well, you said that one of the nicest people you met was Bob Saget. That's pretty cool that he was like, like, he helped you out a little bit when you moved to New York. Do you know anybody?

Nathan Macintosh: 24:58

Bob Saget is a I was truly like probably the nicest person I've ever met in comedy. So, I mean, I could do whatever. I'll tell you a couple stories here, none of them or whatever, but like, so I got asked to do this show. Very last minute, okay. A friend of mine messaged me. He was like, I'm supposed to open for Bob this weekend. But I can't do you want to do it? I go, of course. He goes, send a clip to Bob's people. He gives me some email. i Okay. i send a clip to Bob's people. I get an email back. They were like great. See on Saturday at this theater in Toronto. I get there. I walk into the theater. It's like this 1200 seat theater. Bob is on stage. tuning his guitar, right. So I go well, I'm not gonna bother him. I'm just gonna go downstairs very Canadian fucking thought. I'm not gonna bother anybody. Let me just go downstairs and wait for somebody to fucking scream at me or whatever. So I also Is it cool if I swear this one's just

Chuck Shute: 25:57

said Fuck, like, no one's looking loving people. I love when people ask that two

Nathan Macintosh: 26:02

years later, I should have a cigarette. I don't even smoke. I swear man, I should be a longshoreman. Well, that's

Chuck Shute: 26:10

funny. He's like I don't think you swear much in your in your stand up. At least the clips I've seen.

Nathan Macintosh: 26:14

i Well, it depends I do when I don't. I try. When I when I when I go to put something together. I try necessarily not to constantly, but it'll get to a point where I just go look, man, this is who you are. Fuck off. I can't. What am I going to do you know what I mean? But as far as like, something that's written and whatever, but um, so I walk in, I avoid them. I just go downstairs, somebody comes down, and they go, they just lean into my dresser and they go Bob wants to see you. And they said it like that. So I go, Oh, man, it's gonna be brutal. Like, well see with this goes, he's going to

Chuck Shute: 26:48

office or something. Yes. And

Nathan Macintosh: 26:51

I mean, it's his show. He famous man. He kind of say whatever he wants, right? So i i in my head before I get to a month and he's gonna say, don't talk about this. Don't do this. That type of thing. Okay, I walk up, he gets off the stool. He walks over to me. He's like, Oh, my God, man. Thank you so much for being here. I'm so appreciative. You do this show. And he goes, I really love your stuff. And I go, I go I'm like, completely taken aback. I did not think that this was how he was going to especially how that person was like, Bob wants to see you

Chuck Shute: 27:26

was just talking with you. Like he just Yeah,

Nathan Macintosh: 27:29

maybe. So anyways, I go I go you saw my stuff. And he goes, Yeah, and I go, I thought I sent it to your people. He goes, I am my people. He goes I just put like a little bit of a buffer. But he goes, I watched it and I liked it. I was like, wow, okay, so then I go. So anyway, so then I go back to my dressing room. And I'm just sitting there going over my set or whatever. And he he just leans his head and he goes, What are you doing? I go I just kind of go to my stuff. He goes where he kind of migraine room. So I go over to his green room just like you know, mine is like and it makes sense. There's nothing again it's just me so there's like it's like a it's like a dark room with one light and I got I got my stand up here.

Chuck Shute: 28:10

There's two green rooms I thought there's usually only one

Nathan Macintosh: 28:13

first lab second for bucks. eggless was there hanging out with these with trash, absolute, Nova Scotia garbage, buddy. He brings me in and you know, he's got a whole bunch of stuff and in there and he was super nice. And And anyways, whatever man there's, there was a few other things that happened that night and whatever. But I just really remember him talking about how appreciative he was. He kept saying how lucky he was. He kept saying, he goes man, the theater sold out tonight. He goes, I'm so lucky man. He's like, This is amazing. And he had a lady with him. And he goes, and this is my girlfriend, man. He's like, she's fucking beautiful. He's so lucky. He talked to his daughters before the show. And he gets off the phone. He goes, but my daughters are the best because I'm just such a lucky guy. Like he just kept talking about how lucky he was and how like, appreciative he was of things. And I don't know, man, it was it was amazing to see. A guy of his, you know, I don't know, he's just he probably he probably was the nicest person I met in in comedy for sure.

Chuck Shute: 29:16

That's cool. It sounds like he was really grateful. That seems to be the secret to happiness. But uh, you could do that at any I mean, even at your level. I mean, you've been on The Tonight Show, Colonel.

Nathan Macintosh: 29:27

What? No, no, no, it's just very funny. Like, even you even you have things to be grateful

Chuck Shute: 29:32

for. You're saying like, he's like, you're not so bad yourself. And also you're younger than he than he is. You

Nathan Macintosh: 29:39

know, I'm just I'm just joking around. But I think I think for any of us anywhere, doing anything. Being grateful is one of the things to strive towards. And it's very hard to to do it. Yeah, times. Well, you were saying

Chuck Shute: 29:55

because I think I heard you talking about the comedy scene how like there's three levels and that is It's really interesting to now or not analogy, I don't know, like, whatever you would call your when your description of the comedy scene, the first level is like, people are broke and you don't make any money. And then the second level is like, Okay, you're making a living living doing this. And then the third level is like you're one of the most famous people on the planet.

Nathan Macintosh: 30:17

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hopefully. I mean, there might be another level between those that I don't know about. Which is like, grim death? I don't know. But I mean, it just seems to be seems to be what it is. There's a lot of people working. And then the famous is the very famous people.

Chuck Shute: 30:35

Sure. Well, because I think there's people that are paid comedians, maybe road comics and stuff, but I mean, to do like, to be honest, Tonight Show and Conan. I mean, that's, that's definitely a high level, right there. I mean, maybe you're not one of the most famous people on the planet, but there's not a lot of people get turned down for that stuff, too, right? Yeah, I'm

Nathan Macintosh: 30:53

not even the most famous person on this zoom call. But um, the, ya know, people do people do and those things were very fun to do. I mean, I kind of wanted to be a comedian since I was 10. So I've watched as much of it as I possibly could growing up and seeing the late night shows, I always thought, wow, it'd be so cool to do that. And it just seems like the farthest thing away, it doesn't make sense. How you how do you go from? You know, I'm sitting in Nova Scotia, I'm eating cigarettes in the woods? How the fuck do you go from here? To that doesn't make sense. So I did always kind of want to do those things that I'm happy that I'm happy that I'm happy to have been able to do some of them.

Chuck Shute: 31:43

So how did so you? You didn't start comedy at 10? You decided that's when you wanted to? When At what age did you start with? And how long did it take you to get to the point where you gotta you landed a late night spot or something that was like a big break in your opinion.

Nathan Macintosh: 31:56

Um, I mean, the very first time I ever did stand up, and this is ridiculous, I was 16. In a, in a drama class, the teacher, teachers like alright, for the end of the year, we're gonna give you a she goes, I'm gonna give you some just things and pick one and then put it together for the class, right? And it was like, you know, read a poem, do a one man play a sketch with some friends or stand up. And I again, I wanted to stand since I was 10. So I got all these stand up. I wrote these jokes. And she wanted me to give her my script, or whatever. So I go up in front, about 12 people in this class, she's got my jokes. She's reading them before I even do. And I kept forgetting them. So I'd be like, Oh, that that new Superman, whatever, Spider Man movie, I can't remember what the thing was, but I'd forget. And I'd be like line. And she would, she would read the punch line. And then I would have to read it again to the class or say it again to the class. And I remember walking out of there going steps too hard. I'm not going to do that. I'll be an actor, you know, just a crazy 16 year old thing to think this thing is incredibly hard. This other things probably a little bit easier. I mean, they're both insane. They're saying things to do with your life. You know what I mean? to either one of them is not so new, but in

Chuck Shute: 33:22

some ways. Like, I feel like the landscape has changed so much. Like there's not just like, you know, I was talking to the comedian for him Anwar and if you know him, but he was like, yeah, so he's, he's done my show. He's from Seattle used to see him all the time. But he was trying to explain his his parents are like, from Afghanistan, like, you know, they want him to be a doctor or something. And he's like, they think like, either you're Tom Cruise or nothing. And he's like, yeah, there's like levels in between. And especially now with all the Tick Tock and all this stuff. I mean, so many TV shows and movies you can get. You could be a working actor, and you might not be famous, but you could still get paid and be a working actor.

Nathan Macintosh: 33:57

Absolutely. It's still an insane thing to do. It's

Chuck Shute: 34:02

how many people do you think that you beat out for these like, like, that's a night show and things like that like out

Nathan Macintosh: 34:08

buddy? I don't I mean, I don't I don't factor in any of that. I I am if I don't get something I'm like, I beat myself out if that makes any sense. And if I do get something I'm like, Okay, I put something together in a way that these people said yes to it. I don't I don't go 20 Other people fucking you know, it tried to get this and I beat all these people out.

Chuck Shute: 34:31

That's the insanity part you're talking about. It's like the obvious ending

Nathan Macintosh: 34:35

part I'm talking about. Oh, well, first of all, a little bit of that insanity. Yes. I'm more talking about to when you when you first start to go, Okay, I'm gonna do something creative or whatever, you know, you factor in the stuff that you like to do with it, the writing the performing whatever, you cannot really factor in the years down the road and the mental toll that these things take on you and the the beatings, man, the brutal beatings you have to take from crowds, Booker's festivals, all of it. It's a lot It's taxing. And I think that's the part that's insane. It to, to to do to one's self not not with with no. There's nothing that's going there's no one there's stability, there's no, there's no guarantees of any of it you could be, you could be one of the greatest dude, I've seen some of the funniest fucking things that nobody will ever see. Because it didn't become famous or big or whatever the hell. Who knows why, but but Um, anyways, it's an insane thing to do. So I guess I'm just I don't know, talk people out of it. I don't know. I don't know why I'm saying these things. But it's anything creatively seems like an insane thing to do. But I don't know the

Chuck Shute: 36:04

highs and lows. It's a roller coaster. Yeah, because there's definitely hot you talk about all these terrible things. But obviously there's the highs too. I mean, you've played you'd been late now you've I'm sure you've got some great sets, opening for Bob Saget. And all these things are amazing.

Nathan Macintosh: 36:20

It's just absolutely offensive. I could really just

Chuck Shute: 36:23

because you were saying all the negative things. I'm trying to say all the positives too, right. I

Nathan Macintosh: 36:27

mean, ya know, there's lots of there's there's lots of positives you, you decided to do something with your online. It's a thing you've dreamed about doing? Yep. That's the

Chuck Shute: 36:41

I mean, it's amazing. Just the feeling of making people laugh. That's,

Nathan Macintosh: 36:47

again, that goes away. Man that goes away. It's dead. I hear people laughing and I don't even it doesn't register anymore. I don't even I don't even feel it. It doesn't even I'm kidding, Chuck. I mean,

Chuck Shute: 36:58

yeah, like knowing that you're you're bringing laughter I mean, today, I was binging your stuff, and I was cracking up. There's so many good clips, and you didn't you couldn't hear me laughing but that's why I'm telling you. So there's a lot of people out there that are watching your shit and cracking up and the world needs laughter right now, that's for sure.

Nathan Macintosh: 37:16

I think people are gonna say that till the end of time to it, I think, forever and ever, ever. People like the world leave net right now. The world needs laughter You know? Yeah, even in the roaring 20s. Everybody was getting sucked their pockets full of money in their life. Right now. But no, no, I mean, I do. Yes. making people laugh. And I mean, for me personally, I wouldn't be any job I ever had. I mean, this is what I do, man. I know. Things are whatever I yelping. So if I was an accountant, I would I'd be one of the funny people there. If I was a teacher. I don't know. I don't know. You don't I mean? So it's like, either decide to do it for a career, which is insane. Or I do it every day, in my regular life anyway, you know,

Chuck Shute: 38:08

no, you pick the right. I couldn't picture you doing something out. That would be stupid, I think. But I like hearing the stories of you working. The other jobs like didn't used to work at like Adidas, and the NW and Starbucks and stuff talking about do you ever work for the government? But or is it only just like,

Nathan Macintosh: 38:24

No, I never worked for the government? Why GSN?

Chuck Shute: 38:27

Oh, just because I mean, just because I work for the government. So it's interesting. When you see how the, you know, a government job is it kind of opens your eyes to some things and I don't know, just I was curious.

Nathan Macintosh: 38:39

Not not as a teacher. What was your What was your government job? Well, that's

Chuck Shute: 38:41

yeah, that's the government isn't I mean, don't you? Technically?

Nathan Macintosh: 38:44

I'm not. I guess it is. Yeah, that will be who pays for these things? Yeah. But I guess I wouldn't have factored it in like government, government. When I hear government I think. Jesus, I don't know, like a municipal building or or, or, you know, I don't know sometimes things like that. But obviously us teachers do I guess technically work for the government. That's a that's a government funded deal.

Chuck Shute: 39:11

You just see so much incompetence, but then I think you'll see incompetence in the in the corporations and the business sector too.

Nathan Macintosh: 39:19

Yeah, I mean, yeah, for the most part, if people are people, you know, some people know what's going on most don't. Everything is pretty. I mean, just see the guy who one of the guys who is like, the leaders of AI, walked away from it, and now it's telling people that he's scared of it.

Chuck Shute: 39:41

Now, that's doesn't surprise me though. That is some scary stuff, for sure.

Nathan Macintosh: 39:46

Yeah. But he's like, you know, for 50 years or whatever. This guy's like, we got to make AI and then they get to it. He goes, we gotta get out of it. So this, this fucking psychopath has whole time. Who wouldn't see This for what it was, you know, and I guess, same as in a, say teaching, the way that students are the way their teachers would talk to students or principals or whatever. It's all very now it's not, it's not, you know, how are we? How are we talking to these kids today? And how are we treating them today? That's going to set them up in the future for whatever. And right now, it seems to be from what you're saying. And from what I've heard other people say, they're, they're not because they don't want to get in trouble with either the kid or parents of the kid.

Chuck Shute: 40:33

Yeah, well, yeah, just seemed like, there was like, I mean, I don't want to make it painted. All bad. But it seems like there's definitely like a split. And the split seem to be growing. Like, there's not a lot of just like, average, like, see students, either a kid is like an A student, and they're on the football team. And, you know, they're, they're getting good grades, they're good at sports, or in these clubs, and they have tons of friends and they're straight laced, or whatever, or they don't give a shit. They're failing everything. And they're in the principal's office every day, and there's not a lot in the middle. So it's kind of, it's the ones that are like, don't give a shit that are just like that. That number is growing so much that that's the shit that scares me. I'm like, these kids are going to be going off into the world and like, what do we do? Like?

Nathan Macintosh: 41:16

Yeah, cuz the saddest part about that is the ones that don't give a shit need the most in terms of like, they truly need somebody to give a fuck about them. Like they really need to be reached. Because somebody I you know, for the most part, nobody has at this point time because they probably got, I mean, whatever. I'm speaking from my own kind of life. You got nobody around you that really gives a fuck, it's all kind of hell, you know what I mean? So you come to this place, how are you going to give a fuck you? But those are the people that kind of need the most because if they don't get certain things, I mean, wanting just drag a class down to society starts fucking you know, fighting on United flights. Yeah, too bad.

Chuck Shute: 42:03

So how did you with your experience? Because I know you grew up with a you know, you're single mom and you know, you share in bunk beds with your brother monies was a struggle. So how did you kind of like, decide? I mean, because you've you've had a great career for yourself? How do you think you didn't end up just going, Oh, I can't fucking be a comedian or something like that. I'll just go work at alzado supply or whatever. I mean, how did you

Nathan Macintosh: 42:24

get supply? That's how those there? No, I just did to sound like a good name. I mean, honestly, almost every day, I quit being a comedian. You know, there's some part of my day where I go, not every day, I won't say every day. But every once in awhile, like, What the fuck are you doing? Stop it, stop writing things on things. Go do something. I don't know what that would be. But I truly think solely because I decided when I was 10 that it's the thing that I wanted to do that it always it always gave me some kind of thing. Like I I started drinking when I was very, very young, from like, 13 to about 1718. Like, hard. I had an ulcer when I was 15, I had to take these fucking pills. And I stopped drinking. Because I started going to start going to this acting class, I had a part time job. And I was paying for this acting class when I was like 16. And I was in drama class in high school. And both of those things, I thought, well, this is what I want to do. So I don't want to fucking ruin myself drinking. So I guess I had some thing that some goal or whatever that kept me in some certain way. Does that make any sense? Because

Unknown: 43:46

exactly see that. And I think that's what's missing right now. Is like when I would work with these kids, and I, you know, I was a counselor. So I'd be asking, like, hey, what do you want to do? And like, a lot of them don't know. Now, hopefully, some of them get straightened out, they mature and they figure out what their purpose is. But that seems to be the biggest problem in the world right now, in my opinion, is that I think people they don't have a purpose. And there's a lot of people Yeah, even if they have a job, it's not really what they're meant. It would be like if you were still working at Starbucks or something, that'd be such a waste like you're meant for so many better things. And so I think there's a lot of people that are in jobs they hate or doing just nothing at all and they're not achieving their purpose. And then I think when you start achieving a purpose you're like, Oh, this is what I was like meant to do. This is like what I'm put on the earth for and yeah, you don't feel depressed it's all connected to mental health to like,

Nathan Macintosh: 44:34

I think Oh, totally. And that's actually another reason I kind of get scared of the future. And every time I say that I sound 80 or 90 but if if AI and robots which they will eventually take out everything. Everybody will be clinically flocked because I mean ever go to a town that used to have like a factory and then the factory left. You ever see those fucking people? Their teeth falling out of their fucking heads, they're limping. They don't have anything to do. Right to eat yourself, you start to like break down, people do need things to do. So if AI takes all the jobs and robots take whatever small jobs are left. I mean, they talk about UBI. And you talk to certain people, and they go, Well, that sounds great. I sit home, and the government gives me three grand a month or whatever, I don't go to work. I just gotta buy shit. Man, that sounds cool for like, three months. And then you're gonna go, this is life. I do nothing. Things are everything's done for me. I do nothing. I go on Amazon, I press Enter, shit gets thrown through my fucking window. And this is my whole life. I mean, that seems horrible. And also sorry to go back to what we were talking a second ago. I somehow feel these related but maybe I'm crazy. The I don't I think a lot of people don't necessarily know what it is they're trying to do. And I think some people who grew up in certain situations, think, I don't know, whatever. Think that maybe either a teacher or parents or somebody will help them with that. And I think a lot of times, nobody, nobody's going to help you. Yes, no, than anybody tells you that. Yeah, that's

Chuck Shute: 46:22

exactly right. Great advice right there. Nobody's coming to save you. Not Not? Not the government. Yeah, you got to figure this shit out on your own. I mean, there's people that will help you, I think you got to go out and seek out that help, I think,

Nathan Macintosh: 46:36

yeah, and you also have to figure out and decide what it is that you want to do. And it's harder. I'm if, if I'm being very serious, when I think about it now, like, my dad wasn't around, and my mom loved stand up, stand up was always in the house when I was a kid. And I remember just looking at it when I was a kid, and just I just fucking gravitated to it. And I mean, one day, you know, all this could turn horrible. And I fucking live under a bridge, drink my own piss or whatever. But it'll have a horror, a horrible story. But, but I was lucky in the sense that I don't know these, these things sort of happen the way that they happen and, and I gravitated towards the thing. You know, I remember meeting people in college, I even talked to a woman the other day, 24 year old who said she doesn't know what she wants to do with her life. And she keeps trying to do a bunch of things, to see if anything kind of sticks. And she asked me about me and I said, Oh, I kind of knew I want to do this since I was 10. And I don't know, to me, because it's me, I guess I don't really think of that as anything crazy. But she was like, That's fucking amazing. That's so crazy. I wish that I had been that way. And I have had that conversation with a few people over the years. And anyways, yeah, I think a lot of people out there trying to figure out what it is they got to do, but or want to do, but it's a it's completely on, on us, because there is a lot of people who, you know, there's people who their parents want them to be a doctor, now they're a doctor. And they would rather live under a bridge drinking therapists, you know, because they're fucking deep in a torso or whatever, because I don't want to be here.

Chuck Shute: 48:08

Right, exactly. Well, I think there's a lot of people that have those kinds of dreams, like yourself, like, oh, I want to be a comedian or something. And they go, no, no, I can't, that's not realistic. I can't do that. And then they don't do it. Or they don't get at least give it a shot and try it. And I think that's the time to do is when you're young. You say fuck it, I'm gonna give this five or 10 years, and then maybe after five or 10 years, you go, Well, you know, I'm not very good at this. Am I making any money? Whatever, I can't pay the bills, then maybe try some maybe you got to pivot. But I mean, that's maybe.

Nathan Macintosh: 48:38

Yeah. I don't know. Again, I think I was kind of lucky in that way too. Because like, there was nothing to fall back on. You know what I mean? Like, my mom doesn't own some kind of fucking forced forestry company. You know, there's nothing. There's no, there's nothing. So I was like, alright, well, and I remember working at when I worked at NW I talked to a guy who was 16 when I worked there, and a guy started working there who was like 35, something like that. And he was he had a degree in psychology. And he he just couldn't find any work. Which psychology is, you know, it's an interesting one. But in my 16 year old head, I went, Wow, he this guy did all the right things. You're supposed to go to college. You're supposed to get a degree and we're standing beside each other. Now. This isn't me judging him. But I thought oh, fuck, if that can lead right the fuck here anyway. I'll just keep writing shit on paper and screaming it at people in bars. You don't I mean, like, if all of this can come right here making a Papa burger? Bucket. I mean, you know what I mean?

Chuck Shute: 49:43

No, that's exactly like you ever seen that Jim Carrey speech where he talks about that father was like, was a really funny, could have been a really funny comedian, but he was too scared. So he took this accounting job, then he loses the job. And it's like, he's like, Yeah, you could fail doing what you hate. So you might as well fail doing what you love.

Nathan Macintosh: 50:00

Yeah, but Jim Carrey Yeah, Jim Carroll never ended up living under a bridge. Now he's gonna be okay. Don't pass even though he did grow up on a bus. Cleaning piss. He started that way. He grew up.

Chuck Shute: 50:13

Yeah, he grew up poor. I mean, I thought probably helped motivate him. I love those kinds of stories, the rags to riches kind of inspirational stories to me, like that inspires me. I'm like, oh, maybe this is stupid to think I could do podcasting, but maybe it could. I don't know. They're gonna give it a shot. Why not? Yeah,

Nathan Macintosh: 50:32

of course. Oh, shit. Real quick, two things. Yeah. Did you like the David Goggins book.

Chuck Shute: 50:39

I fucking love David Goggins. I mean, talk about inspirational Have you heard is have you read his story? Or have you heard that book? Yeah. Okay. So you know, yeah. So I fucking love I love I love his clips. Like, he's, I love He's like one of my dream guests. I would love to have him on my podcast. I would love to have him like in my head. Like, just every fucking day. Chuck Get the fuck up. Go to, you know, go to the gym. Fucking goat, sir. We're gonna talk. Like I need like that voice in my head like 20 471 of

Nathan Macintosh: 51:08

my favorite things of his. Um, I also just on a complete side note, I like Buffalo and a lot of people think I'm crazy for that. I like Buffalo and Buffalo has given me a lot of things. I love Rick James have forever. Way before Chappelle is fucking sketch. I love David Goggins. And I also love Grizelda. There's like, Buffalo personally, for some weird reason has given me a bunch of shit. But my favorite Goggins video, I think, and obviously, there's tons of them. He's running, obviously, and he's talking to these videos. Yeah, he's right. He's always running. And he's just talking about how it's like 100 and fucking 20 degree day, and it's the humidity is that like, 900 or something? And some guy drives by him, and it's like, Hey, man, why are you out here and Goggins goes because you're not, I love because you're not somebody has to be out here running. It's not you. Will be me. I just love that. Oh, also, my second thing to you is there's gonna ask, maybe this is too far, or big or deep or whatever?

Chuck Shute: 52:11

Oh, this is gonna be good. I'm excited now. And as a former

Nathan Macintosh: 52:15

teacher, okay. What are your thoughts on slug in all the craziness that happens with schools? Now? In terms of like, shootings?

Unknown: 52:36

Ah, that's actually a great question. I actually. So I don't know if you know anything about my podcast, but I do. I interview not just comedians, I talk to musicians. And I talk to authors. And since my degree was in psychology, I love psychology. So I've had psychologists on the show and actually had an expert who wrote two books. I don't think I have them here. I think they're in my other office. But he wrote two books about mass shootings. And we had a great discussion. Nobody watched it. Nobody knows who this guy is, he should be the most famous person in America, because every time there's a mass shooting, I feel like he should be on every channel, talking and explaining this whole thing. But nobody knows who he is. Because he doesn't sell, you know, the airtime or you know, he's not exciting or whatever. But his whole thing is, it's all about the warning signs. And almost every mass shooting, there's warning signs, and we just don't fucking know how to identify them. There's almost no I think if we had educate the public on that, that's, that's a huge piece of and that's just one piece of it. But obviously, there's other stuff, too. There's the whole gun thing. There's a whole security thing. But the whole mental health I think a lot and I think that's just mental health in general. I think we were just seeing the mass shooting to me is like, it's like the tip of the iceberg, right? It's like that's like the absolute worst. But then there's tons of people down here that are suffering that are in emotional pain every single day. They're just not shooting people. Maybe they're killing it. Maybe they end up killing themselves. Maybe they just die of a heart attack from stress. I mean, there's tons of terrible things and we just don't really like acknowledge it or talk about it. We only talk about the mass shootings that's like the worst piece of it obviously, but it's it's a greater problem that is just being ignored, I think and personally.

Nathan Macintosh: 54:30

Yeah, it just seemed to be being ignored. And also I think I hate saying things like this, I guess but specifically to here. As a person who grew up outside of America. I have a lot of America's meant to make you go fucking nuts. First. This is how I personally feel about this place it this is like this is meant to drive people insane in a weird way. The news is constantly first of all couldn't be louder anytime I've ever been at an airport. It's Jack. I don't know why is CNN couldn't be louder Fox couldn't be louder the news is on and an airport which I always kind of found crazy as is. The news is also just grim death darkness be afraid constantly. This place i Yeah, makes people go nuts as well, I think. No, you're absolutely right. designed this way, you know, because there's other places you can go and live that are calmer. They're just like, calmer to be in. But as soon as you land here, you just feel it. It's the food the whole fucking. I mean, do you even just the infrastructure, mainly drive on some of these highways and you go, okay, clearly, somebody somewhere wants me to be angry. Because there's a hole in this. There's a hole. There's a hole. I paid tax this year. I don't know where the fuck it goes. But this is a hole. This rip my car, right? The fucking half. You know what I mean? Like, how we're supposed to eat everything. I just feel that this place kinda is meant to drive people insane.

Chuck Shute: 56:12

Well, it's interesting that you say that. And I remember like, going back to the mass shooting thing. Like I remember the I think it was the 90s It was a long time ago. And I'm not I'm not a really a big fan of this guy. But Michael Moore made that movie Bowling for Columbine. Right? Yeah. And I don't think a lot of people saw it. But it was really interesting, because they talked about the shootings. And one of my biggest takeaways from that movie was that because he goes to Canada, do you remember that? He goes to Canada. And that's weird. Like he because I think is he Canadian? He's Canadian, right? Or? No, he's from Michigan. Oh, that's right. But he knew like because Canada was across the border. So I think he spent time there, whatever. But he goes to Canada interviews, Canadians, he's like, Oh, that's weird. Like, Canadians have guns. But they don't do the mass shootings like the US. He's like, what's the problem? And then he's like the answer in that movie. And of course, 20 years ago, so maybe things have changed a little bit. But not really, it was all about the media and how our media like hypes it up and like, makes it and that's exactly what you're saying where you go here. And this place is meant to drive people crazy. It's our media is just, it's so dramatic. Now, I used to see when I was a kid, I remember watching the news. And I was like, Oh, this is fucking boring the news because they would just report the news. And it was like, it's not that exciting. But now it's like, because of the internet and shit and tick tock and Twitter. The major news channels are like, Oh, we can't just report the news. Because people get that shit on Twitter. Like, we gotta say something. You know, crazy. We gotta get people riled up. We gotta gotta get people tuning in. If we say everything's great, and the world is fine, like, you're not gonna watch the news, right? So we got to say, like, the world is crazy. And it doesn't matter which channel you watch, if you watch Fox News, they're going to sell you a different brand of fear than CNN, but they're both selling you fear. And so I gotta tune in to CNN or Fox News. So they tell me what to do next. And I think it's all about it's all boils down to money, because they're, they want to make money from marketing and advertising and sales. And that's the whole America everything is everybody's trying to sell you something that I don't know if that's as big of a thing in Canada.

Nathan Macintosh: 58:03

Yeah, I think. Yeah, like health care and stuff. And I mean, yeah, I don't know, man, I just feel I just feel that this this place is designed to make people Fucking snap.

Chuck Shute: 58:17

Well, the weird thing is to is that as much as every everything is designed to make money, and these corporations, they want to make this money. But then it's like, what's interesting is that I feel like a lot of the just the average people used to be like a source of pride and work. Even if you're working in a in W or something, you're like, I'm gonna work hard so that one day I might be assistant manager, and now it's like, I feel like nobody gives a shit. In any job that you go into. It doesn't matter if you go to the dentist. Your second secretary there doesn't give a shit. Or if you go to get your car fixed. That guy working there doesn't give a shit anywhere you go. It feels like there's just no pride. Like nobody gives a shit. Now if I go to Mexico, like across the border, I go I go into a restaurant there. It's like, I mean, they are so grateful to have you and like, oh Senor come on it and like they treat you like a royalty. And it's like we just don't ever want to hear it's just like burnout just doesn't give a shit. That's what it feels like to me.

Nathan Macintosh: 59:10

Yeah, no, I can see that burned down I guess to Folsom. We were talking earlier about social media and stuff. I mean, there's just so much to look at and compare yourself to and and all of it that I don't know if that's gonna have some kind of a factor as well. Like, why give a fuck about your bullshit life when you're watching somebody, you know? With a big ass, you know? It's hard to care about that table when you're like, shouldn't be fucking this woman. What am I gonna do to focus?

Chuck Shute: 59:40

Now that's so true. So frustrating too, is like, I'm sure as you know, is like you're trying to get somebody to watch clips of your stand up. That's brilliant. It's really smart, funny stuff. But then you're competing with some woman with a big ass and it's like, that's got like 5 million views and all she had to do is just go out there and shake her ass and you're like,

Nathan Macintosh: 59:57

Yeah, well, not all she had to do so Gotta get it should we bought a certain way? Maybe she went down to Miami and paid for it. I mean, I'll say this. You know, good for her man. God lover dude. Because if it's not if it's not an asset, it's a I don't know, maybe some horrifying news story so you don't have to take that. Yeah, no, I think it's

Unknown: 1:00:18

okay to to, to try to. I think that's the other thing people are not doing is limiting their either social media or their time watching the news like it really does brainwash you. I think like, I catch myself I go, oh shit, I'm falling down that rabbit hole again, I'm, I'm getting too much into the news because it's all negative. And then I'm like, Okay, I gotta do something different. I gotta listen to some like, uplifting David Goggins shit, or some podcasts or things like that. And then it like, kind of like reset your brain? And literally like, oh, yeah, the world is great. I don't know what like it. I mean, literally, like, think about it. Like, if you didn't know who the President was, for the last, I don't know, 15 or 20 years, would you? I mean, you probably wouldn't even know what's or if you turn the news off. Like, I don't know that it would really affect your life that much. Obviously, during the pandemic, that was kind of a weird time for sure. But for the most part, it's like, I don't know that we need to know about every murder and terrible thing.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:01:12

Yeah, yeah. And I mean, you know, whatever. Maybe I've been kind of negative here points of time. But there are unbelievable things on this earth and in this world that are great and positive and good and reasons to be here and try to do good and I want to connect with people and all that kind of thing. You know, like there's there's a billion there's way more reasons to do that than there isn't the other ones. Are they have more of a poll? Like maybe then then the good ones, you know, even like you're talking about this guy who wrote the books. Most people probably he might not just be known because people don't want to talk about it. Because like, who wants to care about the fucking the reasoning we want to care that it happened? You know what I mean? We want to talk about this horrible tragedy and we want to argue with each other but should we ban guns Buck us should we watch Ted Cruz and his weird soup fucking face head? You know, I have I sometimes I feel bad about talking about anybody from here because I'm not born here. Yeah, Ted Cruz, however, was born in Canada, so I didn't know he was born on a military base in Alberta. How can he run for president then? How can he indeed Chuck I think it's because he's born on a military base, which is like technically American soil. It ain't technically to me. Ain't technically to me. I would have also been like, Excuse me, sir. Well, you're not born in Alberta, Canada yet thought but but anyways. Yeah, I don't know. Those things seem to be bigger deals and more fun I don't know is a terrible term but more fun for people to talk about and argue about then. Then whatever this man is, boy yeah, there's just

Unknown: 1:03:04

there's so much Division I mean, you talk about the Ted Cruz's I mean all those guys like they don't they all they do is fight each other. Like, I think I don't know maybe it was always like that, because I guess I didn't really use pay attention to politics until the last few years, but it seems like they used to work together and maybe like actually try to accomplish something now they just, they just fight and I don't know. And I feel like that's just like, that's all our country. We all just fight like why can't we just put our heads together and come up with some logical solutions that are win win for everyone. And that's Bucky,

Nathan Macintosh: 1:03:35

Chuck, that's why. Tell me how to fucking live dude. The backs are wrestling here real quick. Okay, wrestling in the Okay, so politics in the 90s was pretty casual. And I'm sure some of you be like, but Bill Clinton got blown cool dude, if that's the biggest thing, if that would have been the biggest thing that's going on the last couple of years. Hurray for us. However, it was not much rather go back to a day when a guy's getting sucked you know, but anyways, that's kind of what whatever that's the biggest thing was going on. But politics is like what you're saying kind of like pretty boring. A man would come out and say some stuff whenever wrestling was the exact opposite. Wrestling was tense and chairs blood and death and and hell it was like it was craziness. They call it the Attitude Era was all hell. Wrestling then went into the PC era, which is no blood. No swearing, no tickets, no cheer shots. Politics went for wrestling. Yeah, oh on this woman's a whore. That's a dog Facebook and piece of shit. This guy's a liar. I didn't try to take over this building with my people and then yell at all of you that you're fucked. I mean, it is wrestling and whatever. I remember talking about this at the time. I I used to do Red Eye on Fox. And we're gonna talk about regular like, people in the back like we're talking like I don't know names some people that you've seen on TV who are Republican people in the greenroom, regular humans. I've talked to them and I'm like, Hey, how are you guys whenever it seems we get on TV, then like everybody should have a gun. Scratch that everybody should be a gun. Everybody's legs should be guns, their arms guns, their faces a grenade, and just the things they would say you go Holy shit. And I remember this is when t Diddy was running for president and I was talking about how I go guys, this is all wrestling this man. He comes down an escalator. He's got his his fucking his bank statements. I mean, this is this is this is wrestling for God's sake. I go and he's in the WWE WWE Hall of Fame. I go, I saw it. I was there. I watched him be inducted in New Jersey. 2012 Wrestlemania 29 Fucking MetLife Stadium. And they'd be like, shut up, boo. And then we'd go to commercial. And I'm not lying. Every one of them will look at me. And they go, you're kidding about that. Right? Like he's not in the WWE Hall of Fame ago. Yes, he is. I saw it happen and these statements and this person and these chants. I'm like, this is wrestling? What the fuck? Are we talking about?

Chuck Shute: 1:06:24

The voice Correct? No, you're exactly right. I mean, but it has to be on both sides. It's got to be dramatic. Or people don't. I mean, probably some of them the my favorite. The I don't like politicians. There's a few handful that I'm like, oh, that person actually has some really good ideas. This person is actually really smart. Those people never, nobody even has ever heard of them. They don't get anywhere in politics, because they're not theatrical. And they're not dramatic. It's always the people that are the craziest the Marjorie Taylor greens and the AOCs that are saying the craziest shit and you're going, really, and they have like millions of followers, and they're super popular.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:07:04

I don't know. Because the middle, the middle doesn't sell tickets. And the middle also, I feel gets tired. So because if you're in the middle, right, and you'll listen to somebody on the far, far left, who's like, I think my three year old is a unicorn. And then somebody on the far far right who's like, again, we should we should build an igloo. Oh over America so that nobody else can ever get in here again. And I feel people in the middle just sort of go bucket. But there's too much bucket. You know what I mean? Because nobody nobody with any sort of reasonable sanity speaks or speaks enough anyway? Because I guess one Yeah, people don't pay attention because it's not interesting. Or to these people in the middle. Just go Alright, man, I can't deal with this shit. This is too much. I'm just fucking I'm done. You guys eat each other? I'm going to be over here. Carl's Jr. You know what I mean? Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 1:08:04

no, I agree. Yeah, I used to think like, I used to my, that was kind of my theory. I was I was always in the middle. And I was kind of just like, I don't, it doesn't really matter. And then I feel like, like, during the pandemic and shit. I was like, okay, shit is getting weird. Like, this is when I'm like, I guess I gotta start paying attention to politics now like, but I tried to cut myself off. Like I said, otherwise I go to go too far down the rabbit hole. And I'm like, this is depressing. I don't I don't want to I don't need to know all this shit. It's a lot of it's just the same stories recycled over and over again.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:08:37

Yeah, totally. And again, it's like people just, I don't know, try to do my

Chuck Shute: 1:08:41

part. I have the mass shooting expert on my podcast. I'm like, Okay, this is going to change the world. That's what I got in the first place. Oh, I was 90. I was Columbine when Columbine happened. I was sitting in my apartment in college. And I was like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna solve this problem. I'm gonna be a squeaky clean Er, yeah. And I was like, I'm gonna get these. If these kids were at my school, they would not have done this. I would have saved them. That was stupid. was a dumb idea. That's what I wanted to

Nathan Macintosh: 1:09:07

do while thought Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 1:09:09

but I think yeah, I was just gonna say I think I can. I was hoping that I thought, I think maybe I can affect more people with something like a podcast, I can have people on, we can discuss ideas. And you know, I can reach more people this way. Because I was I obviously failed as a school counselor. So trying something different. You didn't

Nathan Macintosh: 1:09:29

feel as a school counselor, you just switched the, the the delivery system. Me and somebody have talked about this a bunch in terms of comedy. This is why people put stuff online as well. If you ask for a council, the city be more but let's say you're a comedian. Okay. And you talk to 200 people a night, right? Every night. How long do you think it takes you to reach a million people?

Chuck Shute: 1:10:00

Um, 200 people that's like a math problem.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:10:02

Just take a guess I know the answer. Just take 100 people a night to reach a man long does it take you to get to a million people that you have reached with your comedy?

Chuck Shute: 1:10:12

What would that be? Like? See? Is it 50,000? No,

Nathan Macintosh: 1:10:18

he doesn't want

Chuck Shute: 1:10:21

50,000 times 200. Is that a million? No. Yeah,

Nathan Macintosh: 1:10:26

whatever. It's sure it would be 13 years.

Chuck Shute: 1:10:30

13 years? Okay. Two years. 1000 appearances of 200 people, right? Yeah,

Nathan Macintosh: 1:10:36

yes. 13 years to reach 1 million people. Okay. And so as a counselor, how much how much is that? Now? That's like, you're talking to 120 people a day? Jesus, I mean, it's gonna take you a billion years. Okay. So something like this. You could potentially have a clip from something or the podcast itself, the whole thing, reach a million people. You know, I'm saying, so I don't think you've done anything. I don't think you've failed. As a counselor, I think you have shifted it into a different thing now, where you failed as a counselor was talking to me. I have very little to offer the universe. But But no, I was having that. No, absolutely. But as far as having that person on, especially when this is why you started the getting into counseling at all, which is pretty crazy story do. Having that person on this platform is is a bigger thing potentially than bringing him into your school?

Chuck Shute: 1:11:43

Oh, yeah, for sure. Well, I mean, it's like it's something that we as adults need to take care of. It's not I mean, we need to help the kids. But it's not. It's not like we're going to put the problem on the kids. Hey, kids. I mean, it would be nice if we could educate kids on how to look for something. We need to educate the whole America on how to look for these warning signs and stuff. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, one thing, going back to the shooting thing, though, it is interesting, I thought I read something about how Texas raised the age to buy a gun to like, 21 or something like that. Here's one thing where I, you know, I'm pro what does it second amend whatever? Like, I'm not like, I don't love guns, but I feel like yeah, people should have guns. But kids, I think you raise it to 25, maybe 30, maybe 45. That I mean, this generation should not have maybe 70,

Nathan Macintosh: 1:12:34

maybe 80. Maybe right on your deathbed. Does. Anybody want to get out? Before you get out of here? No.

Chuck Shute: 1:12:43

Generation, but I don't know if it would I mean, I'm sure it would probably cut down. I'm sure some kids are going to find a way to get it anyway. But I mean, if you raise that up, these these kids, they they're prepared to deal with guns. I don't know that they're most of them don't drive. Most of most of the kids. No one when you when you and I were kids, you probably got your license when you were 16. Right? Yeah, yeah, these kids now they don't, that no 16 year old has their license. They all just take Uber.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:13:11

I drove right to a gun store to and I bought bought as much as I could carry. No, I mean, yeah, it's certain things gotta be done. But then there is also the argument to that people are gonna be like, well, criminals are gonna get blah, blah, blah. And it's like, Alright, so we just do nothing then. But, but it does seem to be now. Man, things. These things happen in such a degree that

Chuck Shute: 1:13:37

yeah, no, I agree. I mean, I don't disagree with gun control, or background checks or any of that shit. But ultimately, like, Okay, you got to think like if you're a kid, or an adult, and you want to fucking take out a bunch of fucking people. Yeah, the gun is probably your easiest go to answer right now. But yeah, if they took away all the guns if they found a way that magically they could seriously get rid of every gun, like what that doesn't really take away the homicidal urge right? I mean, so then you What are you gonna have people driving trucks through crowds you're gonna have like the Oklahoma bombing shit like the Boston bombing the fucking what else like a fire or something? I don't know like people don't there'll be some somebody else set the precedent and it'd be like, This is the new thing I'm gonna start sending a bunch of Molotov cocktails through windows of a daycare and then that'll be the new and then everyone will just copy it and I don't think that's really getting to the root I think the root of the problem is why the fuck do you want to kill a bunch of innocent people like that's disturbing that's what I that's what I want to get to the root of why do you have this and again I think it goes back to to is like people are lost people are stressed out they don't haven't found a purpose like I guarantee you nobody is put on this earth is a purpose to hurt and kill a bunch of other people. That's just not in the cards.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:14:54

But what Dahmer

Chuck Shute: 1:14:58

Dahmer serial killer

Nathan Macintosh: 1:15:00

Yeah, yeah, I

Unknown: 1:15:02

think it'd

Nathan Macintosh: 1:15:02

be a put here to do that.

Chuck Shute: 1:15:04

No, I think he went down a dark path. And I think he could have in a different scenario. You know, I mean, you know the whole story right? Did you watch the show?

Nathan Macintosh: 1:15:15

Yeah. And I've also like, fucking read books about him before that he can't tell you this. I was really just poking around. No,

Chuck Shute: 1:15:23

dead serious. But Dahmer I mean, that's a perfect example I worked with these kids. Not obviously not Dahmer, but I work with kids for 17 years. And you see it so like what happens like his, his dad basically says like, fuck it, I'm out right and ditches him and then the the mom, why didn't she leave to cheat when to go with a guy

Nathan Macintosh: 1:15:44

or had some fucking problem, right? Something?

Chuck Shute: 1:15:50

Something? Yeah. Anyways, both the parents just say like, fuck it, I'm out. They left a kid by himself. I mean, this kid is hurting. And then he discovers alcohol starts getting fucking hammered. And then probably just had this rage like building inside of him. And you know, and then he killed somebody. And then he got addicted to that feeling of like that adrenaline or whatever it was. And then he just kept fucking doing that, like I think he could have there's if you ever read the book, I forget what it's called, like the psychopath next door or something like that. I always forget I always get those two confused sociopath psychopath. Anyways, like, like they say, like, one in five or one in six people is technically like a sociopath. Right? So, but there's a lot of people that were that it actually benefits them, like, think and feel like you're a surgeon. Like if you got really emotional and you're like, Oh, my God, like this person died, like, I can never go up. I can never be a surgeon. I'm way too emotional. But people like that they kind of need to be, like, be able to turn off their emotions like that. And just, but they're productive citizens if they're, I mean, hopefully they're good surgeons, and they're saving people's lives and things like that. I mean, that could have been Dahmer. And he was I think he was a medic in the Army. He could have gone down, away or he he was into the blood and the guts and all that didn't grow some out, right. I mean, he could have saved people.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:17:08

Let's try. Let's try not to sympathize with let's not go down this road. I was really just walking around when I said when I said Dahmer, I should not have said Dahmer here.

Chuck Shute: 1:17:23

That's an extreme example. But I'm just saying, and maybe I'm totally wrong. I mean, it's very possible that he was just born to be a he was a fucking psychopath. And he was just gonna be a killer. No matter what he did in his life, no matter what happened, where you put him, you could have raised him with a perfect family and a rich neighborhood and he still would have just had this strong desire. Some people are just broke down. So I mean, that yeah, that is the thing. For sure.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:17:48

Yeah. I don't disagree with you. They're fucked up. But, but um, but yeah, I don't know, man. The anyways, I just want to ask you what your what your thought was on on that as somebody who's worked in the school system?

Chuck Shute: 1:18:01

No, I think it's a complicated issue. I really do I but I think, to me, it's like an I know, like, that's a cop. I feel like that's a cop out of people on the right. Like, oh, no, we need to talk about mental health. It's like, okay, well, then, then fucking do something about mental health. Because I would love that I would love to see our country have more. I mean, that's the other thing. I don't know if you guys have the homeless issues. And I know you you probably do in New York, you have the encampments. I mean, that's a huge issue, too. There's, there's big issues with the homeless and mental health. That's another piece of it that's just not being addressed. And I don't know, it's sad. I mean, it's, I see a lot of great things in our country, but I also feel like our country is broken and a lot of ways and, and the the mass shootings is just like, that's just like the tip of the iceberg.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:18:46

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we sort of live in a society that doesn't necessarily care about the society in a weird way. It's like get what you can climb to the top of the mountain, build a cage around your house, and just, you know, watch fucking YouTube or whatever. And fuck everybody else, but seems to kind of be you know, and more so that people that can do something, you know, because I mean, we could yell about guns and whatever and I guess I mean, like down here, but then the people that can actually pass bills do shit whatever. They just kind of don't or scream at each other until nothing really gets done you sort of go that's also sort of a part to the Mexico Well fuck it because if the people that are in control don't care, then what am I going to do which on a small micro thing we were talking about earlier? If parents don't care kids not really going to care you know? So the government's our parents. Not really but you don't I'm saying like no, I don't care that one government

Unknown: 1:19:47

Yeah, they can't do I mean, we can do so many that you have 35,000 followers or whatever it is on insert way more than me. I mean, you have a way bigger audience. I mean, what did you like? Cuz I know in Seattle, that's where I'm originally from. There's the homeless thing. It's not a control there, but a Pearl Jam the band. They did like some concert and I don't know how much they raised, but they raised a bunch of money. Like, I feel like she'll like that is like, that's what we got to do. We got to stop it goes back to I think, weren't you saying that earlier about how, like, no one's going to come to save you we can't expect the government to did that's what I'm saying asked you if you've worked in the government, because I just feel like it's so incompetent, they can't do anything. I mean, I just saw that side of it working in the school, but who was I talking to? I can't remember who it was. But they were basically saying the same thing that even at the highest levels of the government, it's just a, it's still like that. It's just a complete mess. And nobody knows what the fuck they're doing. So it's like, I think we could just, we could save each other. Just little things. It's trying to help each other out and reach out to people that you're like, you know, like, my cousin Jim is like, you know, he's not doing so well right now. Maybe I should reach out to him. And maybe I should see if he and his if he has any guns, you know, that kind of thing. Like, I mean, all these instances with the mass shootings, there was always somebody that was like, yes. The Vegas one did you did you hear the story on that one? Like the what was it like the wife or I think she was like, kinda like a mail order bride or something. She's like, Yeah, he's like, he had all these machine guns and things in the garage. But you know, he's buying me jewelry. So I just, I didn't say anything. It's like, Oh, I could have saved so many lives.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:21:18

Yeah, the thing that happened in Nova Scotia, there was a bunch of people that went to the cops and about the guy. And they were like, man, there's a lot of shit. And people just sort of just put it aside, you know, it said, there are definitely things that can be done.

Chuck Shute: 1:21:35

Yeah, your solution if you if you if you were alluding to the President. Yeah. If you could do if you had you had a magic wand and you could I'm not magic because but like a realist, I like you couldn't just magically erase guns, but if you would you ban all guns, would you change the ages or background checks? Or what would you do?

Nathan Macintosh: 1:21:54

Okay, so this is my first day as president? Yeah. All right. So I'm President, first of all Canadian has ever been the president of American cancer, a lot of questions. That first tried.

Chuck Shute: 1:22:10

I fucking hate Ted Cruz. But I hate Hillary Clinton, too. I feel like Ted Cruz is the Republican Hillary Clinton. They're both so fake. I just I don't know. I just can't Oh, just it's always funny

Nathan Macintosh: 1:22:21

that like, you have to do that. Right. When someone's like, I hate this person. I also hate this person. Can you just hate one person? You know,

Chuck Shute: 1:22:27

a lot of people, but I just think like, that's the side. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like, although I did hear, I did hear Hillary on Howard Stern. And I was like, oh, like, she can actually be like a normal person. I was like, like you said, the WWE. They put on this, like, first, like, I got to talk like this. And it's like, just be a normal person.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:22:47

Yeah. Anyway, sorry. Yeah, I come out, and I go, alright. Hi. I think I'd say hi, I think that's fair. So I just did a show like, Hey, I'm gonna make Burger King free for the day, across the nation. And then if something goes, what are you gonna do about guns? I looked them. I go, Oh, I put sunglasses on. I get no car and I drive away. I think I've just really okay, dude. I don't know. I mean, I could give some sort of joke answer. And if I give any kind of serious answer, I definitely need to think about stuff much longer than I have to this point. You know what I'm saying? Because there is at one point in time, I would have been just like, yeah, get rid of these. Get rid of them. But then you go. Yeah, it's not that simple. Because people will still get them from wherever. I mean, dude, a lot involved in fault. I mean, I think I would go to I think one thing you could do now that I'm thinking about it, my first day, I just made Burger King free for the day. For the day,

Chuck Shute: 1:24:02

when is that your favorite?

Nathan Macintosh: 1:24:05

I feel I feel it's very American, you know, Burger King. It's a king. I, what I would do is make it I don't even know how you do this. Stop letting people accept money from the NRA. In terms of politicians, whatever the hell these people that just get money from these people to pass certain things illegal. I'll do this okay. If I find out that you took some sort of bronze member years ago, and I think they're still trying to figure it out. college athletes could be fucking banned, kicked out whatever if they took what not like bribes but like gifts from certain schools. You don't I mean, yeah, same deal. If I find out you're the fucking the Senate Leader in for Delaware and you took some money from Wayne LaPierre to pass some type of thing you're doing time you're going away pal, because I mean, and then we'll figure out the rest of it. But I'll try to stop money common from this buck in organization of hell, hell, and all

Chuck Shute: 1:25:15

it would you stop all the organizations like what if like, you know, oil companies or like solar

Nathan Macintosh: 1:25:21

started with started on gun my question here today was guns I'm starting here. I'm starting right here and then tomorrow, McDonald's is free. And we'll figure out oil. All right, fair enough. Yeah, I don't know. But that part of it does seem to be a thing as well, these these unlimited finances from this place that can just buy people. Things, man, I will say this, too. I don't know how there's so many people on this earth, who are able to collect money for bad things and be fine with it. You know what I mean? I don't I don't understand how there's this many people that can do this. I don't understand how there's this many people who are completely fine with like, where did this money come from? All I gotta do is do what? All right, and buy a house and cruise in a boat and be like, Look, I made it like, but where did you? I think I talked about this in the special a bit. And if I didn't, I meant to, we should care more about how people got money. Not just that they have money. You know? So like somebody like, Bezos, we go, ship, man, it's great. This guy, this guy can almost go to space. And he's got like, he's got a $77 million yacht and he's got $268 trillion would have fuck it is right. We're just like, that's cool. Or whatever the hell you go. How do you get it? Here like, well, one of the ways that he did is he cut health benefits to everybody that works for him. He has drivers. They're not allowed to really take any kind of breaks, so they're pissing into a cup. While they're delivering your goddamn boxes. and shit like that. She go. I mean, is that cool? Doesn't seem very cool.

Chuck Shute: 1:27:12

No, I agree. I you know, I think the biggest thing with not just Bezos, but like Apple and all these like Mega fucking ridiculous is Apple, like a trillion dollar corporation at this point, like,

Nathan Macintosh: 1:27:23

something like that and have like a $600 million surplus or billion dollar surplus or something money just sitting in the earth that they don't even talk?

Chuck Shute: 1:27:30

Which Yeah, but it's like, we're all guilty too of like, using these fucking products like Amazon. I love Amazon. I love my actually, I'm getting sick on my fucking iPhone, to be honest with you. But we all use these fucking products because there's no competition, like who's Amazon's competition? I would love to support a business that treats their employees better. I'll even pay a little bit more for the service if there was some sort of better like Amazon, especially with frickin the iPhones are made by these child slaves, basically, from what I understand. And if I'm maybe I'm getting that wrong, but I don't think they're made from great working conditions. Yeah, the fucking phones are not. I mean, I keep buying the new one. I'm like, oh, it's got a better camera doesn't have any fucking new innovation. Why don't we innovate more? And again, I think that goes back to having more people figure out their purpose. And having there should be like fucking 10 or 100 different phone companies that I can choose from that. So that way, you know, Apple doesn't have 100 or 50% of the competition when they got Android. Okay, fine. But like, there's, if we split some of that shit up, and there's more company, I remember when like, I don't know if you remember when when I was a kid, there was like Mom and Pop banks. Like there was little banks, like a mom and pop, you can't. Now there's like five banks or whatever. Because if your mom and pop bank, like you can't afford the lawyers and the accountants and everything to follow the regulations, so it's like basically, you're just like, you're fucked. And now there's like, just like five banks, and they control everything, which is scary shit.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:29:05

Yeah, and the companies and stuff, too. I mean, that seems to be a real big problem, too. Is that like, there's never enough money? You know, you have a billion dollars in your life. It's not enough, then you get 2 billion.

Chuck Shute: 1:29:18

But I don't think it's about my dad was actually a financial advisor. So he worked with all these like rich people and it to them it's like, it's like a game. They're not like, oh, I need more money. It's like, they like playing the game. And that's a guarantee that's the same with Bezos and musk and all the because they can pluck and retire. I think a lot of people just go fuck it like I've made my money I'll retire but it's like they like playing the game and it'll never stop but I think the only way that you beat them is that you have other people play the game. Better than that and more people playing the game. And you know, that could definitely change with you know, I'm sure that a lot of people would say the game is rigged. So okay then change the rules. It If you I love your thing about the student loans that Britt is that a bit is brilliant because thanks, man, we're giving people $80,000 For, as you say, a horse Literature degree, why don't we give$80,000 to a kid who thinks he can make a better iPhone? And let's see what he can fucking do. Let's, I bet you somebody could make a better phone. something innovative, that's better.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:30:23

For me at this point, I'd almost be like, let's find the kid that thinks you can make a better iPhone and spend$1,000 shooting him into the sun. Again, I mean, it's never gonna stop, obviously, but like, stop tech man, but I'm gonna say I don't know. There was something you said that I was gonna comment on. I came up with it was changing the rigged game and yeah, that's gonna be a tough one. So the people who would change it other people that own it. Why the fuck would you? Nobody? Nobody, you know, if you own all the fucking spaces on monopoly, and you say, Hey, we should change the rules. You're like, Oh, should we should wait, now that I have everything. Dammit, I forgot what I was gonna say. But um, I don't know either.

Chuck Shute: 1:31:08

This fast is good shit. Like, it's a great conversation.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:31:13

I Oh, I hope so.

Chuck Shute: 1:31:14

I think so. I don't know if anybody else is still listening. But I'd have a great time. Was this live? No. Okay, good.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:31:20

I was like, oh, anyways, yeah, okay. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 1:31:23

So yeah, I don't know what if you gotta get going, but I'm having a blast.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:31:28

Um, well, how long do you don't really do these? I

Chuck Shute: 1:31:31

usually just like, sometimes only 3040 minutes, sometimes an hour's when I had Simon on. I feel like with comedians, it's always longer when I had Simon King on. It was like, that was like an hour and a half. He's, he's fascinating. He's good. Are you friends? A lot of other comedians.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:31:45

Yeah, and I know, I met him years ago. I mean, both from Canada. But um, but yeah, I mean, I didn't really realize how long we've been talking. I mean, yeah, we could shut it off. Right. Am I crazy? We can we can wrap this up my knots.

Chuck Shute: 1:31:58

No, this is the good place to wrap it up. But yeah, I always end promoting a charity. So I mean, that's another thing I tried to do to bring good into the world. So if there's something a cause that you besides defunding the NRA is, there's something

Nathan Macintosh: 1:32:13

I'm gonna say to funding the NRA, if that's a charity that we could send Wayne LaPierre personally, if we can somehow defund this, man. You know,

Chuck Shute: 1:32:27

is there something that is there something that people could give money to or that

Nathan Macintosh: 1:32:31

I'm the one in, there's a Nova Scotia one that I've donated to it's like a children's one. Fuck. So you know what? Send money to Nova Scotia? How about that? Just the whole province itself? I can't remember the thing was called. And again, if we could, if we could defund Wayne LaPierre. I mean, look, I'm not even saying that I'm with you in the way of like, you know, I'm not saying get rid of the Second Amendment, whoever it is what it is, but can you imagine being a guy like a school shooting happens and this guy's like, I gotta go there and give a talk. You know, I gotta have a convention. I got a bunch of my friends here beaten off with guns. You don't I mean, I gotta I gotta fly there. I'm waiting up here. I got glasses. I mean,

Chuck Shute: 1:33:22

don't that doesn't the other side do that too. They come in fucking. They cater to the, I mean, just the political so stupid. Like, again, I think if people just put their heads together, work together, and it's never gonna happen.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:33:36

We're not doing that. That's,

Chuck Shute: 1:33:38

I'm gonna try to do my part. No, nobody watches this fucking podcast. I try to do my part. To bring people together. That's why

Nathan Macintosh: 1:33:46

I love in the very end, you're like, nobody will listen to this. Like, that's hilarious to somebody.

Chuck Shute: 1:33:49

But, you know, like, bringing people together with it. That's the way in with a charity. Like, that's one thing. It brings out like everybody could get together with helping children in Nova Scotia. No one's gonna be like, No, fuck that. Cause like, you know, everybody's people definitely

Nathan Macintosh: 1:34:02

will say fuck that cause but I mean, those are the outliers. These are psychos. But um, I forget what the hell I forgot that you asked me that. Because I had the thing but whatever. Yeah, that's fine. I'll figure

Chuck Shute: 1:34:13

it out. Yeah. Children just like sick children like St. Jude's kind of thing or?

Nathan Macintosh: 1:34:19

No, it's for like, it was like for sports in fucking. Well, you can send me the link and I'll send you the link to happen this entire time. Yeah, save you the goddamn link. We did it.

Chuck Shute: 1:34:30

Yeah, it's not Sarah McLaughlin's chair. Isn't she from Nova Scotia?

Nathan Macintosh: 1:34:35

No, I think she's from I think she's, I think she's from Victoria. Okay, I was just up real quick. Just yeah, I

Chuck Shute: 1:34:42

was looking up Nova Scotia stuff. I was like, Oh, if there's any like interesting, like Nova Scotia things I can quiz him about her

Nathan Macintosh: 1:34:49

way to fucking second your rights. All right, she's from fucking Halifax. She's from where I'm from. Yeah, there you go. Fuck When I just figured this out now, fuck is this

Chuck Shute: 1:35:05

isn't the internet amazing?

Nathan Macintosh: 1:35:09

Wow. Wow, well, wow. Okay, yep, you learn something every day Sarah McLaughlin in Halifax and so we got fucking Winston Churchill. Oh, that's a good one too but I mean, you know? No, he's not from Halifax but anyways, why do they have a statue of him then? World War Two man what are you going to do? The guy was instrumental without him there be no fucking Halifax oh please see that movie say and which was

Chuck Shute: 1:35:39

what was the movie? Was that where he was it was all about him that was really interesting.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:35:43

Churchill was a movie culture too. Maybe Yeah, I did not see that. I got a book about Churchill years ago that I tried to read. It's like 900 pages and I went and I I'm not ready for this right now. I'll read it at some point. He seems like a very interesting, man. But yeah, you do. I'll send you I'll send you the link of his fucking charity, man.

Chuck Shute: 1:36:00

Okay, cool. Well, it's been a blast. We'll have to come back when your next specials or anything else besides the special and the special is free. It's on YouTube. It's only like 45 minutes. And great stuff in there. Love the subway. Thanks. I love how you call. You call the spokesman a mascot. I think that was like mascot. Yeah. Is that on purpose that you fuck that up? Like, yeah,

Nathan Macintosh: 1:36:24

I want to call the mascot and he mean he is. He was technically the fucking mascot. He's parading around his pants. Every time somebody thought about something they thought of Jared. Yeah. Full on criminal fucking psycho monster. Yeah. But yeah, I mean that. My Instagram. I got a bunch of shows coming up. They're all Nathan macintosh.com. So yeah, man. It's been great. Thanks so much for having me. I apologize. I was late. No, it

Chuck Shute: 1:36:49

was fine. Yeah. Do you ever come to you don't come to Arizona or I don't see it on the list of show dates.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:36:54

I haven't in a bit but I'll figure it out. Somebody asked me about that yesterday to to come to the set. Do you ever come to the desert? In Arizona? I'm like, do you mean like, like a city or like literally the desert?

Chuck Shute: 1:37:07

State stage looks at some cactuses. Yeah, well, yeah. Some

Nathan Macintosh: 1:37:10

cacti? Yeah, hopefully soon. Hopefully soon. I do want to go there. So yeah,

Chuck Shute: 1:37:14

okay, keep me posted or, you know, sometimes I drive to Vegas or LA if it's from around there. So. Okay, cool. Stay in touch. Thanks, Nathan.

Nathan Macintosh: 1:37:22

Thank you, man. Appreciate it. All right.

Chuck Shute: 1:37:24

See you later. The very funny, intelligent and entertaining Nathan McIntosh. Definitely check out a stand up on all social media and YouTube. Just watching a few clips you'll be hooked. Again, the new specials called money never wakes. It's totally free on YouTube. And of course always, as always liking sharing, commenting on social media and YouTube for the guest. And this episode can help us both out a lot. And I appreciate all your support for my guests on my show. Have a great rest of your day. Shoot for the moon.