Kip Winger (Winger)

Kip Winger is a Grammy nominated musician, best known for fronting the band Winger. His big break came when he was the bass player for Alice Cooper. He subsequently left the band to start Winger and the rest is history. The band has a new album out May 5th titled “Seven.”  We discuss the new album, potential set list, why he left Alice Cooper’s band and so much more! Fun episode!!!

00:00 - Intro
00:44 - Proud Desperado & Vocals
03:00 - It All Comes Back Around
04:10 - Complexities of Album & Listener Feedback
07:00 - Stick The Knife In & Twist
08:50 - Broken Glass & Paul Taylor
10:50 - It's Okay & Talk Box
11:50 - Down Incognito
16:35 - Blind Revolution Mad & Record Labels
19:01 - Leaving Alice Cooper For Winger
22:10 - Work with Bob Dylan, Alan Parsons & More
24:35 - Upcoming Shows, Set List & Meet & Greets
27:00 - Rockstar Rescue
28:30 - Outro

Winger website:
https://www.wingertheband.com/

Rockstar Rescue website:
https://rockstarrescue.org/

Chuck Shute website:
https://chuckshute.com/

Transcript

Chuck Shute: 0:00

Alright, Kip winger is here. And Kip is one of those guests that I've been trying to get on the show for years and he finally did it because he is promoting the new winger album seven, which comes out on May 7, may 7, may 5. Okay may 5, the album's called seven, two tracks are available now and we're going to discuss a few more plus what songs are going to play live, as well as some tidbits from the past like THE STORY BEHIND THE SONG down in Cognito. Why he decided to make the jump from bassist for Alice Cooper to frontman and so much more. Coming right up. Welcome Kip Winger. How's it going?

Kip Winger: 0:46

Good. How are you man?

Chuck Shute: 0:48

Good. Good. So yeah, new album seven. I'm loving the songs the first single though proud Desperado. Is it? Is it just me? Or is that is that song kind of hard? Like for an average person to sing? Because I it's such a catchy song and I want to sing along, but I don't think I'm hitting the keys. Right?

Kip Winger: 1:07

I guess it could be. Yeah, I guess that could be a pretty difficult song for somebody who's trying to sing out out of the blue. I'm gonna give you a voice lesson. Yes. Could

Chuck Shute: 1:16

you Yeah, cuz. Yeah. It's like, it's like proud, Despo rod. It's like a lot of things going on there. Am I wrong?

Kip Winger: 1:25

The intervals in that section are very. Yeah, they are. Let me see.

Chuck Shute: 1:30

It's more complex than just the typical song.

Kip Winger: 1:34

Thank you for noticing that. Yeah, it's it's I don't remember the melody right now. But it's quite a stretch on those first intervals in the in the pre chorus. Yeah. Yeah, I

Chuck Shute: 1:49

noticed that stuff. When I started to try to sing along to sorry, oh, I this is not just the kicks in your head. It's so catchy. But it's harder to sing along to. So

Kip Winger: 1:58

it's funny that you say that because when I was recording it, I was trying to be sure that all the consistency of the of the tone of my voice was right on all of those syllables. And to place my throat in the right way to get that proud. Rado and I had to instead of who's, that was a challenge.

Chuck Shute: 2:27

Yeah. And then when you play it live, you got to be playing the bass to does that. Does that even like a thing for you anymore? Is that like, super easy to play bass and sing?

Kip Winger: 2:34

No. Are you crazy? Man, I have to practice for hours to do that. And I'm panicking. I woke up last night going oh my god, I have to learn that song. For the video, which one thing is like, you know, you don't really have to do. But yeah, no, I do I have to learn it that and whichever other ones we're doing, there's a couple on the album. And there's a couple songs in our catalogue that are I could never do it. And it's just totally impossible. Like, in my veins on pull. If you listen to the very last part where the music is going all the way up the neck, and I'm singing this ridiculously high thing. And he's like, no way I could ever do it live.

Chuck Shute: 3:16

Wow. That's yeah. And what about because the newest single? It all comes back around? That's that's a longer song. And that seems like very complex. Like, it seems like musically. There's a lot of things going on. Is that something that you would do live as well?

Kip Winger: 3:31

Yeah, yeah. It's actually it's not it is thank you for noticing that. I appreciate that. It's it's, it's not. It's complex, but it's not complicated. It's it's you know, like the keyboard party. It's not like this Jordan Rudess kind of thing where it's, you know, it's not like that. It's just very composed. And the chord progressions are unusual. But yeah, well, I'm sure we'll take a stab at that one.

Chuck Shute: 4:08

Yeah, so that was and that's what you mentioned that with this album. There's the complexities are you use some of the tricks that you learn from classical training and Orca. orchestral arranging, right.

Kip Winger: 4:21

Yeah, man. I mean, I, I'm always chasing something that's in my head. That's a little bit more unusual. I hear a lot of you know, I've been doing orchestral music for a long time now and it feeds the rock music because it always gives me some kind of a pathway to do something different that you wouldn't normally hear in rock. And I always try to you know, put that stuff in the music and make it more interesting.

Chuck Shute: 4:51

Yeah, well, you mentioned Jordan, and I had him on my show and it's the same thing I feel like with Dream Theater and winger to me like you guys don't put out bad me Music like every song is good like you listen to any winger song Any Dream Theater. They're all like you could tell there's they're really brilliant like you guys put in hard work. You guys know what you're doing and people it's funny because some of the Dream Theater people be like, Oh, this song isn't as good and I just don't understand that because I love this new album. Is that the kind of response you're getting from most of the fans too?

Kip Winger: 5:20

Yeah, I Yeah, it is. I appreciate that. There's always some trolls on their gun. You know, you guys are you know, whatever. We've we've got some remnants from the, from the naysayers back in the midnight and, you know, mid 90s that were, you know, they still like to come and comment and stupid comments, but for the most part, it's all it's all great. I mean, comments I've seen on we just released. It all comes back around today. And the comments that I've seen are great. People seem to be getting it, you know?

Chuck Shute: 5:53

Yeah. Do you think some of those comments? I feel like, it seems like it comes out of envy.

Kip Winger: 6:00

I don't know, man. I mean, I'm not I would, I wouldn't. I wouldn't ever want to be psychologically diagnosing anybody. But, you know, I don't understand why you would go on someone's site, just to say something bad. But you know, there's nine or 10 billion people out there who knows what they're all thinking.

Chuck Shute: 6:19

Right? Yeah, no, true. Yeah. But I mean, you're like the fellow musicians. I would think that would mean more to you that because it's always the people that troll or the people that don't have you never heard of them. They don't have any followers. They're not musically.

Kip Winger: 6:31

Those guys. Yeah, a lot of them aren't actually musicians. The musicians always seem to know the difference, but so does total a lot of the fans. I mean, it's just, I think that you get that with any with any genre, you're just gonna get, I'm gonna turn around here. You're just gonna get people that want to you know, they lift you up and knock you down, you know?

Chuck Shute: 6:53

Yeah, no, absolutely. What is one of my favorite songs on the new record is a stick first I just write when I looked at the tracklist and I was like, Oh, this song sticks out to me stick to it. Stick the knife in and twist it. That's such a cool title. Then I listened to the riff was cool. And then the catchy singalong chorus in the in the lyrics like switch bit switchblade lover with a poison kiss tattooed. 666 Tastes like heaven. But remember this love apocalypse. Like now? I gotta see an English lit but I thought that was brilliant. How did you guys come up with that one?

Kip Winger: 7:25

Thank you. Well, revenue grab had the lick. And it was you know what's cool about that, too, like the verse kind of reminds me of Whitesnake. Yeah. I heard we wrote the music and I was thinking, what's the name of this song? What's the name of the song and then I heard that phrase somewhere in an aisle. That's I wonder if I could work that into a tune in and actually co wrote the words with a buddy of mine who's a good great songwriter named Grant Van Dyck. And, you know, we were just milling that stuff overnight. That was just one of those songs that came pretty easily. I have to say. It all just kind of fell in place like a puzzle. But I really liked the guitar solo in that it's, you know, John read plays, then John plays then Reb and then they both play. It's just got to add that one would be a great song to play live, actually.

Chuck Shute: 8:20

Definitely. And I think I could maybe even sing that one. In a concert setting with them to come up

Kip Winger: 8:26

and sing. Oh, really? Okay.

Chuck Shute: 8:29

I'll take you up on that. Are you? I

Kip Winger: 8:30

guess you're a singer, right? No, I

Chuck Shute: 8:32

wish. I just love to sing along to music that I like, but yeah, no, I

Kip Winger: 8:37

saw we turned you into a singer. Karaoke. That's what I do. You know,

Chuck Shute: 8:42

everyone's drunk and you know, they can't really hear real well. That's the best singing environment for me. What about So you mentioned the solos? I thought that was cool though. In the song broken glass. You gave a Paul Taylor a guitar solo that's really it. Now how do you decide something like that? Is it was it his song or something? Or how did it come up with

Kip Winger: 9:05

that tune? Reb that was one of the early songs that we worked on I you know what I just I thought I just had the vibe because Paul's a great soloist and he's never played a solo on a winger record and I working on the record and that was one of those things where the pandemic you know, getting ready to come back and forth a lot because I don't make records by zoom or male male in your tracks or anything. I want to be in the room with everybody. And so I don't know man, I just got the idea like Paul has been playing some solos live and stuff and I thought you know, he's never played a solo on a winner room was giving a solo on this song. He's just great. It's got a great feel. And

Chuck Shute: 9:53

yeah, he's He's such a nice guy too. He did my show. I haven't met Robin rod and John but it seemed like it you know, cuz you look at winger as a band that's you've had the same members for for so many years. I mean obviously sometimes people have to come and go because of different projects but you've all gotten along. And it seems like that's probably because you're all really nice guys.

Kip Winger: 10:13

Well, we get we get along it's funny group of guys Rob especially. He's very funny John's funny too. I mean, everybody has a good sense of humor. We, we like to hang we've always been friends even when we weren't actually like, you know, performing together that much. We were still talking to each other all the time. You know, we never had any legal battles or anything like that. We just too great hang, you know, so we're lucky that way. No reason for anybody to leave, you know?

Chuck Shute: 10:45

Yeah, no, that's a great gig. The song It's okay, that's another new one. It's got the cool I love the talk. Is it as we call the TalkBox guitar?

Kip Winger: 10:54

Yeah, John put that in. He's like, Hey, man, you want to talk box in this? Perfect?

Chuck Shute: 10:59

Yeah, how do you dislike I feel like there needs to be more TalkBox in rock music. I don't I mean, you think like, is it living on a prayer is that the Bon Jovi song that's got it. And there's just not I think there's a Motley Crue song that has it, but there should be more.

Kip Winger: 11:13

Peter Frampton really made it famous write it like I do. And when Bon Jovi brought it back, that was genius that really worked well in that track. And John Ross suggested it for this track. And I love I love the idea and it sounds great, you know, so we always have one kind of quirky song on the album that like a down incognito vibe. That's, that's, that's, it's okay. You know, life is an illusion, man, you know, the Lyric is really just life is an illusion, you can't really see what's really going on behind the scenes.

Chuck Shute: 11:48

Ya know that. So you mentioned down in Cognito. That's, I would say, that's probably my favorite Wenger song or one of them. And I'm so glad that you still play it live. But tell the story about that. Because that was really interesting. I didn't know that. It was kind of a thing similar to cherry pie and warrant where they said the album was done. And they're like, hey, we need a hit. And that's how you wrote down in Cognito.

Kip Winger: 12:11

Well, kind of like that. Yeah, I mean, I took spell I'm under into the label thinking it was just you know, that was really a big single. And ironically, spell him under never became a single who's the one became the single but yeah, they were. They're like, now you need another one, you know, which really blew me away because I thought spell I wonder to this day, I think it's one of the one of the better songs I've written. But yeah, so we went down. I was like, Okay, well, we're not going to do a guitar solo. We're just going to do this funky beat. Yeah, we're just we're just messing around. And, and so I was like, Okay, this song needs, I'm gonna go get a harmonica for this song. Now, we had this, this download and download the download bass part. And the drum machine was cranking. I was living in Manhattan. And my studio was in the back part of this loft I had. And I was like, Dude, I'm gonna go to Manny's music. I'm gonna grab a harmonica. And by the time I get back, I want you to have a riff done for this groove. And I came back and read was like, What do you think of this bom, bom, bom, bom, bom, bom down, like, Oh, my God. That's the genius of Redmond. He just, sometimes he just knocks these riffs off the top of his head that are just mind blowing. And that was one of them.

Chuck Shute: 13:37

That's amazing, though, that the guy tells you to write a hit. And to me, it's like, I think you did. I don't know. Maybe it was the 90s Wherever. So it didn't take off as much as it should. But that is a really good song that you could just sit down and do that.

Kip Winger: 13:49

What look, I'd love to take credit like that. But it wasn't really like that, you know, they they said right, you need you need another song. That can be a single and stuff. So we wrote a bunch of stuff. Oh, really? Yeah, we were like, Okay, let's try this, this this down. And Cognito was the one that kind of rose to the top.

Chuck Shute: 14:09

And then explain the one down and

Kip Winger: 14:11

Cognito is like, down to Cognito was one of those songs that like we did we beat the demo because there's this whole, like, you make demos and the demos are always better. Because the vibe of the song is better in the demo. But on pull man, we had demos for pulling we beat the demo in every case I mean with with Mike Shipley it was just God like him and he was so good at like bringing those things home, you know, like because I go on and on and on about this. I don't make demos anymore because I want to grab the inspiration of the tune right when it's there. And I recorded like on the spot. But, but we really we really nailed it on that. That was that song in particular.

Chuck Shute: 14:56

No, I love that. And then I wanted to ask you I was wondering about the music video because I for years, I think I wondered where is this place? And then I realized I live in Scottsdale and I was like, Oh, this is in Arizona. But it's funny because this is before Instagram and all this stuff like how did you guys find that location? Because it's really cool. I actually went there.

Kip Winger: 15:17

Yeah, it's in two McCurry. Yeah. Yeah, the video producers, the director, they had a scout and they were thinking down incognito. I mean, of course, it lends itself to, you know, you're you're out in the middle of nowhere, hanging out until the sun's gonna shine. Some some some location scout found it. And honestly, and by the way, I was living in Florida then. And when I went there, was like, Oh, my God, I want this vibe. So I packed up and moved to New Mexico after that.

Chuck Shute: 15:51

Oh, that's when you live in Santa Fe or whatever. That's right. After that video,

Kip Winger: 15:55

I packed up and moved because I wanted that desert vibe. That's really where I feel the most at home and that like super deserty vibe, peaceful, you know, kind of pseudo spiritual vibe.

Chuck Shute: 16:10

Yeah. So why don't you move to Arizona then? Because I know you. You want to get out of Nashville. So

Kip Winger: 16:16

does everybody know I want to leave Nashville?

Chuck Shute: 16:18

Well, you mentioned it. I think I heard you say,

Kip Winger: 16:21

yeah, no, I made it mostly because there's the winter weather is just downright depressing. Yeah, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm so busy. I won't be able to be moving anytime soon.

Chuck Shute: 16:33

Yeah. I want to ask you about the story to this was funny, I heard you talking about the song blind revolution mad. And that's such that song is so brilliant lyrically and musically, and the weight starts slow. And then it kicks in. But I heard you said interesting tidbit about that is that when you were recording it, the the a&r guy came in and tried to like get you to change the song and put the word love. And I just told that story. Just yeah, I think it was on Crystal makes podcast.

Kip Winger: 17:02

Yeah, I told I just told that story. Again. I was we were telling him the question actually was like, do you miss the old time music business? And do you feel like there's less pressure now, to your point about a record company, saying now you got to write a hit? And I and I, my answer was no, because I keep my bar very high internally. And I want to, you know, keep raising the bar, but to your to answer your question. And to my point was that, back in the day, there were only a few really great a&r people, like, you know, that could really hear the difference like John Kolodner. Case, you know, there was a couple guys that really knew what what was up. And we had this one guy, listening to blind revolution, mad demo, and right when I sing, Kevin, the band goes, he was like, you need the word love right there. And I'm like, I literally was like, You gotta be fucking kidding me, man. Like, it was embarrassing.

Chuck Shute: 18:15

Do you think they sometimes just wanted to be heard and known that tried to look like they were doing something? Because that doesn't like seem to make he's not a songwriter? How would he know?

Kip Winger: 18:24

Yeah, I think they, there was a lot of them that felt like they needed to say something because they needed to justify their position. Yeah, definitely. I mean, look, having said that back then I was like, you know, I mean, I was like, You're out of your mind. Right. I mean, that was just the stupidest thing I've ever heard. But I've been in situations where, uh huh. I wonder if it needs, you know, and people have made suggestions. But I mean, I have a very close Council of people that I trust, you know, and I've, I've have had that for years. And I don't really go outside of,

Chuck Shute: 19:00

yeah, how did you I want to always want to ask you this. Because for people who don't know, you started out without playing for Alice Cooper. And then I heard the story that you slipped on fake blood and you hurt your knee. And so then you got workman's comp. So that's kind of how you were able to make the music with winger, but how did you know that it was a good move to leave Alice Cooper and go out and just focus 100% on winger, because that's a pretty ballsy move at the time. I mean, there's a lot of people that would kill for the Alice Cooper gig and you're saying, I think I could do better which it turned out to be the right decision. But how did you know that was the right decision?

Kip Winger: 19:35

I just felt like once a sideman always aside, man, I it was a great opportunity. But I felt like that was such a cushy gig, that it would be very easy to get super comfortable and never jump, you know. And I was my main thing was writing music. So I wanted to write and do perform my own music and that was never going to happen in that camp. Having said that, I mean Alice is the most was generous, awesome individual ever. And he actually encouraged me to go, you know, so it was like, you know, he gave me his full on blessing. It was really just came down to just that first and foremost, I wanted to write songs and you know, perform my own shit. Yeah, I mean, it was looking back on it, it was like, Whoa, you know. And by the way, I'd be happy and Alice Cooper's band now because I wouldn't have to sing all this stuff. Just seeing backgrounds, I'd never lose my voice. And I love the Alice Cooper music and just being the bass player seems very appealing at this point. But yeah, it was. It was it was real. It was it was scary. I mean, we were like, Okay, let's see what happens. I mean, you know, we got turned down by everybody, man, you know, finally at the very in the final hour, we got a deal with Atlantic.

Chuck Shute: 21:02

So you left before you had the deal? Oh, yeah. Wow, that's really ballsy. Oh, yeah.

Kip Winger: 21:08

Now we left and Reverend, I made a pact to not take any more outside work. That was the deal. I called Rev. And I said, look, let's write an album and get a record deal. So you don't take any more work because read was very popular in the New York session scene. He'd been doing a lot of stuff for Beau Hill and air reef, Martine and he played on min Chaka Khan Beegees, Twisted Sister tons. And I was like, don't take any more work. And I'm not going to take any more work. And we're going to just sit in this room and we're going to write an album and we're going to get a record deal. It's very naive.

Chuck Shute: 21:47

That's fucking brilliant, though. I love it. That's that's how you get to be big is by taking chances like that, I think.

Kip Winger: 21:54

Yeah, that was a big chance. And like you said that the workman's comp money was about three or 400 a week gave me enough to survive to through that time to get signed.

Chuck Shute: 22:04

Yeah. Well, you mentioned the guest appearances and things like that session work is so is it true that because I was looking through some of the stuff you've done, you've done some great session work of your own. Did you really play on Bob Dylan's album? I didn't know that.

Kip Winger: 22:20

I played on a track that ended up on a Bob Dylan album. Yeah. Oh, but

Chuck Shute: 22:24

you didn't like you didn't actually sit down with him or No, no,

Kip Winger: 22:27

no, no, no, I never. i i I was lucky to be on the track, but I never met Bob.

Chuck Shute: 22:41

Yeah, that would have been cool. Either way. You're still on there. So it's a good resume builder, right.

Kip Winger: 22:47

It's pretty it looks cool. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. But you know, I mean, I've got a lot of that kind of stuff. And you know, I played with a lot of big people in rock and with rock and roll fantasy camp, that I can go Yeah, I jammed with him and I jammed with him and I jammed with him and I jammed with him. It's not like I actually was legitimately playing with those guys though.

Chuck Shute: 23:13

Well, you did legitimately play for Alice Cooper that's that's a pretty good one too. Right there. So

Kip Winger: 23:17

and Alan Parsons I was Alan Parsons singer for a year or plus in 2003 or four. And I serve as the lead singer in his life project for a while.

Chuck Shute: 23:31

That's awesome. Is there anybody that's on your bucket list that you haven't had a chance to even like jam with that you'd want to?

Kip Winger: 23:38

I'm not really a jammer. That's the thing. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm very shy. I'm a very shy musician. If we jam the blues, okay, you know, or jam, like, Black Sabbath songs. Cool, but I'm not one of those guys, you know, and I gave up trying to be a good instrumentalist quite a long time ago, just in favor of composing. I do want to do a project with Andy Timmons at some point. My all time favorite guitar players him and Steve Vai, but I'm in and I'm, I'm good. I'd like to meet Peter Gabriel and Paul McCartney and just shake their hand and thank them for the inspiration but other than that, I'm alright. I feel I've done a lot. I'm good. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 24:27

Absolutely. Well, new tour new album's coming out soon, the two singles already out. And then the tour with John Turabian. Tom Kiefer. So what's the setlist going to be like? Obviously we're going to have the hits. But is there going to be how many new songs is there going to be any some maybe some deep cuts from pole or anything like that

Kip Winger: 24:46

in the setlist? Yeah. That's funny that you say that because I keep telling the guys you know, we should mix it up and throw in some unexpected stuff, you know? Yeah. But usually, like for example, we're opening On on quite a few of these runs, like with timekeeper and stuff, and we only have time to get in the hits and a couple new songs, you know, so if you have any suggestions, I'm all ears.

Chuck Shute: 25:11

Yeah, well, I just like books, as you mentioned that it was I think it's the 30th anniversary of poll and the 35th anniversary of the first album. But yeah, Paul to me is like, that's my favorite. You know, like blind revolution mad or junkyard dog. I think that'd be kind of

Kip Winger: 25:24

fun. Blind blind revolution, man. I love it. Yeah. Where are you in Phoenix?

Chuck Shute: 25:30

Yeah, Scottsdale, South Scottsdale.

Kip Winger: 25:33

All right. Well, when we're there, I'll play it.

Chuck Shute: 25:35

Are you coming here? I didn't see it on the are you going to add date?

Kip Winger: 25:38

I'm sure we'll be there at some point. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 25:40

Okay. Yeah. I saw you guys when last time came through with the warrant and Skid Row. That was a fun show at that Casino. Outdoors. Do you remember that? Phoenix or Tucson?

Kip Winger: 25:52

No, it

Chuck Shute: 25:52

was it was Phoenix or Scottsdale was a talking stick. It was at the casino. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I remember that was a good show. Yeah. Because it was kind of during the pandemic, wherever. So it was outdoors. So I think it was safe or whatever. I had a blast. It was. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah, that's those three bands. I mean, it's like it's a nice one. You guys. I like the packages. You know, you can catch a couple different. John Turabian. Tom Kiefer are huge fans of both those guys too. So

Kip Winger: 26:16

yeah, me too. Yeah. Yeah. We toured with Cinderella back in the day. Great tour. Great tour.

Chuck Shute: 26:22

Yeah. So and then I saw that you're going to be doing the meet and greets. That's like the VIP thing. Is that do you like doing that? Is that kind of like a necessary evil or?

Kip Winger: 26:32

No, no, I like doing it those who like you meet the true fans doing that? Do you ever

Chuck Shute: 26:37

get recognized just like on the street like or in Nashville or whatever, like, sometimes? Is that is it do you like that? Or is it kind of weird?

Kip Winger: 26:46

Oh, I mean, it's just been happening my whole life. So it's, I don't even think about it. It's just is what it is. You

Chuck Shute: 26:53

just used it. Okay. Cool. Well, I'm sure you got to get to your next interview. So I appreciate you taking the time with this. I always I always promote a charity at the end of their charity that you want to promote.

Kip Winger: 27:05

That's really interesting. I mean, I donate to a few but bass in general, my mom this big dog kick from China where they're where they eat dogs and I can't wrap my head around that one. So if you find it a legit one for that donate. Let's not eat our dogs.

Chuck Shute: 27:24

Okay, I'll research that put it in the show notes along with you know

Kip Winger: 27:27

what, there's there's a place in Phoenix actually called Rockstar rescue that does that, that I've donated to and they're right there in your in your area. And they're really cool people Rockstar rescue, okay, is an animal shelter.

Chuck Shute: 27:43

I will put that in the show notes along with the website and people can get tickets to the show. They can get preorder the new album, it's out May 5, and they can get T shirts. And is there gonna be more merch? Or is it just

Kip Winger: 27:56

go to go to the website when you're the band.com there's brand new merch, there's 35th anniversary 30th anniversary, new album, and it's all up there now. So preorder the new record. That's what we're hoping people will preorder the record. And there's vinyl. And vinyl has been really big. I even ordered

Chuck Shute: 28:16

it on myself. Yeah, does the vinyl that always seems like it takes longer is that that's not gonna be ready on May 5 longer.

Kip Winger: 28:22

Yeah, it's gonna be in September.

Chuck Shute: 28:24

Okay, cool. Well, thanks so much. I look forward to seeing you guys live soon. Thank you, man. All right. Okay, bye. Well, that was a lot of fun for me. Great stuff from Kip Winger. And again, make sure to check out the new winger album seven, which comes out May 5 2023. And you can preorder it now. Or if you're listening to this past that date, it's already out. So make sure to catch a show. Buy some merch, support the band, follow them on social media, like share and comment all their stuff. And you can support my show the same way. And just make sure you're subscribe wherever you watch or listen because we have some great guests lined up that I'm excited to share with all of you. Thanks for listening and have a great day and shoot for the moon.