Susan Bennett (voice actress, voice of Siri)

Susan Bennett is a voice actress and former backup singer for Roy Orbison & Burt Bacharach. She has done voiceover work for McDonalds, Coca Cola, Home Depot, Visa others. You can still hear her voice in the Delta terminal. She is most known for being the original voice of the American version of Siri. We discuss all this plus her voice role in the new horror film Margaux and more!

00:00 - Intro
00:43 - Music & NHL Marriage
02:05 - Singing & Voiceover Work
04:15 - Path to Siri Voice Job
06:25 - Payment for Siri & Speaking Gigs
07:27 - Different Voices & Auditions 
15:53 - Current Band & Freelance
16:48 - Memories with Roy Orbison & Burt Bacharach
20:30 - Weird Siri Stuff
21:35 - Voiceover For Horror Movie & Dialogue
23:30 - Cameos & Business Side
27:30 - St. Jude's Children's Hospital
28:10 - Outro

Susan Bennett website:
https://susancbennett.com/

St. Jude's Children's Hospital website:
https://www.stjude.org/

Chuck Shute website:
https://chuckshute.com/

Transcript

Chuck Shute: 0:00

Susan Bennett is my guest today. And even if you don't recognize that name, you'll definitely recognize the voice. She's done voiceover work for Coca Cola, McDonald's, Home Depot, Visa, and many more. Her voice is heard in the Delta Airlines terminal, and her voice is also the original Siri on Apple's iPhone. She still does voiceover work and recently played the voice of a smart house in the horror movie. Margot. Did I mention that she's also a musician who's toured with Roy Orbison and Burt Bacharach tons to talk about coming right up. Okay, well, welcome. This is exciting. I've learned a lot about your story. So I just want to help you tell the story and kind of fill in the blanks maybe a little bit. Yeah. So your your story kind of starts at Brown University when you're you start out as a musician in this band was a CoCo conglomerate, is that right? Yeah. Yeah. Tell me about that.

Susan Bennett: 1:00

Oh, well, it was kind of a jazz fusion band, and was the very first band that I was ever and the first time I ever got paid to be a musician. So that was kind of cool.

Chuck Shute: 1:10

That's exciting. So then how does that lead to Roy Orbison and Burt Bacharach singing backup vocals for them.

Susan Bennett: 1:17

It doesn't really because there were there were a lot of changes and moves and things before the the Burt Bacharach thing came about. I was married to a man that I met at Brown, Kurt Bennett, and he was an NHL hockey player for many years. And we were married, we moved to Atlanta because he was traded from the New York Rangers to the Atlanta flames. And so, you know, both of us were New Englanders. And we thought, moving to the south, we weren't sure about that. But we both fell in love with the city. I moved to Atlanta. And and I started going out to different studios and saying, Look, I'm a singer. And so I started doing, you know, a lot of singing, backup vocals and commercials and things like that, which ultimately led to doing voiceover work as well. We

Chuck Shute: 2:06

just showed up at the studios, because this is before the internet and everything. So you just went knock on the door and say, Hi, I'm a singer. Can I sing?

Susan Bennett: 2:13

Yeah. Well, I have a little demo of things that I done. And yeah, so that's how it happened.

Chuck Shute: 2:19

Was it a lot of rejection at that point to?

Susan Bennett: 2:23

Not really

Chuck Shute: 2:26

not that many singers in Atlanta, so they're happy to have

Susan Bennett: 2:28

you know, Atlanta isn't a backwater? It was much smaller than but, um, no, I mean, the the demo kind of spoke for itself, and they call me in, and then they liked what I did. So they kept calling me.

Chuck Shute: 2:42

So you're doing the jingles right? And then then somebody is sick, or some doesn't show up. So then you get to jump in and do the voiceover work, which is different. Cuz now you're speaking instead of singing,

Susan Bennett: 2:52

right? Yeah, exactly the after I had sung with a group of people for some jingle. For some product that I can't remember when I really wish I did, because it was a significant thing. The voice actor didn't show up to read the copy for the spot. So the owner of the studio at the time said, Susan, you don't have an accent, come over here and read this copy. So oh, I can do this thing. Ding, ding. And that was the beginning of it. I got a voice coach, and then learned to put together a demo and gave it to different agents. And that's how it all started.

Chuck Shute: 3:27

And then were you still doing the jingles too? Or do you just move strictly to Okay, yeah. What's what's more fun or and which, which one's more lucrative?

Susan Bennett: 3:37

Well, if you're singing for commercials, a lot of it is the only time it's lucrative as if it's a big national commercial. And then you get paid. And you keep getting residuals thanks to sag AFTRA. And yeah, so it has nothing to do with whether you're singing or speaking. I mean, unless you're, unless you're the big deal, unless you're the star. And then of course, your agent will, will get you better money.

Chuck Shute: 4:04

Yeah, so but you don't you didn't write any of the jingles. Somebody else writes. It just gives you Okay, all right. Yeah, gotcha. So you did that for I mean, it was like, almost 40 years before you got the Siri thing?

Susan Bennett: 4:17

Um, well, yeah, yeah, I guess it was that long. Um, yeah, I started doing a lot of different types of voiceover work. And one of the things I started doing and still do is work for this company in Atlanta that provides messaging, you know, so thanks for calling someone so please press one. And so I did a lot of that. And a lot of sort of, you know, kind of announced three type voices. And for this particular company, I started doing some very strange recordings in 2005. And I've talked to other original Siri voices that had the same experience. We got these new New scripts that were very unusual because they had been created just to get all the sound combinations in the language. And in order to get that juxtaposing all the different, you know, vowels and consonants and different combinations. They had to create the sentences that really basically made no sense. And so and we had to, we had to speak everything in exactly the same tone, and pacing, pitch, and everything. So it was, it was a bit tedious. Because

Chuck Shute: 5:33

Didn't you say it was like four hours a day five, four hours of just reading these almost nonsensical statements repeating some

Susan Bennett: 5:40

big breaks? Oh, yeah, it was four hours a day, five days a week, for the month of July in 2005. And then I did some updates as well. And you know, if Siri was the first one of her kind, and so no one really, none of us knew what we were doing these recordings for. And ultimately, what we were doing was giving our voices away. Because this big company nuance, ended up with our voices. And so when anybody wanted our voice, they wouldn't come to us, because they didn't know who we were, they would just go through nuance and buyer voice through nuance. And that's how I became the original voice of Siri.

Chuck Shute: 6:24

Right? And you didn't get like a royalty. So how does that work? Is that some thing that you signed to the contract? Has that changed at all? Because they use your voice on millions of devices, and you didn't see a check from that?

Susan Bennett: 6:36

Right? Um, I'm not sure if they've changed that or not, I'm sure that you know, a lot of finally agents were getting involved. As I said, this was a first and it was something that no one had dealt with before. And so consequently, we we were sort of guinea pigs, the first few the first voices of Syria were kind of guinea pigs. The plus side of it, even though we didn't get paid for usage, we got paid for our recordings, of course, but for me, it opened up a whole new career for me, I started doing speaker events. Sure, you know, and I thought, well, you know, I can do that. And my agent you know, got me paid very well for those things. And so I would show up at different people's conferences and and tell them the story of Siri and tell them all about voice acting and what that involved and do different voices for people.

Chuck Shute: 7:29

Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. You do some other other voices you do like

Susan Bennett: 7:34

anything about Syria? I knew that I would be typecast that's all anybody thinks I can do. Because you know, humans I don't know what it is about us. We we want to put everybody in the little box. You know,

Chuck Shute: 7:44

ya know, that's why I like doing the podcast is a little bit longer than like a five minute news interviews. So yeah, show off your other voices. So there's that was that star was that the kid voice?

Susan Bennett: 7:55

Just kind of a kid voice. Yeah. And, of course, I have the lower sexy voice. Oh, I haven't

Chuck Shute: 8:01

heard that one. Yeah,

Susan Bennett: 8:02

yeah. Don't get much call for that one. Yeah, I can. I'm good. I have a good ear because I'm a musician. So I can imitate different sounds. And so people say we want you to sound like this as the Okay, play it for me. And then I can pretty much imitated so.

Chuck Shute: 8:23

Yeah. Oh, that's good. So I do the New York one, because that one was kind of cool, too.

Unknown: 8:28

Oh, Chaka Cohen. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I love Chaka she's my favorite one. Unfortunately, most people in the rest of the country don't really appreciate that Brooklyn accent.

Chuck Shute: 8:41

What about can you do a southern accent since you're you you spend so much time in Atlanta? I don't do the accent there. Yeah, they

Susan Bennett: 8:47

do. They do. But there are a lot of Yankee imports here. So it's a it's a it's kind of a mixed bag. And the southern accent, it's there's not just one, you know, there's, it depends on where you live. And, you know, sometimes it's very subtle. It's like, you know, well, welcome to my house. I'm happy to see it. You know, somebody who's very, very, and then other times, it means my client, you know, I went down to the store and he was terrible. And there's been long line.

Chuck Shute: 9:15

You know, that's sort of fun. Do you get to do those voices a lot? Or? No?

Susan Bennett: 9:21

I used to, I used to but now that I you know, this is I've been the voice of Siri. That's, you know, people just haven't. Oh, yeah, she's Siri. That's why it took me two years to reveal Myself, right? Yes, I thought I knew I just knew I was going to be typecast. And I thought, well, what are the pluses and minuses? And I thought, you know, you just never know. So I'll go ahead and throw it out there and see what happens. And it turns out that I had some amazing experiences that I never would have had, had I not been you know, the voice of Seawright and Adele, all kinds of you know, television appearances and, and interviews with with really interesting people. So, you know, it was It was it's been cool. I mean, I cannot complain about it. I really can't.

Chuck Shute: 10:03

Do you try to get those other voice acting gigs, though? I mean, how would you, I guess? Because they do they typically seek you out, or can you kind of like try to apply for those things or try out or?

Susan Bennett: 10:14

Well, I audition a lot. But basically, it's through my agent in Los Angeles, Vox ink, and their specialty is voiceover. And they're the ones that really kind of guided me through this whole theory thing, I didn't really know what to do. And the agents, the local agents of the time didn't really know what to do with it either. And so um, you know, where Stevens and Tom lawless at Vox really helped me figure out how to how to make it work for me. And, yeah, the voice over, the voice over business has changed drastically, I started doing it just two decades ago. And what you would do that and if you were auditioning, you would go to your agents office, and you would eat, you would, you know, do one or two auditions for the agent, they put it down on tape. And, but sometimes the client would be there, sometimes you could meet the client, it was much more of a human human interaction thing, you know, and so, and I was exclusive with Atlanta balls on talent for a long time. And so they would push me, you know, back in the day, before they you had to listen to 900 people auditioning for one little tiny spot. Back in the day, they would come to your agent and say, This is what we're looking for who you got. And the agent would give them 15 or 20 people, and then you had a reasonable chance of winning that audition. Now, you're auditioning against hundreds, even 1000s of people. And all of that was because of technology. Technology made it so that anyone, anyone who could speak could become a voice talent. Because all you needed was a smartphone, some sort of mixer, a good microphone, and a closet. Yeah. And so what happened is that the industry was flooded with amateurs. But and so it's just, you know, for me, when I do like different auditions, it just, I mean, I understand the numbers that are involved, you know, the chances of winning an audition are so small, unless they have picked you to be a part of a little, you know, just a small group of people to audition for a specific thing. But for instance, I have a good friend, who is a wonderful voice actor, and he's also he also works with an ad agency. He's our art director for an ad agency. And this was years ago that we talked about this. He said, Would you like to know what the competition is? I said, yeah, please tell me. He said, Well, I had this little spot. That radio spot there was going to run an Alabama for four weeks it paid $150, non union $150. And I said, Whoa, that's that's bad. Care to guess how many people auditioned for it? I thought I was being outrageous when I said 100. He said, Try 300. So now imagine yourself as the casting director and or the client, and you've got 300 People auditioning for your spot? How are you supposed to you're not gonna listen to all 300. So what are you going to do? You're going to kind of skip around and just at at random listen to somebody?

Chuck Shute: 13:24

Is that what they do? They don't take the people with the best resumes or anything or

Susan Bennett: 13:28

no, because it the numbers are too big. They don't have the time to do that. And so yeah, I mean, it, it's really, it's pretty amazing. It's so it's very hard. It's very hard to make really good money, unless you get a name for yourself. And that particular thing, but um, yeah, I when I get an audition, and sometimes it'll say, well, we don't know, if we want a male or female and I just can't delete that already gets my chances down to 50%. It cuts my chances by 50%.

Chuck Shute: 14:01

That's a good point. Yeah, you you're more of a professional, you've been doing it longer, and you have your resume. So besides just the Siri I mean, like it says on your website, where you got like, you know, delta and GPS, and Coca Cola and all these big corporations, that doesn't help you at all, it doesn't help you get an in?

Susan Bennett: 14:19

Well, you know, the the advertising business has changed so much. It's it, they don't really do that. I mean, it seems to be just auditioning, unless they have a particular thing in mind, and then the agent will think of you but yeah, it's the the process of getting a job is so different now. And it's really it's you have to spend a great deal of your time auditioning in order to get some work. So

Chuck Shute: 14:49

that's just crazy to think that someone at your level and I mean, you're still the voice of a Delta Airlines, right the terminals like that.

Susan Bennett: 14:56

I'm one of the voices in the gates worldwide. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 14:59

And that you at that level, you still have to audition and still struggle and still going up against the competition.

Susan Bennett: 15:04

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. But, uh, you know, I've been doing this for many, many, many years. And so I've kind of gotten away from it a bit, and tried to concentrate on other things, you know, like the speaker, and good COVID was not very good for my speaker career. That that might open up again, if these new, you know, very contagious variants would quit coming out.

Chuck Shute: 15:30

Ya know, I had a professional speaker on my show, and he was saying that a lot of his speaker friends had to do Uber during COVID Because there was just nothing and had to pay the bills. Yeah.

Susan Bennett: 15:41

Yeah. Yeah, it really affected a lot of people. It really did. And my husband and I are both musicians too. So our musician we're went down to next to nothing.

Chuck Shute: 15:52

Oh, you're still doing the music then you are you? Oh, you have a band or tribute band, or what was that?

Susan Bennett: 15:57

No, we have the our latest little band is called Canyon ladies. And we do all of the are a lot of the music from the female singer songwriters of the 1960s, who lived in Laurel Canyon. Oh, so yeah. Joni Mitchell. And Linda Ronstadt. She wasn't a writer so much, but Carole King, Emmylou Harris, people like that. And that's really fun. And then my husband also do you know, and I just do freelance stuff for different parties and conventions and things like that.

Chuck Shute: 16:30

Do you play so do you play live with the band? Or is it only student? Oh, cool.

Susan Bennett: 16:33

Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, I play keyboard and key bass.

Chuck Shute: 16:37

Yeah, so you'd never quit the music. You just kept doing it. No,

Susan Bennett: 16:40

no, that's that's really that's, that's really my heart.

Chuck Shute: 16:44

Really. So what are the greatest memories you have as a music? Because I mean, with Roy Orbison, Bert Bakker, I think you played the Austin City Limits was that one?

Susan Bennett: 16:52

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Working with I was with Royce pan for about two years. And it was fantastic. Because we went to some amazing we went to the British Isles, we went to Australia. We went to Bulgaria, and then all over the United States who so that was really exciting. But probably the high point for me, was just the two weeks that I was on a tour with Burt Bacharach. And you are I hope you're not going who is he? Yeah, no.

Chuck Shute: 17:23

And he was right. That's where the carpenters are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's the first time I heard who his name was, was with his an Austin Powers, right? I didn't know.

Susan Bennett: 17:33

That's right. Mike Myers, Enter. Now I know a lot of younger people. Sure. Yeah. He's in his 80s now and I saw something on Facebook are that he and Elvis Costello, we're going to put a new album out, and Burton is 80s. He's still going? Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 17:51

I interviewed a lot of musicians. And they all say the same. I mean, I don't think most of them want to ever retire. Even if nobody five people listen to their new album, they don't care. They love making music. It's their passion. And that's

Susan Bennett: 18:03

the thing about music. It's a bit different from any other job. It's like, being an artist, a painter, or anything like that. It's, it's sometimes it's not even what you want to do. You kind of have to do it. You know, and my feeling personally is if you have any kind of gift, you know, you got it. You got to use it, regardless of how you do that. So yeah, music I we're gonna, they're gonna have to get the hook for us. We're going to keep playing.

Chuck Shute: 18:29

Jr. Sorry. You were saying that you're the highlight was when you toured with him for

Susan Bennett: 18:32

two years with Burt Bacharach. And we started in Atlanta and this wonderful venue called Chastain Park, which is an outdoor venue. And so Burt was staying in a Holiday Inn. Near my house and your chest stayed apart. Because it was the closest hotel to the venue. And so of course, he had the penthouse and everything. So he had brought, I think, two singers with him from LA. And then he hired I think, three more three more in Atlanta. And so I'm not exactly sure how I got the job. I think I got it from a referral. And so we all gathered around the piano in his penthouse. And he's sitting there playing the piano and just looking at it going, Oh, my God. Oh, if they'd only had iPhones then. But, you know, he looks at me and he looks around. He goes, Susan, what do you think about this part? And I'm kind of going

Chuck Shute: 19:33

oh, she knew your name and everything and knew my

Susan Bennett: 19:35

name. I said. Wow, that was absolutely really, really fun and the other female vocalist on the gig. Her name is Anita Lacan. And she's fabulous. She lives in Florida. She's still working herself. And she and I have the exact same voice is hilarious. I someone sent me a I found On the recording that we did one of the songs that we did for Bert, that we were singing in unison, and we're singing together, and one of us goes up to the higher part in harmony. And I'm going, I think that's me. Is that me? Our voices are so similar. It's hilarious. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

Unknown: 20:21

So we sounded good when we were

Chuck Shute: 20:24

singing Yeah. Yeah, that's really fun. That's cool. You're still doing the music, too.

Susan Bennett: 20:32

I love that. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 20:33

I love hearing that. Now, with the series stuff. You know, it's interesting, you go down that rabbit hole of like, all the weird, serious stuff, like weird things, you can ask your? Or do people ask you those kinds of questions like, Have you ever looked at those?

Susan Bennett: 20:47

Yeah, you know, I really don't pay too much attention to that if people go out of their way, and, you know, contact me. And you don't want to want to hear about it seriously, I respond to everybody. And when I first came out of Syria, I think I had like, I don't know, 500 to 1000. You know, people contact me and I answered them. But it's, you know, it, I really take it seriously. And I, you know, and I don't go into a lot of different social media to see what people are saying about me, because there's just, I just don't need to know all that. You know, if you if you liked what I did, and you're interested in hearing about it, contact me. And otherwise, you know, we'll go about our lives.

Chuck Shute: 21:33

Well, so it's funny, I think the way I Found You was I was watching this movie. And I was like, Oh, who's doing that voice? It sounds familiar. And then I looked it up, and it was you. And then it's like, and it said that you were the original voice of Siri. And I was like, that's so cool. So how fun. Was it doing the movie of Margo? I believe it's called it's about? It's a horror movie about a smart house. Yeah, you kind of figured out what's gonna happen, you know, and you're the voice of this house. And you're basically the star of the movie, right?

Susan Bennett: 21:58

Yeah. Yeah, she was bad. She was the bad.

Chuck Shute: 22:02

Those must have been really fun.

Susan Bennett: 22:04

It was fun. It was really fun. But I gotta tell you that I love to work so much that I really love every job that I do. It's especially fun if I get to be something a little unusual, instead of just you know, thanks for calling, please press one. Yeah, see what's really fun. And I missed those days, when you would do dialog spots. There used to be a lot of commercial commercials with dialogue. And you would go to the studio and you would just play with other actors. It was just it was really fun. And they don't do that. Now. Everything's been isolated. I'm sure COVID has has made that even worse. But you know, if you want to have if you want to have a career in voiceover, you really have to have your own home studio. Oh, yeah. So we're isolated. And basically the person that creates the spot for you now, isn't the actors and the producers and the directors and writers so much, it's the engineer. Yeah, puts it all together. So

Chuck Shute: 23:02

is that how it was? For Margo? Did you you recorded that one at home, too? You didn't even come in for the studio for a movie?

Susan Bennett: 23:08

I recorded it from home. Oh, that's boring. And

Chuck Shute: 23:11

that sucks. I would think you'd be able to come in and meet the director. And

Susan Bennett: 23:15

no, no, but you know, I live in Atlanta, and most of that type of work is done in LA. So I'm grateful that they're happy to, to, you know, just connect with me in my booth. So

Chuck Shute: 23:27

Oh, that's cool. thing that you do, I think, are you still on cameo? Yes. Yeah, that's pretty cool. So people can buy their own cameo of you. Ever expensive. It's really. Especially compared to some of those cameos are like, dollars? I'm like, I mean, unless you just have like crazy money. Why would you pay 1000s of dollars for a camera and nobody's that interesting? Come on. Yeah, yours is very reasonably priced. I didn't see a lot of samples on there. How does that work with the samples? Do people only if they give you permission to post it? Or,

Susan Bennett: 24:00

you know, I'm not really sure. Because I just you know, I wait until they say, Oh, you've got a request. And then I take care of the requests. And I just don't think about it again. You know, I have to say that I really, for being a freelancer, I am not a particularly good self promoter.

Chuck Shute: 24:18

I'm trying to help you. I try to help people on this. I just you'd be surprised how many guests I have. And I tell them about something that no promotion. I just had a guy on yesterday, a couple days ago about his band and I said, Yeah, you guys are giving away a free guitar and he goes, Oh, we are I didn't even know you're in a band or whatever. Like, that's just my job is to play the drums. That's all I

Susan Bennett: 24:37

will you know, I think that is true for a lot of, you know, artistic people. We're not so good at the business end, you know, and so that's why it was so great for me back in, you know, in the 70s 80s 90s to early 2000s. I you know, I had an eight had agents that did all that for me. Okay, now even the agents you know, they're They're running up against See, there used to be a much better structure. You know, if you were a professional voice person, you joined the Union, you joined the Union. And then when you did something great, you get residuals and everything was it was a wonderful thing. But, you know, gradually, and with technology and the fact that, you know, it's such a fun thing, and and so many people are interested in doing it, then, you know, everything, along with a lot of other things because of technology have gotten bottom line.

Chuck Shute: 25:31

Yeah, no, I mean, I get it. I see both sides. Because on the one hand, like, I probably would not have a podcast, if it wasn't so easy to start one. But at the other hand, it's like, yeah, you're right. There's a lot of people, anybody can start a podcast, it's got a microphone, and a camera. It's super easy. So but I think and I think eventually, people, kind of the amateurs, if they're just enough to try to mess with it, they don't stick around very long.

Susan Bennett: 25:53

It depends. Because sometimes in this business, it isn't always, it isn't always the person with the greatest voice or the greatest talent that gets all the work. It's very often the person that really works at it, the person that can, you know, do some, some, you know, just interacting with the powers that be with the business people, you know, there's just

Chuck Shute: 26:17

the most like dramatic like, I know, with like social media and stuff. There's a lot of people a lot of voices that people that have podcasts and things that that you've heard of, because they say crazy stuff. And that's why everybody knows about them, and they have the most followers and so that's another way to get work. Not really. I want to go but yeah, so yeah, well, so with a cameo can you do can you give us like a sample of that, like if I say like, like, just so for people could see you could do the Siri voice like if I said, Hey, Siri, what's the best podcast? And you said the chuck shoe podcast?

Susan Bennett: 26:48

Yeah. Well, you know, for cameo, what I would say is Hi, I'm Susan Bennett, the original voice of seer, the original voice of Siri.

Chuck Shute: 26:57

Okay, very cool.

Susan Bennett: 26:59

Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 26:59

yeah. All right.

Unknown: 27:01

wish happy birthday to your dad.

Chuck Shute: 27:06

You want to never like swear or anything? Is there rules against that?

Susan Bennett: 27:10

Um, no, but I generally wouldn't, wouldn't probably do that. Even though I do a lot of swearing at home.

Chuck Shute: 27:21

It'd be bad. Probably bad for the brand or whatever. Yeah, bad for the city of Grand. Okay, cool. Well, let you get going here. I know. We said 30 minutes. So I always end with a charity. Is there a specific one that you want to promote? I know you've worked with.

Susan Bennett: 27:34

I personally donate to a lot of different ones. And so I'll just go with your St. Jude's Children's Hospital. That's that's a good one.

Chuck Shute: 27:41

I promoted that several times. So yeah, if people have a few extra bucks after they buy a cameo they can donate to

Susan Bennett: 27:48

will if they don't have a few bucks leftover from if they're paying me my fee. Yeah, they should have a lot leftover. That's true. Very, very inexpensive.

Chuck Shute: 27:59

cameo. Good deal. Well, very fun. And it'll be look for I look forward to following your career, seeing what you do next as well. Thanks. It was great talking to you. Yeah, you too. All right. I'll talk to you later. Bye. Susan Bennett, what a nice lady. What a cool career. Make sure to follow her on social media to keep up with her career. You can follow me and the show as well. Your likes, comments and shares help us both with his interviews so that it gets bumped up in the algorithm and more people see it. I appreciate all your support with my guests and the show. Again, make sure you subscribe wherever you listen or watch. Thank you so much. Have a great day and shoot for the moon.