Chuck Shute Podcast

Year In Rock 2022! (with special guests)

December 23, 2022 Troy Patrick Farrell, Joe Scibilia, Season 4 Episode 308
Chuck Shute Podcast
Year In Rock 2022! (with special guests)
Show Notes Transcript

The Year in Rock 2022! We're going over the year's biggest news, releases, concerts, reunion, gossip and more! We also reveal our favorite new rock music of 2022.  With special guests Troy Patrick Farrell (ex White Lion, Tantric) and Joe Scibilia (Rock 'N Roll & Coffee Show).  

0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:30 - Welcome Troy & Joe!
0:03:16 - Eddie Vedder Vs Nikki Sixx
0:07:10 - Judas Priest Band Shake Up
0:10:22 - Nita Strauss Quits Alice Cooper
0:13:22 - Neil Young & Spotify
0:18:26 - Touring & Budgeting Money
0:21:50 - 3 Days Grace & Shinedown
0:27:56 - Foo Fighters & Grammies
0:29:50 - Skid Row Changes Singers
0:36:20 - Great White Changes Singers
0:39:25 - Pantera Reunion
0:43:02 - Quiet Riot & Original Band Members
0:46:35 - Potential Van Halen Tribute Tour
0:49:30 - Nirvana Nevermind Cover Controversy
0:51:20 - Motley Crue & Def Leppard Stadium Tour
0:54:52 - Tommy Lee Dick Pic & Only Fans
0:57:25 - Mick Mars Replaced by John 5
1:01:05 - James Kottak of Scorpions & Kingdome Come
1:06:45 - Jason McMaster Fills In
1:09:25 - Dave Ellefson
1:11:31 - Sebastian Bach Fight
1:13:06 - Journey Sues Journey
1:18:08 - In Memoriam
1:19:30 - Taylor Hawkins & Drugs
1:24:26 - Joe's Favorite Music of the Year
1:28:10 - Troy's Favorite Music of the Year
1:34:10 - Chuck's Favorite Music of the Year
1:37:40 - Upcoming New Music, Tours & Bands
1:41:57 - Holiday Charity Shout Out
1:43:52 - Outro

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Chuck Shute:

All right, well, here it is the year and rock 2022 What a crazy year it's been. And we're here to cover it all the tours, the reunions, the drama, the new music, and so much more. My friends, Troy and Joe are here, and we're going to run down at all. So sit back, get cozy, grab a drink, and enjoy the show. Welcome to the show, Troy and Joe, I will let you each introduce yourself and say your credentials as to why you're here. So if people listening on audio, they know your voice and who you are. So I'll start with you, Troy.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Troy, Patrick Farrell, drummer still played with a lot of awesome fun bands and great musicians over the years, namely white lion and full of boys, Jamie Lane gene loves Jezebel and tantrik. And I'm currently investing a lot of time and effort into my live Wednesday weekly radio show called this that and the other on dirty radio.fm. And we've got two channels over there. One study radio and the other one's dirty radio classics. And that's where I pretty much talk about this any other I've got guests from all walks of life and two years strong. They're five years overall. And I'm starting my sixth year and looking to really make a big push for that in 2023. Awesome. And your plan was gonna be Clarksdale to right? Oh, he's Yeah, yeah. In fact, I'm on his last album, the gospel truth. I'm on. I demoed a couple tracks and one of them made it he had a lot of different drummers and bass players and guitar players Nicky was on there, Matt star Kenny, Aronoff and EJ curse who also plays in the live band and we still do some touring and stuff and looking forward to picking up some more dates will be next year as well. Awesome. All right, Joe. First time on my show. Welcome. Yeah, check. Thanks. Thanks, buddy. Yeah, so I'm Joe civilian. I host the rock'n'roll and coffee Show podcast. I've been doing that for a few few years now. Also a musician I play bass.

Joe Scibilia:

Been in a few different bands. years ago. It's been a while. We did some Vans Warped Tour dates, we did a tour with Dead Kennedys bandwidth back then was called last grade hope, played in a band called big machine where we wrote the songs with Brian Johnson from AC DC. So we sounded a little bit right AC DC. And right now I'm working on a project called villain press with Jason McMaster, Adam Hamilton and Paul Idelle. So we will be releasing some songs next year for that. Awesome. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

I heard the one of well, I've heard a couple I think I got to hear the bootleg. I know that was the demo or the cover the Judas Priest cover Judas Priest. And was there another song too?

Joe Scibilia:

I don't know if I sent you that. I mean, I have some but I don't know if I'd sent that to you. Okay. All right.

Chuck Shute:

Well, so we're here today to talk about the year of rock and possibly Matt wake columnist is going to be joining us. I don't know what happened. hope he's okay. So he might be popping in here. But we'll just go ahead and get started and until he gets here, so we're just gonna go through some of the big news stories of the year. So one of the first things I had, this was a fun one. Eddie Vetter, if you remember this is back in January or February is early in the year said he hated Motley Crue and that was that was that hurt me a little bit because I'm a big Motley Crue fan. But then Nicki six retaliates and he says that Pearl Jam is boring. And then Eddie Vetter posted a picture of Pearl Jam live and said, Oh, yeah, these were so boring. Look at all these fans. So do you think that Nikki six and Eddie Vetter? I mean, these guys, I don't know. What are they in their 50s? Or 60s? Do you think they're getting too old for the shit talking? Or is this just like rock and roll and it just goes you're gonna keep shit talking until you die?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I don't worry. I know. I.

Joe Scibilia:

I mean, I don't know why you would bring that up. I mean, I don't know the other story between them too. But why would you? Why would you even say something like Motley Crue socks or whatever?

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, I think they were I don't know if they if the reporter asked him or I don't know how it came up. But yeah, or anything. He was talking about the music scene and how when they came in, and then he said something like, yeah, when we came in music was terrible. And Motley Crue was the biggest band and they're terrible or something like that. I think that's kind of it was kind of off. I don't think it was like a trap or anything. I think he just was just speaking off the cuff and probably didn't realize like, oh shit, I just bash Motley Crue.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

What do you call five guys dressed as roadies on stage? Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam.

Joe Scibilia:

Oh, yeah, right. Oh, I didn't know it. I'm

Troy Patrick Farrell:

right. You know, who knows the context of that. And you're right. He might have just said that, you know, just kind of go on. You know, who would have thunk a band like Motley Crue would be so big. Where, you know, maybe They don't have the musicianship of, you know, I think, you know, listen, everybody lends to their craft their own way, but it's about the songs and the connection fans have so, you know, when people say Justin Bieber sucks, kids god damn talented. You may not like his music, but you can't say suck. I mean, he's talented, right? I don't like him as an artist. He doesn't float my boat but you can't say that you suck. So for Eddie Vetter to say that but yet for you know, two six year old dudes. It's like listen, you know, you've got more mansions and fingers and a lot of dough with zeros in the bank account, man. Just be happy for what you have. And I think we're beyond the time that taken digs at each other and even on a small level, like you know, when I hear people kind of shit talking me about I don't even know what we we passed that, you know, the playground was a long time ago. And you know, we're adults now. It's got houses and families and grandkids and talking about all that dumb, competitive bullshit. Obviously, there's room for everybody. Because both bands are highly successful. It's a little petty to me. Yeah, I

Chuck Shute:

think with Motley Crue. I feel like that's partly how they made their name with the band was like, you know, chaos and controversy and all that. But with Eddie Vetter, I always felt like he was not like that. I thought he was kind of just like, you know, he was too cool for that. And so it's just kind of interesting to hear him say, say that. And again, maybe he was just kind of caught off guard. And he just kind of it kind of slipped out there. Like what he really felt. And he probably tries to be more guarded. But also, I think as you get older, you kind of just don't care anymore. So I don't think he was trying to start something, but then he clearly did. So. Yeah.

Joe Scibilia:

Maybe Nikki should have just let it go.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, no, that's not that's not in his. That's not in his chemistry. He's not built that way.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

And, and to to veterans credit, if he was looking to get a headline, he went after the right guy, you know, so

Chuck Shute:

that's true. Yeah. No, I know. I see. I want to play the game too. I know what to say and what guests have on to get the controversy and get those Blabbermouth articles because that's that's the only reason I get any sort of recognition with my shows, I have to have some sort of controversy. So somebody says something that gets a blabbermouth blabber mouth article. So, another story that was interesting, that I didn't even know about this until I started looking back in the history of the year. But at the beginning of the year, Judas Priest got rid of one of their guitar players, Andy Sneap. I think it is, he's a live member of the band. And they got rid of him, but then they release it like a week later, because everyone was like, you can't have a Judas Priest with only one guitar player. And there was a bunch of controversy. So Joe, I'll start with you, because I think you just did that cover of Judas Priest. I'm assuming that you're a bigger fan than than I am. Did you? What was what were your thoughts on that story?

Joe Scibilia:

Well, Chuck, you know what, to be honest with you I don't really know the details of the story. So to answer that question, I remember that happening. Yeah, and I don't remember I don't remember the details behind it so that you're saying they went out with one guitar player for a little bit? Well, they were saying

Chuck Shute:

that Andy Sneap I think it was just I don't even know how to say his name. He was like the second guitar player and then they said he for I think health reasons or something that he was gonna they were gonna get rid of him and they were just going to continue on as a four piece and then I think the fans were like screw that like we want well, the guitar player and then also they got rid of I mean, that's been for a while but they've gotten rid of KK Downing and then I think Glenn Tipton Glenn Tipton doesn't tour I think that's the thing. I think Andy is the touring guy for Glenn and then Ricky Faulkner is the guy that replaced KK but I don't know it is just like,

Joe Scibilia:

I think I think I think I would have to agree with the fans. I mean, priests can't go out as a four piece in my opinion. I mean, they need kind of need that two guitars kind of like AC DC if I had one guitar player, it just wouldn't be the same or Guns and Roses. Because although that with priests music, it's not as simple as it may sound sometimes. And I think the two guitars going off each other make a lot of the priests

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, cuz then I don't know what they would have done just use like tape or would they have just, they just wouldn't have that rhythm? I feel like you're missing a big piece of it. What do you think Troy? Where you are? You're saying Judas Priest? Yeah, absolutely.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

And I did spend Joe's track of another thing coming on this and the other radio show a couple of weeks ago thanks for sending that to me it's a killer and Jason McMaster on vocals right from yes sir boys and filled in for except and filled in for armored Saint this year like on last minute notice the guy's got respiratory diseases and or illnesses and they called Jason and he was on a plane and printed out some lyrics and he was you know, doing shows full sold out shows opening up for Wasp and headlining with except so they can to keep those guys out there and keep the revenue going. Yeah, I think the big controversy right was the two bands two guitar versus one and then the other thing that having that you know, I don't know Glenn's status but definitely with KK I think that's a real sour spot with the fans and so it's one thing to not have him and then have them replaced. Now they're gonna go to one guitar and not have any of the guy in Neither original guys, except for you know, Rob. And then of course, Travis on drums got Travis. But yeah, I think that it was just a combination of Judas Priest as a two guitar band. And now where are the guitar heroes? There are none up there. I think they reel that back in real quick and figured it out. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

they sure did. Another thing that was interesting to me was a Nita Strauss I don't know if you remember her guitar player, she was with Alice Cooper for longest time. And then she did the song with the disturbed singer called dead inside. And I guess this was like a big kind of like a hit like it was the first first female solo artist to feature in over 30 years and like The Rock Charts or whatever, so I don't know if it was for that reason or whatever. But she decided she was going to leave Alice Cooper. I thought she was going to kind of more do like a solo thing. But she's actually now she's touring with Demi Lovato. So do you think that's a good move? Is that a lateral move? Is that move up? Like in terms of rock, it seems like Demi Lovato is more pop. So I don't know if that's just what she was going after. But I always thought of her more as a rock guitarist. So it's kind of interesting. What do you guys think on that trial? Start with you.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, you know, I think she adds more to Demi than Demi adds to her. You know what I mean? Seriously, I don't know what needs Nina's got magic pixie dust or something. Because she's a fantastic guitar player, she looks great. She, you know, has been very public about being sober and in shape for a long time, and giving her life to her personal life together, which I commend her on because when you're on the road touring in any sort of fashion, it's, you know, it's hard, it's easy to fall into succumb to those sorts of desires. And she whipped her ass back into shape. She's like the spokes woman, guitar player for the Rams. And she does, you know, all sorts of appearances for them. And then she's got her solo band with their, her main her husband or boyfriend or whatever, who also manages and plays drums and she goes out and does these solo shows and clinics. I think whatever she's doing, she's doing it right. I don't know if the demi thing is going to long term show to be a positive move. But I feel like she knows what she's doing. Because every every step she takes is in the right direction. So I applaud her while musically I'm not familiar, or really that much of a fan of Demi, who also has her own, you know, personal issues highly documented. I think having somebody like Anita in her band is actually going to help her out. I think ultimately, is that going to be a long term thing? I don't think so. And do we see her back and Alice Cooper again, the door is always open for that. We know that for sure. Yeah, cuz I

Chuck Shute:

have a thinking with Alice. She gets solo and then shred a little bit more. I think with Demi, it's probably more definitely in the background. I don't know. There's a lot of guitar solos with Demi Lovato songs. I could be wrong. But, Joe, what do you think? Well,

Joe Scibilia:

I think I think when that all happened, I think she did mention that it was she wouldn't be back with Alice. She was just taking a little break from them. Okay. If I recall, I could be wrong. I had been wrong before. Yeah. But anyway, so but I think that's great. I mean, why not? Why not? Go try something else? Yeah, maybe you could get definitely good resume builder to have that name on there for sure. So I'm actually got a pretty good offer for it too. Yeah, for sure. So another thing that happened, I can't believe this was I had to like look back. I was like, Oh, this was in 2022 Because it seems like it was so long ago. But you remember at the beginning of the year, when Neil Young was like I'm leaving Spotify screw Spotify, they're promoting disinformation I'm taking my music out of here and then I thought I was like oh shit, this is the end this is going to be every musician is going to fall the only one that followed I that I know of was Joni Mitchell. And then I think they both came back. What are your What are your guys's thoughts Troy you have music on Spotify. I know that artists hate Spotify anyway so that's why I thought okay, this is just like this is a gasoline on an already it's already on a fire with the you know, between musicians and Spotify they hate Spotify anyway so I thought that all musicians were gonna band together and boycott Spotify and really I don't know if they're scared or they just like they didn't want to kill the cash cow or because they don't make a lot of money right? Yeah, I mean you know when I see so you know, I haven't published a lot of music or written a lot of music i i should have mechanicals coming in and mechanicals are when you perform on something you get the performance you know, check or whatever for that. And I need to eventually go and hustle for that. But you know, I find it interesting when people you know, they they dam Spotify because you know they will have 2 million streams and make 37 cents you know, but get when they when they get their yearly recap of their streams they'll post the screenshot and say thank you listeners but meanwhile it's like thank you to the listeners for streaming but fuck you Spotify for not giving me my Do you know and I find it interesting that there's not a structured payout for streams on streaming services. It seems like it's, you know, point 00000 Take a breath more zeros and seven or something

Troy Patrick Farrell:

per stream, you know, and so you get a million streams, and it's 50 bucks. That seems a little lopsided to me. But I heard him on Howard Stern recently, and it might have been a replay. So I don't know when it actually was recorded, but I don't know that he went back. And the attitude for him was egos. Yeah, I think as big as beef was with Joe Rogan, and the guests that Joe had on and plus, you know, Joe's stance on things. And that, you know, it's like, Hey, I can't be on the same network that also endorses this while Yeah, I get free speech, it's all good. But I don't my songs and my music, and my, you know, whatever, soul doesn't align with this stuff. So I'm gonna, I'm not going to be a part of it. So, no, he didn't care. He didn't really care. You know, he gets enough revenue streams from other places. And I think he sent a big message to them. But then again, you know, you know, life goes on over at Spotify, and Joe Rogan's still there doing a show. So you know, who knows, but listen, if he doesn't care for him, and he knows that he can sleep easy at night, knowing that he's not part of this thing that he highly disagrees with. And, you know, good on him to be able to do it. It I don't think it tumbled the the house down by him doing it, but certainly raise some awareness. But I'm surprised artists don't band together and find a way to get you know, more revenue from the streams. I don't know even how that works. And it seems like it's a little bit still the Wild West, you know, and the only people making money are Spotify, and not the artists, that Spotify, you know, they both need each other. You know, without Spotify, there's a lot of streams and music not being heard. But without those artists, there's no Spotify, and there's gotta be a happy medium, you know?

Chuck Shute:

Absolutely. What do you think, Joe? Yeah, well, I

Joe Scibilia:

kind of agree with Troy on that. And as far as Neil Young goes, I mean, I don't think he does he need Spotify? Probably not. Does Spotify need him? Probably not. So either way, you know, split there, go their own ways, and you know, be happy.

Chuck Shute:

I don't know. Yeah, it's just I just find it ironic that this is the guy that sings keep on rockin in the free world. And then he's like, if you don't do what I say that just seemed very odd. I thought he was this like, hippie, free love kind of guy. And then he's like, he demanded that Spotify take down Joe Rogan episodes because he didn't like what Joe Rogan was saying. And I just thought that was very odd for the guy. That was what I thought was like a hippie was about free love. And, you know, that's what I I'm a fan of Joe Rogan. I know, that's maybe that's not politically correct. But I think he's, it's interesting, because he has different kinds of opinions. And some people you might not agree with, and some people you love. And that's, but that's, I think that's any show nowadays, like, I know that people don't listen to every episode I do on a podcast, I'm sure they just listen to the ones they want to do, because there's so many podcasts out there. So I applaud Rogan for having different opinions and people with different backgrounds, not all the same. I wouldn't say he's a right wing guy. But I also wouldn't say he's a left wing guy, even though he claims to be a left wing. So I don't know. It's it's interesting that the Neil Young, and again, I thought that once Neil Young said that, I thought they'd all but everyone else, nobody said anything. So it was kind of interesting. So and I agree with you, Troy, I think that you think they would be able able to band together. And either I don't know, if it's boycott, or come together on an agreement that I think the Spotify system is cool, but I do think they should get paid at least a little bit more. I also see the way that a lot of musicians are making money on other things like coffee, and podcasts and merch and all sorts of cool stuff like that. I think that's kind of the future too is and touring obviously, is huge thing as well. Yeah.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I mean, well, you know, touring, you know, lately, you know, due to the pandemic, and and bus shortages and fuel going up, you know, touring, touring is actually very difficult, in fact, a lot of bands like anthrax, and you know, that's a notable heritage act that pulled out of Dayton, in Europe, because they're gonna come back upside down, you know, meaning, you know, in the red. So, you know, touring revenue is not what it used to be, because of how expensive is right now. And then. And then the other thing is, is, you know, touring was what a lot of bands used to survive, because who's buying new music, you know, you put, you know, bands, put out music, and it goes up on YouTube, or maybe hits radio for a little bit, and they get a little spike for a second. And then, you know, a couple of weeks later, it's gone. And so they can only, you know, think about the album physical album sales, I mean, that that's not even a term we use anymore. You know, everything's streamed. And so while there is a revenue stream there, you know, reflecting on Spotify, it's not what it used to be. It's not, you know, a quarter a song or whatever, when it played somewhere in Kansas City or something all over the nation, that that that business model is gone. And so touring is really what bands leaned on. And now the last couple years, that's even been very difficult. So it's a little upside down right now in the world. Definitely for

Joe Scibilia:

sure. Touring. I mean, you can correct me Hey, Troy Are you know more about the Torian aspect, but as far as I know, you budget your tour. So if you're out on the road, and someone comes down with COVID, or Sup, and you got to cancel two or three shows, your budgets all screwed now,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

that's why you're calling Jason McMaster to come in right shows, you know, and in this day and age, with COVID. That's why a lot of bands are subbing out with guitar techs or drum techs or you know, who are having, you know, especially like in the case of, now, this is very much of a rumor, but from a reliable source, but a rumor that the guys and I don't actually buy into the rumor, but I think that this happened somewhere in the last year or so, or two years of major tours in some band. The rumor was that the guys in classless act all had to rehearse with Motley Crue as each guy, you know, to replace the drummer or the, you know, guitar player, the singer, the bass player, right? In case one of those guys went down to keep the tour going. Now, like I said, very much a rumor in that instance. But I definitely believe that all these alias bands that are out there, have guys waiting in the wings. So if somebody goes down, you know, because you lose one show and, and like Guns and Roses, that's a million dollars, and then it trickles down to the local help. The Touring help the bus driver that you know, the hotel, I mean, it is a it is a big, big deal. And the bigger the band, the bigger the deal. So a lot of these bands now have, you know, second third guys waiting for the phone call. And if somebody can't do a gig, boom, there's another guy in there, there's a sub up on the stage, you don't recognize them. But whatever the show goes on,

Chuck Shute:

ya know, fascinating. That's a really good point. So with new music that's coming out which we'll get to our top five albums and songs of the year, but some of the biggest songs, Three Days Grace and Shinedown. It says a read that they each have songs that topped the Billboard Mainstream Rock Songs chart, the fact that they have both been topping the charts since the early 2000s. And keep trading places for band with most songs to the top the chart elicits discussions about the staleness and dormancy of modern rock radio. So, Joe, I'll ask you about that, because I like some of the three days great songs I'm sure I like some of the Shinedown songs, but it does seem like rock in terms of new music is kind of stuck in that like 2003 or 2005 ish kind of mold of rock. And there hasn't really been a lot of innovation. In terms of new rock bands, it seems like they're either just regurgitating older stuff. You've got like the you know, like the Greta Van fleets are kind of doing a zipline thing. And then you've got just this like shining down Three Days Grace, it's kind of a 2005 rock that just kind of stayed the same for the last almost 20 years. What do you think?

Joe Scibilia:

I agree. I agree with that. Now, I will say I don't listen to a lot of radio, regular radio. So I don't know a lot of the new stuff that is coming out. Unless it's something that I saw on. Someone told me about or I saw it on social media and checked it out. Or, you know, that's how I hear about new music nowadays. Most of the time, I'm listening to your podcast, Chuck. Oh, thank you. But yeah, so I mean, Shinedown great band. I love Shinedown. I had Eric bass on my show, the bass player for Shinedown. And he was talking about how I think at that time, they just beat Van Halen for the most number one singles or something like that. But there has been no new music, since, like you said, the mid 2000s that I can think of

Chuck Shute:

that like that. In terms of that sound. I feel like right, evolving. There's things that you know, I like some of these newer bands, and I like what they're doing. But it doesn't seem like there's a new sound See, I thought like Nine Inch Nails, and that kind of thing. I thought that was going to be the next phase of rock if that was going to be more of an industrial thing with you know, with electronic, but I don't think that stuff really took off as much.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

No, boy, what do you think? Well, I liked that the guy that plays bass in Shinedown is Eric bass and not Eric bass. That's truly brilliant. Awesome. You know, you mentioned Greta Van Fleet. And you know how they took from Zeppelin. But you know, Zeppelin took from a lot of the Chicago blues guys, you know, so it's all about you know, and this will go back to my, or when we get to the top five. Remember this conversation. A lot of the bands on my top five are sort of like throwback bands, brand new bands, kids that are in their 20s. And in here, they are playing music, and I'm like, Wow, this this sounds like old kind of 70s stuff, but it's their new take on it. And I'm like, Wait, how old are these guys, you know, so, you know, everything old is new again. You know, I don't know if the Billboard charts are dictated by, you know, request in streams or whatever. It's so different when we had dial MTV and used to call your radio station and Rick Just a song that was you know, that was like, Wow, we got 100 phone calls today and 70 of them were for this band and you know, whatever. I don't know if it's just based on airplay and you know listen I don't know payloads around anymore but who's Greece? And what wheels to get their their new music played? I don't know if that I've even trust those charts anymore and who How is it gauged? How is it? Right? I don't even realize that so I don't even know you know is it is based on plays because people want to hear it or because the station is behind it. Or because it's in the stations best interest to get behind it. You know, I feel like that stuff that old pail this stuff is still around, you know, and that well, and there's

Chuck Shute:

a lot of like buying streams or there's, I think I can't remember who was some rapper, somebody's telling me about had like a bunch of like smartphones all playing his song on repeat over and over again, to get his plays up.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

It's not like buying followers on Twitter. And

Chuck Shute:

it's the same kind of stuff. I mean, that stuff goes all over. But a lot of times with the with the followers, you can you can kind of tell because people will buy the followers and then it's like, and then their posts get like three likes, you know, like we have a million followers why? Why is your posts only getting seven likes?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Well, that kind of goes with the band that I was associated with. And, you know, there were, you know, the number may not be right, but the point is the same as that there would be you know, a million followers or whatever. And then, you know, and I'm like, wow, that's interesting, but you know, what, why is this not bigger than what it was? You know, and why when the band post a video, there's two likes and one, you know, retweet and one comment, like, that's weird. There should be, you know, at least 1% Or should be at least you know, 1000 Yeah, or whatever. So, you know, I don't know that that has ever been a good thing to look bigger than what you were and if anything, I always thought that if I discovered a new band, and I was like, Oh my God, these guys are awesome. And I'm gonna like them. I'm gonna share them or whatever I got in from the ground up. But then, you know, here's a band that comes out all the sudden they have a million nobody's ever heard of them. Nobody knows who they are. Yeah, a million things. You're like, oh, this is like, I don't know, it's weird. This is weird. Like, they're super popular, but nobody knows them. And so you don't feel like you don't feel good about finding them. You know, but you find a band that's got like 1000 likes and whatever. And they got a little juice here and there. They play a couple cool opening gigs. You're like, oh, I want to get in on the ground floor on this because I want to watch his kids grow up, you know, and that's exciting to me. So buying followers and doing all that other stuff buying streams, the payola? You know, I don't know, it's a little weird to me. So my point is Three Days Grace, are they getting the spins because people want to hear them for because they're just being pushed by the big machine?

Chuck Shute:

Well, I think it's just because it's safe, right? Like they are people know them people like them. I think that Three Days Grace and Shinedown do have a big following. And then it brings me to my next story about the Foo Fighters. So like the Grammys come out and the Foo Fighters when what do they when they want all the three of the music, the Rock Music Awards, Best Rock Performance, Best Rock song, Best Rock Album, and I feel like it's just because like, it's the Foo Fighters are safe. Everybody likes the Foo Fighters. They're still putting out new music. Give it to the Foo Fighters right? And I guess Dream Theater won Best Metal Performance, but I feel like there's just too much safety in rock. I want some new exciting, who's the new guns and roses where you're just like, Oh, these guys are fucking crazy. These are you gotta see a show. This is insane. I feel like it just doesn't exist right now.

Joe Scibilia:

I don't think we have one.

Chuck Shute:

Now yet, I know I hope that it comes but I just it just makes me think of like the safety thing with let's just play the safe bands, say for the Grammys, say for the awards, all that kind of stuff. I don't know.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I mean, here's how I weigh in on the foods is that and a lot of people you know, kind of like Dave Grohl again. But Dave to me is quite cool. And in The Foos aren't that good. And so while on one hand, of course, they're up for stuff because they are constantly out there. They're constantly putting out albums, they do, you know, creative videos, they do creative collaborations. I mean, really, they do some really great stuff. So I get it. But on the other hand, you're right, I don't give that much credit to the, you know, the award shows because they're not that smart. And they're not that intuitive. So while it is okay to give it to the Foo Fighters, that's an easy, that's an easy thing to do. I don't feel like they're looking outside the box. And you know, foo fighters should always be involved in any rock category. They're always going to be your go to band because they're very popular. They know how to do it. They know how to do it. But man, there's a lot of young bands out there right now that that deserve to have a little bit of that spotlight for sure. Yeah, absolutely.

Chuck Shute:

Well, another old school band that I love, I think we all love Skid Row change singers this year and I think it really reinvigorated the band. I love the new album. I will get To the you know, our best selves or whatever, but, you know, new singer Eric greenwall. I think the new song was amazing is this the trend for older bands is to reinvigorate either with lineup changes as a singer change, or just going back to your roots and playing making new music that sounds like your old music, because I feel like some some of these older bands are trying to catch up with the times or whatever. And it's like no, I mean, it's like their producer, I forget who it was that they raved about this producer for the Skid Row. And he said, he goes, Look, I want to make an old school Skid Row record, I want to make it sound like Skid Row and a lot of the stuff they brought to him ideas. He's like, That's cool, but that's not Skid Row. I want to make a skid row record and I think they succeeded. What do you guys thoughts on the new singer and the new music?

Joe Scibilia:

I you know, I think Eric was the best thing for them. I think he saved Skid Row. I think if I mean, let's face it they had after Sebastian they had Johnny Salinger was in the band for a few years, which I didn't mind Johnny, a lot of people didn't like him. But then we went to Tony Hoare now, which I don't think was a good choice at all. I love Tony, but I don't I didn't understand that decision. And then we went to XEP. Which same thing, it just didn't feel right. And then Eric comes in, and sounds almost identical to Sebastian at times. And their music went back to the skid row that they used to be with his voice. It just it was a match made in heaven. You know,

Chuck Shute:

I think so too.

Joe Scibilia:

What do you think? I think that's what a lot of the bands, these type of bands should stick to what they do well,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

yeah. When you mentioned the bands may be chasing the trend of music to try and stay current, you know, so an 80s band chasing maybe a 2000s trend. It's kind of like when I'm chasing the wide receiver that got 37 points on fantasy last week. I should put them in the lineup this week. No, it doesn't work. So that's my boy, it doesn't work. As far as so I saw one of Eric's first shows in Vegas opening up for the scorpions and had a chance to meet him. And I think I saw him on maybe show too. So it was very early on. And he had just met the band days before that. And I'm gonna put out another rumor. It's a rumor. Listen, I have no credibility. Nobody cares. My mom doesn't even believe half the shit. I say, Where are you getting these rumors? I just make them up as I go. But no, again from reliable sources that initially the and you might be able to fact check this if we look into it. I want to poke the bear literally find out if you want to do some research you guys. But the initial move from ZP to this is your blabber mouth right here, bro, from XEP to Eric was because the scorpions required everybody to be vaccinated at their show and XEP would not get vaccinated. So that started the we need a new singer. Then they heard of this Eric guy who fucking sings his ass off. And I'm waiting for my my internet to go down right now. And, you know, he he was asked to record like demo, you know, we're in the middle of an album that we've already recorded, already tracked many tracks with XEP. And, you know, hey, can you track these songs, and he came back and tracked one of the songs for the first time ever. He's never recorded in a home studio. He had to do it all himself, take the music, do his vocal, send it back to them. And they were like, Oh my God. And And here, you know, here we go. They got you know, the gang's all here. And the band is together and I think it's a happy accident but I'm not hearing because you know, somebody this this cassette tape of this kid showed up on their desk. It was prompted by the fact that XEP would not get vaccinated and they were they were gonna have to figure out who's gonna sing for him. And

Chuck Shute:

oh, how has that story not come out or has it and you're saying that's why we could fact check it.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I don't know if you could fact check it I might be making it up but I'm telling you there's a story there.

Chuck Shute:

Stevie Rochelle tough I hope in the middle slideshow, writing this down.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Maybe I'm making it up. I don't know. How can I have my asshole? Like, no, I love that. But you know, anyway, as far as the nostalgia acts sounding like nostalgia acts I think that's what they need to do. And I think that album sounds like the skid row that we all know and love and is it Sebastian Bach no it and I'm okay with it. I they put on a great show. And there's you know, three of the original guys and the main songwriters up there and and I applaud them for doing it. I think Eric's a great addition he's super humble. He's a great dude and he's fitting in quite swimmingly and and listen that you know, there's always the talk about it still to this day. Should Sebastian Bach get back into Skid Row? The answer is no, no good would it do for Skid Row because once that marriage again divorces, Sebastian Bach is branded as Sebastian Bach, he does well as Sebastian Bach Skid Row would now be without a singer. And this is the first time arguably in many decades or whatever, that they actually found a guy that is their guy. And so the biggest mistake that could do is to bring Sebastian Bach back in the band. It's not worth all the money in the world. And it wouldn't, it wouldn't push them. I mean, it would do him Sebastian Bach, a lot more good than it would for the guys in school. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

I don't think they have any interest zero. They have no interest in doing that. I mean, if they would, if they had interest, they would have done it. Because I think snick told me or I heard him say in an interview that they've had, like, big offers to bring him back. And they're like, Nope,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

we're good. So they're super smart to do that. Because when it fails again, or when they go the opposite way, Sebastian could go back to be being Sebastian, which he's done quite successfully for years as a solo artist. And Skid Row is now going to have to re identify themselves as we got to replace Sebastian again. And they've struggled with it for for many years. And I think they finally got it right now, the biggest mistake they could make is to bring Sebastian back in the band, and I apologize. You're fine on your own Dude, we all know who you are. It's all

Chuck Shute:

absolutely. Well, another band that replaced their singer this year was a great white, replace their singer and added Bret Carlisle, which I thought was so cool, because I actually had him on my show, when he was in a band called All or nothing, which I don't think hardly anybody knew about, but I found them randomly. And I was like, This guy, this band is amazing. The singers amazing. I gotta have these guys on. So I was really happy for him. And I think that's another one where it's gonna sound better with the younger guy, because I think a lot of these songs like Skid Row songs and great white songs. I mean, when you're screaming like that, I don't know that you can do that in your 50s and 60s, I think it's a lot easier to bring in a young guy to hit all those notes live. I think it's a lot better. And I'm really happy for Brett, what do you guys think about that one?

Joe Scibilia:

I haven't heard him with great white. I've heard him with all or nothing. And I thought he was a great singer. But have not heard him with great white. And all or nothing. They did that song Dead or Alive with George Lynch. Yes. And Terry loose from XYZ, which was killer. Yeah. And then. But I mean, I don't know. I don't know what to say about great white. I

Chuck Shute:

haven't heard it yet. Yeah, I'd love to see him live would be amazing.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, you know, when when Andrew got into that band, Andrew, Andrew Freeman is another one of those guys. he's a utility guy, you know, and, and he's filled in for a lot of bands, you know, he's doing last in line, which I feel like that's where you should hang his hat. But he's, you know, he's done, you know, bullet boys and lynch mob and, you know, fill them for whatever. And that's all cool. I think when you continue to do that, then you become the generic guy that you know, you're the face this guy comes in, fills in for gig and then you're gone. And then you know, you don't really have an identity. Andrews voice doesn't really pop until he's really pushing a lot of air and singing and he's got that, that that throat that grasp that power. Great White is not that Jack Russell is not a powerful loud singer. He's a very soft blues singer. And that kid they have in their band can do that. And it's not that one guy is better than the other the it's just very different technique, you know, like, you know, for me, I'm a I'm a, you know, kind of fall on the floor rock drummer. And, you know, does that make the jazz drummer better? We'll probably because jazz is really hard, but you know, a soft drummer that, you know, it's just a very different approach. And so for this kid to be able to come in there and sing rock me in that very first, you know, where it's just he's almost whispering the lyric Andrews voice doesn't heat up until he's pushing, you know, but that's his voice. And that's why he does a band that does a lot of do and now they have a lot of new original music that is sort of framed around that. Do you know that band, and that requires a lot of power, you know, but the other thing about Ronnie James Dio Is he also knew how to whisper like a bird too. And that's because he's Ronnie Jim Steele.

Chuck Shute:

Ya know, he's a legend, isn't he? The guy that made this up. Isn't that that's a rumor anyways,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I'm going with that. I'm cool with that. Yeah,

Joe Scibilia:

that's a Troy rumor.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

that's another rumor. Very, very reliable source.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. So another big story of the year was a Pantera. They finally came back. They did a reunion, of course, you're missing your founding drummer and founding guitarist, who were basically the founding members of the band. I think Phil came on he was kind of like a hired gun kind of like skid row in a way like we're Skid Row was a band and then they hired Sebastian Bach. I think Panthera was the same way. They hired Phil. However, singer is a huge part of the band. So they got the singer and then of course, they have the original bass player Rex Brown. And then the replacements they got I mean, they got Zakk Wylde on guitar and Charlie Benante on drums. I mean, it's pretty cool. If you're a Pantera fan like the thing is for me He's like, I was a Pentair fan. I went to see their concerts when I was a kid. I haven't been able to see a concert in 20 years or whatever. So I think it might be kind of fun just as hear those songs played live. So I don't know, what are your guys's thoughts are either one of your Pentair fan?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Tickets? Well, you know, I am. Listen, I'm aware of them. I'm not but you know, all their all their tunes that are their hits. You know, I dig it and I dig the there's a time and a place for Pantera. You know, and, but, you know, no, they don't really they're not in my playlist at all, but I'm certainly aware of them and fun. Well, not not so fun fact. But a fact is that Vinnie Paul, the last, the last live concert he attended was tantric in Vegas, a show that I played. And then it was, it would be two days later that he passed away and, and, you know, I would see him I didn't I didn't know him. I mean, a lot. Like he's a friend. Like if you lived in Vegas, and you went out a lot. He went out a lot. And he knew everybody and was kind to everybody. He and I didn't really know each other, but we knew each other and I felt like felt like he was aware of me in some weird way. I don't know why just, you know, oh, hey, that's that dude's drunk, whatever. And I would see him like Vamp counts Vamped in Vegas. And we, you know, we just give a little high B on the way and he'd be on the way out, he he'd have an entourage of people. And I don't know if it's just because he was just that way, or if he just like, Oh, I think I know that guy, you know, and I met him on tour with, with white line. You know, we after a party played in Texas, we went to their bar. And I don't know if he remembers that. I don't know. But just a great dude. And yeah, so two days after two or three days after he went to the tantra gig in Old Town, Las Vegas, that that's when he passed away. I was like, wow, that's the last live show that he went to. And and that's that's kind of weird and interesting to me. And you know what I mean? But yeah, just super kind. Even though we didn't talk we didn't hug or anything, we just kind of gave like, just a nod. Like he just was a cool guy. As far as them going out. Eddie trunk likes to call them Panthera 2.0. And part of the big deal, not the big deal, but part of the connotation is that there's two guys in the band. But you know, right now, Rex Brown, I think is just recovering. So it's kind of parent Panthera 1.0, I want to call the band, if you're gonna go out there and call it a Panthera, you know, tribute or whatever owed to I think it should be called Pantera retribution. And then you highlight the word tribute, because it is a tribute to dime. And Vinnie and to the music of Panther. And I have no problem with with those guys going out there and doing that. Should it say that hantera logo like it is? I don't know. It's all about branding. It's all business. I don't know. I don't know how fans feel about it. But they certainly have the tails wagging of the promoter dogs out there for sure.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, well, I think they have the blessing from the families, supposedly, and so

Troy Patrick Farrell:

yeah, relies on board and everything. So it's just interesting,

Chuck Shute:

because like, you have like quiet riot who? I know. I think already started I was back now but I mean, for for a minute there. There was literally zero original members of quiet riot and they were still I guess people were kind of pissed about that too. But I don't know, it just makes you think like, what's going to happen? A lot of these bands like eventually, is quiet, right? Like ever gonna end? Is it just gonna keep going? You know? I mean, it makes you makes you wonder.

Joe Scibilia:

But why does it need to end? Oh, really?

Chuck Shute:

I mean, yeah. What does Eddie trunk always say? Like, people fans vote with your wallet. So if people are paying for it, I guess that'll just keep continuing if people want to hear those songs. It's like I had on I mean, really obscure. But I'm a big fan of the rocks gang. I love that band. I discovered them in the 90s in Seattle. And I mean, I think they I'm sure they had broken up. But by the time I was over 21, I could see a show and I don't think it ever came to Seattle. So I had that guy on and I was like, dude, when are you going to do a show? Like is the rocks gang I used to do? Like, some select shows. He's like, No, I will never do a show. As rocks gang. I was like, okay, so but it's like, I want to hear those songs live. I think it would be fun. I don't think they're big enough to have a tribute. So I don't know, it's kind of one of those things. If there's enough people that want to hear the songs. I think that they'll continue on and just keep making music.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, you know, I had Eddie trunk on my show yesterday. Does that the other yesterday, Wednesday. And we talked about that and what bands get a pass and what bands don't you know, and he had talked about Leonard Skinner and the thing that he felt delineates them from the other bands like The foreigners or whatever, is that, you know, in some way, the fact that Gary rossington and then the guitar player from foreigner occasionally or they're foreigner puts it out there that this is a tribute to the family members, the family of of Leonard Skinner and the music of Leonard Skinner, you know, but you know, it still says Leonard Skinner on your ticket and you know, whatever, you know, so I don't know if they need to Put that I mean, does that change how you feel about it? And I said, Well, Eddie ago, you know, where do you cross the line on some of that? You know, because there's, for example, great example, quiet riot, you know, where do you cross the line on? Well, oh, well, that's not fair. That's not, you know, being represented the right way. And he says, you know, it's on a case by case basis. And so, you know, I guess you have to do your due diligence and look up to see who's in the band, and see if it's okay for you. But, you know, the thing about foreigner that he felt that foreigner got a pass was well, foreigner was never a band, like, for example, Aerosmith, you know, with a Steven Tyler and a Joe Perry, you know, or Bret Michaels and CC DeVille. You know, there, it was pretty much a faceless band, you know, so they get a pass because no member really stood out, but their catalog was so strong, which I find that to be very interesting, you know, because you put a line in the sand but then you move it based on Well, nobody cared about the guys and foreigner anyway, they love the music. So it's okay being foreigner and it's okay for foreigner to not go up there and say it's a tribute but for Lynyrd skittered, they have to go, you know, or they get a lot of a lot more respect for the fact that they say, Hey, we are doing a tribute to the music, you know, and to everybody that's been in this band. So it's a weird thing. It's a weird thing back in the day, we and Edie and I talked about this yesterday, you know, if one member changed, you know, even if the drummer wasn't there, it was a big deal. Now, today. You're lucky if the drummer is even, you know, aware that his band still touring? I mean, you know?

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, so there's another one then. So you had Van Halen, which I don't think this happened, but this was a rumor, adjacent Newstead from x Metallica, he did an interview and he said, Yeah, Alex Van Halen approached him about a participant in a possible Van Halen tribute tour with Joe Satriani, Jason Newstead and then I don't know if it would have been a Roth or hegre Maybe both. But that's that's kind of interesting to do a Van Halen tour without Eddie Van Halen I mean, what have Alex Van Halen but I mean really, it's the band was known for the guitar player, right? I mean that that's a really interesting one to me. And what do you think about that?

Joe Scibilia:

I'm not sure how that would work. That way it would be weird in my opinion.

Chuck Shute:

I call it attributed I guess but I don't think it's gonna happen right?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I hope I think as long as Mitch Malloy is in sing you know here's here's the thing about that first of all going out and doing a tour I don't think so doing what Foo Fighters did for Taylor Hawkins doing a you know having your you know your main guys you know obviously have Alex but the you know, Where's where's Michael Anthony? You know, have Wolfgang involved have Roth have agar. Everybody put their gloves off and give Edward Van Halen the proper sendoff? You know, and how many guitar players out there would love to do a tribute to their hero and be a part of it. It might even bring Vito brada out of the woodwork. You know what I mean? But that is the weirdest story of 2022 in my mind, because Newstead came out, and then it sort of got denounced and it didn't get you know, yeah, I

Chuck Shute:

was like, No, this can't be real. It was so real. And he's like, No, it's real. Yeah, but

Troy Patrick Farrell:

it just seems like a like a bad idea that actually probably should have have never been, you know, listen, we come up with ideas. We brainstorm. We try and be creative. I'm sure the heart was in the right place. But I don't think that should have been something that really should have been shared. Because if anything, it just adds any more it adds more aggravation to the fact that Eddie Van Halen hasn't received you know, his his proper tribute is proper send off and I I commend his kid for going up there during the send off to Taylor Hawkins to do some Van Halen material and rip the face off of that guitar playing his dad's licks and so, you know, I feel like we got to care and yeah, you know, so I don't That's a weird story. To me. The whole thing that Newstead, like I don't get him

Joe Scibilia:

is where does he come into play here?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

And you know, Satriani is obviously great, but is he the guy? I don't know. Like, I feel like there's other guys that that would wave the flag a lot. Maybe a lot better. I don't know. The whole thing is so weird.

Chuck Shute:

That was a weird one. Okay, this is another weird one. The nirvana. Nevermind. I don't know if I can say this with a straight face. So the kid that was on the cover of the baby, you know, the naked baby on the nevermind, that's naked in the pool. He sued the band for child pornography. Like, what is this? Like? 30 years later? 30 years later, he's saying that he was abused. And I think I think what happened to they finally I think they threw the case out because it was just ridiculous. I mean, this is a kid who bragged for years like I'm the kid on the Nirvana nevermind cover, and then he sued Who's the band? I mean, that was just so cringe to me that that was probably the weirdest story of the year for me.

Joe Scibilia:

Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

You know, I'm gonna say I think it helped us or hurt it hurt his dating. Listen, that whole story is beyond bizarre because I think he thought maybe he would just get like an out of court settlement or something but yeah, he's he's been at like conventions or whatever and he's had something tattooed I think is nevermind tattooed on his body or whatever. And I think he went to court, you know, two or three times, you know, he kept swinging the bat and missing and ultimately, the court says, you cannot bring this case anymore here. And, and rightfully so. And it's like, Dude, I don't know the motivation that I don't know if he's got rent do or something. But yeah, that was a weird thing. Like, embrace that and be, you know, he was like, saying, I was exploited and whatever. And it's like, you know, I don't really know the story, but I think pornography has to involve some sort of weird intent or whatever. It's a baby in a pool. I mean, it's like, if you can sexualize that he's the one that sexualized that nobody else did. You know what I mean? So, yeah, it's weird. It is weird. It is weird. I gotta get that guy on my show.

Chuck Shute:

Oh, there you go. Yeah, pick his brain figure out what he was thinking about that one. Obviously. Another huge story of the year Motley Crue Def Leppard, the stadium tour, it finally happens. I think it was, I was just reading today to that it was actually the biggest tour of the year, which is like, again, it goes back to that theme of there's no new rock bands. We're all just like living in this past. Era, which was great. I love that era. But it was interesting. That was the biggest rock tour of the year over 100 grossed $273 million. And Nikki six is saying, oh, yeah, people said rock is dead will suck my dick because it ain't like so I don't know. What did you guys see the tour? I saw it on Phoenix. We missed some of the opening band. We got there just in time for poison. Poison was good. I don't like I realized I don't think I like stadium tours very much. I think it's the acoustics are not very good. And I paid for like a really like a good seat was like 30 rows back. But even 30 rows back is so far away in a stadium. So I was I don't know. I think it's gonna probably they're gonna tour again, I don't know that. I'll see it again. I don't know that I really need to. But I said that last until I was like, I'm done seeing Motley Crue. And then I always end up going.

Joe Scibilia:

Do you see it? You know, it's it. I think it was a great tour. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. But I understand why it was so successful. I mean, you had three of the biggest bands, that air together. You know, I work part time at a retro store and we sell a lot of concert shirts. And I'll tell you Motley Crue poison, they go to the 1516 year old coming by Motley Crue is probably our top selling shirt. Wow. So a lot of these kids that are hearing this music now have never had the chance to see these bands. So I think that helps with it. And also, you know, the parents that have kids that were into that music are taking their kids to see these bands now. So I can see why it's very successful.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, I think we talked about this. Troy when I was on your show, I can't I can't remember if you had seen the show or not.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, you know, I missed it. With that, you know, I think the fact that those guys went out and did this arena tour where they sold nearly 38,000 tickets a night doing a rock tour with, you know, the likes of Joan Jett, who's got some roots in the 70s. And, you know, of course mottely Def Leppard poison poison had the best slot of the night, and then bring out a brand new band like classes act, I think it was very well done. With that being said, you know, I don't know that I would go see it either. Because unless you're, you know, side stage or kind of right up there. It's not, you know, as I get older, it's not really my cup of tea, but I love that they went out there and did that. And they're flying the flag for rock and roll. And, yeah, so I applaud them doing that. And I think it's cool that Def Leppard and Motley are going to continue. They're doing some days with Alice Cooper in the states they've got, I'm sure we'll hit on this. They have a brand new guitar player and John five, which will be an interesting dynamic. And I'll comment on that when we get there. But yeah, I think it's cool. I mean, listen, it's 2023 when this happens again next year, and Motley Crue, who started in the mid 80s 83. Well, I'm sure, you know, way before that, but, you know, the first album came out what 85 or whatever, but I'm sure there's a demo that, you know, they're still out there. 40 years later, and I think that is fucking awesome.

Joe Scibilia:

Yeah. Did you think it was going out? Yeah.

Chuck Shute:

Did you guys think it was awesome when Tommy Lee showed his deck on Instagram at what age he is? I mean, that was a little was a little strange to me. But at the same time, I was like, well, that's Tommy. I mean, I guess but at the same time, I'm thinking, isn't he kind of too old for this kind of shit now he's got like an only fans and stuff. And he, he got up when I went and saw him and he was like, All right, everybody is show your debts and then all the guys show their dicks and I was like, What? What? What? Okay? Are we all kind of too old for this shit? I don't know. There's a part of me that loves him. But there's a part of me that goes, I feel like I'm too old for this shit.

Joe Scibilia:

I think that's Tommy. I mean, Tommy's got to be Tommy. Ya know what I mean? He's always gonna be that way.

Chuck Shute:

You think so? No, I mean, yeah, I guess so. He's gonna be like the old perverted guy at the retirement community. Like I mentioned the girls button. The nurses butts and stuff.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, I guess if you have it, flaunt it, but yeah, you know, I don't know. It's just like, you know, I kind of felt for the people that were out there with their kids. You know, Joe talked about, you know, people bring, you know, your store people. You know, parents bring in their 16 year old kids. And they want the Motley Crue shirt, you know, and then you take your kid at The Motley Crue show in that Motley Crue shirt, and Tommy Lee's shown his hog and it's like, oh, you know, you're covering the I like, Oh, Dad, what what is what is going on? You know, it's weird. I mean, it's it's a little weird. I mean, you know, I mean, listen, Tommy. Tommy's got the engineering, you know, is, you know, the dude six, whatever, slim, whatever. He looks good. And you know, but yeah, you know, you're in their 60s. It's like, you know, keep your dick in your pants you can get do the innuendos, and you can be a little racy. But yeah, keep it together a little bit. You know what I mean? Especially considering, like, what Joe said, is a lot of kids out there now, you know, and

Chuck Shute:

well, yeah, I think some family guy took his kids there. And I can't remember he sued or he just

Joe Scibilia:

said or something. But the thing with that don't win. If you're going to a motley show, you probably know the history of the band.

Chuck Shute:

That's true. Definitely. I don't blame you. I mean, you gotta know what you're getting into. But although there was probably some people that follow them on Instagram that did not think they're gonna see as Dick that day, just scrolling through Instagram. And they left it up there for like, I

Joe Scibilia:

was wondering, that was one of the first first first pictures I saw that morning.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

It's kind of funny that, you know, people post something about whatever and say, you know, oh, you're a nerd, and they get a 30 day ban me how many leaves? It was almost a day. And I'm like, God, this, this guy is just gifted in many ways. Yeah.

Chuck Shute:

So as you mentioned, Troy, that is another story I did want to talk about, because that is a big deal to me that Mick Mars is retiring, at least from touring, they said, and then John five is stepping in his place. So again, it just goes to these back to this theme of, you know, the replacement players or whatever, and I don't, I guess I don't have a problem with it. Although just I feel like a big part of the music and especially my crews, the guitar sound I'm sure John five can replicate it pretty close to what it is. But I mean, he's a huge part of the band. I mean, do you think it might just be time to go, you know what, guys, we we did it, we did a good run. And we did this nice little reunion. Three years after we said, we're going to do it, you know, because the whole thing was the dirt came out the movie, and that was such a great hit that there was all this renewed interest in the band. They thought, Oh, we got to capitalize on this, we got to go do a tour, which now they've done, but now they're just gonna keep going. So I don't know. Like, again, I just don't know that I would would want to see them again in the stadium. Unless somebody gives me like a red carpet treatment, like, Hey, you can come backstage and you can watch the show side stage. You don't have to fight the traffic, then I might consider going.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Well, I think part of that is because you've already seen it. But as far as as far as whether John five can play the music or not. If you if you watch his Instagram, he's like, Hey, here's me playing, you know? Oh, check it out. I know how you know, it's like, Dude, we get it. You're a guitar player. And you know, the interesting dynamics. So I did the final tour with a band called the raskins. It was us and Alice Cooper and Motley Crue and we opened we were like the classless act of that last tour. We did 56 out of 60 shows we didn't do the Canadian shows. And and then there were the occasion that the production was such a disaster with Tommy's drum rig that you know, we just we got the boot like hey, this we're still trying to figure out if this guy is going to do just one of these like up things or do the whole the the whole arena thing. So if time ran too late, we got clipped and I think it was only in two or three shows that we got clipped. But with that being said, you know, Motley ran tracks, and they ran guitar tracks. And early on, I would see a lot of Mick Mars would miscue and go into the solo and then, you know, threw everybody off me while they're in the middle of a course. So he's soloing and then you hear Whoa, yeah, you know, and he's in the middle of the solo. And everybody's looking around at everybody. I'm like, What is going on here? You know, I think it'll be interesting because I'll be surprised if they run as much tape as they currently do with John five because John five is a mother trucker on guitar. And I think he's going to be like, Hey, let me do this. Let me do this because I can do this. You know, he's a fantastic guitar player. And so should they hang it up? Because Mick Mars has done I think Marsman done for more years than MC thought he was, you know, it, you know, and and if he's in pain, don't put them up there. And if they want to go out and tour, you know, I don't know, I thought their final Tours The final tour there was, you know, a little bit of a selling point on that. And then here they are, they come back, you know, this many years later. And it's like all those people like, it's kind of like getting the, you know, you think you got the last Tom Brady, you know, touchdown and football. And then the motherfucker comes back and sold at the auction.

Chuck Shute:

That's right. I remember that guy didn't feel like a million dollars for it. And then like two days later, he said, I'm not I'm sorry.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

That sounds like that's hilarious. But this is kind of buyer's remorse. Same thing. But yeah, yeah. You know, whatever, let them play everybody else is doing I think John five is a great fit for the band. And you know, he's got a lot of history with Motley Crue. And, you know, whatever. Why not? You know? Yeah. Well, you

Chuck Shute:

had a guy on your show that this was a kind of an exclusive interview that you had Troy was James Kotek. From from Kingdom Come. I think I tried to get the guy like, doesn't have social media or something. I don't know. But he got fired from Kingdom calm. Like, what was the story with that? That was kind of a kind of a big story, I guess. Because he, I think it was he already fired from scorpions or stepped down. And then he was in Kingdom calm again. And then they they fired him from Kingdom comm was not his band.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, I mean, he's certainly one of the OGS of that band. So as I understand it, the reason why I had him on was because he had played a show at the, I think it was the bang your head or Sweden Rock fest, or whatever. And, and he was up there, you know, just slugging it like, it was not happening, you know, and a lot of people are going oh, well, you know, and, and James lost his gig with scorpions due to, you know, I will say, substance abuse, I'm not sure which one or whether it's alcohol or something else, you know, and, and I think he's got a, you know, pretty public record of having some alcohol issues. And, anyway, so, and this is right around when Tommy had broken his ribs, right, and missed the first couple shows and had Tommy Kulu Pharaohs who played with Ozzy or plays with Ozzy and had played with many other bands was filling in at least, you know, initially the whole show, and then initially that, like, you know, then after that was like, five songs, and then Tommy would go and then Tommy cool photos would come in. Anyway, short story long is that when they played that festival, and he was playing all the music super slow, I reached out to him because I have a personal relationship with them, like, Hey, what happened? You know, people were thinking that you're out there drunk or drugs or something, you know? And he said, I fractured my ribs. And I said, Well, how'd you do that? And he said, Well, I fell out of bed. And I said, Were you drunk when you fell out of bed? And I think that was, you know, but that was an honest question. Like, you know, okay, you fell out of bed. But were you? Were you drunk, we needed that. And he's like, you know, so we had fractured some ribs, apparently using the talkie right now. And I think he's just on the sidelines. And I don't think you can fire him from Kingdom come, but they're like, Listen, if we're going to do some shows, and honor our commitments, and people are going to pay us money, they need to make sure that we have all of our members here. And so and I hope that the, the, the reasoning for this is for better health for James, and that they put them on the sidelines, because they care about them, you know, and, you know, and then preserve their commitments. And I'm all about that. Listen, business is business and you know, personal is personal. And you can look after your guys and look after your business at the same time. So I think he's on the sidelines. I don't think he's fired from Kingdom come, you know, as far as I know, so, but yeah, you know, that that show got picked up. And it's my biggest show to date on my on demand podcast site where it's got 70,000 listens on it, and it but heaps above any of the other ones that I've that I've done so. And I appreciate James coming on and just telling me how it is. I mean, the guy's an honest open book. And when he falls down, he will he'll cop to it. And I respect him for that.

Chuck Shute:

So was he drunk for them or?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

No, he was not he was not drunk. He said he just had a mist that fell out of bed and just you know, fractured some ribs and if you fracture a couple ribs, it's impossible and he said he couldn't breathe and and he admitted that they are on a click for certain songs of that of their show. And he's like, I couldn't even keep up to the click. I turned it off, you know, because I was just trying to play as fast as I could because they were doing that song it's one of their faster ones. I can't remember the name of it but so he's like, I had to turn the clock off because I was nowhere near it. And I just did the best I could, you know? Yeah, so that's Joe. You ever played injury? You like it? By the way do you like it was this Son,

Joe Scibilia:

okay, yeah. I've ever played injured.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. Have you ever played injured?

Joe Scibilia:

No, I can't say I have. I mean, I

Chuck Shute:

guess bass and drums is such a physical things, I would think it would be

Troy Patrick Farrell:

rough. I broke my hand last fall. And you kept going, playing softball on a Sunday and I was in my car driving to a Gilby Clarke rehearsal on Monday, I had my entire hand taped up. And I had to change the way I held the stick. We had four days of rehearsals before we went to Mexico, you know, because Gilby Clarke gig is like, you know, kind of far and few between. So he likes to get together and refresh everything. Sure. And, yeah, I broke this matter, carpal right here on the ring finger. playing softball, which is something I've been doing for you know, probably two decades on the Sunday before I had to drive down there and said, Gilby, I'm okay, I'm going to figure this out. But I'm not gonna have a lot of power my snare hand, you know, and, and we ended up getting through the gigs. And once we got through the rehearsal, the gigs were a couple weeks later. And then ultimately, I finally started getting some strength back. So I still have a lot of pain there. But I don't compare it to what James went through with a with a rib fracture, because that, you know, that's your breathing. And that's your bro. Yeah, that's a big deal. So I commend him for being honest and saying, Yeah, I just I fucked up and I fell, and I couldn't get through the gig. But he but he went up there and played.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. All right. Well, that's all I have for the new stuff. You guys have any other news stories? I missed anything? I mean, there's a lot. There's tons of other things. I mean, band member changes and all that stuff. And we'll do the memoriam thing too. But is there any other big news stories that stood out to you guys?

Joe Scibilia:

I got a few. I thought the McMasters thing was pretty good news story, how he just filled in like we were already mentioned on the show. Yeah, but I mean that that's a pretty big deal, I think. Yeah, he so

Chuck Shute:

he filled in for the singer of except. And then was there another one too? Huh? It was insane. That's right. Yeah.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

On the last floor. Yeah. I think he did. At least two shows. And then one of those two, or maybe it was three shows. One was like a hybrid where he did part of the songs and then the armored Saint singer. Is that is that Joey Vera? I'm not sure what the singer is on that. Yeah, he sounds right. You know, he was he was trying to work his way back in. So he did like, so on bush. John Bush. Right.

Chuck Shute:

That sounds right. Yeah. Okay.

Joe Scibilia:

I mean, that's why

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I'm saying that's why I say don't believe my rumors.

Joe Scibilia:

To me. To me that that takes a lot of balls to do something like that, especially as a singer. Yeah, like a drummer or a bass player just you know, fill in in writing, or you're the front not only the frontman, but you're coming out to figure out the melodies, the words, you got to go over those songs and kind of have a good idea of how they go. Yeah, no, you don't necessarily have to know all the words, you could read the words, but you kind of don't have to know how the song goes.

Chuck Shute:

I have heard stories like that, where people had like a day or two to learn the songs or learning them on a plane and listen to them over and over again. So it's good, but singing would be that's one of the hardest, although I will say I mean, I don't know, would you? Would you take the words with you?

Joe Scibilia:

I would if I was a singer. Oh, yeah.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I think you have to even though I mean, I think people knew that he was filling in. I mean, people see armored saint and wash show or except, I mean, you're, that's, that's a blue collar. Those are blue collar bands that the fans are invested. And they know okay, that's not the guy. And so this guy is doing everything he can to make sure the show goes on. And, you know, he admittedly had lyrics on the stage he had to, whereas readers, ketamine had to look down, but he was gonna live. He did his best. Mmm, that's it.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, he can hit all the notes because I saw him with dangerous toys. A few years ago, we drove to Colorado, just because dangerous toys, doesn't do a lot of shows. But I was like, I love dangerous toys. I really liked those songs. And I wanted to see him live. They killed it. It was amazing. It was so that's cool that he was able to fill in for those guys.

Joe Scibilia:

Yeah, he's an excellent thing. You should hear the I should send you the demo. We have up the original stuff. His range on those?

Chuck Shute:

Oh, yeah. For sure. Any other news stories of the year? Well, I

Troy Patrick Farrell:

had a couple that I because I thought that you wanted a lot. I had a couple so we discussed. Yeah. I think Yeah. Here's a couple. I mean, so you know, think about this. The Dave Ellefson thing. I'm just going to do this just one time. You know, my DNA is all over that. So Dave Ellefson, you know, getting assigned now it's so tacky. No, but that's an

Chuck Shute:

old story, isn't it? Because we cover this in the 2021 year end review. Was there something new that happened

Troy Patrick Farrell:

this year? Oh, no. All right. Let's move on. So 2021 with a whole. I don't know.

Joe Scibilia:

I don't know. You just love that. You just wanted to

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I love the fact that he threw me The Interview give some weird innuendo that kind of like, like, it's so weird that he would say, you know, my DNA is all over that he said that in an interview with Eddie truck, pretty much about the fact that his base was re recorded. Yeah, his base packs were scrapped from the the Megadeth album. And they were pre recorded. But he's saying that, you know, because that we recorded them, and we would shop them and did pre production, that, you know, my DNA is all over that. And, you know, with the accusation of what happened, it's like, why would you say your DNA is all over that? That's a weird thing to say, I think he's trolling us, which is awesome. But

Chuck Shute:

that's hilarious. No, because I had him on my show. And I asked him, I was like, you have to you have a sense of humor about because I go every time. I mean, there's so much stuff that people say about you online. Do you laugh at some of that? And I again, I'll tell you, it was a longest pause. What felt like a 10 minute pause. It was probably about a second, but it was a longest second of my life, because I was like, Oh, God, is he gonna get mad? And then he just goes, you gotta have a sense of humor. And I was like, Yeah, okay, so I think he's a pretty chill guy. Maybe he is doing on purpose. I don't know or where people are just looking for stuff. I definitely think blabber mouth is definitely dealing with the headlines, the headlines with anything with Ellefson. Well, they will find if there's any sort of soundbite like that. That will be the headline on Blab about

Troy Patrick Farrell:

that's the thing. Nobody's saying it though. And I'm like, and there's been a couple other headlines. I don't have them there. But it's like, I'm like, wow, why would you say that? So here's another one. What about Sebastian Bach and you know, kind of getting on the Eddie trunk? Train about tracks and stuff. Almost getting into a fight like let's meet at the rainbow and fight with the singer from falling in reverse.

Chuck Shute:

Oh, yeah, I had that on my list. I just didn't we were moving so fast. So that's good. I'm glad you brought that one up.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I think it's interesting that the guy still wants to fight with people and it's kind of goes back to our you know, Pearl Motley. You 6am. Like, you're gonna be that this guy from with the neck tattoo. That's

Chuck Shute:

the shit talk. That's okay, fine. People are older. But like, yeah, physically, like, I mean, to me that the physical fighting, unless you're like a UFC guy or something like that. And that's what you do. The physical fighting to me between two grown men. I mean, it's like laughable to me. I think I thought physical fighting was done in like junior high. I thought that was like, they meet me under the oak tree. I'll kick your ass like, I mean, it just seems very bizarre to me that would he really fight him? And then you see Sebastian Bach on I think it was the Monsters of Rock or one of the cruise things and he's with Michael Sweet from striper because they had talked a bunch of shit in the press with each other and they're hugging. So maybe it's all just for show and for talk. I don't know if Sebastian Amok would really get into a fight if things can't maybe he would I don't know. But

Troy Patrick Farrell:

listen if it's if it's on BET MGM I'm putting all my money on Bach because he's a tall guy isn't all big dude. He would annihilate that guy got the reach? What about let's talk about what about I mean, this is very recent news. What about Germany suing Germany? Like, oh, that one too. They just announced this big tour and and Neil Schoen is is suing and CSUN desisting Jonathan Cain about playing at Mara Lago saying you can't play don't stop believing and then you know, also the the lawsuit on the credit card. But meanwhile, they're they're doing a huge tore campaign for 2023. And I'm like, wow,

Joe Scibilia:

let me get this straight because I don't know that story either. But so they're suing each other but still going on tour.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, I mean, currently, that apparently, although now they're talking about getting, you know, Raleigh back or whatever it was. Who's Who was the original singers that Greg Raleigh.

Chuck Shute:

know Steve Perry from journey? No, no, no, no,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

no more that before that. That's Raleigh. Yeah, there's a guy before Perry.

Joe Scibilia:

He's the one out with Bret Michaels going on the Bret Michaels thing, right?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

No, that's Steve asure.

Chuck Shute:

There's so many out there, yeah, I saw the journey thing too. And I just thought that was. I don't know, it's so weird. It goes back to what you were saying earlier with the political thing where people were, I just don't know that. It's a good it's always a good move for bands to get political. I guess if you're Neil Young, like, you're probably you're most of your fan base is on the left. But if your journey like maybe it's split, I don't know that, like, all the journey fans with Trump are so you might lose a lot of fans and people really don't like Trump. So

Troy Patrick Farrell:

now well, here's the thing. That's the whole thing. And Neil's thing is like, listen, we're not political, and we're not religious, we're a band and for you to go play a very polarizing person's party, or whatever it is. You know what, you know, it's because you have a fiduciary duty to do best by the brand and everybody that's involved in that. So when you go do something like that, so polarizing, so I sort of get it. Now can Neil Young's Drop him from playing don't stop believing at somebody's fucking party. I don't think so legally, but he can certainly make his life a little bit more miserable. I don't know what the business thing is because I feel like Neil is trying to get Jonathan Cain out. Ultimately, you know, there's a whole thing about

Chuck Shute:

Neil, Sean Neil Young.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Neil, Shawn. Yeah, correct. Yeah, I think he's trying to get, you know, because for a better part of the last few years, he's been the sort of the manager, whatever the band. And then there was the lawsuit about the AMEX card and that I think Jonathan Cain was suing Neil about, you know, misusing this credit card, or maybe it's vice versa. I don't know. Everybody's suing everybody. But meanwhile, there's a 2023 World Tour happening. I'm like, How is this gonna go down? I think that's a pretty weird, he

Chuck Shute:

was a little excessive, too. I feel like 50% of the country is, is conservative. And so like, this guy is gonna go down and play that this guy, which I understand a lot of people don't like him or whatever, but at the same time, there's a lot of people that do so. I don't know. I mean, it's kind of like, you gotta gotta, you have to kind of accept that, that that in the same way, you got to just let him do what he's going to do with the journey. I don't, I don't know that it's necessarily. I mean, obviously, you can't hide it, right? I mean, if the guy is conservative, He's conservative. He's not gonna hide it. I mean, people go and play liberal things all the time. And people don't freak out about Katy Perry's Joe Biden ceremony and all this stuff, and nobody

Troy Patrick Farrell:

really cared. I think if you're in a band, it's very different. And if you're gonna play a journey song, which is a band, and you know, it was co written by other people, I think you have to respect that. And respect the boundaries. If you want to play Jonathan Kane's Greatest Hits, go do it go be John Kane of Germany. And here's my favorite hit. But to do a song that represents Germany, I sided with Neil Sean on this one you have to do. Again, it goes back to douchey airy duty to your band where your your freedom of speech doesn't really apply at this point, because you have an agreement with other people. And so you go Listen, your speech, your speech, your speech, and my speech don't supersede any of our speeches. But we all do the best that we represent this band, and what we do, and Neil's like, Listen, I'm not left, I'm not right. I'm not anything, you know. So by him going and doing that. It's sort of, you know, dipping their toes into some polarizing waters. And so I agree with Neil, on that case.

Chuck Shute:

Did the fans get pissed? Is that Is that why at all, Brian,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

he's worried about he's worried about that happening. Yeah, yeah. So

Chuck Shute:

it is a business. So yeah, I mean, it's like you said, if they're in the partners, then they got to pretend again, listen,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Neil, Shawn sent a dick pic to some chick that got publicized too. And that's probably not good for the brand either. So I don't know. Listen, we're all doing weird things.

Chuck Shute:

We are all doing weird things. Any other big news stories? Before I go to the in the morning,

Troy Patrick Farrell:

that's all I have. Except, you know, my DNA is all over. That's it.

Chuck Shute:

All right. So yeah, I mean, memoriam 2022 We lost some some great people as always, just that's unfortunately the way of life I don't think 2022 was as bad as other years. But Taylor Hawkins obviously that was the big one. Alec John Such from Bon Jovi. I feel like I don't think people even remember that. That was like, but he was a founding member and bass player for Bon Jovi meatloaf passed away. This was just recently from Fleetwood Mac Christina MC V. Agreed. I said that right? Yeah. Irene Cara from the front really rocked Flashdance, poor pop music. Steve grim it from Grim Reaper. I didn't. I wasn't super familiar with his band. I remember them from Beavis and Butthead. But I they had a new album coming out. And I just had Steve on my show. You know, few months. I don't know how long ago it was. But yeah, he was super nice. And I was starting to become more of a fan of that band. I was kind of discovering their old catalogue. I was like, wow, these songs are actually really well written and really good stuff. And then he passed away kind of suddenly, the singer of Nazareth, Dan McCafferty. I believe his name is he passed away. And then the final one that I had, as a note was Johnny Z, aka Gianni Zulu, I believe it was he was the founder of Megaforce records, which I think they basically like yesterday. Yeah, so those are all terrible. I think the Taylor Hawkins one was the biggest shock and he's only 50 years old. And it's just always weird when these people in their 40s and 50s are dying of drugs stuff. I just feel like at what point you kind of dial it back from the drug and the alcohol. I'm not saying you can't have a couple of beers or you can't even smoke a joint but it's like when they start doing like the opioids and stuff and they're mixing what he Taylor Hawkins had like it was like opioids and joint and his THC opioids and antidepressants and Alcohol I missed like four different things in his system when he died.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I thought they said there was up to 10 different various things. I think there were quite a bit and, you know, probably varying levels. I don't think, you know, it's, it's, you know, he's cranked out on all of them, but it's just like, oh, yeah, he was having a good time out there. I gotta tell you, I mean, yeah, it's, it's very sad. And, and and think about the impact that that has not only you know, I mean, on the surface on his band and on fans, but I mean, think about his family and his kids. And, you know, I'm sure his intentions weren't too like, I'm going out in a blaze of glory today. But, you know, man, you gotta be at some point. responsible. And, you know, the reality is, you know, when he first got in the foods back in Oh, one he had a bite he got he was almost dead, you know, and got sent to the hospital for an OD. And you think that that's the wake up call? And you know, now he's in Colombia and just, you know, going for and it's, it's sad, because I feel like you put those addictions above his family and that in that family is his band, his kids his wife, not in that order, of course. And, and it's sad. What a fucking shame. What a shame that was,

Chuck Shute:

well, yeah, and especially for Dave Grohl. Because, I mean, obviously, he had to go through the thing with Cobain. So I mean, some people were kind of blaming him, like, he enabled this, like he should have not let Taylor tour or he should have forced Taylor out of the band or put them in rehab or call them out. I mean, I don't obviously Dave didn't stuff the drugs down his throat. But I mean, do you think Dave has some sort of responsibility in this?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Absolutely not no way addicts are going to be addicts, they will find ways they are conniving, they are conniving, there's no way I would ever ever ever level that on Dave Grohl. No way I, I mean, think about the resources they have. And you know, the stuff we don't know, you know, how many times he got sent to rehab or had a helper or somebody monitoring him? No way. No way. And I'm sure the guilt that he feels, he did so much. And he's like, Fuck, I could have done more. I just feel like, I feel like Dave is that kind of guy going Fuck, I could have done so much more. And he probably takes a lot of blame for it unnecessarily, you know, listen at it. They're they're going to be on their own path. And it's sad. It's super sad or all around.

Chuck Shute:

But if he would have fired him or said, Hey, you can't come on the tour. I mean, that that could have been the wake up call, maybe?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I don't think something. So when you're on your deathbed in 2001, that's your wake up call. You got that? He's not gonna be a wake up call. You know what I mean? But

Chuck Shute:

you've, you've been on tours, and you've done live shows? Have you seen a lot of these older guys? I mean, not that 50 is super old. But I mean to be like mixing a bunch of drugs for 10, five, whatever was that many drugs? Again, not just having a few beers or whatever, or smoking a joint like you're literally putting like multiple different drugs in your system? I mean, I've seen a lot of that with people in their 40s and 50s. And 60s, no, not

Troy Patrick Farrell:

really, you know, I mean, here's the thing, I'm not a drug. I've never done drugs. So I'm not like privy to the you know, I'm like, Oh, do just a little bit weird tonight. I don't really know, you know, so I'm sure I've been around a lot of people that have been under the influence of some crazy stuff. But overall, you know, the people I play with are all responsible people. And for the most part, yeah, I have a few drinks. And that's about it. So yeah, I haven't seen a lot of that. And if I have, I've been oblivious to it. Because only because it's not on my radar because I don't do it. So I can't see the symptoms, but

Chuck Shute:

so they don't offer it to you. They don't say you want to do a bump.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I gotta tell you, anybody I've ever played with. I'm trying to think if there's anybody that's ever I don't think anybody that I've ever performed with have ever offered me coke. You know, I mean, there's been weed, or whatever. But, ya know, I've I've never seen that. I've never seen that. All right, Joe, I've been lucky in that way.

Chuck Shute:

Joe, you played in rock bands.

Joe Scibilia:

been offered pretty much everything out there. But like Troy, I'm not a drug guy, either. And, but I've never had any issues with it. I mean, once they know, I'm not interested. It's kind of gone away. You know. So whatever they did, I don't know. But I knew I wasn't interested. It was gone.

Chuck Shute:

All right, well, so we'll just now I think we can move on to our best albums and best songs of the year. Joe, do

Joe Scibilia:

you want to start? What do you want to hear?

Chuck Shute:

I guess we'll start with albums.

Joe Scibilia:

Okay, in any order.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, whatever. You want to count it down or you want to start with the first one. I don't care. Whatever you wanna do.

Joe Scibilia:

Well, let's go with I'm going to read them in alphabetical order. How's that? Okay, sure. You just want me to give you one. Just give me a give me all five. All five. Okay, yeah, there's

Chuck Shute:

a little note or synopsis of each one. I'm sure people know are familiar with the bands that you sent it to me so I think I know the bands.

Joe Scibilia:

All right, well, I'll just go I'll just go down the list then here. Alright, so I've got on there, which I think some of us met you guys may have as well as the Skid Row album. The gang's all here. I think that was a highly anticipated album. Everyone was waiting to see what it was going to sound like. And I think they knocked it out of the park. You know, from the first track hell or high water, I think it's called. As matter of fact, I got some props. Every three

Troy Patrick Farrell:

of them. Why are you giving away There's three of us here, we can equally share,

Chuck Shute:

or we can give it away to my audience members, whoever shares this the most.

Joe Scibilia:

You know, I have three of these though, not that it's just a great album, but it was available available for pre order so early, so I pre ordered it. And I didn't remember I pre ordered it. So I pre ordered it again. So I did that three times. So I go okay. Wow. All right. Well, yeah, great record. So that's one of my albums. I think they knocked out Park. Number one striper and final battle. I mean, if you're a striper fan, and it's it holds up to all the striper stuff, and I also had that as a prop. Wow. Beautiful, beautiful cover.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Even opensignal. Nice final look at the old school. I love the CNN.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, no, that's cool. I had Michael Sweet on the show that we were talking about the cover art. I love the art. The final bounce. Amazing. Yeah.

Joe Scibilia:

I mean, great album. I had Perry Richardson on the show. He actually lives about 40 minutes from me. Nida had him on the show and great guy. And then he told me about the album. So when it came out, I got it. And I gotta say, you know, it's fantastic. transgressors. The title is the first song on that record. And there's a 15 second scrim that Michael Sweet does. Now I don't know if that's studio magic, but it's a really high scream for 15 seconds. I timed it. Dan, he still got it. I gotta say. So if you haven't heard that, check that out. What else? Ultra bridge. You're with them. But yeah, Myles Kennedy. And I think, you know, miles does a couple of things he plays with slash as well. But I think otter bridge to me is where he needs to be. I mean, that's a it's a fantastic band, great album. It's called pines and kings. Check that out. Shinedown their new album, Planet zero. Also a great album. What I like about Shinedown though, is you know, they have those heavy songs. But then they come back with those amazing ballads, I guess you would call them right are just fantastic. And of course, that's what gets them on the charts. And then my fifth one would be a band. You may have heard of hardcore superstar. Yeah, good stuff. So they got a new album out called Abracadabra. And if you're into that genre, like the I want to say it's like a sleazier rock type stuff. Very good album.

Chuck Shute:

Okay, cool. Well, I'll check those out. Troy, you have a top five?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, so I don't have top five albums. But I have top five songs. That's what I was sent. I believe so. I have in this order. Girls on the east side of town tuck Smith and the restless hearts familiar with that one? No, no, very, very Tin Lizzie ish. Can I play a snippet of it? Or is that gonna make like just a little bit or no? Yeah, I think we can do

Joe Scibilia:

are you gonna play Allison three seconds.

Chuck Shute:

If I get cancelled? Yeah.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

All right. So you're not going to run. And so tuck Smith was the original band that was supposed to go on tour with Motley Crue. Okay, and he was okay. Yeah, that sounds familiar. Yeah, yeah. And then things went out. He couldn't get the album delivered. Something happened but very, very Thin Lizzy, check it out. And hear that alright.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. Yeah, people could check it out. I mean, it's a that's I want people to do their homework and discover these go to their Spotify or whatever you however you listen to music, and listen to more than just the salt. Listen to the song. Listen to the few songs.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Alright, so that's girls on the east side of town by tuck Smith in the restless hearts. So another band that I totally dig is dirty honey. Number four would be another last time. Are you familiar with that one? Yeah, you are. Okay. Can we play it? Yeah, look at that. I love it. Right, is it fine? Oh, it's gonna be wave. We're just gonna skip ahead. Just, you know, another organic bluesy ban, you know, but just doing kind of that cool organic rock stuff, which I really dig in. You'll find a lot of commonality in my top five songs of 2022 Nice. All right, and then another one one of my favorite hours. So I will admit that, you know, originally the visuals is what grabbed me in. And this is an artist named Dorothy and she's got a an album and song called rest in peace. And she came out I wish she'd been out for a few years. But the last time she put out is amazing. She did a tour with a hailstorm I think are The Pretty Reckless but she's awesome. Sam BAM Colton. Is there a guitar player also in faster pussycat. Yeah, check out the pipes real quick here for a second Mr. So again, another organic band that's just doing very cool stuff. And yeah, she's, she's BA, in my opinion. And then the next two are the same band. All right, and and, you know, I tried to find like, there's another. Again, these are my top five songs of the year, not my top five bands. And this band is the band that opened up for Joan Jett and poisoned and Def Leppard a motley crew and that would be class this act and this one is all that we are. And they're just, they're just super cool. The singer is a little bit he's like kind of like a Mike Patton kind of like an Eric Dover just just a little off and he's also known as a solo artist. But he also fronts this band. And I think the marriage between these two guys between classes act and it because I don't think he was the original singer. Is is awesome. And he's just a little out there. It enough to make it a little Ooh. And he's also very you know, the band is very kind of like old school. So check this out for a second we're gonna hear me here a

Chuck Shute:

little bit. What song is that?

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Sounds called all that we are.

Unknown:

Yeah

Troy Patrick Farrell:

it's one of those trippy think of Mike. Right? I mean, just kind of out there. And just a little quirky. And it's not it's not an act is the real deal. And my number one song of 2022, again, is classes act. And this one's called circles. And it's a ballad, and I just, I was like, wow, my friend Margot in the Midwest who tunes into my show each and every Wednesday. And I also used to be my band manager when I was 17. So you have to check out this song I'm certainly aware of the band but she's like check out the song justice think just some things don't. So again, check out classes as they are out there. You know, digging in the trenches playing in clubs and you know, just doing whatever they can do to stay afloat and if they're out there playing in your town, and you know, notable extra that I that I missed Of course, anything by the struts. Yeah, sorry, your banner, the stress, you know, and then honorable mention because I love the the bands that are brand new. You know, so I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go that direction, but I gotta tell you, this blew my mind I can't hear it. Was it? If you can't hear it's Luke's aterna Metallica. Oh, yeah. You'd blew my mind. I liked it.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, I like the new Metallica stuff. I'll just combine my best albums and songs then. Because it's pretty much the same anyways, but like, best albums, skid row that again, the the gang's all here. I thought that song was probably one of the best songs I've heard in the last and I told Snake when I had him on the show. I was like, Dude, this is seriously one of the best songs I've heard in the last like 10 years, maybe 20 years. Like I was a huge Skid Row van. They were probably my number one band when I was in high school. So to hear that song, it was like they went back in time and recorded this album. It almost sounds like it's in between the first two albums between the debut and slaves the grind, like 1990 they recorded it. It sounds amazing. I love it. The whole album is great, but that the first song gang's all here. The first single was amazing. I really liked the new Muse album I love I'm a huge news fan. The song we are fucking fucked is just a great song and it's so accurate. And so if you'd like that kind of electronica stuff, it's a little bit that's kind of more than modern rock. That's kind of where I thought right I was gonna head that's good stuff. I also had classes act on my list. Welcome to the show the album. So many songs the whole album. I'm really I just love that whole so I'm mad that I missed them on the Molly tour because we missed even Joan Jett we didn't get the original poison so they are coming to Phoenix like next week, so I'm hoping to go see them in a nice club. It'll be way better than seeing them on a stadium anyways, another album that I love and you

Troy Patrick Farrell:

have a couch I might have to show up out there. Yeah, dude. Cool. I

Chuck Shute:

do I have a couch on my table mattress.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Oh my god. Yeah. They're playing a couch surfing. Yeah, is

Chuck Shute:

my couch is super cozy. As long as you don't mind cats climbing all over you. I got two cats, but

Troy Patrick Farrell:

my wife's name is cat. So I'm good. Yeah, there

Chuck Shute:

you go. Another album and song lit the new lit, I had a I've had both of the brothers on the show. I think the guitar player a couple of years ago, I had the singer this year, he seems like a really cool dude. They kind of grew up in that like 80s Rock phase and played on the Sunset Strip. And then as the music scene changed, their band changed. And I think the name change because I forget what they were called something else they were they're basically a hair band. So you can hear those roots. It's very melodic stuff. And the new album tastes like gold. It's really amazing. And the song drunk on a I think it's called drunk on a plane, which I thought there's a country song in that. But either way, it's a great song song drunk. And it's funny because one of those things where I looked at my Spotify, and it was like, this is your number one song. This is a song you've played the most because it's so catchy. And then finally, I would say actually my number one album, I'd say the Skid Row song is probably the best song and also that lit songs really good. But my number one album, I feel like every song was good is actually the black moods are my local I gotta give a shout out to my guys here in Arizona. Great band, their newest song into the or newest album into the night. I love it's one of those ones where every song is good, especially like the first song is called youth is wasted on the young, great song that the singles are like Hollywood and Saturday night. Also great songs. But if if band ever comes to your town, definitely catch them. They put on a great show. They're they're younger, they have energy, the singer. He's a singer and guitar player. It's just a trio. And he kills a Josh Kennedy. He's a great singer, great guitar player. They do. They do a few covers, and they play live great bands. So that was actually my number one album of the year. So those are my music choices for 2023 There was a lot more that I listened to some of the ones you guys mentioned and many many more. So check out your checkout the music that you like, but check these new ones out if you haven't heard it already. Yeah. All right. And then we have some new albums coming out in 2023. New Metallica which again, you mentioned that song Smashing Pumpkins Godsmack new Steel Panther new Paramore new the killers new dope. So there's a huge list. Is there anything that you guys are looking forward to and 2023

Joe Scibilia:

I'm looking for it. You mentioned Paramore. I had them on one of my songs that yeah, this is why tune yeah. Great song. Great song. We had played a few of the Vans Warped tours with Paramore. Way back when and they've I gotta say they've come a long way with their sound. They've matured. And it's fantastic. So I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of that record.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. Was there any other songs? Sorry, I know you had you had a couple more songs. Right, Joe? Was there anything?

Joe Scibilia:

Yeah, I mean, you're good. I mean, I had the gang's all here of Skid Row, the Paramore tune. I liked the new filter song. It didn't break any new ground for their sound. But I really I've always been a fan of filters. So I like that for the beaten. I don't know if you've heard it. And then there's a band that I found recently called Man askin you ever hear them? Yeah. From Italy? Yeah, their song. supermodel, another great one. Just those are the kinds of songs that just make you want to move that you can't stop moving. And when that happens, I mean, that's a great song.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, absolutely. Well, and then also, so those are some of the ones I mentioned are definitely coming out in 2023. But there's there's maybe rumors that there may be new guns and roses. There may be new Judas Priest there may be a Black Sabbath boxset there could be new winger, if you're winger fan seven does Pearl Jam and Jane's Addiction may may all have new music. It's kind of like in the there's recording and it may come out and is one of those those are all rumors. Yeah. Right, Troy? Yes. I think you've got it from a reliable source. Yeah. And then I think we mentioned some of the tours like foreigner Molly crews coming back on journey, blink 182 I think that's one of the biggest tours because it's a reunion tour. If you blink 182 fan, that Mark had cancer and he's healed from cancer. Now they they brought back the other guy, which I'm spacing on his name, the one that's uh, I love the guy. He's like, he's really into aliens and stuff he'd liked stepped out of the band, so you could work on the alien thing. Now he's coming back. And so that's going to be a big tour. Iron Maiden is going to supposedly tour ZZ Top and scattered. And then you had mentioned anthrax canceling but I heard that they were going to tour in 2023 with Black Label society. In Exodus, so hopefully that happens.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Yeah, they just canceled their European tour. Yeah. Logistics and whatever.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. And then kiss is supposedly supposedly this is the end for this is the final year of the tour I mean to maybe, maybe. And yeah so that's that's it for 2023. So lots to look forward to anything else you guys want to mention or promoted here at the end.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Well real quick top five bands because I did go through this stuff blacker is on my list five down to one, rival sons tuck Smith and the restless hearts Dorothy classes act and then notable entry would be dirty honey, which by the way has a new album coming out in the spring of 2023 Dirty honey, another great band, one of those organic, you know, black moods kind of tuck Smith kind of bluesy, organic, you know, pop rock, everything, you know, it's kind of like a lot of stuff in the blender. And I think we got to pay more attention to the kids out there because they are kicking ass and their parents are raising them right. So let's make sure we support them.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, a lot of new bands. I saw this list bands to watch and 2023 I don't know if I've heard of it. I heard of one of these bands. And that's because I was on another podcast last week a couple weeks ago and they mentioned spirit box. That's one of them. If you guys heard of that band spirit box, Canadian. The architects bad omens Memphis may fire Solons day seeker ever, ever under fire fame on fire loveless and rain city drive. Those are all apparently the new bands to watch and 20 through 23. So I started to listen to all of them in spirit box was definitely one that a couple other people had mentioned too, so I don't know when to watch.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

Right on. Hey, when's that coming in? Is we

Chuck Shute:

I don't think he's ever coming. I think he ditched us. So I don't want to happen. Hopefully it's okay. Matt. Yeah, I know you guys got to do an interview. We've we've gone way over time here. So I'll wrap it up. I always end with a charity. I mean, it's Christmas time right now or Hanukkah or holiday Kwanzaa? Whatever you want to call it. So if you want to donate to like Toys for Tots or Salvation Army, I would say those are those are good ones. To help out people in need. Because this is a tough time for a lot of people struggling not only just to get food or toys or whatever, but like mentally so mental health is another thing but try to think of somebody else during the stressful time where I know everybody's just worried about their own shit that they got going on. Try to think about that person that might not be having the greatest holiday maybe reach out to them. So that's what I'll say. As a final note. Thank you both for doing this. I appreciate it so much anything else? You want to promote your shows your music? Your only fans?

Joe Scibilia:

Yeah, like to promote my only fans actually. Yes.

Troy Patrick Farrell:

I'm your only fan, Joe.

Joe Scibilia:

So I'd like to promote Troy swift after Farrell

Troy Patrick Farrell:

reciprocates you can find any in all about me at drummer troy.com And my show this at another radio show on Wednesdays lab two to 5pm Pacific Standard Time on dirty radio.fm.

Joe Scibilia:

Sweet Joe, like you've done that before.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. No one passes your band. Right? You got new music coming out

Joe Scibilia:

a villain press? Yeah. Well, it's I'd say it's a project not really a budget project because there's no touring plans. But yeah, writing some new music. Five songs will be out hopefully, Jason's been a busy guy, as you guys know. So it's been kind of put on the backburner. But this year, okay, in the spring, and your podcast or podcast, the rock and rock coffee Show. Check that out on YouTube. If you're a fan of Chuck show, it's similar similar type of show, talk to musicians and actors and you know, that sort of thing.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, I was a guest. And now Troy is going to be a guest too. So that'll be fun for all right. Well, thanks, guys. I'll let you get going. And you can do your next interview. Thanks. A little bit. Okay. Well, there you have it. You're in rock 2022. My thanks to Troy and Joe for taking the time to guest on my show. Make sure to check out their shows and you can follow all of us on social media. Of course, as always, your likes, shares and comments on there will help more people see the posts, and I appreciate all your support with my show and supporting the guests. Make sure you're subscribed to the show wherever you listen. Have a great rest of your day and shoot for the moon.