The Geare Brothers (The Retaliators)

Darren and Jeff Allen Geare (The Geare Brothers) are screenwriters. Their latest film The Retaliators is getting rave reviews (currently 88% on rotten tomatoes). The movie stars Michael Lombardi (Rescue Me) as well as many rockstars including Tommy Lee, Jacoby Shaddix (Papa Roach), Ivan Moody (5 Finger Death Punch) and many others. We discuss the production of the film as well as some of the deeper issues they touched on, plus Darren’s Christopher Walken story and more! 

0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:40 - Welcome The Geare Brothers!
0:01:18 - Rutger Hauer
0:02:25 - Christopher Walken
0:07:03 - Working at a Video Store
0:09:04 - Starting a Band
0:11:48 - Foray Into  Writing Screenplays
0:18:24 - Writing  The Retaliators & Rave Reviews
0:23:12 - Michael Lombardi Coming Aboard
0:26:55 - Shooting During the Lockdown
0:28:15 - Editing in Movies & Randy Bricker
0:29:45 - True Inspiration & Criminal Attacks
0:37:48 - Prison System, Death Penalty & Moral Struggle
0:46:57 - Time Jumps in Films
0:49:50 - Showing Nudity & Throwback to Old Films
0:56:31 - Music in the Film
1:01:38 - Anxiety & Depression Association of America
1:04:40 - Outro

The Retaliators website:
https://www.retaliatorsmovie.com/

A.D.A.A. website:
https://adaa.org/

Chuck Shute website:
http://chuckshute.com/

Transcript

Chuck Shute: 0:00

All right, well, this was another really fun episode, great conversation with the gear brothers, Darren and Jeff, they are screenwriters for the new action horror movie, The retaliate errs, we had on the star Michael Lombardi. And now we go deeper on this film with the gear brothers, the screenwriters, and we're going to discuss how they got into screenwriting, some of the deeper issues of the film, the soundtrack, future sequels, and more. So coming right up, don't go anywhere All right, so how are you guys doing the gear brothers? Why don't you let you introduce yourselves for the people who can't see you?

Darren Geare: 0:43

Yes, I'm Darren gear.

Jeff Allen Geare: 0:46

And I am Jeff Allen gear.

Chuck Shute: 0:49

Okay. And together, you're the gear brothers and you made a movie and we're going to talk about that and some of the other stuff you cool stuff you guys have done? So I guess it kind of starts out for the movie business. I mean, obviously, you guys grew up with movies and stuff. But Darren, you started an acting.

Unknown: 1:05

Yes. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 1:08

I wanted to ask, I know people ask you about hocus pocus and bringing on again, but the one that the one that I wanted to ask about was bachelor trip because that's like an all star cast. Is it not like Christopher Walken? Ragnar Fairchild our and what's her name? Christina Lakin lake and the girls.

Darren Geare: 1:29

Like, oh, I know. It. It's it's funny. Yeah, I that the first of all, to have worked with Rutger Hauer like, I can't even explain what that meant to me even at that age. Because I mean, I always say to the two best villains of all time are Roy Batty from Blade Runner and John Ryder from the HITCHER. You know, it's it's, it's just he, you know, he that guy's such a legend, and he was the coolest guy. I got to hang out with him for four months on this island. Yeah, I won't comment about the film The quality of the film, but yeah, I was. I was in a movie with Yeah, it was a lot of great people there. Christopher Walken was was. It was another real treat. He was a complete character. And I got to spend a lot of time with him. He played my father in law in the movie. So pretty much all of his scenes were with me. And he was the crazy stories. You hear about him in interviews, I got to experience it. And it was 100% as quirky and and kind of funny as you would imagine it to be

Chuck Shute: 2:57

what like he's, is he telling the story, like about a watch, like in Pulp Fiction, kind of quirky or what?

Unknown: 3:02

Yeah, you know, it was like, because you have a great story. Yeah, it was there. So he, he was there. When he came to the island. It was obviously a really big deal. Everybody was was freaking out. I mean, because it's, he's, you know, he's such an icon. He's so singular. So like, just he kind of you couldn't not be starstruck around him. Because he's so Christopher Walken. I mean, there's no answers. Here. That's his voice. It's him.

Chuck Shute: 3:31

It almost would feel like it's like an impersonation because there's so many,

Unknown: 3:36

completely completely and, and so he was very to himself, very private, very quiet. And he ate alone, every day, and he would, he would constantly, you know, he's just off by himself, and he would work on his lines, and he would just eat lunch alone. And so one day, I just decided, Okay, I'm gonna, I'm just gonna go sit down next to him. And so, I it was kind of like, as dare, sort of, and so I sat down, and we just ate in silence. And I would sort of go, you know, you know, Hey, Chris, I, you know, how you doing? And he would just sort of, he'd acknowledge me, you know, shake his head. But he wouldn't say, you know, you just keep eating. And then literally one day out of the blue because I kept doing this and mount of time went by and I just,

Chuck Shute: 4:34

you sitting you're sitting right next to him across from him or diagonal,

Unknown: 4:37

but when I say sitting with him, I mean, right across from him. It was a matter of feet in between us. And it but he was just so quiet and to himself that, you know, if we were to and it was funny because we were doing scenes together. Yeah, if he still wouldn't, you know, like it'd be between shots and I would talk to him, I would say hi, or I'd say whatever. And he would just kind of nod his head. And but he was that way with the director too. He was that way with with everybody. And then completely out of the blue, because it's just seems like every Christopher Walken story has this similar kind of randomness to it. And it happened to me. I mean, it was, all this time, no conversations, nothing. And then out of the blue. He just goes, it's sorry for the terrible impression, but he was like, he goes, Darren, what would you do? What would you say? To a girl if you wanted to ask her out on a date? And out of the blue, just out what I say and minimize you. Every girl in any vicinity was drooling over him because he's just again, it's who he is. And I'm just sitting here going like, what What the fuck, dude. But what's funny is that's what he wanted to talk about girls. That was the opening. He wanted to talk. He wanted to talk about girls. And so what was funny was, that's how I got my in. And then I would dig into all the stuff I really wanted to get into. I'd be like, Okay, how many out? You know, how long did it take to shoot that scene and Pulp Fiction and what was deer hunter like and the the, you know, the big scene with the Russian roulette and so yeah, that's my my, my my Christopher Walken story. But yeah, that was that was a trip,

Chuck Shute: 6:38

then that's badass. So how long did it take to shoot that scene in Pulp Fiction?

Unknown: 6:42

I'm trying to remember, you know, it's, I wish I had you know, I remember all the silly stuff. I don't remember any of the good the gold he gave me. But you know, I don't remember. And, you know, I've seen so many interviews and read so much stuff that who knows, I'm probably mixing it all up with. Okay, with what I've read anyway.

Chuck Shute: 7:03

So you were were you trying to be a professional actor? And then how did why did that fizzle out? Are you still trying to be a professional actor?

Unknown: 7:10

No, no, you know, yeah, I movies were my passion. At a really, really young age, I was sort of an encyclopedia of film at a, at a really young age, at nine years old. I actually worked in a video store. I, I went to I went to school kind of far from where we lived. Jeff would have been really young at the time. And I, I, there was this little circle K kind of, you know, gas station, you know, little sort of corner, and there was this mom and pop video store. And I used to hang out in it every day. I used to, you know, ride my skateboard go in. And I would just look at endless, you know, VHS and study everything. And I would memorize everything. I was in there so much that the owner, he was this really sweet, sweet guys, and was Frank and he one day he just said, and he barely spoke English he spoke. I think it was I think he spoke Chinese. And he just said, Hey, you're basically he was like, you're in here every day. How about you alphabetize the tapes, and I'll pay you in movies. And so he so I used to come there after school, I would alphabetize I would organize and then I got to take any movies I want at home with me. So I was in love with film at a really young age, I got into acting. I did take it really seriously for a while I was pursuing it. And I was very passionate about it. And, and all of that. What sort of took me away from acting was my also deep love of music. So my brother Jeff and I, we we we started playing music, we always kind of played music, but then it started getting more and more serious. So weirdly as my acting where I was starting to work and starting to book stuff and things were starting to happen like right at that time, my passion and our passion for music just sort of took over and so we ended up doing that pretty seriously for a while and you know, we had a little record deal and we toured and did a little little tours and about as big as we ever got was you know, we were selling out the Troubadour and and playing some pretty decent venues and and doing that and then, you know, that ended up you know, we sort of as we always say We were sort of like the last the last group of people jumping on the Titanic that was like, right when a lot of we were every everybody we were working with in the music industry was like fired overnight because this was like, years. This is like oh five. Oh yeah, it

Jeff Allen Geare: 10:20

was like, there was still like a&r guys showing up to like, then you Yeah, to like Scout band. Yeah,

Unknown: 10:26

we had your band called whether you have a record label or anything. We weren't called Hong Kong six. So we got Yeah, you can find us on Spotify and iTunes and all of that i The singer, guitar player, Jeff was the guitar player he's saying,

Jeff Allen Geare: 10:42

eventually, we might break even on what

Chuck Shute: 10:46

what kind of music was it?

Unknown: 10:47

You know, it was kind of like taxis means the police kind of kind of had Yeah, I kind of had a Yeah, it was kind of a weird, you know, weird mix. Yeah, we got comparisons to like the cars and the Pixies and and yeah, it was sort of, I don't know, it's kind of a kind of a hard, hard one to describe. We were out in the era when a lot of the emo stuff was going on. But we weren't emo. And that wasn't our

Jeff Allen Geare: 11:17

we weren't seeing kids. Yeah. Oh, my friends. We're seeing kids. Yeah.

Unknown: 11:21

So so we did that. And then yeah, it was sort of like all of our every band that we knew, every friend we had with that was in a band, every a&r person we knew every manager, it was seemed like, within a matter of months, everyone was let go fired, you know, all the the labels sort of went under. And then yeah, then we Jeff went on to, you know, UCLA, I started a family had kids got married, and it was a long, all through these years, when Jeff and I were younger, we used to make short films we used to, we always made films, literally just to make our friends laugh and entertain each other. And we were just always hardcore, you know, exploitation fans and genre film fans. And, and, and over the years, we always said, we wanted to write and we wanted to, you know, we sort of fantasized about actually writing a screenplay. And like four years ago, four or five years ago, now, I guess, five years ago, literally, I just called Jeff one day and said, Hey, I know we've always talked about it, you want to just not tell anybody and just do it? And he was like, Yeah, let's do it. And that was it. That was I mean, he just, we literally didn't, either other than, you know, people very, very close to us, we pretty much didn't tell anybody. And we brought the retaliate errs, and that

Chuck Shute: 12:56

how did you learn how to write a script? Because I heard you say that you kind of put yourself through your own training? Did you actually watch a class or watch a video or read a book? I also heard you say something like you watched? Or read hundreds of scripts, which is insane to me. So is that part of your own training? Or what else? How did you there must be something because there's a very distinct format for writing scripts. Right?

Unknown: 13:17

Very, very distinct. The rules are very sharp and tight and specific. And yeah, yes, we was interesting part of what led to me to make the phone call to Jeff was I had read an article where it said, Here are the ingredients, you need to be a screenwriter. And the first thing it said was, you got to read many scripts, you have to actually sit and read scripts, that's what people don't want to do. And I went, Oh, well, check. Because I grew up growing up as an actor, I read hundreds of scripts. And the interesting thing is that as an actor, trying to get work, and all the pilot seasons, and all of it, 90 plus percent of all the scripts I read were very mediocre to bad. You know, it's very rare. You read a really good script. And the second thing was it said, You've got to know film inside out, and you've got to have you know, real love for film like, Okay, well, we're, we're completely insane when it comes to that. And then the third thing, I think, was something about knowing some fundamentals. And that was like the one thing Jeff and I didn't have and so we read many books. We took many, we watched an endless amount of lectures and interviews and really, really dove in because we knew we had a lot of things sort of piled up as far as our own education, but we knew it's like okay, well, let's put some formal understanding into it. And you know, Jeff, what, what were some of the stuff that resonated with you?

Jeff Allen Geare: 15:03

Yeah, well, yeah, especially when we first got into screenwriting. It was, I mean, it didn't seem like it was something magical that happens, you know, it's like, either have the magic or you donors or something like that. But I remember. So for many years, like, of course, I would have loved to have made a movie, but I didn't think I had that. Maybe I didn't have that kind of magic or whatever. But I remember when you brought it up to me, like, hey, let's write a script. The first thing you directed me towards was a book written by Thomas Lennon and Ben Garen, and it's a great little book, it's like how to make you know,

Unknown: 15:37

it's kind of a sarcastic title. It's like,

Jeff Allen Geare: 15:39

how to make money or how to profit. I don't know, when making movies and

Unknown: 15:43

how to profit off of baking, you know, it's it. Yeah, gosh, I feel terrible. I'm butcher butchering the time. It's like how such a great book how to have fun, how to have fun and make a profit writing movies or something. And so it's kind of a sarcastic title.

Jeff Allen Geare: 15:58

But they did really fun like, Well, yeah, well, what it opened my eyes to was like, Okay, this is like anything else, you know, I mean, even with music are, there are tried and true ways of, you know, there are well worn paths to follow or to like, Okay, this will guide me as I go along and doing this. So once we had that, it was like, oh, so we just, you know, we can come up with a story characters. And, you know, let's just try to fit it into these like molds that are out there of like, this is what a script should do. This is how a movie should go. And you know, you have the opening image and inciting incident and so on and so forth. So, but once we started learning that, then we were like, Okay, let's just try to tell a story. And then we can go back and see if we can improve it using those sorts of things. And yeah, that's that was kind of how was what was

Unknown: 16:49

cool about that book, too. It's the time again, Thomas Lennon and Ben Garrett. And it was recommended to us from a screenwriter buddy of ours we're really close with his name's Jerry are two KOVITCH. And he, he passed along the book and and what was so cool about it is a lot of books on writing, are written by, you know, sort of professors and teachers, not that there's anything wrong with that. But what was interesting about Thomas Lenin and Ben Garrett is that I forget what their stat was. It's pretty crazy. They the movies they've written have literally made like over a billion dollars in Hollywood in the studio system. They wrote on huge movies. You know, the Night at the Museum franchise, Thomas Lennon was the funny lead in Reno. 911.

Chuck Shute: 17:44

Say, Yeah, I love that guy.

Unknown: 17:47

Yeah, they're both hilarious. They're both and so the book is actually written with their humor. Yeah. And it's so underrated. I never hear about it. I never see it. Because people

Jeff Allen Geare: 17:59

talking about the big the big dogs. Yeah, no, they're still in Goldman. Yeah, I love those. Yeah, completely. Yeah. And we

Unknown: 18:05

read Mickey and we read all this sort of classic books, just to see because we knew we sort of had a lot of the informal training. And so we just sort of fed our brains with all the formal stuff too.

Chuck Shute: 18:17

Wow. That's cool. So when you're coming up, before retaliate errs? Was there other ideas that you had throughout the years? I mean, because that was inspired by a true story. That didn't happen until later. I mean, if you've been a fan of movies, since you're age nine, was there other ones that you had in the coward you saw off Sunday? Maybe?

Jeff Allen Geare: 18:37

Sure. Oh, yeah. Well, but you know, they were all you know, aborted attempts, you know what I mean? We it was like getting it going and then you lose steam after like 20 pages or whatever. Or you could give like the first 30 pages to a friend who you really trusted that maybe was in the film industry, and they would tear it apart and then you go well, I guess I just suck it in and, and even when we started this process, where we were taking it very seriously, I was like looking at it like a craft as opposed to I just love movies. Let me write and we started looking really as a craft, you know, why build something that people could that are in the craft to can appreciate, you know, on that level, we have some ideas that we ditched before the retaliate errs that didn't. A lot of it. We get so far, we end up in certain puzzles, and we and then we get on to another idea and then retaliate errs was just one that it kind of started, like the other ideas where we thought, Oh, this is a great idea, then we start fleshing it out. But as we started fleshing out, it's like, it just wouldn't stop. It was like, oh, no, that leads to this great idea that leads to that great idea. And then, before we knew it, it was like we I mean, we had a whole like universe of things that could be happening. It just became more of an issue of like, what's the exact story we want to tell now in the sort of universe we've we've built up With all these characters, so, yeah, that's really where I felt like, okay,

Chuck Shute: 20:06

so you write this script and I love the script, because it is like you say, you want to take a lot of like left turns and kind of keep people on their heels. And, and that's what the script does. So then you upload it to this thing. I never heard of this site, but it's called the blacklist, I guess. And it's where people can send in scripts and get rated and this thing gets really good reviews on that website.

Unknown: 20:25

Yeah, the blacklist has been around since I think 2003. It basically is a place where anyone can submit a script. And it's many films have been done. It was it was originally, this collection of scripts that producers considered the best unproduced scripts around and and from that came a lot of big films. So a lot of Oscar winners like Argo, and Slumdog Millionaire. And I mean, honestly, the the examples of what's come out of the blacklist go on and on and on. And so it, it became, this is a big deal for writers, because it was sort of a way for anybody to be from the outside and submit. Now the way and also blind coverage, it's blind coverage.

Jeff Allen Geare: 21:25

So it's really like peer reviewed in a sense, you know, like, so they, they're not, if you're an unknown writer, you can get legitimate coverage on your work,

Chuck Shute: 21:36

people to even read it to be good, because it's got to get somebody's got to actually read the script. So these people out there that do that.

Jeff Allen Geare: 21:43

Yeah, so there's anything

Unknown: 21:45

that will. So that's how the blacklist works, you have to pay money. And their worry is really difficult to get a high rating. So what it's so the our, again, our friend Jerry, he had it because we when we finished it, we said okay, what do we what do we do with this thing? And he was like, Well, you could send it to the blacklist, and he was like, you know, you're gonna get torn apart on there. But hey, you'll learn a lot about what you did wrong and what you can improve on. And we said, okay, cool. We turned it then. And the last thing we expected was for us to get these high ratings and get on their top that you it's called getting on their top list when you hit above a certain rating. And what it means is now producers, and people can discover your script. And so that's exactly. That's exactly what happened. We put the script up. We got this incredible coverage, incredible ratings. We were that what that's kind of where the beginning of the shocks all started with this. And have gone on from there. But yeah, that we nobody was more surprised than us. We were expecting. This is garbage. And this is what's wrong. And next thing, you know, we had offers coming in, we had we were getting emails with, we'd like to option, this script. And we'd like to meet you guys. And we're sitting there going, what the heck, you know, so that's yeah, that's where it started. Yeah. And

Chuck Shute: 23:13

then you send it to your friend, Michael Lombardi, who you knew from music. He said he was born to play this role. What was it about that role that spoke to him so much about the character?

Unknown: 23:25

You know, he, it was a to say, he was passionate from the beginning would just be such an understatement. Yes, we, at the exact same time that we started getting all these all this interest. We sent the script to him because he called me completely out of the blue and I sent him the script. And literally, within three days, he was on a plane flew from the East Coast over to us in Southern California, and he just just said I was born to play this role he connected he got all of the references and all of the nuances and there were lots and lots of little links to a lot of our homage is to a lot of things and a lot of films and sort of sub genres and he just got it and he just really understood you know, the character we created John Bishop is a really kind of like a throwback character in that he's not cynical at all. He's a he's an earnest, almost like a like a Jimmy Stewart Frank Capra, a good guy to Frank Capra movie, you know, he's he's a legitimate we didn't want any sort of, you know, any sort of,

Jeff Allen Geare: 24:50

like hidden nefarious background, you know, that he's hiding beneath his, you know, yeah, cloth, you know,

Unknown: 24:57

closet. It was like, like, like Tom Hanks early Tom Hanks or, you know Frank Capra like that sort of thing. And he just got it. And then the other weird part about the character was that we were it was written in the script that, that when he was at his, at his, in the first church seen, it said, he's a rock is he's a pastor, it says he's a rock star in this little corner of the universe, the whole community kind of gathers around him and loves him. And he's sort of, and he, he got that he connected with that, when you watch his his performance in the film, I mean, he just embodied it. So just so perfectly. And and, I mean, we were there on the SAT watching it, and it was unbelievable to watch. Yeah, so explain

Chuck Shute: 25:51

how because he had to help direct it. Because it was filmed during the lockdown, whatever, so and there's like three directors. So explain how you shot that with three directors, I must have been tough.

Unknown: 26:02

Yeah, though, it was. To say tough is again, another crazy understatement, because it was just when we say early days of lockdown, I mean, it was we were in the forest. When March of 2020, hit mark, you know, when the lockdown literally happen. So, it everything in the world was chaos. Well, obviously being right in the middle of shooting a film, our film went into chaos for a very long time. And, and it meant, you know, cast coming and then dropping out at the last second. And directors not being able to shoot anymore, and us having to change coasts and travel restrictions and just sort of endless, you know, we would, we would, we would get every you know, build out for four months to get to a shoot, and have everything prepared. And at the last second, we get a phone call, and it'd be like, Okay, we need you to look at that scene. But now this person can't make it because of XYZ this person can. So I need you to now connect, and we would get these writing puzzles that you couldn't imagine. But thankfully, truly thankfully, because of Michael being the the guy that was always there and carrying the torch through all of the craze he has, he was able to we were able to constantly bounce ideas off of them, and we collaborate with him just incredibly well. And then we also had a brilliant editor in random writer. He really helped us connect a lot of a lot of what what you see so, you know, it was it's hard to explain it was just an endless amount of trials and tribulations and you know, that's making any movie so it was a it was we were chock full of adventures.

Chuck Shute: 28:09

Now that's interesting. You bring up the editing, I was just watching this thing, because they just came out with I don't know if you're a fan of planes, trains and automobiles, but it's one of my favorite movies. And like, I guess there's like an hour of, of deleted scenes. I haven't seen it. I mean, I've seen some of the bits on YouTube people discussing it, but I just find that so fascinating that they edited out an hour of extra footage. And I think they did the right thing though, because the plot of the film is in the pacing and all that is so perfect. But that's got to be so hard to cut out scenes that are they say like these scenes are really funny, but it doesn't move the story along. So that's a really underrated job. I think who's your editor again, Randy, who

Unknown: 28:49

is named Randy Bricker, and it talks about a legend. I mean, he literally has been in these are all the franchises he's edited films in Halloween franchise, wow. Hellraiser, to Child's plays. Texas, Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And he actually is the editor on the Chucky series right now, too. So this guy's just got incredible, incredible talent. And yeah, editing is just everything and especially when you've got a movie. Our movie has some. There's some complexities going on. There's some like you were saying there's some turns that need to happen. There's multiple, you know, genres that are sort of blended and so yeah, the editing is was absolutely crucial.

Chuck Shute: 29:41

Yeah, so I mean, I had Michael on and he was telling the story of your sister the which is not it's not a True Story movie, but it's inspired by the true story of what happened your sister and explained that whole thing and, you know, she was attacked and raped a horrible thing and they catch the guy 10 years later, I was just curious like it Did the police give any advice was something like that? Like, how can people prevent an attack like that? Was there anything that she could have done? Or is there anything that she does now? Like, does she carry pepper spray or a gun? Or like what kinds of I mean, that's just such a horrible thing? Like, how can we prevent that from ever happening?

Unknown: 30:16

Right? You know, that's it's such a good question. John, can you know, it makes me it makes me realize I, I actually would like to know the answer to that. You know, I don't know. I don't know what from from a sort of police standpoint, what the advice would be, you know, what had happened was, yeah, she was walking home alone, pretty close to her house, and was tackled into a ravine. You know? I don't know, you know, it's certainly I don't think pet things like pepper spray can hurt. I don't think. I think trying to not be alone in the middle of the night, obviously, has got to be. Would it have been different if she was with a friend, you know? And what's hard, is that in this situation, she wasn't walking miles away from her house. So it's very reasonable to think, Oh, this is my neighborhood, and I'm just up the street, but it just, it just shows you you know, so you know, I don't know, that's a really good question. I don't have a actual like, you know, technical answer. But

Chuck Shute: 31:27

yeah, I'm sure there's tips and things that people can do. I'm just curious if they told you anything, because so like in the scene in the movie, there's a scene where the detective tells the dad about what happens to his daughter? Is that something that you guys had to live like? Did a detective have to tell you about your sister or do a family member call? Or how did you guys find out about it?

Unknown: 31:47

No, no, we found out through the eye. My sister tells the story of her of our dad having to go to the hospital because see she was she went out into the road. She flagged down a car. They called an ambulance. She was taken to the hospital again, remember, this is the middle of the night. And this was I don't think she had a cell phone. I don't think she had a cell phone on her.

Chuck Shute: 32:19

And she was left for dead right because the guy strangled her and he thought he probably thought he killed her.

Unknown: 32:24

Oh no, no it was it was the the the she he was convicted of attempted it was attempted murder because it was without question. It was a belt around her neck and yeah, she she had to be very clever to get out of the situation alive. It's typically not a not a thing. Most people survive that kind of attacks that kind of Stranger attack. So yeah, so that scene happened with in real life. My dad actually showed up at the hospital. And you know, I've and it's interesting bringing up my dad because it was through having conversations with him. That is was the original impetus for the retaliate errs. Plot, you know, the idea of what if there was a service for family members that have family members of crime victims What if they were offered the opportunity for a minute alone? It was in having conversations with not because my dad was talking about wanting that it was just hearing his pain and hearing his you know, I'd always been on my side of it being a brother and then it's like to imagine being a father, it was talking to my dad that really got me going, Oh, God, you know, that's a whole other level and then that sort of just came out organically.

Jeff Allen Geare: 33:58

Yeah, there's there just seems something very, you know, I kind of connect the like, even every time I hear the story of what happened, the part that makes me you know, really sympathize somewhat, you know, with with the Jed character is it's the belt. You know, there's something deeply sadistic about somebody wanting to inflict harm on innocent people that way and wanting to kill them. And I felt the same way about the zip ties. It's like once you see the zip ties and the retaliate errs, it's like, there's just something that's extra cruel, and sadistic and sort of about that. And yeah, it was really hard.

Unknown: 34:37

Yeah, like you said, it's not the movies. Certainly, it gets pretty fantastical by the third act. So it's certainly not not a true story, but it'll be inspirations, the inspiration, you'll see the Easter eggs when you know, the story enough when God saw the movie for the first time. She was she was just 10 pulled it all the different cheek on it, she saw left and right, all the different some things are very on the nose. There's a character named Jodi in the movie, but But there's other things that are sort of symbolic and, and yeah, yeah, what

Chuck Shute: 35:14

was the line? There was a shot something about the politician. He had no balls because he let one of the guys get out of jail early. Like do you think that is such as an issue right now with, uh, with some people being too soft on crime?

Unknown: 35:29

No, no, no, no, I mean that that character was sort of a, you know, you know, that character, sort of, here's what we, what we went into this to the script with. And we, I think we stayed really true to it throughout the entire making of the film, which I'm one of the things I know both of us are really proud of, you know, we did not want to in any way, telegraph. Any sort of message or any sort of,

Jeff Allen Geare: 36:07

we didn't want to moralize. No,

Unknown: 36:09

we didn't want to moralize or ideal.

Jeff Allen Geare: 36:12

Here's our political man. Yeah, here's the here's a film that's going to carry.

Unknown: 36:16

We're just our aesthetic when it comes to film and cinema, like we love, you know, it's, you know, it's like jaw jaws. And, and, and it's, it's, we're really big into cinema for the sake of entertainment, there's a place for cinema that that is there to sort of, you know, maybe make you think about life in a different way or, or to sort of, you know, pose very kind of grand questions. We're just sort of fans of, of having things be understated, and sort of, in a way, fair, in a way sort of just open and not not judge it. We knew

Jeff Allen Geare: 37:03

within characters be the character. Yeah, instead of using them as a like a microphone for our own. Yeah, voice. Yeah, you know, and I understand like, that's something that happens in the film, right, the guy gets released from prison. But that being said, I didn't really see it as I mean, certainly things like that. I mean, not as exaggerated, but certainly things like that happening. Or it can happen, you know, the justice system doesn't seem to work, you know, where maybe someone who's committed a violent crime gets away with a violent crime, you know, well,

Chuck Shute: 37:42

yeah, I thought, because I felt like that third act was a whole commentary on the prison system, how the people are turned into mindless beasts. And like, it was just like, it kind of made you think, like, is it more humane? To maybe just have these people, you know, have the death penalty? Or is it? Is it better to have them in prison? And if there are in prison? I mean, is that kind of like, I mean, that's yeah, in this movie, I would rather just be dead than be.

Jeff Allen Geare: 38:10

In a way, I like your reading, because it's almost saying like, hey, criminals, that one should just rather die than go to prison. Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 38:19

that prison I mean, especially to be pro

Jeff Allen Geare: 38:22

or something. But no, I don't think we were, we weren't going into it like, Hey, I'm pro death. I've actually I don't think I've ever really, we've never gotten into like a discussion over. Like, the morality of the

Chuck Shute: 38:33

that was a whole thing in the movie was like, it was like this struggle with a guy like, you know, when you're pushed to do the right, because he's trying to be a good person. He's always trying to do the right thing. And then he's pushed, it's like, eventually, sometimes you can always be a nice guy, sometimes you got to fight back. And that's what I gather from the movie, the message, not that I know, it's a light film, it's fun. And it's eyeballs being popped out. It's I mean, there's, you know, it's funny, it's like, shouldn't be taken too seriously. But at the same time, it's like, it does kind of bring up that issue, I think, but But

Unknown: 39:05

what I what I love, I love that you're, you have things that you're taking from it and things that are speaking to you. And I think that that's really cool, because, you know, the we we made the decision to we wanted these Yeah, things like, you know, death penalty and justice and morality. We knew we were playing with these things. We want it to just truly show these two characters, two characters that were sort of mirrors of each other, that both come from a good place, but they made very different decisions went different ways. And we really just, you know, trauma warps people. Yeah. And we wanted it to be something that you kind of wrestled your mind around with and something that you could discuss after Words and get into conversations like this, because these are tricky conversations, you know, looking at issues like the death penalty, when I'm hearing you going through those reasons prison can turn people into race issues like prisons, and then criminal reform and, and, and death penalty. These are difficult issues, these aren't easy fixes, you know, there's a lot of nuance there. And when you start entering emotion into it, and trauma into it, and when it hits close to home, and then yeah, you know, those are all you know, so I yeah, I love that you're taking things from it. But yeah, that our intention was never to have a actual message be transmitted out, you know, that's really

Chuck Shute: 40:48

gets the world today, it's just we see everything through a lens, like, we're, you know, how things are going with, like with crime and stuff with prison. I mean, I just, I find that topic. So fast. And I've had people on here that have worked with, you know, that they've promoted charities that try to help prisoners. And it's just an interesting topic where you see crime rising up in some of these cities, even here in Phoenix, like we've seen it in the homeless thing is a big issue too. So it's just like, when I see that in the movies, I'm like, Oh, this is interesting. Like, they're kind of playing with these any, I don't know that you necessarily take a stance either way, but it's definitely something that makes you think,

Jeff Allen Geare: 41:24

yeah, yeah, because we don't even I mean, we really don't even get into like, you know, the cause of criminality, and all that kind of stuff. Like it's never really about, you know, again, I just don't think we were trying to make a definitive statement off of kind of putting the issues on the table and show you some characters who made interesting choices. The other thing, how it kind of goes for them. The other thing to one guy learned something about himself, you know, not to always be a passive as the other guy learns that, you know, maybe he never learns in you know, it's debatable whether Jed really learns his

Unknown: 41:58

lesson where you were where this debate always this, these kinds of topics always get very tricky is once you start digging into things like, you know, drug, you know, drug related offenses, or, you know, non violent crime, or maybe crimes of passion and things like that.

Jeff Allen Geare: 42:22

What probably like the majority of crime, what do you think about it?

Unknown: 42:25

What we what we carry desperation? Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 42:28

Well, I think also forgiveness too, is like, I just had the guy. Are you familiar with static X? And you? Oh, yeah. Okay. So you know, the guitar player, you know, his story, like, how like he, okay, yeah. So, Google this one. But yeah, he was, he was in a lot of trouble, because he, he had sex with like a 16 year old girl or something. He was arrested, he went to jail. He's been out, he's been out of prison. He's been clean and not committed any crimes for like, 15 years or something like that. I had him on my show. And of course, I got backlash for that. But uh, you know, and I kind of was like, I was on the fence about doing it. But you know, my good friend, put in a word said, Look, he's he's changed. He's different man. So it's like, at what point do you let people that's what it kind of makes me think about, do you believe people can be rehabilitated? Or do we just give everybody the death penalty? Like, I don't know. It's kind of an interesting debate.

Unknown: 43:20

Well, what I was what I was gonna say was, what we purposefully did in the retaliate errs was we made the bad guys. So extreme Cartoon, Cartoon apps. I mean, when you listen to the list of crimes that, you know, the Jacoby's character perpetrated in the film, I mean, it's it truly is sort of outrageous and and and it's very unlikely anybody like him would ever get released? No matter what kind of a rehabilitation program, so the there, there is a Jeff and I have gotten into conversations about their sort of a, like Jeff said, the majority of kind of criminals and kinds of crimes, and then there are that very, very small percentage of very extreme cases where I think universally, most people, most people would have agreement that yeah, that person is a monster. You know, Ted Bundy was a monster. But Jeffrey Dahmer was a monster Ed Kemper was a monster. People who, you know, there are heinous crimes, you know, and what was interesting was, yeah, like with our sisters, a tag, thank God she lived. Yeah, obviously. But the kind of attack that she went through was one of those very, very extreme fringe kind of crimes. Because you just Now total stranger that when you think it's so hard to wrap your brain around, this is a stranger, doing a tackling a teenage girl and raping her and trying to kill her down on the side of the road. I mean, it's unbelievable. It

Jeff Allen Geare: 45:17

is wild, too, is like you think, you know, somebody like that. Now, granted, he's being the age he's out, he's being put away at an age that, you know, you know, it's very probable that he won't make it to the end of it, you know, for for a chance of parole. But you look at a crime like that. And, you know, whatever you're sort of, like philosophical and kinetic inclinations are about whatever you think is like the true justice of the situation, especially the closer you are to the situation, you can't help but feel like, this guy should never see the light of day ever again. You know what I mean? And I think the movie, where where the movie captivated me early on was was that thing of like, there is a lot, there's a weird zone in which you can think like, you can totally reason yourself into thinking, okay, that's the right thing to do. But I can't help but feel like, I want to do I want to do something else, right? It's like, I can't shake the feeling like I want to, you know, make sure that person feels pain, even though I think the justice system is, you know, there for a good reason. You know what I mean? So it's, you know, it's almost feeling like you're the exception. You know what I mean? Because, gosh, you know, it's easy for everybody to say, like, This person should just go to jail, do their time and be released, you know what I mean? Because it didn't happen to them. Right. And that's what we were kind of tapping. And that's

Unknown: 46:37

what we wanted to tap into that feeling. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah. The

Chuck Shute: 46:41

victims of crime and families of victims are going to be able to relate to that, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So sorry to get too deep and philosophical.

Unknown: 46:51

It's really fun to get into it. Yeah. So

Chuck Shute: 46:56

let me lighten it up a little bit, though. So it's interesting, because the third act is actually teased at the beginning of the movie. And I don't have a problem with that. I think that's I love that I love a little teaser at the beginning. We're like, why what's going on in it like, but here's the here's something that I've noticed with a lot of movies and TV shows. Tell me if you guys think this is an issue. Everybody wants to do like a Pulp Fiction where all the scenes are completely out of order. Sometimes there's like multiple timelines going. And it's just getting so confusing. Why is every movie and TV show doing that? Have you noticed how to

Jeff Allen Geare: 47:28

QUESTION Yeah, no, totally. I look, we it's funny, you bring up Pulp Fiction, because I think Quentin Tarantino is certainly a hero to us as any filmmakers, but not

Chuck Shute: 47:38

everybody's Pulp Fiction or not.

Unknown: 47:40

Everybody's not every script is kind of story.

Chuck Shute: 47:43

These stories are just, they just need to be linear. They don't need to be jumping, or it doesn't make any sense.

Jeff Allen Geare: 47:48

It's all about See, for us the end, there is a little bit of rule breaking in the Retaliator. So maybe that's an understatement in terms of like flashbacks. And we do have a little bit of a disordering thing. But we looked at I always have taken you know, putting Tarantino's advice to heart in anything we write, which is, when you're writing a story, even if you're doing I know, he doesn't do outlines, but even if you're doing outlines and all that, you know, you're you have a story, let it unfold organically. You know, I think the way that we wrote it, it felt organic. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 48:22

I'm glad they didn't go back, you didn't go back and forth. I just, that's my pet peeve with TV shows. Now. We weren't

Jeff Allen Geare: 48:29

trying to be clever for the sake of being clever. We had a story we want to know. And we wanted it, obviously. And we were putting all of our effort into letting it unfold in an interesting way. You know, and so I think one

Unknown: 48:42

of the things we're adding light, yeah. And where I hear you, Chuck is is and I feel like this is being done to death these days is every movie or show starting at this later action point. And then then coming back and then actually starting the story, and then you don't know, you know how long it's gonna take till you get there.

Chuck Shute: 49:08

They jumped from so many different I think it was, maybe I love the Jeffrey Dahmer show, but I feel like that might have been one of them where they jumped around. So there's so many shows where they jump around so much you're confused. And I'm like

Jeff Allen Geare: 49:22

even though I really loved it was the one about that serial killer in Europe was like the snake one.

Unknown: 49:28

serpent was

Chuck Shute: 49:30

that's another one. Yeah,

Jeff Allen Geare: 49:31

I was confused for like the first three episodes like, where am I on the timeline? i This is captivating. I've got Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 49:42

I just don't see the point of it. So I'm glad you guys didn't do I like the teaser is cool. I like that. That's like one teaser is good. But yeah, people overuse that. So one thing that that was cool about the movie too, is that it makes it a throwback. It was the soundtrack being a big part of it. And then you've got the rock stars in the rolls and stuff. But you know another thing that I thought it was kind of interesting that was symbolizes that it was a bit of a throwback and it comes in 80s movies that you actually show nudity. That is not something that's done a lot in movies. Is that a decision that was written into the script? Or is that a director thing? It

Unknown: 50:12

was 100%. Right? Yeah.

Jeff Allen Geare: 50:16

We love our nudity. Yeah. Let's go.

Unknown: 50:21

That was like a fun part of like, throwback. You know, we're big fans of the, you know, the Canon, you know, Canon films, exploitation. You know, the 80s what we love the 70s stuff, too, but, you know, we Yeah, you know, there's definitely and it's interesting, like

Jeff Allen Geare: 50:43

TV goes into nudity TV

Unknown: 50:45

does, but you know, film Seven. Yeah, and I just feel like movies have just become so sanitized. Yeah. You know, we really, from the beginning knew we wanted to make something dirty, grimy, have it go places have it maybe a

Jeff Allen Geare: 51:05

little questionable. Yeah.

Unknown: 51:08

And the movies actually dialed back from how the script got, you know, but as Jeff said, we rolled out kind of a larger universe. So we definitely if we end up doing sequels or anything, we'll we'll have plenty to get to but ya know, we, you know, the strip clubs were written in like, we wanted it to be that sort of throwback feeling. It just creates an instant vibe when you just get that Whoa, there's, there's nudity or there, it's the language or it's the, you know, the sort of the content. Gore. Yeah, yeah.

Chuck Shute: 51:43

Especially because it's not, it's not shown in a like a realistic like, oh my god, it's like a cartoonish kind of, yeah, I like it.

Jeff Allen Geare: 51:52

Yeah. Cuz if you think about the nudity, too, wasn't like, trying to be super naturalistic about it. And you know, like, it's, it's fun. It's fun nudity. Yeah, that's what I did. I think that's what you were picking up on the I think that's what you mean, when you said you picked up on the throwback element through the duty? Yeah, absolutely.

Chuck Shute: 52:14

So much of the unity. Yeah, that's the main emphasis. Yeah, I'm trying to find these deeper philosophical issues than it but but on the surface, it's just a fun movie. And I think I

Unknown: 52:24

appreciate you picking up on that. I mean, as a as a child of the 80s and 90s. I just, I feel like we look back all the time and just go boy, we were so spoiled. We just the the movies, we had the bands, the music, it was just there definitely feel like there. And we do you know, we've been doing a lot of interviews and and I feel like there's a lot of people feeling the same way we've gotten, you know, when we put the when the movie was getting close to getting put out before it went into film festivals. I mean, we literally looked at each other and just went, boys, anybody going to get this? Are they going to just run away and go this is, you know, offensive or not, you know, you know, this has been

Jeff Allen Geare: 53:11

we'd have had our detractors. No question. It feels like water off.

Unknown: 53:18

Yeah, we all produces. Yeah, we, we, we would have never expected 88% on Rotten Tomatoes, we would have never expected 30 Plus film festivals and winning awards. I think people you know, we're fine. Not everybody, you know, and it's fine. That's the great thing about art and in film and music. It's not everything is supposed to be for everybody. You know, it's, it's called, you know, to channel

Jeff Allen Geare: 53:48

some people in a movie. It's like you're What are you you're doing something wrong.

Chuck Shute: 53:51

But I think that's a very underrepresented category of film right now is guy movies, like for movies for guys like me, like, you know, mid 40s. Like, grew up as a child of the 80s and 90s. Like wants like a fun guy movie. There's just not that many that I can think of. So this was one I'm like, This is what I like, you know, this is a kind of like fun horror action. little twists and turns. It's I think people enjoy I think, I think

Jeff Allen Geare: 54:18

yeah, no, I think it's a really fun to steal because I don't see myself as anything near like a macho man or like a very masculine kind of guy. But I love but the masculine aesthetic and film is very fun. It's fun watching Clint Eastwood movies. I loved her. I'm not anything near dirty. Nor. Yeah. See, it's a it's a character type. You know what I mean? And yeah, you know, we don't see a lot of that these days. But ya know, certainly an aesthetic. We've I mean, we were both huge like Bronson fan,

Unknown: 54:53

big Bronson and Chuck Norris and Ernest grant, you know, I mean, the movie. That's the other funny homage in the movie. It's not there subtly. There's references to Die Hard references to Terminator and Rambo. Yeah, it's very much a love letter, the arc that the character goes through. We wanted it to feel at the beginning of the movie like this would be the least likely person that could turn into an action hero that's actually kicking actual ass in the movie. But you know, Michael, again, credit to him, pulling it off. I mean, the fight scenes at the end and all the stunts and everything that was all him and, and, and it I feel like it worked really well. But yeah, we agree. I mean, I there's just I think, you know, we're happy to fill that void because I think it is it is missing right now. I think it is, you know, just sort of just having films there for the sake of entertaining.

Jeff Allen Geare: 55:53

Yeah. Not all films are propaganda, you know, and I think that's in people who enjoy films, they understand this, like, you can watch these characters. It's not a training manual, on how to go out in the world and behave Right, exactly.

Unknown: 56:11

Or on Commando. Everything's gonna be okay.

Jeff Allen Geare: 56:17

Here's how we need you to behave in the world. Okay, we need to torture people and punch, you know, punch people out, you know,

Chuck Shute: 56:24

right. No, I love it. So then how did you guys pick? That's what my only thing that was kind of not throwback is the soundtrack is actually more modern. So how did you guys pick the music?

Unknown: 56:35

Well, we didn't Yeah, we didn't. We didn't pick them. Not us. Yeah. Not us personally. That was, you know, very much the brainchild of Alan Kovacs, who is the who owns better noise? Oh,

Chuck Shute: 56:50

right. Okay. produce it. Right.

Unknown: 56:53

Correct. So Michael brought when Michael Michael Lombardi basically came to Jeff and I and said, I'll get your film made. And one, you know, one of the people he went to was Alan Kovacs. That was the person he went to really, and it was, you know, he showed him the script. And Alan had just had success putting out the dirt that he which he CO produced. For Netflix, obviously, which was a huge hit on on Netflix. And so he was, he had kind of gotten, you know, gotten in, in you know, gotten the bug doing that. And then when he read the retaliate errs, his vision was Well, at first it was let's go for a big soundtrack. Let's Yeah, let's do that again. Because, like you said, it's such a great throwback, that just again, another thing we miss dearly and loved growing up with all those cool, you know, Lost Boys, and Last Action Hero, and you know, all that all that stuff. And then it turned into well, then, what if they had small roles in the film? And so a lot of lot of TLC went into that, you know, we spent a lot of time looking at the roles, what would make sense and, and Michael put a lot of attention into curating that and we had definitely input. And so as far as the roles, and as far as the songs, we had input, but it was definitely, you know, the idea was, you know, to really, you know, take a modern kind of approach, which I think is cool, because I think if it would have all been, you know, I'm, you're talking to like the biggest, you know, I've been a metalhead my whole life and I love all kinds of metal but certainly, the classic hard rock and, and, you know, 80s metal and stuff like that is very near and dear. So I certainly would have loved going in that kind of direction, but then it would have really made the movie a full throwback. And the movie is not set in the 80s You know, it's set in modern times. And so, you know, I think the modern, the modern songs, it makes it cool. And look, you know, Nikki six wrote our theme song which

Chuck Shute: 59:20

great themes Thanks, man.

Jeff Allen Geare: 59:22

Thank you really proud of you. We're proud that he wrote it and that he made it let me tell you

Chuck Shute: 59:27

it was a James Michael singing on next I had him on my show. It was

Unknown: 59:31

no it's uh, James Michael wrote it like Nikki for and the singers on it are Spencer charnas from ice Nine kills. It's multiple bands. Guy from from ashes. Yeah. So anyway, Asking Alexandria and then of course, of course Motley Crue and the i as i said if the if you could have told the however old I was 12 year old me when I had at 12 or 13, I had Nikki six that was like my guy that when I was into the crew and I just had Nikki six all over my walls, I was Nikki six for Halloween. I used to shoot videos where I did the I did the paint, and I, you know, acted like I was playing the bass. So if you would have told 12 year old me that I would write a script one day, and he would write the theme song. I mean, I just it was beyond a dream come true. When that happened.

Chuck Shute: 1:00:29

That's awesome. And then so there is going to be a sequel or you already kind of halfway through that, or

Unknown: 1:00:35

we have one outline. So we're Yeah, we're hoping that we do. We'll see. We'll see how it goes.

Chuck Shute: 1:00:41

But is there a threshold of money you have to make or something or what? You know,

Unknown: 1:00:45

I don't know what the exact threshold would be. But I mean, we're doing really well on VOD. So, you know, I think if we just continue to do well, and then when we go to streaming when blu ray comes out, you know, because we've got all those things coming up. That I think we'll be heading there. Yeah. Well, we'll

Chuck Shute: 1:01:04

be streaming it will be like people can find on Netflix or Hulu or one of those coming up.

Unknown: 1:01:08

Yeah, we're on VOD, everywhere right now. Everywhere you buy and rent movies. Within the next couple of months. We're going to be going to blu ray and yeah, we will be coming to streaming. I'm not sure where yet. But they're working all that stuff out now. And then we'll be going international as well. So we'll be going all over.

Chuck Shute: 1:01:29

Cool. All right. Well, I look forward to hopefully there's gonna be a sequel. You guys come back on the show. Yeah. And then I always end each episode promoting a charity. Is there a charity that's near and dear to your heart that you want to give a shout out to?

Unknown: 1:01:42

Yes, yes, we definitely would love to. There's the it's called the ADA. It's anxiety and depression Association of America. What's great about them is in sort of tribute to Jody, big because the attack was one thing, but it was it was as horrendous as that was. The PTSD that followed was was something that went on for a very long time, it was a huge trial for her to say the least. So ATA is a great resource for people dealing with post traumatic stress disorder of any kind. There's, you know, lots of lots of resources. And there's, you know, phone numbers and crisis lines, a lot of information there. The other reason we chose that is because the one of the primary things they deal with as well, is anxiety disorder. Myself and Jeff, and you're crushing it depression, of course. But yeah, I'm a card carrying anxiety disorder. person that I have been for most of my life, I've been managing it. Well, I know Jeff's lived with him for a long time, too. So what I really appreciate about appreciate about ADA is when I had first had anxiety disorder, this was in the I was young. And this was in the 90s. There were there were no resources or very, very little panic disorder was only coined as a term, I believe in the medical field, like around 1992. And so when I had it, it was at a time where the internet was very, very, you know, barely around and the terms were barely around these days. You see commercials everywhere. Yeah, the terms are used a lot, but I would have given anything to have the resources that are there for people. So make sure you know, again, there's phone numbers, there's things you can download. There's direct links to get to therapists and so as ya know about anxiety disorder, a definitely a lot of lot of love for any any help in that area.

Chuck Shute: 1:04:14

Absolutely. Well, I'll put that link in the show notes along with the retaliate errs website. And people should check out the movie now or if they want to wait for streaming I guess they could wait is it should be coming?

Unknown: 1:04:25

Not they should not wait. They need to go.

Chuck Shute: 1:04:29

Right now right now. All right. All right. Well, thanks so much, guys. It's been a blast. I'll get this episode up soon.

Unknown: 1:04:36

Thank you. Thanks, man. Thank you.

Chuck Shute: 1:04:39

Thank you have a good one. Bye. My thanks again to the gear brothers. Check out the film The retaliate errs. I've watched it twice now. I think it actually gets better with repeated viewing. Very entertaining, fun movie if you like the old school 80s Horror action movies. I think you'll dig it. And please help get the word out by posting about the film on social media. You're sharing this interview then you can help both of us out. I appreciate all your support, have a great day and shoot for the moon.