Doug "Cosmo" Clifford (Creedence Clearwater Revival)

Doug “Cosmo” Clifford is a musician and songwriter who is most well known for being the drummer and founding member of Creedence Clearwater Revival.  The band was extremely successful and inducted in to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1993.  They have a new documentary on Netflix narrated by Jeff Bridges titled “Travelin’ Band: Creedence Clearwater Revival at the Royal Albert Hall.”  Cosmo also has a solo album he just released titled “California Gold’ that features Bobby Whitlock (Derek & The Dominoes) and Donald “Duck” Dunn (Booker T. & the M.G.’s).  We discuss it all in this episode plus the true meaning behind the song “Who’ll Stop The Rain”, the possibility of a CCR biopic and more!

00:00 - Intro
00:53 - California Gold with Bobby Whitlock
03:56 - Donald "Duck" Dunn
05:30 - New Album Reception
06:38 - Netflix Documentary & Live Album
09:41 - Jeff Bridges Narrating the Documentary
10:48 - Royal Albert Hall Show & The Beatles
14:00 - A Future CCR Biopic?
15:50 - Guitar Players on New Project
18:00 - Drugs, CCR's Success & Psychedelic Rock
23:38 - CCR as a Band
27:40 - Who'll Stop The Rain
30:25 - CCR Vs. John Fogerty Solo
31:15 - California Gold & Bobby's Voice
37:48 - Juvenile Diabetes Research Fund
38:22 - Two Track Masters
40:40 - Outro

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford website:
https://dougcosmoclifford.com/

Juvenile Diabetes Research Fund website:
https://www.jdrf.org/

Chuck Shute website:
http://chuckshute.com/

Transcript

Chuck Shute: 0:00

Well, it's not often you get to say you're having a member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on your show. But today I can say that Doug Cosmo Clifford, drummer and founding member of Creedence Clearwater Revival, one of the biggest bands in the world. He's he's back. He's back on the show a second time. And the band has a new documentary slash live show on Netflix out now. It's called traveling band, Creedence Clearwater live at Royal Albert Hall, and we're going to talk about that plus he has a new solo record with Bobby Whitlock, from Derek and the dominos. That's the guy that literally saying Leila on the biggest hits ever. And Doug's gonna also tell me the true meaning behind one of Creedence Clearwater is biggest hits who will stop the rain. All this and more coming right up

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 0:51

Welcome back to the show, Doug. How's it going? Great. Jack, how are you?

Chuck Shute: 0:55

Great. Yeah, that's exciting. So you just keep on pumping out all the music. There's all this music from the vaults. And the last one was Clifford right that we talked about. That was a that was a fun thing. That was like an 80s kind of sounding. This is more like I would say like would you say bluesy, soulful? How would you describe it?

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 1:12

Say that both of those descriptions are correct.

Chuck Shute: 1:19

Yeah, so it's called now it's it's just this is technically under your name Doug Clifford. California. Gold is the name of the album. But it features Bobby Whitlock who of course, he was the

Charles Shute: 1:31

co founder of Derek and the dominoes and singer vise.

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 1:33

That's the guy that sang Leila. That's right. Yeah.

Unknown: 1:37

That's pretty amazing. So how did you to hook up?

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 1:40

Well, I was looking for a band to go forward with post cretin systems in 1978. And I was at and Donald Duck dance as a bass player extra extravagance wrapped up in gold and silver. The best Well, one of the best bass players and they've ever done on the planet. So anyway, we were chatting, he says, I I know somebody. He says, How about Bobby Whitlock? And I said Bobby Whitlock that rings a bell. And then he told me the story. And I said, Well, why don't you call him up and ask him if he wouldn't be interested in joining me in a band. And so he did. And Bobby was sited about that. And I was excited that he was excited. And we drove up to my house in the Bay Area, San Francisco Bay Area. And we chatted and got to know each other a little bit. He had his pregnant wife with him, and their little three year old daughter. And so we just started right off the bat started writing, huh, as we've co wrote all the music to this, just like the Clifford Wright was the same situation. Steve Wright and I were the the writers there and so on and so forth. So anyway, I said, you know, we got some nice songs here. But if we don't record them, we're going to forget them. Well, yeah, you might think you have the greatest sign in the world. Especially when you go to sleep. And you know, you go I I'm a little too tired to get up. So I'll remember it in the morning. You don't remember it in the morning because you were asleep. So we did some recording in different studios around the bay area as we would gather the material and that's what California gold is.

Charles Shute: 3:53

Okay. Yeah, that's so then explain to me how you got together with Donald Don, did you already know him? Because yeah, he's played on tons of amazing records. And he's a famous studio musician.

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 4:05

He's a good friend. And you know, I've known him for a long time and so we're close I actually produced two or three albums with duck as my bass player and back in the day and so but anyway, the problem that we had is it was it was really a good bunch of music that we were making but that got the call from John Belushi blues you want him to be Blues Brother. And that's it. You know, I guys I gotta take this this is a once in a lifetime thing. And obviously if you didn't take it, we'd kick in the ass and yeah, right of course you have to take it so that kind of put a big hole in our on our project and And then some of the other guys said, Well, you know, I've just been offered this so that is this. Finish it off. So I said, into the ball you go and join your brothers and involved and I have a lot so in the vault that will eventually come out but right now first things first, I got to concentrate on California gold and get airplay, that's what went to game is. If you're an artist, you need to have people hear your your work. And let them be the judge of whether they think it's good or not. And so far, so. So good, everybody, I've played it for us. Not only taking it and listen to it, but listen to it several times, so I think I have a winner.

Charles Shute: 5:59

Yeah, the songs are catchy. They get in your head. It's funny because I listened to I was listening to some of that. And then like I went, took a shower, and then I come back and I'm like, wait, the songs like it's still with me. Like it's in my head. I'm singing along to it. The chorus is a very catchy, really good stuff.

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 6:14

Oh, thank you. You know, your reputation and mine is that I'm a drummer. I'm one of them. Well, we were number one in the world in 69 and 70, knocking the Beatles off. And by the way, we have a documentary of the show at Royal Albert Hall in London. That's out now and it's really good. It's got some some of the funniest stuff that we did when we were in Europe, like bicycles, riding bicycles, and hotel rooms and hallways and down into the to the dining rooms and just stuff that 25 year old rock musicians would do. Nothing we didn't break any any any windows or glass or anything like that. We just there's some bikes, no one will miss them, we'll return them where we found them when when we're done with them. And it just a fun stuff like that. So you might want to check that out.

Charles Shute: 7:25

Yeah, I watched that last night. It's really good. And I think like you said it's all positive. It's nothing negative because that is when there was some turmoil in the band but they didn't show any of that they just showed the fun stuff

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 7:35

they did and that was the way it should have been done and hats off to the label for for the job they did they got some pretty good guys to engineer the finished product. Again, using using some of the Beatles people and so it was yeah, I'm excited that we have that and if this this record in California gold gets charted, then I'll be competing against myself. The other album, it's kind of funny. I told him I was gonna do it because I waited 50 some odd years to get the Robert Hall thing done and they would always wait till it was too late for Christmas and actually you can you can't miss Christmas Eve I mean, you guys you're in the record business the meeting you can stay in it with you know by if you miss that when you've missed 40% of your sales at least so so I decided you know I've got this thing ready to go. I don't know if they're going to be able to get that thing out before Christmas but they they did I beat him by a week by week and this is kind of a weird situation. You know, I'm putting a record out against you and I'm on both records.

Charles Shute: 9:15

So is there an actual like record for it to that because I watched on Netflix but you can actually buy like is there an audio version like a vinyl?

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 9:21

Yeah, there is. There's every everything including? audio cassette, video cassette, Blu ray. Wow. On you. Yeah, there are many options for the documentary.

Charles Shute: 9:39

How did you how did you guys get Jeff Bridges to do the narration I know he is he a fan because there's all those references and Big Lebowski about CCR.

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 9:47

He's a huge fan and I'm a huge fan of his I haven't met him, right. I haven't met him yet. I mean, you know, we never tell us what they're gonna do. None of us were and asked to come in and help them or mix it do whatever they didn't ask John, they didn't ask Do they didn't ask me. And of course, they can't ask Tom. So they just do things their way. But they have their their they bought out fantasy the original label. Rafters is the label and they're really good and they also spend money on advertising that will create fantasy never spent a penny on that. And as cheapo cheapo. And so these guys are real real deal, they come up with good little projects, and we want to keep him keep doing the same thing.

Chuck Shute: 10:47

Is there more CCR stuff that could be released concerts or behind the scenes footage or stuff like that

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 10:52

there is not. And we did that on purpose. We did have nothing in the in the other other vaults, or vaults. We left them nothing. The only thing that there was was the the when there was a film being made for television, and that's where the footage from Oakland Coliseum came from. But Tom left the band. So that whole net just, you know, throw it out and put it out, as you know, when we were a quartet, and now we're a trio. So that would be the only thing that was left and John, when he was negotiating his exit from fantasy said you can only put out one previously unreleased record and that's in case something showed up and whatever. What showed up was the film they were making for TV. And they put the put it out as Royal Albert Hall and it was, it wasn't

Chuck Shute: 12:05

this new one is the Royal Albert Hall thing,

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 12:07

the new one is a real deal. You see the entire show and how we did it and not acting and we're also playing in the Beatles house and we're there kind of like athletes, you know, we're there to, to show on that, you know, we belong on the same stage that they do. And you know, they they had all the personalities and multiple singers and writers and we had none of that but we had a pretty good product ban product black, for lack of a better word. We've made good records and real rock and roll records or double sided heads and things that were right in the Beatles wheelhouse so I'm an athlete and if you saw the the the you realize what I'm doing to those drums is very athletic.

Chuck Shute: 13:13

Yeah, all your football background. So I mean, that was like a big part of you know, you come up with a drummer physical part.

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 13:20

Exactly. And that's we were very physical band. As I say, when you see what we did in the Royal Albert Hall, we did that wherever we played. That's where we were and we you know, I liked the Beatles and I was a fan of The Beatles and I love them and but when when when it's competition I'm out there to take home the trophy.

Charles Shute: 13:53

Absolutely. Well you say that so there's nothing else left of the CCR vault. Now what about some creating some new stuff in terms of like a biopic because that's kind of the big thing right now they

Chuck Shute: 14:03

made the Queen movie they made one for Elvis. Why not one for CCR. Like, how would you feel about that?

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 14:10

I'm not really sure I'm sure that we didn't do that with no with the the the thing that we have out now I don't know what really what the difference would be I mean, it's kind of

Chuck Shute: 14:28

like a fictional movie like we're you have actors that play and tell the whole story but you know, you haven't seen like the queen movie in the you haven't. There's a new Elvis one. There was one from Motley Crue the dirt. I mean, they're really popular. It's becoming a really popular thing where they're making these movies about about all these big bands

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 14:47

have to run that by the label. See what they think. It's not something that we would do as a band because we sure

Chuck Shute: 14:57

know they would just tell your story my interview interview For the story or something, but yeah,

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 15:02

awesome, I'll see if they might be interested in and the problem with it is that if they did something like that, then I would have to insist that they are input in different animals and on something that we've already done and they had the rights to do something totally, totally different. And I'd want to have something to do with it. But I'm so busy right now. We're promoting California gold. And right now, I also have started at my own record company. So

Chuck Shute: 15:48

yeah, so back to the California gold. I was gonna ask you about this. So the guitar player, because obviously, you know, Donald Don, I looked him up, and I was like, Oh, this guy's massively famous Booker T and the MGS. And then Bobby Whitlock, I was like, Oh, that's a guy that's saying Leila. But the guitar players I'm not super, super familiar with them. Did they do a lot of other work?

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 16:07

One of them did, I'm not even sure about the other. One was Michael O'Neill. I didn't really even know him. I think Bobby knew him. And he played on the first sessions before dark left. And then David Vega played, took his place. And David Vega was with the Grand Central Station. For them, he was a very good player, loser, loser oriented. And so we had some pretty good guys in that band. We practiced a lot and got got pretty good. And as I say, things started to drop off. And it was not not to be I don't know, what would have happened, if everybody would have stayed, but I think we would have had quite a few hits coming coming out of that band.

Chuck Shute: 17:19

Yeah, you don't you don't think I mean, if Bobby was Bobby still in? Because if he was still on, it was that was you and him are the core of the band. Right? You couldn't just replace the other members?

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 17:27

Well, yeah, he was just what his wife was, didn't like the Bay Area. And so that that sort of happy life happy wife. You know, there was no need to go and go away the enthusiasm. Guys were in places that they didn't want to be or did want to be. And so into the wall, you go,

Chuck Shute: 17:59

Hmm, does that when you have projects like that, that? I mean, it's good music, and it just for whatever reason, you know, problems with geographical and all these things that happen. It doesn't happen. Does that make you appreciate what you had with CCR more and go, you know, even even and then that CCR didn't last forever. But, you know, it makes you kind of appreciate that that short window where you guys were so big, it's very rare, right? I mean, just because there's so many things have to fall in place for things to be successful for you to be successful in the music business.

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 18:28

Well, at least for us, was being straight and sober. 100% of the time, when we were doing business, what you did at home, on your own time was up to you but we weren't in drugs anyway. You know, we smoked weed. Now you can go down and buy it at at a dispensary. So you know, and not that much. I mean, it was it was something to relax by. And John, John didn't do any of it. He tried to try the weed and he got got paranoid. So that was the end of that. But that was something that we do, and I and Tom would enjoy it proper time and place. So if we were wacky, we wouldn't have been able to do all those albums that we did do the tourists behind those albums. You know, if you were in a band and somebody came up and said, you know, if we're ever off the charts, we'll be forgotten. That was John's reasoning behind it all. And we were never off the charts until we broke up so and you should never put a single out that isn't on, on and out. album already, we did the opposite. We put singles out in between albums because we're the album's weren't ready. But a single from the forthcoming album, so we would have, be able to be on the charts. It's just kind of a funny thing. You know, when God said that, you know, if we're off the charts, we will be forgotten. So, you know, everybody you got is off the charts at some time. This is why won't be us. Okay. So I know what, you know what we're doing. I'm on board and what we're doing nothing like learning songs that are that are unique in terms of what was happening musically with the other guys across the bay in San Francisco. The psychedelic rock, that was certainly not us. And they said call this a boy scouts or rock and roll. We weren't doing drugs. And and said, We were sellouts. We sold out 2am radio. And it's kind of funny because Spencer Dryden was the drummer, or the airplane, and there was a 20 year get together at the Fillmore West, when Bill Graham was still alive. And see what guys are doing in history, go into the old place and have a little party. And were doing talking to Spencer and he said, you know, we would call you guys all those names and saying you're copping out doing putting out singles on ham radio, he says, We tried and tried and tried to add a single out, we could never do it. You guys were putting out double sided hands. And so it really wasn't. Because you guys were selling houses that you guys were successful and putting out hit records. And we couldn't we couldn't get close to it. So what do you do we play psychedelic music and tell everybody how cool we are?

Charles Shute: 22:37

That's funny. Yeah, well, because it's probably a lot harder to write those melodic, you know, catchy songs, whereas like the psychedelic, I felt, you just you just whatever you feel, and then you make a song. And some of those were really good too. But they write in a hit singles. Not easy. I mean, I've interviewed a lot of musicians, it's not something you can just do.

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 22:57

Well, John, for good he can do. That's for sure. And you know, but you know, we were there. When we were looking for songs, and in between, we jammed every day. And there there was things in those games that we all had ownership on and didn't get credit for it. But you know, the music speaks for itself. So we had a good work ethic and stuck stuck to the to the trail.

Chuck Shute: 23:36

What do you think I know John was the main songwriter. But what did the rest? What did you guys want to bring to the band in terms of Do you think you somehow motivated John or some because it seems like when the band broke up, it's not like John went on to this prolific solo career. I mean, he had some good songs too, but it wasn't it wasn't the same. There was something special about the band CCR, in my opinion

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 23:58

there. You're absolutely correct. And what I, I probably would, the, the most opportunity to put forth ideas because everyone else was a guitar player and got that's John's instruments, so he knew exactly what he wanted from the guitar players. But he didn't. I'm the only drummer in the house and I knew exactly what I was doing and made songs better Suzie Q was a rockabilly song I turned it into a quarter note dance groove. And then born in the Bay, which is my favorite greeting song same thing was a quarter note beat I had a different based pattern, but it worked on the accents on the two and four a lot this cymbal crashes very few times in a row. added on the one and one and three. And by I used a lot of hitting the, the drum and the symbol at the same time it's, it's a, it's a power thing. It's kind of comes from the rhythm and blues. And so that was that was mine a lot of times, you know, John would would tell me to play a certain thing and I'd take it home with my little four track machine and my, my little Sony cassette player, I put it on on the floor of the factory when we would be rehearsing or jamming. And it wasn't a perfect recording what that wasn't the point gathered information of what we were doing. And I would make notes on signs needed and or had to have didn't have anything at that point yet. So

Chuck Shute: 26:08

So could you you'd make suggestions sometimes on like speeding the song up or slowing it down and that kind of thing.

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 26:14

Not not so much that as as the patterns that I was playing with my feet, the bass drum, and just making sure that that that backbeat was where it should be. Al Jackson Jr, who was my idol and mentor told me that, you know, it's okay to move the beat, and move the tempo of the beat here is according and that's the middle of that novel. And but because you're a human, I said, he said, What are your what are your goals? I said, I want to be a metronome. He says, why would you want to be a metronome? I said, Well, John says, from time to time I'm just trying to get him where he wants it. You never ever said I didn't. I never got I got any any bypass in the bathroom, John. Just witness not how you did it. And so Okay, if that's where it is, and I'm going to come up with ideas. And that makes sense to me. Perfect. Perfect example, who will stop the rain? What was that song? Well, listen to next time you listen to it, listen to what the drums are doing. The all that was on hated it. In the end, I went out I said, this is just an ordinary song. It doesn't. It's not something that we wouldn't do. You know. Kind of a ballad, but but not. So I came up with a sword. It's not a triplet like that. But it's kind of triplet based. I got it from that. Got it from listening to some some r&b stuff. And then there's a fill after that, that break this part of the fill. So listen to what's happening, especially going into the course. And during the course. All of that all of that was done in John's in don't don't play don't play it. And I'm playing it. Every once in a while you got to stand up, you know?

Unknown: 28:52

Yeah. Is that song?

Chuck Shute: 28:53

No, I heard that song was about how the band was kind of achieving all the success. But there was all this inner turmoil at the same time. Well,

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 29:02

what John was saying in the interviews was that it was the reign of Richard Nixon. It's not rain, as in water coming from the sky. It was a random a pretty crappy leader. And then, in he for years, was didn't like Woodstock. We weren't weren't in the movie. We weren't in the records, they found that he threatened to sue the label and which happened to be his label, even Warner Brothers. And then that then a chance had a change of heart. And he now he has a Volkswagen painted up. And he says that after he came back from Woodstock, he wrote who will stop the rain. So that's it. Then he went to any what he was saying originally, so, Hmm.

Chuck Shute: 30:05

Interesting. Yeah, so many so many hit songs. So many, so many memories, some some good, some bad, but I mean, it's such a legacy that the band has left behind.

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 30:16

Well, you know, you brought this up. We had can at least 10 hits top 10 singles in a very short period of time we put out Yeah, three albums in 1969. And then, when John went out solo in 40 years and made for more than that now, as a solo artist, he's had to top 10 singles and we did it in like a three year period and he's had all those years after he got rid of the guys that were holding them back

Chuck Shute: 31:03

Is that what he said? He said, You guys were holding them back.

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 31:06

Wow, that's it was it was implied.

Chuck Shute: 31:10

Yeah. That's tough but I mean yeah, the music will stay there forever. So you have that and then now you've created all this new stuff and the California gold record it's out now it's on Spotify. It's on can people get a physical copy of that one as well?

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 31:26

Yeah, you can you don't have the the CDs yet but they're gonna be made but you can preorder one so when as soon as they're ready. You will you will have it i like i like CDs myself. But right now the only way you can get it is and play it immediately is downloaded.

Chuck Shute: 31:51

Okay, yeah. It's great stuff. Like I said, bluesy, soulful. If people like that kind of music so you said you're trying to get airplay? Is it is it playing on the blue stations? Or were you trying to get played

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 32:02

anywhere? that'll, that'll play it there? There are all these. I don't like that. It makes me sound old. Well, what am I saying? But all these stations, hard rock stations, there are formats that will fit the bill for this record. And I'm just trying to get get people that are involved with the station I mentioned in stations that would be willing to, to put it on their playlist. We get on a play lesson you get played and people hear it. That's the only way that people can make a judgement on on the record and want to buy it or want to stream it or whatever habit habit around it's a very I think it's Bobby's best vocals. And I have to, you know, as a producer, you want the best from your guys. Well, I had the best guys, but Bobby's voice wasn't as strong as I want to be. And so I made him quit smoking cigarettes.

Chuck Shute: 33:23

Really I didn't know that

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 33:25

Oh yeah. Made him quit smoking cigarettes and and two weeks after you could notice a difference and he liked like that it made it easier easier for him to quit and then after that I got him to run I was I wouldn't run every day and then work out with weights lightweights. You don't have to use the weights if you don't want to, but you have to use the legs because that's connected to your to your heart and connect it to your wind. And it's gonna make you a better singer and Man oh man. And when you're a singer, and you made this change, big change in that fracture instrument, which is your vocal cords it's again off man and he was he was getting off.

Chuck Shute: 34:28

Yeah, no, I'm gonna have to go back and listen now to Derek and the dominos and compare how his voice sounds because Yeah, well I was kind of blown away by the vocals. It was very the range is very it's just like I mean, I can't even imitate it because I'm terrible singer but I was I was blown away how good the vocals sound.

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 34:43

Yeah, he really did a good job on this record. No question about it. Everybody did really. But you know when your lead singers killing it. Man you get mileage that way.

Chuck Shute: 35:00

I'm not sure helps. So what's next? Is there more projects in the vault that will be released later

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 35:05

there there are at but I'm in no rush to get them out. We're just starting to get get the California gold out. We wouldn't want to get it in places where it's easily accessible. And as you say, some hard copies, we get to get the CDs. And it will also be in vinyl. Vinyl has made a comeback. It's kind of interesting. I don't know, I can't stand. I can't stand vinyl because I ruined a lot of records. Putting the needle down on a record because there were bits in that portion of the record was something I wanted to hear. More than likely I wasn't borrowing it from whomever professionals don't steal they borrow. And it's true. You know, it's a free art line. You're not stealing a song? No, for no. But you know, maybe drum fills. I used to listen to the r&b stations when I was 1314. Listen to the fields that the drummers were using.

Chuck Shute: 36:22

Did you have to do any of the big credence hits have stone drum fills

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 36:26

Not really. blesses bathroom was our motto. But the one that one song where I really just loaded it up was hula, stop the rain. And it really makes that song alive. It really makes a big difference. They had the opportunity. cretins, tape around or CD around, listen to that song. And none of that was in there when when we learned the song. And I went home and did my homework and came back and the next time we played it, I put it in there as it always runs. It makes a difference. And I stuck in there and

Chuck Shute: 37:17

yeah, I have to re listen to that one. Okay, so yeah, so the California goal is out now the film. What is the title? The Netflix documentary? The Royale? Is it just called Royal Albert Hall Show

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 37:28

is Creedence. Live at Royal Albert Hall.

Chuck Shute: 37:33

Okay, yeah, it's on Netflix where people can get like you said the other different versions of it. Final or DVD or audio or whatever. So there's those two things and there's more coming. And then I always end each episode with promoting a charity. I think last time you were here you promoted the Juvenile Diabetes Research Fund. You want to call it that one again?

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 37:51

Yeah, I do. Because we have a song that was we made a Christmas album. Several people so relax. And Creedence Clearwater revisited the Chuck Berry's sign on there. And it was we did it in a soundcheck with just the two tracks, tape, and all this stuff that you're listening to, by the way, including California gold, they're there to track masters. I don't know what happened to the multitrack. So they disappeared. So any and everything that we did Russell to shield was the guy with the technical skills. I told him what I wanted done, and he could do it and do it with with finesse, so all those things were were mixed, I mixed them with the idea the next thing would be mastering but they didn't get out of the ball. So they they've been mastered now and we did do some things and that all of the Clifford right? That's another one. They're all the two track masters. And revamped as best you can with just two tracks. And I wanted to snare drum up volume for example. I had to find the exact frequency that that snare drum and then boost it up a little bit and then so that the level of it comes up and also use compression ever but but the problem with that is there are other things that are in that frequency, that don't mean not necessarily what you want to have any louder than it is maybe even the other way around. So yeah, that was a game we played Russell and I was fine, what we need to boost, and then see how it affects other things on the record. So it's just money way to do it and do it. But that's your only source.

Chuck Shute: 40:28

Gotcha. Okay. Well, thanks so much, Doug. I will put the links in the show notes and people and get the album out now and check out the movie and we'll look forward to more music.

Doug "Cosmo" Clifford: 40:37

I appreciate it. Okay, thanks

Unknown: 40:39

so much. See you later. Thank you.

Chuck Shute: 40:41

Bye, bye. Thank you again to Doug. It's always nice to chat with him and hear stories about one of the biggest bands in the world. So check out that new Creedence documentary on Netflix. And also check out Doug's new solo record with Bobby Whitlock. It's titled California gold. I appreciate all your support with the show. Thank you for listening. Make sure you're following us on social media and subscribe so you'd be the first to know of future episodes. We have some very exciting guests lined up that I can't wait for you to hear. In the meantime, have a great rest of your day and remember to shoot for the moon