Chuck Shute Podcast

Stephen Pearcy (Ratt singer)

July 07, 2021 Stephen Pearcy Season 3 Episode 152
Chuck Shute Podcast
Stephen Pearcy (Ratt singer)
Show Notes Transcript

Episode 152- Stephen Pearcy of Ratt!!! Ratt’s legacy continues to be a big part of pop culture today.  Their music was just featured in a recent Geico commercial. You’ve also heard their music in Stranger Things, Family Guy and tons of other places. Stephen tells me about some really great projects coming up that he has including 2 docu-series, a new double solo record coming out, a second book at some point and a role in an upcoming musical with my old pal Geoff Tate from Queensryche. This was a fun one!!! 

00:00 - Intro
01:36 - Welcome Stephen & New Solo Record
04:15 - Docu-Series - "Back for More" & ASY TV Show 
06:40 - Motley Crue's "The Dirt" & Stories To Be Told
08:02 - The Struggle & Work Ethic 
12:15 - Solo Band "Ratt Bastards" 
13:17 - Debut EP - "Ratt" 
14:05 - "Lack of Communication" & Playing Old Songs
15:48 - "Way Cool Jr" Song & Inspiration 
16:50 - Warren DeMartini & Original Members 
20:15 - Touring with Poison 
21:30 - Living the Ratt Life & Future Shows
23:20 - Thoughts on Vince Neil 
24:30 - Friendly Rivalry with Axl Rose 
26:30 - Docu-Series & Upcoming Books
29:30 - Eddie Van Halen 
30:25 - Upcoming Musical with Geoff Tate 
31:15 - Cancer & Animals 
31:40 - Wrap Up 

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Chuck Shute:

Welcome to the show today, big guest, Steven piercey. singer of rat, if you don't know this is you're probably listening to the wrong podcast. That was a huge band in the 80s. And their legacy continues to this day. The band and their music were just featured in a recent Geico commercial. And you've probably also heard their music and Stranger Things, Family Guy, tons of other places. Steven tells me about some really great projects that he has coming up including two docu series, one on xy TV that's coming out soon, and one of his own that he's still working on. Plus, he's got a new double solo record that's going to be coming out soon. And at some point, he's talking about a second book. And he also has a role in an upcoming musical with my old pal Jeff Tate from Queens Reich. So we just scratched the surface on a lot of this stuff, and his time with rat and his story. So if you want to learn more about him, I highly recommend you read his first book sex drugs and rat role. It's a highly entertaining read. It's on par with motley crews, the dirt. And if you've already read his book, then I think you're still gonna love this interview because we discuss a lot of things that are not in the book. So one thing I want to tell you about this interview is it's audio only for Steven. He couldn't do video. So if you're watching on YouTube, don't adjust your screen. You just didn't do video. It's audio only. So here we go. Enjoy it. Well, let's just dive right in. Welcome Steven piercey to the truck shoe podcast. I appreciate you doing this. How are you feeling today?

Stephen Pearcy:

real good. Just getting getting busy again here. You know, I'm trying to finish up this record to get in the studio. And just a lot of things going on. It's good to be out playing again. did a couple of shows recently. And it looks like everybody else out there is ready to have a good time.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, yeah. I think people are really desperate for concert right now. Really, really? Like I just want to steal Panzer. That was my first one. It was amazing. People were going crazy. For live music.

Stephen Pearcy:

Yeah, you know, you put everybody in a box and found a break.

Chuck Shute:

Right. So you mentioned the new record. Tell me about that. Because this is your solo record. But I heard it's actually going to be a double record. Is that correct?

Stephen Pearcy:

Yeah. Now, yeah, we've just our I decided to make a double record. I mean, we started writing got a year and a half, almost two years ago. And it'll be solo record number six. So the record was pretty much done waiting to go into the studio. And then this COVID thing went down. And that put us behind so in the meantime, I just started writing, like a maniac and, and working with our bass player, Jerry Montana and and God even Frankie came by and put down a riff. So now we have all these songs, and they're, they're even more sound more refreshing. So I got to go back to the other ones that give them a kick in the ass. You know? Right. Yeah. Too many songs always a good problem to have too many songs.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, and it sounds like it's gonna be a really eclectic mix kind of a kind of reminds me when the double albums and eclectic I mean, the first thing comes to mind for me is Guns and Roses. Use your illusions.

Stephen Pearcy:

I'm not going to try to make it some kind of episode thing. But you know, it's gonna be an interesting, right? It's going to be you know, I can't use the word all over the place. But, you know, our bass player comes from like dancing and Hell yeah. And, you know, I can deal with that heavier stuff. Eric, and I, you never know what we're gonna do. He gives me a riff or a song. And I'm like, that's it, you know? So it's a good, we're in a good place. And hopefully we'll start. I'm hoping within the next few months.

Chuck Shute:

Okay, well, that's great. And then Besides, you have so many projects going on the backstage pass thing. The docu series is so awesome. Yeah, I

Stephen Pearcy:

got to bring that up. Yeah, that's that show, which will be in hopefully pre production. We get settled next year, probably late or mid 2022, depending on touring schedule, but we're going to try to put a few shows in the can. And right now we're calling it "Back for More." So the title me just just going through and writing and doing what we've been doing Kristy Addair & myself. Kristy will be involved in producing. Obviously, we've come up with so many other ideas for The, and it just can't be just another show that interviews, you know, musicians, or sports stars or whatever, now the door is open. It's not just rock and roll, although we'll just will inevitably start there as a starting point, with, obviously my genre, the 80s. where, Ratt per se came from and the Motleys, and the WASP, and that whole Sunset Strip era, some things have been beaten down, but a friend of mine who's been helpful in directing and producing also Tommy out the collar is a big part of this to this guy. So we'll see what happens. It's going to be, all I can say is it's going to be just like I say, view our music is dangerous, colorful and exciting. Yeah, we want it to be different, and it will, but there is a documentary or a docu series, three parts coming out. With me on on ASY TV, it's pretty much been finished up now. And hopefully it will be out next month. And it's going to be a three part series on the history in the making of my band rat. Okay, we take you we take you everywhere where it started, where we were Hurst inside of the one of the places and it's gonna be it's the first time this is really gone down. So we're looking forward to getting this out next month. Okay. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

yeah. So tell me so because I know you mentioned obviously, people have talked about Motley Crue the dirt that I read the book and the movie, you said the movie was kind of toned down, compared to real life and you live. And you said that you'd rather show the real life then have actors and you have footage of a lot of onstage and backstage stuff? So is this stuff that's gonna go into the back to more back for more? Or is this stuff in the xy docu series on you?

Stephen Pearcy:

There is a lot of mentionging of things that were never put it through the book, that Motley's never talked about our friendship. And there's some interesting stories I'm telling for the first first first time and you're correct Yeah, we lived it. I mean, you know, we bounced into those guys on this trip in like 1981 Robin and I and Bobby was pretty much establishing the Sunset Strip, you know, right honing in on the whiskey and we there was no competition for me and Mickey Ratt per se and when Jake E was in the band, and then he took off and I started with Robin with Ratt as we know it, but there's plenty of stories, I got some great photos never stained of a bunch of hanging out doing some, you know, ridiculous things, but it's all it's all good. It's history. It's gonna be a it's gonna be a good thing.

Chuck Shute:

I know that we'll find it interesting. Oh, it's amazing. I loved your book. And I love you know, you talk about how you love the struggle, and you appreciate the struggling days more than the successful ones. And I think in the book, your your friend, Beth Miller says that you were extremely driven and focused, and you always had that energy. So talk about your work ethic in those early years. Like, because I mean, yeah, we you know, you talk about the drugs and the sex. I mean, there's ton of that in the book. But the part that's really inspiring to me is like, how hard you worked and how hard how much you wanted it.

Stephen Pearcy:

Yeah, appreciate that. Well, it's just wanting something and knowing, I mean, I gotta blame that on Van Halen in 78- the minute when I was getting into music and not forming a band yet, still on crutches and shed learning guitar. Once I got wind of go see this band called Van Halen, a friend of mine in 78, you've got to see if they're playing the Whiskey now, they are no longer playing Gazzaris. He's right. The same stage with adores Van Halen, and Ratt started because so it's pretty crazy. I mean, in the book, I had to dwell into some of that nonsense to get it out of the way. I do want to do another book, when there's time and really get into the nuts and bolts, both of Mickey Ratt- the whole process which will be you know, thoroughly explained and"Back For More" , which was tentatively back "Backstage Pass". But if there's a lot of things that it needs to be told, and it's party history and and the legacy is what it is very happy about it, but my worth that ethics haven't changed at all. It's the same as now. I write all the time and try to get things done, you know, not just playing anymore. You know, there's other things that excite maybe besides drag racing, go and talk to a race, and I'd rather do that. But here I am, you know, forever a Ratt bastard. So yeah, for, work ethic haven't changed a bit, I still do when I get into something, I've driven to accomplish it. And so unfortunately for me, it took being, in a terrible accident to turn me on to music and next thing you know, creating these bands and, it's a process, but yeah, and then you when you get humbled, you can have all this success you want. But then, we all got humbled in the 90s. I don't blame that on garage, I don't blame that I said, our music never went anywhere. And, if you're saying the 80s genre is bigger than ever, and everybody that's still out there and being heard from the 80s genre, per se, should really appreciate it. Because not only are some of these bands being played, a lot for the first time since the 80s. , I'm saying, Now, it's something new again, and I don't see any changes happening, I think,, it is what it is, everything's been done, so with me, it's finding other outlets, and things to entertain myself, number one, and number two, to be creative in the marketplace and in business and in music. And because it is a business, you know, per se, you don't get you don't sit around and get loaded 24 hours a day, eventually it stopped. Still have a good time. But you know what I mean? But yeah, it's all good. A lot of things coming up. And we're, you know, we're excited about it. And most of all, get out there and play. And, yeah, really turn some people on. So I'm happy about that.

Chuck Shute:

No, I'm excited. I've only seen you, your solo band. I've never I've never seen you with with rat. And you because your solo band is you try to have kind of a grittier version with that you do that on purpose?

Stephen Pearcy:

Oh, yeah. You know, it's kind of like a Mickey rat was the he put it this way, the EP, the rat EP. That's pretty much what the rat bastard is about, you know, it's just getting out there and just not being so formulated. You know, I respect what rad is about and this and that, but right now rad without the original members to me, could be my solo band, you know. And, and so, you know, what do we give him what you got? Never go through motions. But I'd rather play the stuff a little grittier, you know, you're at rad EP, you know, that we get off on.

Chuck Shute:

So that EP that first up those songs are all I know this, they were actually all written in the 70s. They're written by you and your teenage years. So did the songs evolve? By the time you recorded them, though, in 83? No,

Stephen Pearcy:

they're pretty much the same. Because we had to those early songs. When when we did out of the cellar, when we started going out on the road, like we opened up for ZZ Top one time and, and we had to play the whole EP, and that's where walking the dog was in our set. And so you play what you got? You know what I mean? Yeah. And so anyway, so be it there.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, but those songs and then, you know, obviously, you're out of the cellar album is huge. And the song lack of random random rounds, obviously, the big song but lack of communication is also a great song. And I don't know if that song was about a relationship with a girl, or what but do you think that song is kind of relevant for today? Because I feel like it would fit with today's society and not really communicating with each other.

Stephen Pearcy:

Well, yeah, you could, you could throw that you know, analogy in there with that. I didn't want one cruise here. Pretty much our bass player that brought that to the band. I think I just changed the bunch of things on it. And of course, you put all the original guys on something like that. And then you get lack of communication you No. But you know, and and that whole record, I mean, you know, your work all your lives, you know, to record the first record to write your first song, you know, I mean, you're too Record your first album, not your first. But you know, even in your direction is another Mickey rat, late 70 song, you know, those songs just last I mean, right now, in our solos that we're adding, you know, sweet cheaters and favorite you got it is back on this set from the EP, we're gonna throw tell the world in there. It's just people taking the the EP songs the rat really doesn't perform a lot of those early EP songs. I think maybe cheater. That's about it and tough. You think you're tough, which was written in 82. Robin and I wrote that in 82. And the others were just songs that I had written through the years that make you read, you know,

Chuck Shute:

that's so cool. You know, it's one of my favorite rap songs. And I think you said it was one of your favorites, too, is way cool, Jr. I just feel like the band was hitting on all cylinders on that song. It's got a great drum intro and then the baseline, the guitar riffs, your lyrics. And I love your vocal range, how you kind of go low and then high. I mean, what inspired that song? Oh, it's so great.

Stephen Pearcy:

Oh, man Beau Hill, Ratt producer, he held trying some different. But then again, you get Warren in there and he throws down a riff like that. He Robin and I pretty much came up with the harder riff rat song. And, you know, I'm insane. Is though, just the heavier songs. Okay. And Warren tends to have that more of a he can play anything. So out of the blue, he came up with that riff and it ended up turning into a song, you know, and a brilliant song. You know?

Chuck Shute:

Hey, whatever. So what happened with Warren? I mean, if you want to get into I don't want to get into drama, but I noticed that they do write a lot about Warren in the book, you write a lot about your friendship with Robin and Juan. And you write about Blotzer and how you guys like argued and stuff, but you don't really like write a lot about Warren good or bad. And then now, obviously, he's not in the band. It seems like he just disappeared. Is he okay, like, is he doing ok?

Stephen Pearcy:

No Warren is is out there playing with the Kings of Chaos or some band like that.

Chuck Shute:

Oh, that's right. Yeah, he's still doing that. Okay.

Stephen Pearcy:

Yeah, he's out there doing some things and I like to bump into them and do a jam. I mean, look, once a rat always a Ratt Bastard. There ain't no getting out of this club. Unless you're, rest in peace. Robin, that's certainly what you're getting out. And, there's nothing I would like, and I'm sure our fans would, to see us doing some, and then in the future, times that the clock's ticking time to take care? Yeah, and it would be a great thing. I mean, I've had Bobby I just did a live stream concert solo show at the Whiskey. Not too long ago, and I had Bobby Blotzer come out and play a couple songs, of course, Round and Round. And he had a little stick. And, I don't know, you might see him coming out and jammin with me a little more. It's all about, getting through the day, we've all done it there and done it. Ratt has been there and done it. And I keep saying this over and over. We are NOT the most dysfunctional bands on the planet. So I'll get as much credit, you know, yeah, no, I

Chuck Shute:

think every band I had Brian we from Tesla, and he said, we would have what we call discussions, but sometimes they would get physical I fight so I mean, I, I think, don't you think that sometimes makes the band great is if everybody cares a lot. And if nobody gave a shit, then that'd probably be worse.

Stephen Pearcy:

Yeah, and that's it. That happened with success, you'll be amazed what happened with their success thrown in the mix. That's why you will go back and backtrack and saying that I appreciate those struggling days more, you know, it almost got too easy. And it showed you know, a little too much of this too much of that but it's rock and roll we call it rat roll and it's still it. You know, I mean, I'm not out there looking for the big party these days. I'm out there doing business, you know and enjoying what could be you know, I mean, retire I don't know that language. I don't know the language of retire because I'm in this business. You know, and I like I like, a lot of it so that I don't, but I've learned a lot and you know, I'm gonna hang out for a little bit. I'd love to play for another couple few years and then kind of kick back and enjoy myself but you know, write music produce to the TV stuff and and the shows and just other things, you know, and obviously drag racing. Yeah.

Chuck Shute:

So you said in your in your book you talk about how poison was the craziest opening band that you had like one of them. Somebody ate a urinal cake and drinks a beer for cigarette butts like,

Stephen Pearcy:

oh my god. Those are stories in the book. But yeah, what they opened up for us, they were crazy. We drove them crazy. You get you get these young pups who think they can talk, you know, top top dog and partying and being out there as we were doing blood almost 300 shows a year. And then these new guys come along and go Yeah, we could hang out. It's like, Yeah, let's do a real job where we almost killed Brett one night, you know, he talks about he tells a story about him almost dying out there on the road. Well, it was trying to out party rat, and then he couldn't do it. And he was sick for two days and Nashville Otto and, and ended up doing the shows, but they were on the road with us. And it was been, you know, a little too cocky for his own good. We drank him and drugged him under the table. And that's rad. Yeah, that's

Chuck Shute:

so funny because I read the book. And I'm just like, I mean, it really is a great title for the book. You know, sex, drugs, and rock and roll because there's so much sex and drugs and I'm thinking, I remember like, halfway through it, I'm going the end. Does he ever get tired of like all this sex and partying? And then there's a line where you say, sometimes I just want a quiet night to watch a movie? And I'm like, Yeah, I would think that that some of the days you just be like, Yeah, I just want to take a break. But you're like, nope, you

Stephen Pearcy:

got to keep going. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, it was a it's a it's a way of life. If you don't live in 110%, you ain't doing your job. I mean, you don't have to get, you know, whacked out to get the job done. I mean, to each his own the day each decade to its own 6079 90s whatever. Now there you got smarter musician, you know, out there understanding that it doesn't need to last too long for these new guys, you know, but for bands, like goes who have hung around for 35, six years. That takes uh, you know, I got a pat on the back every now and that, you know, yeah, we know where we know what we've accomplished. We're proud of our legacy. And, you know, I'd like to take take the BS throat, you know, around the track, one final lap. And, you know, you know, see what happened. But right now, it's, you know, got a few rat shows out there. 2021, a couple of months, July, and it's on my website, official, Steven piercey.com. Everything under the moon is there. Everything in the cellar is in there. And then there's solo shows, and I see a birthday gig with myself and Sebastian for Eddie trunk coming up. So there's some good stuff happening.

Chuck Shute:

That would be I want to see if I can figure out a way to get into, that'd be amazing. But speaking of solo shows, I think I saw some images and video of you doing a recent solo show. You look and sound great. Have you seen footage of your pal Vince Neil though, because he couldn't finish your show? Are you concerned about him? Do you think people are being too hard on him? What are your thoughts on that? Vinny, I love Vinny.... I don't dwell into that.... you don't know what's what's bugging... what's up with somebody if there'll be something bugging them or? I don't know, I can't remark on that. Because he's a brother. I think people yeah, that you're right. Life's too short. You know what I mean? And the thing is, is what's the strangest thing about this whole business and everything is you're so transparent these days. Any musician, any actor, any entertainment and anybody, it's there. So people are lighting up? Yeah, look at look at the brighter side of things. I mean, the guys did achieve a lot. Great. I'm glad that they're getting back together. And then I'm also glad with the Guns and Roses. I've seen them like four times and you have a little thing in your book. I don't want to spoil the books. I think people need to read it. But your whole thing with Axl Rose how you had this rivalry and he would see you in kind of like saying Newman but ersi did you do you guys still have this rivalry? Is this like a friendly rivalry or what's the start?

Stephen Pearcy:

I really didn't get to know him. I wish I you know, in hindsight, you know, I think Oxbow actually was actually pretty broad. Ya know, yeah, the city gets roasted. He got three guys a fucking talented dude. And back then, you know, I mean, who knows what planet I was on when I was running into all the time because, you know, Stevie Adler, you know, I met, you know, we became friends before they even did their record, right and, you know, and used to play it for me, though he finally brought me the final product and I about shit. I went through. I went this is his record is going to be huge. Mark my words. And sure enough, you know, I saw him a couple times, and they're great, you know, but actually, I don't know much respect, man. That's all I could say.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, you have this? Um, did he sign your refrigerator? I heard about this refrigerator. You had no, not him. Sign it. Whatever happened to that fridge?

Stephen Pearcy:

Yeah, well, I you know, it went Mia, foolish me didn't grab it when I was being kicked out of the rat mansion, West. But, you know, that's for the next book, you know, there'll be some, some cool things in there less of the sex drugs and more of the rat and roll. Because there's such a history, you know, with Jay x, rough cut guy. You know, people coming and going and, and just the whole growing through the process. That's what's great about this docu series that's coming out. I mean, we'll be announcing it probably next week, when it comes out. We're finishing it up. Like I say, Now, it'll be a three part series. Now they want to do wanted to do more, but I'm like, I think we got enough. You know, you got to send me some bits and pieces for mine. You know, we have another docu series coming out on the heels of that. So be ready for that. It's just time to let some things, you know, to share the real insight. I mean, look, people to this day, don't fucking even know my lyrics, you know, it's like, it's like that, you know, it's almost like that.

Chuck Shute:

Okay,

Stephen Pearcy:

let's turn you on to some cool shit and good, good stuff and things. You never knew whether it was motley? Or was or this I mean, I could go on, you know, the thing is thing of it was when I wrote that first book, you know, I, everybody was right. And so I kind of waited as long as I could, but I wanted to get the ball rolling on some things. And there's so many things, it would have taken 20 books to talk about the just 10 years, you know, living through the 80s you know, which is really, really, yeah,

Chuck Shute:

I love the early stuff, and I hope in the second but there's more about that time in the 90s. Where, because that like and I am a fan of arcade and all that stuff. So I kind of want to hear more about that, too. So that'll be interesting. Yeah.

Stephen Pearcy:

Yeah, people like the arcade. Who knows. But yeah, there will be a lot more things touched on the 90s 2000s. And even now president, you know, so I mean, the thing is, there's always a new chapter being written, you know, the longer you wait, another chapter is going down, you know, like this chapter with rat right now. What what's going down with the band and etc. And, and so there's, there's a lot to tell, you know, a lot informed people, you know, right, so we got, yeah, good.

Chuck Shute:

That's good.

Stephen Pearcy:

Every might put it this way. My friend. Everybody gets like I said, you get my lyrics wrong. Come on, after 36 years, you know, let's catch a story. Yeah.

Chuck Shute:

Aren't you gonna do a lyric book today? And you talk about that? Yeah.

Stephen Pearcy:

Yeah. And it's gonna, the book will include a real handwritten lyrics. I mean, I have original lyrics go back to 76 handwritten, and, you know, there'll be copies but I'm going to put a lot of original things and what should have been courses and what were bridges and how they change. And so it'll be pretty interesting. You know, different stories what you know, with as in, you know, as me becoming friends with him by in my box 30. I mean, there's great little stories, you know, yeah,

Chuck Shute:

so here's a quick question. I know you got to wrap up here but with Eddie Van Halen since you guys were friends he was your neighbor. Did he ever bring up you trying out for Van Halen when Ross left? Cuz you were like friends now.

Stephen Pearcy:

I got to tell you when when we got together It wasn't about music. We talked about we would we would you know we would talk about life man and just dig and hang and stuff like that, you know, barely, rarely music and we did get the opera. Get ready to play with them and that's all I want. The last 30 something years was to do a gig with Van Halen and we fucking did it Thank you brother you know and Dave and the guys max it was way cool residency said man cuz he was a sweetheart you know?

Chuck Shute:

Yeah for sure okay last thing I think a couple things real quick a movie are you doing this movie with Jeff Tate and Graham bone a called the future now movie musical Is that a real thing coming out

Stephen Pearcy:

are you know that I did a song for that okay is in the works and and I talked to the guy who wrote it and it's something's going down yeah it's gonna be really crazy what it does but yeah I do a character that the character written for me in there and I did go into the studio and recorded a really amazing track you know, written with this guy. And he's got the whole story in any Spellman it wrote it wrote the music. I mean, it's pretty brilliant. I hope it's successful, you know? Yeah, but I'm a part of it. Yeah, it's crazy. You just brought it to my attention. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

so that should be coming out. And then last thing I always like to end with a charity or cause is there something a charity or cause that you've worked with in the past that you want to give a quick shout out to before we wrap up here?

Stephen Pearcy:

Oh, any anything cancer? Okay. Yeah, no charities and and the animals leave the animals alone will be cool.

Chuck Shute:

Sounds good to me. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Steven. I appreciate your time.

Stephen Pearcy:

Yeah, and and thank you very much again, you want to check it out. Go to official Steven piercey comm there's everything grad bastard. There's rad there shows that and we're just getting the kickstand up getting ready to ride. So we'll see what happened. It's all good. Yeah, and yeah, keep in touch man. I'll get some swag to you or something. Oh, Email krisztian. And give us an address and we'll send you some shifts and giggles.

Chuck Shute:

Awesome. That'd be amazing. Thank you so much, Steven.

Stephen Pearcy:

No problem, brother. All right. No one this comes out. Absolutely. I will tidy it up. Don't make me look too much like a stooge.

Chuck Shute:

No, I just don't fix myself. You're fine. All right, brother. Thanks so much. Alright, see you later. Bye. Bye. So there it is Steven piercey, singer, rat, but also a solo artist, and author and actor. It's done all sorts of stuff. So make sure to check out his website in the show notes. And make sure to follow him on social media to keep up with what he's doing. I'd love for you to follow me on social media as well. your likes, shares and comments helped me immensely. And if you want to go that extra mile, I'd love for you to write me a review on Apple podcasts or wherever you listen. And if you enjoyed this episode, check out some of my other episodes have had Joey and Eric from warrant on the show Steve Stevens Rachel Boland from Skid Row, Donnie and chip from enough's enough. Lots of great episodes out there. And make sure to subscribe to the show wherever you listen, so that you don't miss any future episodes. I've got some great guests lined up. And I don't think you're gonna want to miss these. So make sure to subscribe. Thank you all for your support. Have a great day. And remember to shoot for the moon.