Billy Harfosh (Show Up Arizona, ex iHeart Radio)

Billy Harfosh is the former producer of the Beth & Friends radio show and is the current host of Show Up Arizona.  In this episode we discuss his interviews with Jake Paul & Eva Longoria, the secret to true happiness, the future of America and so much more! 

0:00:00 - Intro 
0:00:13 - Life Changes 
0:09:20 - True Happiness  
0:12:20 - How Grief Changes Us 
0:15:50 - Eva Longoria 
0:19:40 - Jake Paul 
0:23:08 - Staring To Pay Attention 
0:29:25 - Corporate America & Super PACs 
0:33:30 - Wars & Money 
0:39:12 - Rebuilding America, Homeless & Drugs 
0:44:40 - Americans Struggling & Purpose 
0:49:00 - Negative Politicians & Far Right 
0:56:05 - RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard & Partisan Issues 
1:04:05 - Future Predictions of the Presidency 
1:12:00 - Seeing How the Sausage is Made 
1:17:10 - Billy's New Show 
1:22:30 - Outro 

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Transcript

Chuck Shute: 0:13

Welcome back to the show for the third time, technically, because we did an episode, and then you were a guest on one of my urine show. So this is actually the third time going, it's cool.

Billy Harfosh: 0:24

Happy to be back, Chuck, shoot. And also congratulations, man. I mean, I remember when you were first getting the podcast rolling, and just, it's a credit to your talent to your charisma and most importantly, longevity, I mean, in this business, you just have to keep creating, you have to keep grinding, as you know, and there's stops and starts and roller coasters along the way. But you've, you've kept the show going and very successful. So I know what that looks like. And it's not an easy thing. So Congrats, buddy. Thank you. Yeah, well, I'm still trying to get to the point. I want to be out trying to get 100,000 subscribers, which, I don't know if that's gonna happen. But yeah, I'm trying but I mean, speaking of, you know, twists and turns and, and roller coasters, I mean, it seems like you know, your life has kind of taken a little bit of a roller coaster. I think last time I saw you, you're, you're living down the street with a girl and you're working at I hurt and now you've moved, you're single, not working for I hurt. So what happened? What What can now I'm living down the street without a girl. Without without talking about specifics and stuff. You know, I'm no longer as of this conversation as of this moment, part of the mainstream media. So you talk about 100,000 subscribers, maybe after this interview, you'll get that 100,000 mark, because we're going to drop some bombshells today. And I'm not afraid to talk about what's really going on. And I'm talking about what's really going on in in Arizona at the state capitol, and in Washington, DC, the chains are off, so to speak, there's no more handcuffs. There's a lot happening in our country and in our world that quite frankly, people in mainstream media are afraid or probably better stated, not allowed to talk about because of advertisers because of executives because of audience pushback and all that. But when you're in a position that I'm in now doing a show independently and doing another show independently, that we'll talk about later. Now, it's like, oh, my gosh, I am free, I can I can finally take a deep breath, I can finally talk about what I want to talk about, I can finally share my true beliefs, ask the questions that are actually relevant, as opposed to just toeing the party lines all the time and just kind of asking what was on the the initial press release email and that kind of BS. So yeah, the gloves are off. And I'm happy to be a free man in the media these days. Wow,

Chuck Shute: 2:58

that is awesome. Well, I definitely want to get to that stuff. So let's tease the juicy stuff. But I do want to just talk give my audience a little bit of an update to on just your own life. When I had you on the first time, we talked about your history, and you know how you used to work in the corporate world. And then you got burned out with that. And then you moved to Thailand, and then the episode of House Hunters. And then that was kind of your first taste of being in front of the camera and the microphone. And then you still did did that radio show in Barcelona. I mean, your life has kind of been all over. It's exciting. And now it's kind of changing again, it

Billy Harfosh: 3:30

is and yeah, you're right, I was in the corporate world, you know, I'm a kid from Central New York, Syracuse, New York, I went away to college, and in a lot of young people, in my in my position, you know, a college graduate, the big goal was to work in Manhattan, and be on the 46th floor and have an office and, and to wear a suit every day and to ride the subway and, and I had a taste of that. And I realized that it wasn't for me, I realized that I didn't want to be some sort of a an account executive pushing around, you know, pressing buttons on Excel spreadsheets and making meetings about meetings about the last meetings and following up. And it's a moot point. And we'll circle back and all that kind of stuff. So

Chuck Shute: 4:12

that was the one that we talked about last time that you're like, if I have to your circle back one more time. If

Billy Harfosh: 4:18

I get an email, and it starts with well, we'll circle back on this later. I just delete it. Like I don't want to do business. So it just the corporate world. It's a necessary evil, it's necessary poison. In our country. We all know what makes the wheels turn, what makes this country work, what makes the world work, but I just got sick of the corporate world and I had to admit to myself, and this has been a theme of, of a lot of the conversations and interviews I've been doing lately is admitting to yourself, who you are. And you know, there's a saying, if someone shows you who they are, then you should believe them. Well, if you show yourself internally who you are, you should believe yourself. And if you're not some corporate guy that It wants to push numbers around and climb the ladder and be in the rat race and be like a rat in a cage, then, damn it don't be. Don't be if you don't want to get married and have two kids and a Labrador Retriever in a beautiful house with a white picket fence and a John Deere tractor, then don't be that. If that's you, that's fine. But if it's not, you don't pretend to be somebody that society is trying to push you towards. I guess that's that's my that's my message.

Chuck Shute: 5:26

Isn't it a? Was it from the hopefully I don't get flagged for misinformation for this, but I wasn't Hamlet, in The Hamlet play that line to thine own self be true? Yes, of course it was. I have no. Okay. And then the line that you said to you the quote you just said, I think that again, don't fight me for misinformation. But I believe it's my Angelou that says, Angela that said, when people show you who they are, who they really are, believe them. And that is that is a great quote, because I think there's times where you try to deny that like people in abusive relationships and things, I think this is very common, like, you know, that the people act abusive, and then the boyfriend or girlfriend is trying to make make excuses for them. No, no, no, they just didn't meet. No, they're showing you who they are. Right. And so believe it and you're saying that, but that goes true for yourself as well that, you know, if this is not who you really are, then you know, you gotta be true to yourself. So leave yourself

Billy Harfosh: 6:18

I mean, we all have multiple, I might have more than more than others, admittedly, but we all have multiple voices in our head, right? We all have the person we project to be. I mean, you have another dimension, because you're also public, you know, right, you do a show. But we all have who we present ourselves to be in public, who we present ourselves to, to our family and friends. And then we have this other guy, this other woman inside who is our, the person that we have conversations with, with ourselves, if that makes sense. Sure. And my point is, we might not be able to act and live according to that voice. 1,000%. But if we can do it a little bit more, and if we can recognize who that person is, and that's my true self. That's Chuck's true self, Sara's true self, Johnny's true self who, who's ever listening to this, act on that voice a little bit more lean into that a little bit more, because I think that that's where happiness comes from. I think that's where the true happiness comes from, not from what society or your family or your wife or your husband wants you to do. But be a little selfish. Goddamnit be a little selfish, do what you want to do once in a while. That's, that's sort of what I lean into. And it's, you know, not everybody can do that. Some people are stuck, I talked about this all the time. Some people, you know, they gotta keep contributing to that 401k, they need that health insurance, they need all kinds of guard rails, and they want to live in a nerf world. That's okay, they got kids, they have responsibilities. But damn it, there's a voice in there that wants you to travel, there's a voice in there that wants you to quit your job and be an entrepreneur and take that risk. There's a voice in there that you know, wants you to finally start that fashion brand, or that podcast or write that novel or that screenplay, lean into that a little bit, figure out how you can do that. And I think ultimately, we're all going to be on our deathbed. You've heard it, you've heard me say it a million times, Chuck, we only have got we only have one life to live here. So at some point, we only have one shot, one roll the dice. So what the hell are you doing with that shot?

Chuck Shute: 8:27

Oh, that's exactly right. Well said. And I think it all ties together to with I mean, you say being selfish, but I think if you're seeking your own happiness, that should align with your purpose and your why as to why you're doing that, and why these things make you happy. And when you're happy and you're fulfilling your purpose, like that's going to spread out into the world. Like if you go into a restaurant, and you have lunch and you're you're feeling you know, you're living your dream and you're happy, like you're gonna tip that waitress more that's gonna make her day better, then she's gonna go home be like, Hey, I got a really good tip. I'm in a good mood. Like, let me make dinner for you, honey, like the boyfriend or whatever, like not to be sexist. It could be a man making dinner for his wife. But you know what I'm saying? Like you're spreading the joy, you're spreading, you know, happiness to other people.

Billy Harfosh: 9:10

I agree with that. And I think, you know, scratch each other's backs. And if you're a happy person, of course, you spread that out into the world. Now, I would I would look at it like this though. Sometimes I do get a little bit negative on this topic, but I like to be shocking and be extreme to wake people up because I have to be shocking and extreme in my own head to wake my own ass up. And I look at it like this. I don't condone alcohol use. But have you ever gotten like really drunk with somebody like somebody that you thought had it all together? They've just got this beautiful life. You know, they drive a BMW. They've got a nice house. They've got a sexy wife. They just seem to have it all together. Right? They went on a cruise to the Bahamas last year. It's just like you see them on Instagram or Facebook. You're like, oh my god, this guy. If I could be like temporary None of that guy would be a success in America. And then you get real hammered with him one night, and you get real drunk. And it gets real weird. And you finally hear Bob story. And you finally hear about the hardships, you finally hear about the depression, you finally hear about the medication he's on, you finally hear about how his wife has got him in debt up to his ears with credit cards, you finally hear about how his kids are failing in school or whatever the whatever it is. So whatever they put out there into the world, and project isn't necessarily the truth. And then the end of the night, you finally start hearing from Bob's second voice, his real voice internally, and you finally get to the truth of it, that Bob is not leading the life that he wished he could. And Bob is stuck. I can use another word, but I want Bob is stuck. Where I don't care because Bob is fucked. Because Bob has made decisions along the way that he thought were the right decisions. He thought it was right to take the corporate job. He thought it was right to sign that contract. He thought it was right to get married. He thought it was right to have two kids. He thought it was right to get a mortgage and a percent. But now Bob's fucked because he can't live the life he wants to lead. So I just I'm trying to speak to younger, a froze. People in any war. Listen to your conscience. Because that that voice is going to tell you your own truth.

Chuck Shute: 11:36

You froze up for a second. Oh, everything okay?

Billy Harfosh: 11:43

We get Yeah. Okay.

Chuck Shute: 11:45

I think it's better and I'm good. Yep. It just froze up for a second. Hopefully that was a temporary. So just lean

Billy Harfosh: 11:51

into that. Listen. So my message is just to lean into that. Make sure you're listening to your own voice. Don't always listen to Americans voice to cultures, voice to Taylor Swift to whoever you follow. Listen to yourself, listen to yourself. And then that's where real truth and happiness comes from.

Chuck Shute: 12:09

Yeah. And I mean, because I think that one of the things that for me, at least kind of wakes you up sometimes to that is when somebody close to you dies. And you experienced that recently, your brother passed away a year and a half very young, your younger brother, right? It was like cancer. I mean, what happened though, it's just so random that so I mean, it sounds like it wasn't like, you know, when people younger people die, it's usually an accident, like a drug overdose, a car accident. I mean, this was cancer and someone in their 30s This is crazy.

Billy Harfosh: 12:40

You know, and actually, as a, as an interview show host, I applaud you for bringing that up, because a lot of people don't want to bring certain things. Yeah. You know, the truth is, you talked about a change in my relationship status, a change in my job status, a lot of different due to the death of my brother. And that was because of I always said this thing at the end of my shows, and I would preach to all my friends. You've only got one life to live. We're doing it right now, in that moment. It's right now this is you know, 24 It's our last time ever to live January 2024. We have to do something. Just one, one, roll the dice, man. And I would always say that I would say one life one life life. And then all of a sudden, I realized that I was full of shit. Because I wasn't living my one life. I thought I was but I really wasn't until I experienced the death of a brother. And then I realized, oh my gosh, you know, this thing is very fragile. this thing we call life. You know, I always thought oh, I could get it in by the time I'm 70 I'll get it all and Well, shit. I'm older. I'm 38. Now he died at 35. So you know, the clock is ticking boys and girls, the clock is ticking. So think that of just talking about it, you got to be about it. Who's Jimmy Johnson, right? You're gonna walk the walk, you got to talk. If you're gonna talk the talk, you got to walk the walk. And that's what we have to do. We have to actually listen to that second voice in our head and start acting on that. Because when you experience the death and when you experience grief, and you experience somebody in your family or close friend that has passed away, especially young, you all of a sudden realize that you're also going to die. You're also gonna die. I don't know when I don't know when you're gonna die. Chuck. I don't know when I'm gonna die. But I do know one thing is gonna happen. It's gonna happen for sure. So if you wake up every day and put your feet on the ground while you're brushing your teeth, and you just say to yourself, oh, man, I hope it's not my last day but if it is, I'm going to go hard today. I'm going to make someone happy. I'm going to be kind. I'm going to hug and kiss the ones I love. I'm going to go I make a nice meal, I'm going to plan a trip, whatever that is. Do those things more often? Because, like I said, Man, we're all going to be on our deathbed someday. We're all going to be there. That's the only thing. It's taxes and death, baby. That's the only two things we know for sure. And I don't like taxes, and I don't like death. But if they're inevitable, then you better get your ass prepared. Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 15:22

absolutely. Yeah. So I mean, it's just yeah, I think you know, things like that. Sometimes, uh, you know, try to find a purpose or a reason for for terrible tragedies like that. And sometimes I think that's the reason for it is kind of wake us up, like you said, like, wake your own head up and go, Hey, this is what I need to do. But, I mean, I will say to that some of the things that you've done, you know, even from when you left your first corporate job and start working for radio, you've done some great stuff. You've interviewed some amazing guests, Jeremy pivot and Jake Paul, and Shaq and Rob Schneider. Talk about drinking tequila with Eva Longoria.

Billy Harfosh: 16:00

Well, from what I can remember. And Gloria is awesome. She is such a cool woman. A lot of these people, as you know, Chuck, like, they're just humans, they're just people like us. But they have a media base. And then they have a public in person face when you meet them. And then they have a whole nother face of the type of human they really are behind the scenes. The sense I got with missing Gloria is that she only has one face and one personality. And that's just a cool badass chick. And a girl that probably can drink more tequila than I can in one sitting, which is really awesome. She's just a really, you know, a lot of people you meet like, okay, so someone's been on a reality show, or they're an actress or they, they're really beautiful. And they've been a model. What I realize is, a lot of the times is they're really smart. They're really business savvy. They're not just there because they're beautiful, or because they can sing or because they can act. There's a lot of beautiful people in this world. There's a lot of people that can sing. There's a i, there was a singer I live in Old Town Scottsdale, on this bridge over here the other day that I was like, how was that dude not signed to a label? Probably because he's a shitty business person. He doesn't know how to make connections or relationships. Right? That's the difference between him and Elton John, who knows how to make relationships and knows how to build a career knows how to invest in himself and put people around him. So for a lot of these people, you don't you mentioned GLORIA And Shaq and Jeremy Piven. They're just smart. They're smooth operators. Of course, they're talented. Don't get me wrong. But they're just smart people. You know, Shaq wouldn't be Shaq, Shaq would be a great basketball player. He's a big dude, seven foot, the whole thing. But he's Shaquille O'Neal. He's Shaq. He's a, he's a legend forever, because of what he's done off the court. That's why he's a legend. Because he's an American icon, because of what he's done off the court because he's really smart. And it's the same as in Korea. Whether it's beauty products, or tequila products, or her travels show on CNN and all of this stuff. It's because she's really smart. She hustles she works hard, and she gets it. And it is the game. She knows how to play the game. And a lot of people just don't know how. Yeah, I

Chuck Shute: 18:17

don't know how I'm trying to learn. It's hard. I mean, it's I feel like a lot of it is trial and error. And you talk about like the singer that, you know, he doesn't know how to play the game. But I think that's okay. I think there's a lot of musicians and actors and people who don't know, but they have a manager or somebody else that does it for them.

Billy Harfosh: 18:34

That's part of making the right relationships, that's part of answering emails and following up and making sure the right guy or gal is in your corner, making sure you're surrounding yourself around the same type of people that you want to be like, but I don't think it's okay for the guy sitting out in the cold with a, you know, gloves on their cut off at the fingertips so he can play his guitar. He's freezing his butt off out there. He's got an amazing voice. He just doesn't know how to play the game. Or maybe he's got a substance abuse issue. Or maybe he has going back to you know, maybe he's got kids at home that he has to feed and he can't travel to LA and go try to get a record deal or go to New York. Maybe he can't do that. He can't live out of his car. Maybe he has responsibilities. I don't know their stories. All I know is the difference between someone that's a multi gazillionaire and ultra successful is not just talent and beauty. It's relationships. It's business, and it's knowing how to play the game. Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 19:32

well, and what about Jake Paul? I know he's definitely hit 100,000 subscribers on YouTube a long time ago. He's one of the biggest YouTubers you interviewed him right?

Billy Harfosh: 19:40

He he's the best. I'm glad you brought up Jake he's the best example of what we're talking about. I know a million dudes back east that are big burly guys. That can throw a punch that are that have got a chin that are handsome that could do what Jake Paul has done. I only know one Jake Paul. I only know one guy AI that knows how to look you in the eye that knows how to shake your hand. It knows how to be in a room with influencers, doing shots of patrol, and also being a room of billionaire executives selling himself to Disney. This guy knows how to play the game. He is the game, whether it's sports, whether it's gambling, whether it's TV, whether it's being a, some kind of a troll online, he knows how to play the game. And when you're around Jake, Paul, you realize that he has a team. He has an entourage, he's got multiple publicists. He's got security. He's got his boys, but they all have a purpose. They're not just they're collecting a paycheck. They're all have a purpose. And that purpose is Team Jake Paul, prop him up. And a lot of you know the tape brothers as well, Jake and, and his brother, they sort of feed off each other. So they sort of have whether one's dominant, the other is dominant, the same the tape brothers, love them or hate them business wise genius, what they've done because we all know their name, right? Are you talking about your Andrew Tate or Yeah, yeah. And they play off each other. And these people, whether it's the taste or the pulse, they have teams around them. And they know the game. Jake, Paul's not a jerk. You know, many people said, I don't know, why would you interview that jerk? He's such a jerk. Look what he wrote online. He's not a jerk. He's just, there's a reason you know his name. And he knows how to play the game online. And sometimes that means being a troll. Sometimes that means being controversial. And sometimes that means being able to sit down at a $500 a plate dinner, and selling yourself to executives and getting angel investors. He can do all of that. Not just taking a punch, not just being goofy, not just being a handsome guy that girls like, he can do all of that man. He's a business executive, and an influencer and a boxer, a world class athlete. And he's one of the nicest guys I've ever had the pleasure of hanging out with.

Chuck Shute: 21:59

Was he the one that raided our mall? Or was it his brother?

Billy Harfosh: 22:03

I believe that was him. Allegedly. Allegedly. Oh, so he hasn't

Chuck Shute: 22:07

admitted it or whatever. But I

Billy Harfosh: 22:08

think he has I think he has Yeah, so what was

Chuck Shute: 22:11

that a calculated business move, because that kind of pissed me off.

Billy Harfosh: 22:15

That was absolutely calculated number one. Number two, he if you remember back to that, and you're referring to the Fashion Square Mall in Scottsdale during the BLM riots when they smashed windows, and they went in and they were, you know, writing and raiding the stores or whatever they were doing? Yeah, he went in. He was live streaming it. Of course, that's calculated. Because guess what, people hated him for that. But I'll tell you what, I know. 15 people personally that never heard the name Jake. Paul, then I went into work the next day, guess what, they all know who Jake Paul was. And they still do. And now they buy his fights. And now they root for him to lose. So that's in my small circle. How many hundreds of 1000s of people before he livestream that knew who he was, didn't know who he was that? No. Now, of course, it's calculated, right? Any publicity is good publicity.

Chuck Shute: 23:07

Well, it's so crazy, because I think that was definitely one of the moments where I started to get involved with the news and the world, and politics and all that stuff. I never really paid attention to the news. I mean, I knew like the basic things, I watched, like, you know, the presidential debates every four years or whatever, but I did not have the level of interest in that kind of stuff as I do now. And I remember a lot of it to was started, it was on my birthday. In 2020. It was like we were out, I was hanging out with you. And it was on my birthday. And you said, I think we're going to I think they're going to lock down the country. I think they're going to that's what they're doing in Italy. And that's what they're doing over here. And I think they're going to lock things down. And you're not this might be the last time we hang out for a long time. And I was like, I was thinking in my head. I was like, I don't know might be okay to lock down for like a couple weeks or something. I had no idea it was gonna be months and months and months. I mean, it really just changed. So many things. Like I don't know if you say that, like I woke up or not. But I felt like I woke up I started paying attention to the news. What was going on? I mean, did that have that kind of impact for you, or you were already kind of into the politics and stuff.

Billy Harfosh: 24:16

I was already into it. But I you know, I kind of knew how the game is played and how this works. And you never let a good tragedy go to waste. That's the way these politicians think. And I'm not talking about either side. I'm talking about all sides. You never let a good tragedy go to waste. So, you know, a good old fashioned emergency will hell what can we get out of this? That's the way they look at it. And you know, I was talking about, I remember, you know, when, when Vice President Pence flew in Sky Harbor Airport, I was at his press conference. I was sitting right there. Front row, I got the first question. He was there with Dr. Burks. I got then Governor Ducey. I got the first question. This was before anyone was talking about a vaccine mean that we were going to make a vaccine or, you know, all that stuff? And I asked him, I said, if there's a vaccine for this thing, how the heck are you going to sell this to the American people? How are you going to ensure that it's safe? A mass scale hundreds of millions of people vaccine, let alone the whole world? How are you going to sell this? If this is really what you need to stop this pandemic? And you just saw the little twinkle in Governor Ducey his eye, and you saw the little mannerism, the little wick of a wrist in an elbow of pence, because he knew that I was getting to the conversations they were having privately, Project warp speed, we're gonna have this damn vaccine. How are we going to sell this to the American people?

Chuck Shute: 25:48

But anyways, yeah, so you know, just the politics. I mean, the world I feel like the world has been crazy, like it progressively has gotten crazier and crazier. And I mean, you can blame the Republicans or the Democrats or whatever, this politician or that politician, but I feel like just the scope of the world has changed a lot in this country, and probably worldwide in the last five to 10 years more drastically than anything in our lifetime.

Billy Harfosh: 26:16

It has gotten crazier and crazier. Now, I don't blame Democrats, I don't blame Republicans, I think that there is a an obvious, deep state, there is an obvious cabal or Illuminati or elites, I don't care how you want to label these people, but they're out there. They're, they're pulling the strings. They're puppet masters. They are the ones that are making the decisions about the future of the world. And unfortunately, it's not always our elected officials. It's not always your local Congresswoman or congressman or senator. It is actually people in Washington that are very, very, very powerful. And I think if you paid attention to the leaked audio, that Kerry Lake exposed this week, actually, Chuck, you'll see that, you know, there's the former head of the Republican Party of Arizona, trying to bribe a candidate to just go away for a couple of years. I mean, what the hell is that? And who are these powerful people, quote, unquote, back east, in Washington, DC, that are bribing candidates to go away? And if that's not so bad, and if that's not illegal, what else are they doing to current elected officials, when they want something for their lobby for their gun lobby when they want a certain bill passed, when they want a certain bill to go away? What are they doing to current politicians that we voted in?

Chuck Shute: 27:41

Well, yeah, how long has this been going on? Because I feel like this stuff has probably been going on a very long time. It's just a lot harder to hide it now. Because there's cameras everywhere. There's audio everywhere. There's there's live streaming, there's Twitter, there's social media, like ever. There's so many media outlets. Everybody's a YouTuber, everybody's a podcaster everyone's spilling the beans. Everyone's doing interviews. So it's really hard to keep a secret anymore and interesting to Carrie Lake decided to record that conversation. I don't know if she knew that's what it was gonna be about. But yeah, what is your take on that whole thing? Like, why do you think she recorded that first of all, and then Who do you think are these powerful people?

Billy Harfosh: 28:21

Harry Lake records, everything. Carrie Lake is always miked up. Don't forget Carrie Lake is a former media person. Okay, number one. Number two, Carrie Lake, understands the internet, carry lakes people understand social media. Carrie Lake understands the importance of going viral. Carrie Lake understands the importance of walking off Australia. 60 Minutes interview. She understands the importance of calling CNN fake news. When she has a mic on her. That's perfect audio. Carrie Lake is always miked up. So for Jeff, to wit, the former head of the GOP who has since resigned, for him to not at least have an inkling into that if I do then he definitely should. I don't care if it's in our personal home, I don't care where the conversations taking place. She's always miked up. And there's a reason for that because now you're gonna see what happened, what she exposed to your second question, Who are these people? You can listen to my latest episode of my show, show up Arizona with Billy Hart fosh. And I interviewed Kevin Jackson, who's a former Fox News contributor. And he knows these people, he knows all the inner workings the machine and Washington. My opinion is its corporate America. Its mainstream media, and its career politicians and all these people know each other. They run the super PACs. They run the lobbyists, and they own our country. They own our country and I think people from both parties and independents alike I need to let that sink in. There are powerful people that own us, in a sense, because they're making our laws. They're telling us what we can and we can't do. It's not just the people we elected, those people are being clearly being influenced. And from the conversations, I've had some public some private in the last 48 to 72 hours, I now realize that the swamp goes much deeper than I had thought, even a couple days ago, much deeper, and it's much darker. And it's much more murky, and it's downright dangerous. It's dangerous. Well, yeah,

Chuck Shute: 30:36

I think I see I don't understand all the laws and how corporations get around the monopoly laws like I don't let's take for instance, BlackRock. I mean, that's a company that probably most people have not heard of that people know, Microsoft, people know, Amazon. But I don't think a lot of people understand how much of the world of our country is owned by BlackRock and the CEO, Larry Fink. And if you look at his, you know, political alignment, and how the country has changed, and how much BlackRock, how much they've grown and how much power they've gained. I mean, they own so many different, they have their hands in so many different kinds of businesses, and now they're trying to do owning houses, they're trying to own residential homes, it's going to be hard to for younger people, especially to own a home because companies, corporations like BlackRock, they're buying up the homes, and then they're going to rent it out. And I mean, people talk about like, oh, democratic, socialism and things like, you know, Switzerland and those kinds of countries, a lot of those countries, people do not own a house, like they're slaves to the bank, and they have to pay loans to the bank for their house, their car, and printing, but they never end up owning things. Where in America used to be Yeah, you, you know, you pay your mortgage for 30 years, but then you'd own the house. But I mean, the way things are going, it's like, no one's gonna be able to buy a house because black rocks are gonna come in, and they're gonna outbid you.

Billy Harfosh: 31:59

Is in Black Rock. Isn't Maderna, Pfizer, Johnson and Johnson, Microsoft, Google, aren't they just another wing of the federal government? In a sense, like, we have another branch of government now in 2024. And it's the corporate wing. It's the corporate branch. You know, these people, these people, via Super PACs, they donate to campaigns, they get people elected, they get people thrown out of office, because they're not pushing the proper policies that they agree with. So you bring up BlackRock, Blackrock is just the United States government. They're so powerful, they control so much money, that they might be more powerful than the United States government. I didn't even you know, we don't have to go there. Because there's a lot of things happening in the world. But, you know, do some reading on the military industrial complex, do some reading on Halliburton, do some reading on some of those companies. And then you can start tying that into some of the wars in history. Now, I'm not talking. I'm not relating that to what's happening in Gaza and Israel, or, you know, the Russia, Ukraine, war, as well. But there is some truth to these companies, these corporations being in bed with the government, whether it's the military, arms, what manufacturers, whether it's pharmaceuticals, whether it's real estate, whether it's Wall Street, they're just another wing of the United States government, Chuck, that's all it is people,

Chuck Shute: 33:28

you know, it's not like when we give the money to Ukraine, or you hear this like, or we gave another 20 billion to Ukraine or whatever, it's not like we're just giving them a check. And then they just use it to rebuild or whatever. Like, that's basically filtered money that goes through our military companies, right. I mean, are we providing the weapons and stuff? And so like, yeah, the the military companies in the US are getting that money and then sending the equipment and things to Ukraine. Am I wrong on that? You're

Billy Harfosh: 33:58

correct. In a sense. Yeah. It's not like we're just dropping piles of cash or just giving them blank check. Yeah, in a sense, it's being funneled through American corporations. So they're back.

Chuck Shute: 34:08

That's a good word for yeah, that's, that's what's happening right there.

Billy Harfosh: 34:11

Back is getting scratched. But we saw what happened in Afghanistan, with our equipment in our military near arms there. What happens? God forbid, forbid. You see right now this morning, I was watching Korean jump here there. What happens if the funding for Ukraine dries up from NATO and from the United States most importantly, and God forbid, Ukraine loses that war? But what happens to all those arms? What happens to all of that money? What happens to the missiles and the ammunition and the infrastructure and everything that we've given them? What happens if Ukraine loses that war in Russia saved at all did the same thing that happened in Afghanistan with our withdrawal? Nobody wants to think ahead. You know, it's just like what's happening in Gaza right now? Well, well, Okay, we understand there was a terrible terrorist attack on October 7, we get it, we're going to support our strongest historical ally, Israel. But then what? Then what? What do you do with those people? What is Gaza become? What do you do with the Palestinian? Like there was? No, it's like an even even Kirby they asked him like a couple days after. Okay, so is it going to be a two state solution? Is Israel given control is going to be some kind of a global military occupation of these people in this land? Well, it's too early to tell, okay. Really, you don't have any kind of plan? You haven't thought this out? Like if shit were gonna hit the fan over there? Once again, you know, what is this? What's going to be agreed upon to deal with these people to help these people? None of the other Arab nations, you don't see Egypt? You don't see Jordan, you don't see any of those countries opening their beautiful doors to these people. So there's no solution. There's there's never a solution. Why? Because a lot of these people want it to prolong they want to keep it going. Why hasn't President Biden gotten on Air Force One, flown right into Moscow, locked himself in a room with Putin said, listen, enough, enough death, enough destruction? I understand we got problems with NATO, we came too close. Well, you've done this, you invaded a democratic country, we're going to lock ourselves in this room until we get a solution. Now, maybe that's a little extreme, but I'm just saying, what about a little bit of peace? How about some, some talking about some, some sort of getting these people in a room and sitting down and hashing this out instead of just more weapons, more checks, more death, more destruction? It makes you wonder, it makes you wonder diplomacy, diplomacy, should be first should always be first. Right. Right now, I

Chuck Shute: 36:57

think most Americans are getting sick of this. They're getting sick of this another war, a proxy war, whatever you want to call it, we're, you know, like, we're funding these the these wars, you know, maybe wouldn't have American soldiers there. But we're giving money. And we have a lot of issues here. I mean, that's what I'm more worried about our country. There's a lot of countries that are struggling. And not just these aren't the only wars going on in the world. I mean, there's wars in Africa that nobody talks about, that have been going on, that are probably much more barbaric and graphic. And those are just not getting the press or whatever. But we're not helping the

Billy Harfosh: 37:30

wars in our cities. When's the last time you've been to Baltimore? When's the last time you've been to Chicago or Detroit

Chuck Shute: 37:36

on the street, go to downtown Phoenix drive down. Where I live on Thomas Road, if I keep going west far enough. I mean, it looks like a war zone down there. I mean, there's just like chaos. And there's zombies.

Billy Harfosh: 37:48

They got they got they got zombies. They got needles coming out of their damn arms. There's wars on our own streets. Yeah. You know, and just real quick on the international thing. Why does it seem and this is a question that I would pose to you and to your audience. If you're going to come back, you know, hit me for what I'm going to say. I'm just a simple question. Why does it seem like diplomacy is on the backburner. In all of these situations? I'm speaking on international policy. Why does it seem like diplomacy is on the backburner? Ask yourself that because it doesn't make any money? I didn't. I just asked the question. I think that's my that's my

Chuck Shute: 38:27

opinion. I mean, I just feel like there's no money to be made. With diplomacy. There is money to be made with war. There's a lot of money to be made. Those come some companies got very wealthy after September 11. When we went to the Middle East. Some of these companies that make weapons, they did very well, after that, oh,

Billy Harfosh: 38:48

they're already lining up in Washington. They're already starting shell companies to rebuild Ukraine. That's already happening. And that's factual. That's not just that's factual. There's people that are already what do you think they did in Iraq? You know, many people make gazillions of dollars in Iraq, Americans, companies, because they went over there to rebuild Iraq. They're doing the same thing in Ukraine. Yeah, they're already lining up.

Chuck Shute: 39:11

It's sad, because like you said, I would love to rebuild America. I feel like it's falling apart. I'll never forget to I mean, this was before. Again, I really got in involved in the politics and stuff. But I do remember the first time I went back home to my, where I'm from and Seattle, and I was driving to a Seahawks game and I looked over and I saw these like blue tarps. And I thought I thought there was like a, an event going on like a pharaoh or something. And it was like, No, these are just homeless encampments, which was not a word 10 years ago, if somebody said, Hey, you see that homeless encampment, you'd be like, What are you talking about? And now they're, they're not just in Seattle, now. They're in Phoenix. They're everywhere. They're almost every major city and even into the suburbs. Like when I was living in North Phoenix, there was some homeless people that camped out in front, just across the street from my house. I was like, and that's when I decided to move out of North Phoenix, but I mean, it's in. It's even in Scottsdale, it's down the street, I see people, homeless people pushing their shopping cart. I mean, it's a crisis here. I don't know 100% what the solution is, but I feel like it's shouldn't be like our number one of our number one, top five, at least top three biggest issues we should be dealing with.

Billy Harfosh: 40:20

I mean, maybe shave just a little bit of our military budget, or our green energy initiatives, and just take a little bit of cash and put it into American cities and rural communities.

Chuck Shute: 40:34

So like, there's already money going, I don't think money is the issue. Because I mean, if I interviewed a guy, you should have him on actually aren't Castro, he, he does a channel it's called Lawson, Phoenix on YouTube. It's got a ton of subscribers, and he interviews all these homeless and you can watch the interviews. It's just interviews with homeless kids. And there's tons of them and they're almost all the same. They're all addicted to fentanyl, a majority majority are addicted to fentanyl, or some sort of drug similar to heroin, something you know, they call doing blues, which I again, five years ago, I would have said like the blues like the music No, these are blues are blue pills. They're fentanyl pills. And they're really cheap. And they get addicted and they want to live on the street. I mean, it's not like, yeah, I guess you could you could buy housing and put them in a house, but they're still going to do the fentanyl pills. So that doesn't really solve the problem to meet. To me, it's like, I think you got to kind of unfortunately, tough love, you got to crack the whip. And you got to start cracking down on the drugs like not just people dealing but the people using and saying, you can't use fentanyl and just piss your life away into the toilet, you're gonna go to jail, you're gonna get cleaned up. We care about you, we actually care about you. We do not want you to piss your life away. We're not going to enable you we're not going to pass out free crack pipes and all this shit. And Frick clean needles and stuff. No, we're gonna say you're not allowed to do drugs, hard drugs. I mean, yeah, marijuana is legal. Alcohol is legal in America. And I think people can use those responsibly, I don't think you can use fentanyl responsibly. Call me call me for right. But that's my opinion.

Billy Harfosh: 42:05

No, I agree with you. Look, there's a lot of problems in our country, and we didn't even get into mental health issues and socio economic issues. And, and also, you know, we're a big country, you know, I've traveled a lot, and you don't see the things that we have the problems we have in places, you know, in Europe and stuff as much. Because we're a big country, when you have a huge, huge, hundreds of millions of people sample size, you're gonna get some incredible creative, world changing types. And then you're gonna have another percentage of the population that unfortunately is on the streets addicted to drugs, and has fallen through the cracks. And it's a sad thing. We're a wild lot, man. We're wild people look at our history. We came over on boats for we didn't even know we were going, you know, for dreams and hopes and dreams and all kinds of stuff we didn't know. So wild people, those are our descendants. True.

Chuck Shute: 42:58

But I mean, in my lifetime, even I feel like it's changed drastically. I mean, yeah, we always had homeless people. I remember going to Seahawks games as a kid and, and there'd be a homeless guy. You know, like, I remember there was one guy that would like play the tuba, like after Seahawks games, I think they call them I think his name was Superman. He was like a homeless guy. And everybody loved him played the tube. I mean, he might have had an alcohol issue, I don't know. But like, you did not see these just rows and rows of homeless encampments. And nobody doing anything about it. I mean, that just didn't exist. Point, even probably 1015 years ago, it did not exist. And it seems like it's growing. I mean, at what point do we say, Wow, this is a problem, we actually need to do something.

Billy Harfosh: 43:40

It's a major problem. And unfortunately, with issues like this, Chuck, there's there's no great answer. If there was an easy solution, we'd already have it. I mean, I mentioned the finances, throwing money at it for resources. But you know, you're right. I mean, you're right. You can't throw money at everything. And that hasn't worked. Look at how much money California has put into it. Billions of dollars with a B, and they have one of the worst problems in the whole country. So the homeless is a problem. The border is a problem, the crime, the gun violence in our cities, the mass shootings, we have a lot of problems in this country. And I just you know, I'm not an isolationist. But I'm becoming more and more someone politically speaking. Let's figure out our problems in our backyard before we start exporting all kinds of money and solutions.

Chuck Shute: 44:32

And I think that there's definitely the problems in our backyard and I'll speak of my experience working in the schools because I worked in the schools I was a counselor for 17 years. So I worked with a variety of families. I worked with some of the you know, the richest people that like the guy that was the guy that created a spawn and McFarlane Toys, you know, the comic book, like his kids went to the school that I worked at and so like obviously that they were doing fine their family As well off, but I worked with, you mean just people that are really struggling single lot of single parent families are really struggling, a lot of Americans are struggling and I'm just I saw it get progressively worse. And the 17 years I worked in the schools, it seemed like just kids struggling families, struggling, kids just not caring. And I think all these issues are related because I feel like it comes down to for me, I feel like everyone has a purpose in this world, right? Like, we talked about that a little bit, the beginning, you know, like, you want to be happy, you want to live your life, but also like, you should have a purpose that serves not only yourself, but the world, the greater good, you know that and, and when you're just trying to live your life just for yourself to be selfish. I feel like that hurts people. And then you end up getting hurt yourself, because you feel like you don't have a purpose. So you're like, Well, I guess I'll just, you know, do fentanyl pills or whatever.

Billy Harfosh: 45:53

That all sounds good. It sounds like a nice little poem and everything. But the truth is, as you know, I mean, you talk to real people and real young people that are lost, and they're in bad family situations and bad neighborhoods. Yeah. What's your purpose to the world? I mean, there's going to look at you cross eyed. I mean, it's, it's an irrelevant question. They're just trying to get their next fix. They're just trying to get their next drink their next meal, keep a roof over the head and little food on the table. And, you know, just keep on living. Not everybody has the perspective that you have. You know, and it's a sad thing. Like I said, there's some problems that do not have simple answers. And maybe there is no answer, because there's always going to be a percentage of our population here in this country, just looking at numbers, that falls through the cracks. And I agree, it's gotten worse, and it's getting worse, and the crime is getting worse. We got to do what we can do to help curb those numbers. But unfortunately, man is there's always going to be people that slipped through the cracks, and they're going to live way live the way that they choose. Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 46:57

I mean, I just feel like if that's something that I would have liked to have worked on in the schools is teaching kids a purpose, teaching them goal setting, and those kinds of things in motivational speakers. I mean, you look at like, I don't know, if I think the book behind me here with David Goggins. I mean, you look at a guy like that he's so motivating. I'm not saying everyone should be David Goggins, because he goes a little crazy. But if even if you have, you know, 10 20%, David Goggins goal setting, I want to do this, this is my purpose. You know, if we all taught kids, I mean, not every kid is going to rise to that occasion. But if we at least try to help kids, and not only kids, there's a lot of adults who got lost and fell through the cracks and got lost in the system, if we can work with those adults, and get them to figure out their purpose. I mean, there might be people who are 65 years old, who never found their purpose, but maybe they could find it at 65 and contribute something to the world. And I think if we're all doing that, then we're, we're gonna help each other out. But right now, it's just like, everyone's just going in each other's throats, and trying to take us for for themselves, and screw everybody else. And I'll screw you over. And our politicians are a great example this, you see what, look what's going on in Texas? I mean, you know that the governor of Texas is trying to protect the border Biden saying, No, you need to keep the border open. And they're fighting each other. And they both think that they're right. And they can't work together, just like you said, Biden, why is he on a plane to go over and talk to Putin try to work this out. He's not gonna try. It doesn't sound like he's trying to work things out with the governor of Texas either. So I don't know. And I'm not saying we switched presidents, it's going to be any better. You know, it just seems like this is the way of the world right now. And I don't know what's going to change it. It's not cool to like work things out and be diplomatic. It's cool to start wars. It's cool to start fights. It's cool to troll things on Twitter. It's cool to get that soundbite that says, fuck you, you son of a bit, you know, that's cool. That's gonna get the hits, trying to be nice, trying to be diplomatic, trying to make peace that doesn't sell.

Billy Harfosh: 48:55

And, you know, I'll tell you what you just said, I think is one of the major negative products of Donald Trump. I do. Because I think that this this dunking online in this, this nastiness, and this, you know, you hit me, I'll hit you 10 times harder type of mentality. I think that that has trickled down for lack of a better term, through our culture. And I think Donald Trump has done some really, really great things. I think some of his policies were actually really great. And I specifically foreign policies. And I think some of his his personality traits and the way he does business, unfortunately have trickled down through our culture not only politically speaking, but just in general man in general. It's just so nasty out there. And now all these politicians right or left, they want to be like Donald Trump. They want to show strength they want to I mean, listen, you look at Ruben Diego Ruben Gallego was running against Kerry Lake And the Senate race amongst others cinema. And he's like a liberal Donald Trump, follow him on Twitter, he swears he's this, he's that, you know, he's, he's tough, but he's gotta be tough because he's going up against a woman that's also tough. He's got to show strength. Because all of a sudden, people that aren't nasty, for some reason aren't perceived to be intelligent or strong or tough. And I think if we had a little bit more, Kumbaya, a little bit more peace and a little bit more, you know, like Kennedy would do a Reagan would do and sit down and pour the scotch and there's no cameras and no microphones and just kind of talk it out among, you know, sitting amongst a fire or something. I think that would be great for us, all of us. You know, I love talking to people that don't agree with me. You probably know a couple months ago, I had on the q&a on shaman, right? He was the guy with with the horns, and he, you know, he stormed the Capitol.

Chuck Shute: 50:59

Are you broke up? Again? Alright.

Billy Harfosh: 51:05

So as you probably know, a couple of months ago, I had on the q&a on Charmin right, this is the guy with the horns, he sort of became the face of January 6, the insurrection, he stormed the Capitol, the guy was convicted, the guy did his time. And I couldn't believe the hate that I got for sitting down and having a conversation with another American with another human. To me, I couldn't understand why that was so bad. I believe in freedom of speech. I believe he committed a crime he did the time. And you know, the way you fight bad speech is with better speech and you're able to talk to people and influence people and share your opinions instead of this canceling. And deep platforming. You know, I got in trouble for saying a while back saying that I would sit down and interview OJ Simpson, I would, because I want, I don't think he's going to admit to me whether he did or didn't commit those murders, but I would like to at least get in his head. I'd like to at least find out how you're living your life. And if you really did this, how can you still wake up in the morning? And will you ever have a come to Jesus moment later in life where you just it admit what you did and somehow make it right. I would have those conversations. I don't think there's any problem with that. Well,

Chuck Shute: 52:32

yeah. And it's interesting, because I feel like there's kind of like a discrimination against people who are conservative and the term far right. It's thrown around a lot. I think that you've been labeled for right, which I don't think you're far right. And maybe I'm going to be labeled for right just for having you on. Because I feel like you had to Kuhn on Shona. Shaman on so that must mean you're far right. And then I had you on so then I'm far right. It's like, I don't even know what that means anymore. But what is your take on FAR? Right? Because when I think of far as I think to me, that's like, Jerry Falwell. Remember that guy? Like he was like saying the Teletubby was gay and like, the people that are like really far right, like on the religious side, and that they want to control people through religion and through religious things like they would ban gay marriage, stuff like that, to me is far right. I don't know that the Q anon shaman is he would fit into that. I don't think you would fit into that. I mean, I could be wrong. Maybe they do feel that way?

Billy Harfosh: 53:28

Well, a lot of it is guilty. By association. You know, I have on the Q anon Shaman. And then I have on the sitting Secretary of State, Adrienne Fontas, who's a Democrat,

Chuck Shute: 53:42

Mark Kelly, and you've interviewed tons of Democrats to write and

Billy Harfosh: 53:46

then the next I have on a candidate for Congress, district, one, probably the most important district in the state of Arizona, a Democrat, you know. So people just pick and choose, they pick and choose, they say, Oh, well, you're having on this person, but not this person. Now, that's not true. And you know what, to be truthful, to be truthful. I'd like to get those people in the same room. And that's my goal. And that's something that I'm hopefully going to be able to achieve. I'd like to get a far right person with a far left person. And let's just sit down microphones or not cameras or not. And let's hash it out. Because we're all Americans. We all love this country, I hope. And we all have opinions. Yeah. So there's nothing wrong with talking to other people. You want to label this, you want to label that that's fine. But when you say that, I won't be seen in the same room or I won't have a conversation with this person or that person. You're not doing anything to forward. Our democracy, our freedom, our rights, our country, our culture. You're doing nothing. You know, you're a loser. There, stop being a loser. Talk to people talk to people who disagree with, you know what I mean?

Chuck Shute: 55:06

Ya know, I've listened to several of your interviews, I listened to the one with Mark Kelly and I thought you did a good job on that one. And and then you had the interview with Kerry lake. And then I think, didn't you say you got to take it down like 20 minutes later or something? Yeah, I got taken

Billy Harfosh: 55:19

down. Because Because why? I don't know. We weren't, she wasn't inciting violence. There was nothing going on. Why? Well, we all know why. Because big tech is a wing of the federal government. Because social media is a wing of this federal government, just like the pharmaceutical companies. Just like all of them, just like BlackRock?

Chuck Shute: 55:44

Yeah, they definitely have a, an interest. So what do you think? We talked for life? We talked, we talked for, right? What do you feel about? What's that?

Billy Harfosh: 55:53

I just said, when the federal government says, jump off a bridge, then these companies jump off a bridge.

Chuck Shute: 56:00

Right? They definitely have a lot of power. But what what how do you feel about the more moderate people like RFK? I mean, he's running as an independent. Now, I feel like some people say, they say, Oh, he's just he's a Democrat. He's, he's he's far left on like, I feel like he is pretty moderate. What is your take on him? I'm sure you've heard some interviews that he's done.

Billy Harfosh: 56:21

Well, number one, I do love his voice. I think it makes him sound like a badass. I got older voice. You know, I had people in the beginning, very high level political people saying, Ah, he'll never be able to gain any traction, because I can't even stand listening to him because of his voice. Well, I've got over his voice. I've listened to him enough. Number two, he seems like an old school politician. He seems like a guy that's not in it for himself. He seems like a guy that speaking his truth. Is he right on everything? Probably not. But he's speaking his truth. He seems like a legit legit guy. And he also seems like someone that the deep state attacks. And that makes you wonder why because maybe he's onto something about a lot of his vaccines and medical issues and environmental issues. And you know, that he almost got labeled like, right wing, in some ways, like right wing, or he was a little bit or he gets

Chuck Shute: 57:13

labeled, he gets labeled an anti Vaxxer, which he said repeatedly, he's not an anti Vaxxer. He is pro vaccine, he just would like better standards for the vaccines that we have to make sure that they are safe. And they meet the highest quality, which I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And I feel like he wants to raise the standards for a lot of things, not just the vaccines, but pharmaceuticals and, you know, safety with, you know, he talks about the radiation from cell phones, like I think people kind of don't want to talk about that, and they want to ignore that. But there could be some issues there, you know, and it's like, these are issues that he wants to talk about. And it's pretty ballsy, but I think it comes to me, it seems like it comes from a place of love. Like he actually cares about people, and he wants people to be safe. I don't think he's in it for the money. I don't know how much money is involved in that in fighting companies. And making these claims, it's probably to me, it's more of a risk. So I don't know, he seems like a stand up guy. I don't know, maybe there's something I'm missing. I don't know everything about him. I don't know his whole life story. But the interviews I've watched, it seems like he really cares about people, and he wants to do the best for them. So yeah, like, it's 5% or so he's not gonna win. So

Billy Harfosh: 58:27

I agree with you, you got to ask yourself, why is he only pulling it whatever percent? You know, I know people that are around him. I know people that are friendly with him. And I think you're exactly like your read is right. I think he's not there for the money. He's not there for the fame. He's got the name all this stuff. And they label him right wing because of the vaccine talk. But they don't know that he's one of the biggest champions ever for environmental issues. So isn't that left wing? So what is now he, you know, he's independent.

Chuck Shute: 58:56

That's the thing that pisses me off, because I just feel like there's so many issues now that, that I don't like talking politics, but I feel like this stuff is not even politics. You know, like, the environment should not we should all be on a better environment, we should all want better vaccines. We used to all want border security. I mean, I watched videos in the last two days, I saw Obama and Biden talking about how important border security was. And now they don't want to border I mean, it's just it's bizarre that these are partisan issues. When I feel like these are things that us we used to all not want to be at war to. I felt like that was a thing. Like nobody wanted to go to war. I mean, that was like, that was something I thought we were usually all in agreement on unless there was something that I mean, you know, obviously like World War Two, like you kind of had to, but I mean, now it just seems like these issues would become partisan. And it's it's no,

Billy Harfosh: 59:47

you're right. You're exactly right. And I'll tell you what, I don't know the exact number. I don't have it in front of me. But if you look at recent polls, the majority of Americans do not want another Joe Biden presidency and they do not want In another Donald Trump presidency, there's a large percentage it's gonna happen. So my question is a simple one, then why isn't Kennedy getting more traction as someone as an alternative? I don't have the answer to that. I know the two party system, I know the two parties are powerful. I know that, you know, the funding and the money and he can't get on the debate stage and etc, etc. But if the country truly doesn't want Biden, and they don't want Trump, well, there's another guy out there with an alternate view, who happens to have the most famous last name in American history. Now, that does not give me hope for independence. Yeah, there's a guy out there that is, he's astute. He's smart. He knows all the right players. He obviously has a incredible family story, the whole thing. He's a strong, you know, you saw him with his shirt off and Venice Beach. He's, uh, he's got an incredible way about him. Yet he can't even get real traction to be a legitimate contender in this election, when the majority of the country doesn't want Trump and doesn't want Biden.

Chuck Shute: 1:01:08

Well, yeah. And I heard a rumor, I don't know if it's, this is just a rumor, don't don't flag me for misinformation. But I saw some article that it was again, it was I think it was a rumor that Tulsi Gabbard might hit there was talk of her possibly teaming up with RFK Jr. Again, I'm not saying it's going to happen. But what would you think of that ticket, because then that gives him even a little bit more. You know, like, she's got the name. She was a Democrat, she also left because she felt like the Democratic Party was going too far left. So she, it seems to me like they both left the Democrat Party because they felt like it was too far left. They didn't join the Republicans. So they're, in my opinion, they, they both seem to be pretty moderate. And I feel like that's what a majority of Americans are is moderate, most are not far right. Most are not far left. So do you think that ticket would sell to America? I

Billy Harfosh: 1:01:59

really like her. I had a chance to talk to her and meet her. She was actually out here campaigning for Kerry Lake, believe it or not, way back when?

Chuck Shute: 1:02:08

Interesting, I did not know that. Yeah,

Billy Harfosh: 1:02:11

this is what I would say. If I was hurt, and I was RFK, I would do that I would do it. Now I would make a splash. Because I don't know if Joe Biden and or Donald Trump is going to make it to the finish line here. I don't know, I'm not sure that Biden's even gonna run. I'm not sure that Trump is even going to run. I don't know, there's a lot that could happen medically, legally or otherwise with both of these men. So if I'm sitting out there, and I'm a third party candidate right now, and I've got potential to add a woman to my ticket that's well respected that has an alternate view on things. That's very well spoken, charismatic. She got in a debate with Kamala Harris, can you imagine what would happen? Come on, it would be a bloodbath. Well,

Chuck Shute: 1:03:02

I saw that she was in the Democratic debates four years ago. And I felt like right, I thought she won that whole thing. I don't know why she wasn't the candidate over Biden. I don't even know if she was in the top five. But I thought she did very well. She was very well spoken and didn't didn't fly off the handle, which I really wish she felt she seemed very calm, and collected. And, and beautiful to me, if

Billy Harfosh: 1:03:24

I might have like that little woman streak in her hair. Everything

Chuck Shute: 1:03:28

she said made sense to me. I was like, she's speaking very logically and calmly and rationally. This is what we need. And I mean, again, and I feel like the issues in America go beyond politics, because I don't know that change in the President is really going to make all that big of a difference. I mean, it definitely couldn't hurt to have somebody more moderate in the White House. But I feel like it just goes deeper that, you know, just like I said before, about the family breakdown, and just people just don't give a shit. And they're just barely scraping to get by. And I feel like people just lost their purpose. I mean, do you

Billy Harfosh: 1:04:01

think let me ask you this since we're, what is it? January 2024? Yeah, really? 2024? Let's call it do you think let's get a prediction here. Do you think when it's all said and done in the general election, it's going to be Trump V. Biden.

Chuck Shute: 1:04:17

That's a tough one. I just don't know. I don't I don't I don't predict that. I think that the Democrats do not want do not think Biden can win. And I think that they're going to find a way to get either put Trump in jail or deport him or I don't know, I don't know what they're gonna do. But they're really trying to prop up Nikki Haley. She's getting a lot of special special interest money she she should have been out of this race, but there's a lot of people that want her to win. So they continue to fund her campaign and you can do your own research and look into the ties of that, but I think that they really want her and she may she may run as a Democrat. I mean, there's a lot of talk about that. I mean, A lot of things can happen. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, if we'll even have an election, what happens if we go to war or there's a civil war? I mean, there's so many crazy things that five years ago, I would have told you, you're crazy a civil war, like what another world war, you know, you're crazy. But now, I don't know. Anything's possible. I feel like and, you know, I used to promote a charity at the end of every episode that I do, I stopped doing that, because I'm like, I think people need to save their money. I feel like, you should not be giving any money to charity. I mean, let's

Billy Harfosh: 1:05:34

be your own charity. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 1:05:36

I mean, I feel like people need to prepare and take care of themselves. Like we're hurting right now. As Americans, I don't think we should be sending money to other countries. I think we need to fix ourselves as a country first, and and get our shit together. And then we should go out and help the world. Yes, absolutely. But, boy, you know, so I don't know. I mean, it's hard to say it literally anything could happen in the next 11 1011 months or whatever. I mean, what what is your prediction, though, you follow this stuff more than me.

Billy Harfosh: 1:06:06

My prediction is, it never ends up being the way it seems to be this far out. So there, I, you know, there's gonna be some sort of changes, it's gonna happen. It's could be legal with Trump, it could be Biden decides to spend more time with his grandkids, and he steps down. I just, this is the one this is here's the one thing, say what you want about either party. But let's look at the Democratic Party really quick. And this is a nuanced point that nobody wants to bring up. Joe Biden would be 86, the last year of his second term, 86. Okay. We've all seen what he is. Now. We've all seen him going up and downstairs, off the stage is ability to speak. I'm not trying to make fun here. But we've all I think even the most ardent strong Democrat admits that, look, there's some some issues there cognitively. Okay. 86, in his second term, if I can tell you that he will not make it through his second term. And they already know that he probably won't make it through a second term, because I'll probably have to step down due to whatever reasons, there is no way the Democrat party is going to allow the insertion of Kamala Harris, because that is a killer to their brand. They don't like her. They don't trust her. She hasn't passed any of the tests. That's why she's not in charge with much. That's why she doesn't give huge national speeches anymore, because she's a dud, because she's terrible. And in private, the Democrats on the highest of levels will admit that. So there's no way they can allow her to be president because it'll kill their brand. So if they can't allow that, and they can't Oh, and they know that Biden won't make it through his second term, then how can they allow him to run? The only way is two things, you don't allow him to run, and you prop up Gavin Newsom, or Michelle Obama or somebody else, or you get rid of Harris, and you make him have a different Vice President. That's not going to happen. So just going off that, I don't think there's any way he can actually run with her, because he's not making it through a second term. He's just not. Yeah, that's where I'm at. That's where I'm at. And these are,

Chuck Shute: 1:08:31

again, you look at the polling numbers, I think it's like 35% or something. I mean, it's basically almost a rant I can be again, don't flag me for misinformation. Maybe it's 37% Last I saw it was around a third only a third of the country approves of the job he's doing so Chuck, even John The Kratz don't want him I don't think even Democrats really wanted him in the first place. I was just propping him up.

Billy Harfosh: 1:08:55

How old is he? Do you have Google? He's 81. Now, right?

Chuck Shute: 1:08:58

Yeah, let me google it. I think it's Trump, like two or three years younger. It's not that much of a difference. Not

Billy Harfosh: 1:09:04

that much younger, but we can all agree that more energetic than he's a little more energetic, but look, look, just tell me how old he is. He's 81. Eyebrow is

Chuck Shute: 1:09:14

81. You are correct. November 20 1942. So he's gonna add to this November. So if he took office, in January of next year, he would be 82 for the beginning of his second term. So your right will

Billy Harfosh: 1:09:27

be six years old. The last year of his second term? Yeah, we're looking at 81 Joe Biden. He'll be 80 Don't piss me off here. Chuck. Enough for the approval ratings. 86. He's 81. We know what that looks like. Okay, we're holding on what we're holding on for dear life here. 86 years old. You really think the donors, the high level players in that party. Trust him at 86 to be the prime isn't in the United States with that kind of schedule? And the kind of mental capacity and physical and motivation and capacity that takes 86? We know what 81 looks like, Chuck. Yeah, there's no way they think he can do that. There's no way

Chuck Shute: 1:10:21

why does it piss you off on a ramp the approval rate?

Billy Harfosh: 1:10:24

Because everybody does that, Oh, it's this approval that I'm not saying he can't get elected. I'm just saying you got to think no. Further, the people that are in charge the puppet masters, the elites, the Illuminati, they know he can't govern at 86. So what is their plan? Yeah. Well, I just say we govern at 81.

Chuck Shute: 1:10:44

But the approval rating doesn't make sense. I mean, they're say I just came out today, I just Googled this Gallup Gallup Poll Biden's third year job approval, average of 39.8% is the second worst. The worst was Jimmy Carter.

Billy Harfosh: 1:10:59

But that guy with 91 felonies, he can still win. He's running against Trump, half the country hates him, right, you can still win. My point is if they get this guy and they prop him out there, and they shoot him with adrenaline, and they get him through another campaign. And they hide them in his basement in Delaware. He's our president. He's 86 years old in the fourth term, what happens if we have a national disaster? What happens if we have a war? What happens if we really need a president to step up working 24/7 making important decisions? The end of the day, the President still has a lot of power in this country, you're gonna have an 86 year old Joe Biden, there's no way the smart people, the money people, the elites and the Democrat party really believe he can do that job. So either they're asleep at the wheel, he's asleep at the wheel, or they have a plan?

Chuck Shute: 1:11:48

Yeah, no, it's definitely food for thought for sure. What's interesting to me is like, um, you know, I interview a lot of musicians and, you know, reminds me of like concerts and music, if we can diverge this for a second, because a lot of bands now are being exposed for using tape at concerts, you know, and they're pre recording music. And then it turns out that they're not really singing live, or they're not really playing their instruments. And I think this has been very common for a long time. But because of social media, and cameras are recording everywhere. And podcasts and YouTube and people talking about it. All this stuff has been exposed. And I feel like that's the same with politics, kind of like what I was saying earlier, just the bribery thing that carry like tape. I think that stuff has been going on for years, but it's just being exposed and the curtain has been pulled back and you're seeing how the sausage is made. And I think people are disgusted, but I just I don't know what they're going to do about it. Because I think, like we said, I mean, I feel like if if most of the country doesn't want Trump versus Biden, then I feel like a candidate like Robert F. Kennedy would be much more popular, like people would be voting for that.

Billy Harfosh: 1:12:53

Well, that whole thing started by the way, when you started talking about musicians, it started with Ashley Simpson. Remember that? SNL? Yeah, she went, her track was playing. Oh, crap, this is live and she wasn't singing that was a terrible thing for Ashley. But you know, there's

Chuck Shute: 1:13:08

a lot of stuff like that there's a lot of stuff that's that you're seeing now, that's been going on for years that we just we didn't know about? We're like, what like, I mean, and there's probably a lot of like vegans and stuff that, you know, show you how it like, I mean, literally how the sausage is made. There's a lot of things like that, that you can you know, because I think aren't you vegetarian? Like there's a lot of stuff like that that goes on, but now you're seeing it with every no more facet of, of life, you know, and politics is a big one, when you're seeing how this stuff that is a good example, too, is the whole painkiller stuff. There's all these documentaries and shows being made. And the story in the Sackler family is what it was. They got sued. I mean, that's what's been going on. For years, they've been the drug companies have been paying off politicians and changing studies and stuff. And I mean, there's so many drugs that have been so hurtful, but it's like, they just do the math, and it's a math problem. Okay. This many people are going to die. And we could settle this for lawsuits. We'll still make 6 billion. Do it. Yeah, we'll lose a few lives. That's fine. You know, I mean, number Fen Phen? You remember that drug. It was like a weight loss drug and it started killing people. And they took it off. They knew that it was danger, they knew that it was going to kill somebody, but they still said, Well, we can make this much money. And I don't have any proof of this. But I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised. I won't be shocked if in five years, 10 years ozempic is suddenly Oh, you know, there's a problem with this drug. It causes cancer, what whatever, like, you know, because it's just so common, these a lot of these pharmaceutical drugs. And that's what I like about RFK is he's exposing this shit. And he's pulling back the curtain and saying like, look at all the the corruption and the greed that's going on and this is wrong and this is hurting Americans, or at least let's be more transparent and say, okay, you know, So, here's if you want to take ozempic, you have a point zero 1% chance of death or, or this side effect or whatever, like, and if you as long as you're aware of that, that it's your choice, but I think they're trying to like No, no, this is this is 100% Save. It's totally fine. Oh, no, that side effect. Oh, that'd be like really, really rare, super, extremely rare, that probably won't happen to you. And there, it's dishonest?

Billy Harfosh: 1:15:25

Well, if you just look at what percentage of ad sales are attributed to pharmaceutical companies on mainstream media, and especially television, Fox News, CNN, NBC, all of those, it's it's pharmaceutical companies that are paying these guys and gals salaries. But just going into what you're saying? I think it's it is it's the phones, it's the social media, everything is being exposed now. And I think that's one of the good things is social media and the internet, we're able to see as normal citizens of this country, what's really happening a little bit more. And, you know, it's a litmus test. And you asked about RFK. Why wouldn't they want a guy like that? I wonder they meaning the elites. Why? Because they can't control him. Because he knows the elites. He knows how the game is played. He's been in those back rooms. So maybe they would rather have somebody like, and I'll go back to it. I don't know if you're afraid to get pulled down on YouTube. But you listen, YouTube, Google, they know the age, maybe they'd rather have a 8485 86 year old Joe Biden that they can control. Maybe that's the reason they want to keep them in there. I don't know what the reason is, I just know that we have a country, a beautiful country with very intelligent people, hundreds of millions of people. And you can't tell me that it's going to come down to someone with 91 felonies, and a really old guy that can barely put a sentence together. There's gotta be somebody else. I mean, I'm sorry. There's got to be somebody else.

Chuck Shute: 1:16:54

Well, I guess we'll see. But yeah, it's interesting. I'm sure you're gonna be doing a lot of interviews and talking about this a lot. So you have your show, show up Arizona. And then you said, is there another show you're launching.

Billy Harfosh: 1:17:07

So I am going to give you the exclusive here, Chuck. So I am launching a new show. We're launching a new show, I have a co host. I can't go into the the name right now or into the format or too much. But I can tell you my co host is Angela Ferrari, a lot of you probably know, musician. She's a Yep, she's a musician. She's an incredible talent. She's an incredible musician. I've also gotten to learn after filming two episodes with her that she's an intellectual. She's very deep spiritual woman. She's really a beautiful soul and a kind soul. And really, really intelligent. And she's a lot of things that I'm not. And it's a perfect back and forth to do a show. We got a lot of great guests lined up and this show is going to go very, very deep. It's not going to be politically driven. It's not gonna be celebrity driven. It's going to be about saying the quiet things out loud, the elephant in the room, and we're not going to hold back and we're doing it independently and we're excited to get going and let me tell you those of my your audience that don't know her you can find her on Instagram. It's it's at Angela Ferrari Ferrari like the car. And this girl is a rockstar. This woman is a strong, powerful woman and I'm so excited to partner with her. We've already like I said, we've already filmed two episodes and we're gonna bring something a little bit different to the game. So stay tuned. Okay,

Chuck Shute: 1:18:38

I'm excited for that. Can you say who any of the guests are?

Billy Harfosh: 1:18:41

Well, we I can't yet the q&a Shaman will be on Okay, I will say that hopefully in all his shaman garb. We've got people from both sides and we're gonna have you know, we're gonna have political people and not necessarily talk politics. Who are you as a woman who are you as a man? We're gonna have musicians on and not necessarily talk music we're gonna get into some some serious deep issues we're going to have a priest on we're going to have psychics mediums on it's going to be quite the eclectic crew. But I think we're gonna get to some some real conversations and start to talk about the reason we're on the spinning rock you know, floating through the universe and try to cut out all the bullshit you know,

Chuck Shute: 1:19:27

I love it that sounds right up my alley. It sounds like something that would be a fan of similar to what I try to do here same kind of thing you know, I have musicians on I talk music but I asked them other things about life and success and their you know, the purpose that's a big thing for me I just feel like that's such a a if we can all have that that's something that I feel like as an American I used to be an American values that you you had this dream and this vision for your life and and hopefully it made the world a better place and I feel like we're losing that and I don't know that changing the President's really gonna do all that much to fix that? I feel like that's something that we've got to promote through this kind of stuff, social media podcasts and have these conversations with people and get it out there to the world. So I don't know. It's tough. I

Billy Harfosh: 1:20:13

think you you should I watched your show, listen, your show and I know you do a lot of musician interviews, you do such a great job. You should also dabble continue to dabble in politics, because you ask very intelligent questions, you ask questions that I feel like the audience wants to know about instead of just asking the cliche thing. And the one thing that I just wanted to say this and I know we're wrapping up here, but one thing that I hate is indifference. I hate people that are just indifferent to everything. I think, you know, I mean, people if you're not interested in politics, that's fine. But are you interested in your bank account? Are you interested in women's rights? Are you interested in securing our border? Are you interested in the potholes outside your apartment that are that are screwing up your your axle on your car? Well, that comes down to politics ultimately, right? So don't be indifferent to it. Educate yourself and I think you do a good job asking the right questions. And just don't be indifferent in life. Like wake up. I get people they tell me. I'm so bored. I'm just sitting there on my phone on tic TOCs when you're bored, go take a walk outside, go have a conversation. Buy yourself a cup of coffee. Go do a kind deed do something. Everyone is just fat and happy on their couch watching Netflix while scrolling through tick tock. I'm sick of it. You got one life to live. This is the one chance you got one roll the dice. Get your shit together, man. I mean, come on. We're all like I said in the beginning. We're all gonna die. That's all I know. Taxes and death. It's gonna happen. So like, wake up? Wake up. Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 1:21:44

I love it. Let's end on that. That's, that's perfect. Yeah, get out there and, and live your life and do what you what you feel is important. And if you don't know what that is, then do your research and start learning about what's interesting. You know, if you're wondering about things like why do things do this way, you know, what is BlackRock and what, start looking it up and doing your own research and figuring it out. Listen to some of my podcasts, you'll learn a lot, talking about a lot of different things. So thank you so much for doing this. Billy. I look forward to more episodes of show up Arizona and then more of this new show doesn't have a title.

Billy Harfosh: 1:22:21

It does have a title but we can't say it. Yeah, just watch Angela Ferrari on Instagram, Billy Hart fosh on Instagram, everywhere else, and it's gonna be released

Chuck Shute: 1:22:28

very soon. Okay, cool. Well, thanks so much for doing this. I appreciate it. Thank you, Jeff. Thank you for taking the time to listen to the full podcast episode. Please help support our guests by following them on social media and purchasing their products whether it be a book, album, film, or other thing. And if you have a few extra dollars, please consider donating it to their favorite charity. If you want to support the show, you can like share and comment on this episode on social media and YouTube. And if you want to go the extra mile, you can give us a rating and review on Spotify, Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. Finally, make sure you're subscribed to the Show on YouTube for the video versions and other exclusive content. We appreciate your support. Have a great rest of your day and shoot for the moon.